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2014-03-24 04:19:47 PM
I have no idea what this headline or TFA headline means.
 
2014-03-24 04:34:39 PM

DamnYankees: I have no idea what this headline or TFA headline means.


Apparently you're not elite enough to recognize how insightful both headlines are.

/had to RTFA to figure it out
//Dems in trouble
///three shall be the slashies good, the pestle with no slashies has the gristle that is fissile
 
2014-03-24 05:16:46 PM
According to Pew, the public actually favors Keystone by better than two-to-one

Maybe they're buying the inflated jobs numbers being presented by the energy industry?
 
2014-03-24 05:25:32 PM

fusillade762: According to Pew, the public actually favors Keystone by better than two-to-one

Maybe they're buying the inflated jobs numbers being presented by the energy industry?


It's nearly impossible to be for the pipeline if you know what it's actually mean to do unless you're working for and/or own stock in the companies directly involved in its construction and operation.
 
2014-03-24 05:29:11 PM
FTFA: "According to Pew, the public actually favors Keystone by better than two-to-one, with opposition concentrated among graduate degree holding Democrats, and Democrats with household incomes north of $100,000. In contrast to high-end Democrats, working class Democrats support Keystone-regardless of race."

How many, who came down on either side, actually know what the pipeline is or will be used for?

On top of that, how many know that we've had not one, not two, but three large oil pipeline leaks (that I've heard of, at least, there may be far more) in the past year.

But yeah, pipelines are totally safe for people and the environment, no worries.
 
2014-03-24 05:29:28 PM

fusillade762: According to Pew, the public actually favors Keystone by better than two-to-one

Maybe they're buying the inflated jobs numbers being presented by the energy industry?


Yes, I'm sure that a company with experience in polling is just reusing someone else's numbers.
 
2014-03-24 05:41:51 PM

WelldeadLink: fusillade762: According to Pew, the public actually favors Keystone by better than two-to-one

Maybe they're buying the inflated jobs numbers being presented by the energy industry?

Yes, I'm sure that a company with experience in polling is just reusing someone else's numbers.


Are you suggesting the polling questions are including the number of jobs the pipeline may create?
 
2014-03-24 05:51:50 PM

DamnYankees: I have no idea what this headline or TFA headline means.


I'm not even sure what TFA means... It's something that they could have expressed in a single paragraph about the Democrats losing some support I think.

Oh, and natural gas, or something.
 
2014-03-24 05:54:04 PM

nmrsnr: FTFA: "According to Pew, the public actually favors Keystone by better than two-to-one, with opposition concentrated among graduate degree holding Democrats, and Democrats with household incomes north of $100,000. In contrast to high-end Democrats, working class Democrats support Keystone-regardless of race."

How many, who came down on either side, actually know what the pipeline is or will be used for?

On top of that, how many know that we've had not one, not two, but three large oil pipeline leaks (that I've heard of, at least, there may be far more) in the past year.

But yeah, pipelines are totally safe for people and the environment, no worries.


d3819ii77zvwic.cloudfront.net

All of the above.....
 
2014-03-24 05:54:10 PM

fusillade762: According to Pew, the public actually favors Keystone by better than two-to-one

Maybe they're buying the inflated jobs numbers being presented by the energy industry?


I see my job's done here.
 
2014-03-24 05:54:42 PM
Once again, this is Obama's opportunity to say "I will veto the Keystone pipeline unless Congressional Republicans agree to an increase in taxes on those making more than $250K a year, restoration of cuts to the SNAP program, and extended unemployment benefits." Don't give it away, make them earn it.
 
2014-03-24 05:57:14 PM

ScaryBottles: nmrsnr: FTFA: "According to Pew, the public actually favors Keystone by better than two-to-one, with opposition concentrated among graduate degree holding Democrats, and Democrats with household incomes north of $100,000. In contrast to high-end Democrats, working class Democrats support Keystone-regardless of race."

How many, who came down on either side, actually know what the pipeline is or will be used for?

On top of that, how many know that we've had not one, not two, but three large oil pipeline leaks (that I've heard of, at least, there may be far more) in the past year.

But yeah, pipelines are totally safe for people and the environment, no worries.

[d3819ii77zvwic.cloudfront.net image 850x472]

All of the above.....


But all kidding aside, is it just me or does this farking douchefactory look like the bass player for the shiaittiest Ramones cover band like ever?
 
2014-03-24 06:57:33 PM

nmrsnr: On top of that, how many know that we've had not one, not two, but three large oil pipeline leaks (that I've heard of, at least, there may be far more) in the past year.

But yeah, pipelines are totally safe for people and the environment, no worries.


People don't give a shiat if there's an oil leak.  They say they do, but they really don't.  Most people would personally wipe out an endangered species with their bare hands if you gave them $10,000 to do it.

People want jobs.  If there's an accident, or some aquifer is ruined, at least the mess will create a few cleanup jobs.
 
2014-03-24 06:59:16 PM
I find it amusing that every commenter so far is exhibiting the kind of behavior outlined in the article.
 
2014-03-24 07:01:21 PM

clambam: Once again, this is Obama's opportunity to say "I will veto the Keystone pipeline unless Congressional Republicans agree to an increase in taxes on those making more than $250K a year, restoration of cuts to the SNAP program, and extended unemployment benefits." Don't give it away, make them earn it.


That makes no sense politically.  Opposing Keystone is on the wrong side of public opinion.  That is exactly the sort of issue you want to retire swiftly and quietly, rather than allow opponents to use it continually against you.
 
2014-03-24 07:16:55 PM

Captain Dan: That is exactly the sort of issue you want to retire swiftly and quietly, rather than allow opponents to use it continually against you.


Or he could try educating people to the fact that it will not create the half a million jobs big oil claims.
 
2014-03-24 07:27:25 PM

Witty_Retort: Or he could try educating people to the fact that it will not create the half a million jobs big oil claims.


Which they'd regard as propaganda from an untrustworthy source (a politician).
 
2014-03-24 07:36:36 PM

Captain Dan: Witty_Retort: Or he could try educating people to the fact that it will not create the half a million jobs big oil claims.

Which they'd regard as propaganda from an untrustworthy source (a politician).


Yes. Big Business is so much more trustworthy.
 
2014-03-24 07:40:00 PM

Captain Dan: clambam: Once again, this is Obama's opportunity to say "I will veto the Keystone pipeline unless Congressional Republicans agree to an increase in taxes on those making more than $250K a year, restoration of cuts to the SNAP program, and extended unemployment benefits." Don't give it away, make them earn it.

That makes no sense politically.  Opposing Keystone is on the wrong side of public opinion.  That is exactly the sort of issue you want to retire swiftly and quietly, rather than allow opponents to use it continually against you.


If by public opinion you mean gobbledygook in an article published by a group of known shills quoting questionable polling results from a group started by this guy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Kohut

Whom I have no doubt you see as a credible source but most of the rest of us would still look up if he told us the sun was shining. Also not for nothin' but concern trolling is soooooo 2008.....
 
2014-03-24 07:58:38 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: fusillade762: According to Pew, the public actually favors Keystone by better than two-to-one

Maybe they're buying the inflated jobs numbers being presented by the energy industry?

It's nearly impossible to be for the pipeline if you know what it's actually mean to do unless you're working for and/or own stock in the companies directly involved in its construction and operation.


Otoh, if I didn't care whether it was put in I think I would be for it. Similarly I don't care about the new business moving in downtown so my default is to say go for it: open that store i will never visit.


Yea there are reasons people SHOULD care, but we know plenty won't.
 
2014-03-24 09:57:36 PM
yea,


the "liberal" media owned by conservative big business media conglomerates.


makes sense.   sounds reasonable.
 
2014-03-24 10:39:57 PM

Captain Dan: nmrsnr: On top of that, how many know that we've had not one, not two, but three large oil pipeline leaks (that I've heard of, at least, there may be far more) in the past year.

But yeah, pipelines are totally safe for people and the environment, no worries.

People don't give a shiat if there's an oil leak.  They say they do, but they really don't.  Most people would personally wipe out an endangered species with their bare hands if you gave them $10,000 to do it.

People want jobs.  If there's an accident, or some aquifer is ruined, at least the mess will create a few cleanup jobs. usually pollute  some-one else's water.



FTFY
 
2014-03-24 11:25:47 PM

Captain Dan: clambam: Once again, this is Obama's opportunity to say "I will veto the Keystone pipeline unless Congressional Republicans agree to an increase in taxes on those making more than $250K a year, restoration of cuts to the SNAP program, and extended unemployment benefits." Don't give it away, make them earn it.

That makes no sense politically.  Opposing Keystone is on the wrong side of public opinion.  That is exactly the sort of issue you want to retire swiftly and quietly, rather than allow opponents to use it continually against you.


Doesn't matter. The Republicans are practically jizzing themselves at the thought of the pipeline. If they really want it, make 'em pay for it. Political blackmail? Sure, why not, so long as something beneficial comes out of it.
 
2014-03-25 12:12:19 AM
...the fark is "green gentry liberalism"?

If you're going to introduce a made-up term in the dek and use it again in the lede, you better define it by the 3rd graf or I'm leaving.
 
2014-03-25 12:21:31 AM

ScaryBottles: Captain Dan: clambam: Once again, this is Obama's opportunity to say "I will veto the Keystone pipeline unless Congressional Republicans agree to an increase in taxes on those making more than $250K a year, restoration of cuts to the SNAP program, and extended unemployment benefits." Don't give it away, make them earn it.

That makes no sense politically.  Opposing Keystone is on the wrong side of public opinion.  That is exactly the sort of issue you want to retire swiftly and quietly, rather than allow opponents to use it continually against you.

If by public opinion you mean gobbledygook in an article published by a group of known shills quoting questionable polling results from a group started by this guy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Kohut

Whom I have no doubt you see as a credible source but most of the rest of us would still look up if he told us the sun was shining. Also not for nothin' but concern trolling is soooooo 2008.....


really? Your argument is to muddy Pew? Other than the allegations that political polls a few years ago were skewed in favor of Democrats, what do you have to back that up?
 
2014-03-25 01:07:59 AM

ScaryBottles: nmrsnr: FTFA: "According to Pew, the public actually favors Keystone by better than two-to-one, with opposition concentrated among graduate degree holding Democrats, and Democrats with household incomes north of $100,000. In contrast to high-end Democrats, working class Democrats support Keystone-regardless of race."

How many, who came down on either side, actually know what the pipeline is or will be used for?

On top of that, how many know that we've had not one, not two, but three large oil pipeline leaks (that I've heard of, at least, there may be far more) in the past year.

But yeah, pipelines are totally safe for people and the environment, no worries.

[d3819ii77zvwic.cloudfront.net image 850x472]

All of the above.....


I thought that commercial was weird. If the GOP is all of the above energy solutions, then why did Romney come out and say that Green Energy was not worth the effort?

http://www.motherearthnews.com/renewable-energy/obama-romney-energy- zw fz1209zhun.aspx#axzz2wwpvrnpc 

HOLY shiat. A little google search and.... "Mocked Obama's "all of the above" energy strategy, saying what Obama really meant is that he supports only energy sources that come from above ground: "So he's for solar and wind, but he doesn't like coal, oil, and gas because they're below the ground. Now we understand Obama-speak a little better."

Wow. Just. Wow. The GOP waits a few years then steals good Democrat ideas and say it's their own. When can we be rid of this shiat bags?
 
2014-03-25 01:39:53 AM
I'm surprised that article didn't mention Benghazi.
 
2014-03-25 03:12:35 AM
Attorney Lloyd Green was the opposition research counsel to the George H.W. Bush campaign in 1988, and served in the Department of Justice between 1990 and 1992.

Here's his Fox archives

http://www.foxnews.com/archive/lloyd-green/index.html 

Yes, his concerns seem totally legit.

Still have no idea what the fark Downton Abbey has to do with any of it, unless it was some lame-ass attempt to brand libruls as "elite".

I'm sure Mr. Green would have absolutely NO problem with the government taking his land by eminent domain, so a Canadian oil company can sell it's dirty oil to China.
 
2014-03-25 03:55:14 AM

nmrsnr: But yeah, pipelines are totally safe for people


"Hasn't happened to me, so it won't happen!"

nmrsnr:and the environment, no worries.

"Who cares about that?"
 
2014-03-25 05:25:59 AM
It took me a minute or two to realize that the author is plugging a book by Fred Siegel, and may even have read it recently. The article is a book report.
 
2014-03-25 05:38:02 AM
FTFA:It's not that the Democrats don't know that they have a problem with the non-government employee middle class, but it's just that they really are not bothered by it.   As the framed the issue, "many in the party pay so little attention to white working-class men that it suggests they have effectively given up on converting them."

Bolded the point I want to make.  These white working class mentioned have been voting tea party.  When someone demonstrates that level of stupidity, there is no saving them.
We could just approve the pipeline and let the water be spoiled, that is what the tea party types want.  We could export our oil and thus raise the price overall, that is also what they want.  Maybe we should let the political karma catch up with them.
 
2014-03-25 06:01:13 AM

ScaryBottles: nmrsnr: FTFA: "According to Pew, the public actually favors Keystone by better than two-to-one, with opposition concentrated among graduate degree holding Democrats, and Democrats with household incomes north of $100,000. In contrast to high-end Democrats, working class Democrats support Keystone-regardless of race."

How many, who came down on either side, actually know what the pipeline is or will be used for?

On top of that, how many know that we've had not one, not two, but three large oil pipeline leaks (that I've heard of, at least, there may be far more) in the past year.

But yeah, pipelines are totally safe for people and the environment, no worries.

[d3819ii77zvwic.cloudfront.net image 850x472]

All of the above.....


I have no idea who that is, but since he looks like one of the most punchable douche-faces on the planet, i'm giing it an 80;20 chance he's a republican of some sort.
 
2014-03-25 10:15:31 AM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: fusillade762: According to Pew, the public actually favors Keystone by better than two-to-one

Maybe they're buying the inflated jobs numbers being presented by the energy industry?

It's nearly impossible to be for the pipeline if you know what it's actually mean to do unless you're working for and/or own stock in the companies directly involved in its construction and operation.


Personally I'm of the opinion that this pipeline's inevitably going to spill gallons of oil into the areas it runs through and that's really my issue. I kinda don't care if people are making money (well, so long as the public benefits from the extraction of natural resources found on public land)- not that I really expect the energy companies to not try to dick over the public in that regard too.
 
2014-03-25 01:05:05 PM

fusillade762: WelldeadLink: fusillade762: According to Pew, the public actually favors Keystone by better than two-to-one

Maybe they're buying the inflated jobs numbers being presented by the energy industry?

Yes, I'm sure that a company with experience in polling is just reusing someone else's numbers.

Are you suggesting the polling questions are including the number of jobs the pipeline may create?


TFA doesn't mention Keystone job numbers. That's your speculation about the Pew methods.
 
2014-03-26 03:20:55 AM

Smoking GNU: ScaryBottles: nmrsnr: FTFA: "According to Pew, the public actually favors Keystone by better than two-to-one, with opposition concentrated among graduate degree holding Democrats, and Democrats with household incomes north of $100,000. In contrast to high-end Democrats, working class Democrats support Keystone-regardless of race."

How many, who came down on either side, actually know what the pipeline is or will be used for?

On top of that, how many know that we've had not one, not two, but three large oil pipeline leaks (that I've heard of, at least, there may be far more) in the past year.

But yeah, pipelines are totally safe for people and the environment, no worries.

[d3819ii77zvwic.cloudfront.net image 850x472]

All of the above.....

I have no idea who that is, but since he looks like one of the most punchable douche-faces on the planet, i'm giing it an 80;20 chance he's a republican of some sort.


He's the star of a recent pro-Republican ad, apparently.  Trying to reach the young voters, badly.
 
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