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(The Raw Story)   The same Phoenix pastor who once got a lil' visit from the Secret Service after saying he "prayed every day for the death of Obama" is now demanding that women not so much as utter an "Amen" in his Church, because the Bible   (rawstory.com) divider line 57
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2014-03-24 05:46:56 PM
10 votes:
I'm convinced that most people find exactly the god that they want to worship. This man was looking for one that was as small and evil-minded has he is and, surprise!, that's exactly the sort of god he found.
2014-03-24 07:26:21 PM
8 votes:
i939.photobucket.com
2014-03-24 05:47:42 PM
8 votes:
Hey, he's right, the Bible does say that.  So, ladies, if you want to follow this archaic fairy tale as your life's rulebook, shut your farking mouths and learn from your husbands.

Of course, if you're a sensible, intelligent person, then maybe, just maybe, you should think about what this religion you follow says and realize that it's outdated and unnecessary for living a good life.
2014-03-24 06:18:42 PM
6 votes:
I will bet any sum that this entire church is deeply concerned about Sharia Law.
2014-03-24 04:24:04 PM
6 votes:
This is what happens when you pay attention to silly people.
2014-03-24 04:10:40 PM
6 votes:
He sounds like a delightful human being in the mold of Fred Phelps
2014-03-24 06:39:19 PM
3 votes:
Did we learn nothing from Fred Phelps?

If this douchnozzle keeps getting attention he's only going to get worse. Don't feed the trolls is even better advice in real life than on the internet.
2014-03-24 05:21:18 PM
3 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: And yet people still follow him

/you can't fix stupid


If it helps, I'm pretty sure their "church" has about 20 members and they meet at what used to be a 5 Guys location (going by the shape of the sign).

lh3.googleusercontent.com

3/4s of their pictures don't even have people sitting in chairs. Everyone's sitting on the floor.
2014-03-24 04:24:41 PM
3 votes:
I cannot believe these clowns get sheep to herd. WTF is wrong with people?
2014-03-24 11:03:43 PM
2 votes:
i.imgur.com
2014-03-24 07:56:04 PM
2 votes:

vodka: You can't regulate stupidity when it doesn't affect anyone else.


I think once you start calling for the government to put millions of people to death, you've crossed into "affects someone else" territory.
2014-03-24 06:47:37 PM
2 votes:

cmb53208: Ah Arizona, America's Septic Tank


Don't judge the whole state by some shiathead who preaches in a strip mall.
2014-03-24 06:44:50 PM
2 votes:

scottydoesntknow: Holy shiat, his website is derp x 11.

Apparently he also feels that the government should systematically put all homosexuals to death.


Yeah. Like that's ever going to happen.

Fundies are as stupid as they are evil. The average population may put up with a lot of crap including NSA hijinks, but if they tried to "Handmaid's Tale" the USA? Oh man the streets would run with blood and torn pages from bibles.
2014-03-24 06:20:59 PM
2 votes:

Some 'Splainin' To Do: I'm convinced that most people find exactly the god that they want to worship. This man was looking for one that was as small and evil-minded has he is and, surprise!, that's exactly the sort of god he found.


Well, he is quoting directly out of the Bible, and there doesn't seem to be any controversy that the Bible actually says all that. Shouldn't the burden be on the other Christians to justify why they don't follow that part of the Bible?
2014-03-24 04:59:05 PM
2 votes:
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man

Why don't we ask Palin and Bachmann about that one?
2014-03-24 04:58:19 PM
2 votes:
And yet people still follow him

/you can't fix stupid
2014-03-25 04:40:14 AM
1 votes:

JammerJim: Far too many people to include here, so some will miss it, but for those of us who don't do the "biblical inerrancy" dance (and there are a lot of us, we just don't show up in the news because we're really kinda boring next to guys like Fred Phelps), its simple enough.

If you read Paul's letters there are several clearly written by him, some that might be, and others that aren't. In the genuine article, Paul is often clearly speaking very kindly of various women who look to be leaders or at least prominent in their local churches. The stuff about women keeping silent often pops up in non-Pauline letters and in Corinthians 1 it is believed by many to be a later insertion and not original, thus we can safely ignore it.

/yes we do pick and choose, because d-bags have been messing with the text for a long time.


Let's play Occam's Razor!

Either

 A: A benevolent, omnipotent, and omniscient deity who loves us very much and wants us to adhere to a certain way of life to be rewarded with a pleasant and unending afterlife inspired prophets to transcribe his word, and then later "d-bags" came in and "messed with the text"

Or

B: D-Bags wrote a book
2014-03-25 12:20:34 AM
1 votes:

JammerJim: jst3p: JammerJim: /yes we do pick and choose, because d-bags have been messing with the text for a long time.

So the Bible is the Word of God, scribed by man but inspired by God.

Except the parts that are inconvenient or you don't like. Those were "messed with".

You know how I know you don't know about historical-critical and textual analysis as applied to the Bible?


I don't know much about historical-critical and textual analysis as applied to Mother Goose either.
2014-03-24 11:52:07 PM
1 votes:

DmGdDawg: SirPeteTheGreat: According to the Bible (using NRSV here), when asked what the greatest commandment was, Jesus replied "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind." This is the greatest and first commandment." (Matthew 22:37-38)  He then went on to add a second commandment, without really being asked: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."  (39)

A quick reading of the Parable of the Good Samaritan shows that by "neighbor" Jesus pretty much meant "everyone."

Skip over to Paul, who tells the Corinthians that "love is not boastful or envious or arrogant or rude.  It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful." (1 Cor 13:4-5)

If we take those in concert, how in the bleepity bleeping bleep do we end up with this loony?

So loving your neighbor means everyone can do whatever he or she wants? If you believe the bible it's disingenuous to suggest that two general statements spliced together somehow trump an explicit statement. It may be politically incorrect, but the bible does indeed say exactly what he's teaching.

If you don't believe the bible then why are you concerned about what's going on in a church you don't go to? You can reject what he's teaching as silly, archaic, misguided or idiotic, but if you don't believe the bible and he does, why are you surprised that you don't agree on things?


Loving my neighbor does not mean letting them get away with anything.  It does mean I shouldn't be rude, it does mean I shouldn't picket their funerals, and it certainly does mean that I am to avoid incendiary language, hateful propaganda, and that sort of thing.

I believe the Bible holds some truths, and not a lot of facts.  The reason I am concerned about the viewpoints our preacher espouses is the possibility that some of that vitriol may get embodied in law if we aren't careful.  I don't want this country to turn into a "Christian" version of Afghanistan.

If I am feeding a troll, whatever.  The things I wrote are intended, whether the fellow who's fark name is unpronounceable is a troll or otherwise.
2014-03-24 11:06:05 PM
1 votes:

JammerJim: /yes we do pick and choose, because d-bags have been messing with the text for a long time.


So the Bible is the Word of God, scribed by man but inspired by God.

Except the parts that are inconvenient or you don't like. Those were "messed with".
2014-03-24 10:30:17 PM
1 votes:

JesseL: Did we learn nothing from Fred Phelps?

If this douchnozzle keeps getting attention he's only going to get worse. Don't feed the trolls is even better advice in real life than on the internet.


Actually I think the reverse is true

The more public spotlight on the idiot fringe of Christianity, the more people realize how dumb the religion actually is

Give them the rope to hang themselves with ....
2014-03-24 10:26:26 PM
1 votes:

atomic-age: flondrix: CheetahOlivetti: Oh, wow:
Because of years and years of looking at and touching scores of women inappropriately, the male gynecologist no doubt has a seared conscience and a perverted mind (I will not go into detail of what goes on in the doctor's office for decency's sake, but any woman who has been there knows what I am referring to.).  His view of women and the marital bed has certainly been warped by his indecent involvement with countless women.

He doesn't out-and-out say whether he approves of women becoming gynecologists, either.  Since that would involve them attending universities and working outside of the home, I'm going to guess "no".

Frankly, women's nether parts should never be shown in the light of day, to male or female. If a woman gets cervical cancer, it's just God's will.


i58.tinypic.com
2014-03-24 09:10:45 PM
1 votes:

SirPeteTheGreat: According to the Bible (using NRSV here), when asked what the greatest commandment was, Jesus replied "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind." This is the greatest and first commandment." (Matthew 22:37-38)  He then went on to add a second commandment, without really being asked: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."  (39)

A quick reading of the Parable of the Good Samaritan shows that by "neighbor" Jesus pretty much meant "everyone."

Skip over to Paul, who tells the Corinthians that "love is not boastful or envious or arrogant or rude.  It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful." (1 Cor 13:4-5)

If we take those in concert, how in the bleepity bleeping bleep do we end up with this loony?


So loving your neighbor means everyone can do whatever he or she wants? If you believe the bible it's disingenuous to suggest that two general statements spliced together somehow trump an explicit statement. It may be politically incorrect, but the bible does indeed say exactly what he's teaching.

If you don't believe the bible then why are you concerned about what's going on in a church you don't go to? You can reject what he's teaching as silly, archaic, misguided or idiotic, but if you don't believe the bible and he does, why are you surprised that you don't agree on things?
2014-03-24 08:44:36 PM
1 votes:
According to the Bible (using NRSV here), when asked what the greatest commandment was, Jesus replied "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind." This is the greatest and first commandment." (Matthew 22:37-38)  He then went on to add a second commandment, without really being asked: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."  (39)

A quick reading of the Parable of the Good Samaritan shows that by "neighbor" Jesus pretty much meant "everyone."

Skip over to Paul, who tells the Corinthians that "love is not boastful or envious or arrogant or rude.  It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful." (1 Cor 13:4-5)

If we take those in concert, how in the bleepity bleeping bleep do we end up with this loony?
2014-03-24 08:20:01 PM
1 votes:
No thanks...you all can have that religion all to yourselves!
2014-03-24 08:04:06 PM
1 votes:

atomic-age: That's the poorest excuse for journalism I've seen in some time. Also, the tender piano music that accompanies the border patrol video is a nice touch.


I like how the "author" referred to him as a civil rights activist.

And not, say, an attention whore or borderline soverign citizen.
2014-03-24 07:59:19 PM
1 votes:

ciberido: I think once you start calling for the government to put millions of people to death, you've crossed into "affects someone else" territory.


If the government starts listening to random pastors in some pissant church we have bigger problems
2014-03-24 07:58:02 PM
1 votes:
He's right, it says so very plainly in the bible.  According to the bible, women should know their place and be silent and submissive to men.

Also, this is one of about a thousand reasons why Christianity is dumb.
2014-03-24 07:54:14 PM
1 votes:
Someone needs to call him out for cutting his hair, because, you know, the Bible.
2014-03-24 07:53:52 PM
1 votes:

Dumski: NightOwl2255: Crap, now I'm conflicted. He's a douche, no doubt. But, he refused to "play ball" at an internal immigration checkpoint. He got a nice tasering and a beat down for standing up for his rights. I guess Hitler may have been nice to dogs.

OgreMagi:
I may think he's a total douche-nugget when it comes to religion and women's rights, but I have to agree with his stance when it comes to a border patrol checkpoint over a hundred miles from an actual border and using a drug sniffing dog to "tag" him.  Drug dogs do exactly what their handlers want them to do.  So of course they got a hit when he refused to let search his vehicle.

You have to remember that incident was in 2009. He has now had time to refine his priorities to be more specifically religiously bent. He's just maturing in his hatred. That's all.


Doesn't matter.  He was well within his rights to refuse to allow the Feds to violate his civil rights.  Being an asshole doesn't take away your Constitutional Rights.
2014-03-24 07:42:13 PM
1 votes:

ZeroPly: Some 'Splainin' To Do: I'm convinced that most people find exactly the god that they want to worship. This man was looking for one that was as small and evil-minded has he is and, surprise!, that's exactly the sort of god he found.

Well, he is quoting directly out of the Bible, and there doesn't seem to be any controversy that the Bible actually says all that. Shouldn't the burden be on the other Christians to justify why they don't follow that part of the Bible?


For the same reason most Christians eat meat with dairy and wear mixed fibers.  All Christians pick and choose which parts of the Bible to follow.  Sadly, a lot of Christians are too ignorant of the Bible to even know which parts they're ignoring.  The more well-read (in terms of reading the Bible and books about it) and less hypocritical ones at least admit it.

There's also a general belief among many Christians that they are permitted to disregard the Old Testament and only concern themselves about the New Testament.  Since the verse in question is from 1 Timothy (which is in the New Testament), however, it's not so simple as saying "We can ignore it because it's in the Old Testament."
2014-03-24 07:35:42 PM
1 votes:

Dumski: Satanic_Hamster: Dumski: [img.fark.net image 313x233][img.fark.net image 350x278]
Apparently this is what Arizona DPS and US Border Patrol thinks of him

HA HAH, really?  He's cuffed in those photos too?

Yup. Heres the LINK to the news article.


I may think he's a total douche-nugget when it comes to religion and women's rights, but I have to agree with his stance when it comes to a border patrol checkpoint over a hundred miles from an actual border and using a drug sniffing dog to "tag" him.  Drug dogs do exactly what their handlers want them to do.  So of course they got a hit when he refused to let search his vehicle.
2014-03-24 07:33:25 PM
1 votes:
Crap, now I'm conflicted. He's a douche, no doubt. But, he refused to "play ball" at an internal immigration checkpoint. He got a nice tasering and a beat down for standing up for his rights. I guess Hitler may have been nice to dogs.
2014-03-24 07:24:27 PM
1 votes:
Want to know what's ironic? Women in Iran have more nerve to fight back against oppressive religious asswipes than the women in the USA do!


http://www.fark.com/comments/7337156/Iranian-cleric-chastises-woman- fo r-being-badly-covered-ends-up-being-thoroughly-covered-in-Whupass
2014-03-24 07:24:09 PM
1 votes:
Actually this was one of the first cracks in my losing my faith.

I wondered how women could talk in church or be pastors in any Christian denomination and was given lots of dodges and explanations but they were bullshiat justification. The holy book says that they can't. I asked "So we don't have to follow everything the Bible says?" They will do mental gymnastics for hours to explain how some things are to be followed but ignoring some is OK but it is pretty weak justification.
2014-03-24 07:18:12 PM
1 votes:

scottydoesntknow: Holy shiat, his website is derp x 11.

Apparently he also feels that the government should systematically put all homosexuals to death.


Tss, nice inflammatory interpretation, scotty. I'm sure he didn't actually say that.

*click*

Author's Note: I have never called for people to rise up and kill homosexuals. I believe that the GOVERNMENT should put them to death as the Bible lays out in Leviticus 20:13. We as Christians should NOT accept homosexuals. Am I going to harm homosexuals? NO. Should they be put to death by the legitimate authorities (i.e. our government). YES

Holy shiat, he did say exactly that. WTF.
2014-03-24 07:14:11 PM
1 votes:
The bible says one time that "homosexuality is an abomination"

The bible says one time that women are to be "commanded under obedience"

Where are the Republican congressmen speaking out against this crumbling of traditional Christian family values?
2014-03-24 07:07:10 PM
1 votes:

Dumski: Satanic_Hamster: Dumski: [img.fark.net image 313x233][img.fark.net image 350x278]
Apparently this is what Arizona DPS and US Border Patrol thinks of him

HA HAH, really?  He's cuffed in those photos too?

Yup. Heres the LINK to the news article.


That's the poorest excuse for journalism I've seen in some time. Also, the tender piano music that accompanies the border patrol video is a nice touch.
2014-03-24 06:57:17 PM
1 votes:
I got some Leviticus for you douchebag.

Leviticus 19:27 - Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.

You are going to hell, ya poopstain.
2014-03-24 06:49:22 PM
1 votes:

Dumski: Satanic_Hamster: Dumski: [img.fark.net image 313x233][img.fark.net image 350x278]
Apparently this is what Arizona DPS and US Border Patrol thinks of him

HA HAH, really?  He's cuffed in those photos too?

Yup. Heres the LINK to the news article.


Well shiat, just because he's a doucebag doesn't mean he deserved that.
2014-03-24 06:45:38 PM
1 votes:
Matthew 6:5-6:6

And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.

But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
2014-03-24 06:32:29 PM
1 votes:

Some 'Splainin' To Do: I'm convinced that most people find exactly the god that they want to worship. This man was looking for one that was as small and evil-minded has he is and, surprise!, that's exactly the sort of god he found.


You are 100% correct.
2014-03-24 06:29:22 PM
1 votes:
img.fark.netimg.fark.net
Apparently this is what Arizona DPS and US Border Patrol thinks of him
2014-03-24 06:28:11 PM
1 votes:

CheetahOlivetti: scottydoesntknow: Holy shiat, his website is derp x 11.

Apparently he also feels that the government should systematically put all homosexuals to death.

Oh, wow:
Because of years and years of looking at and touching scores of women inappropriately, the male gynecologist no doubt has a seared conscience and a perverted mind (I will not go into detail of what goes on in the doctor's office for decency's sake, but any woman who has been there knows what I am referring to.).  His view of women and the marital bed has certainly been warped by his indecent involvement with countless women.


Well, ladies? Looks like the proverbial cat is out of the bag. Someone in our club let this man know what goes on in the doctor's office - you know, the perverted parts. We can all stop pretending we don't like to keep that appointment. It was fun while it lasted but it is time to confess - we've been regularly scheduling visits that sear the conscience of medically-trained men in order to get our ya-yas out.
2014-03-24 06:25:21 PM
1 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: And yet people still follow him

/you can't fix stupid




There's a reason why they call the people who attend their church a flock; sheep aren't known for freedom of thought.
2014-03-24 06:25:18 PM
1 votes:

ZeroPly: Some 'Splainin' To Do: I'm convinced that most people find exactly the god that they want to worship. This man was looking for one that was as small and evil-minded has he is and, surprise!, that's exactly the sort of god he found.

Well, he is quoting directly out of the Bible, and there doesn't seem to be any controversy that the Bible actually says all that. Shouldn't the burden be on the other Christians to justify why they don't follow that part of the Bible?


Although he is a despicable person, this guy gets a grudging respect from me.  He's an asshole.  He's archaic, misogynistic, self-righteous, and is not afraid to say exactly the crap that infects his sorry little rattletrap of a brain.  But he is HONEST.  He doesn't try to hide his true nature in a series of carefully worded statements like other "Christians" of his ilk.  He believes his shiat and challenges his audience to accept or reject it.
2014-03-24 06:24:08 PM
1 votes:
Ah yes, "Cherry picking the bible" to suit your needs. A time honored tradition in religion.
2014-03-24 06:22:55 PM
1 votes:

worlddan: Because Bible? How about because fact. A woman cannot say "amen" because she is not in fact male, she is female.


So she should say "awomen"?

scottydoesntknow: Holy shiat, his website is derp x 11.

Apparently he also feels that the government should systematically put all homosexuals to death.


I know it's sorta wrong to see these things as hilarious but that clarifying disclaimer at the bottom is brilliant.

"Author's Note: I have never called for people to rise up and kill homosexuals. I believe that the GOVERNMENT should put them to death... "

Oh, well... that's perfectly alright then.
2014-03-24 06:21:53 PM
1 votes:
How long before this guy goes full Leviticus and starts throwing stones at women who come in while menstruating?
2014-03-24 06:21:52 PM
1 votes:
img.fark.net
2014-03-24 06:21:37 PM
1 votes:
Some 'Splainin' To Do: I'm convinced that most people find exactly the god that they want to worship. This man was looking for one that was as small and evil-minded has he is and, surprise!, that's exactly the sort of god he found.

"Gods by the bushel!  Gods by the Pound!  Gods for all occasions!"
--Ambassador Londo Mollari, Centauri Republic

/"But in Purple, I'm *Stunning*!" (*thud*)
2014-03-24 06:19:26 PM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
2014-03-24 06:17:07 PM
1 votes:
Some woman needs to go up during his spouting this BS and kick his ass. "Hey, Rev Jim Jones II! I have a message from Jesus for you!"
2014-03-24 06:13:56 PM
1 votes:

JoieD'Zen: I cannot believe these clowns get sheep to herd. WTF is wrong with people?


They're stupid.
2014-03-24 06:10:49 PM
1 votes:
So the women who go to this church must be suffering from Stockholm syndrome.
2014-03-24 06:08:34 PM
1 votes:
sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk
2014-03-24 04:43:59 PM
1 votes:
Holy shiat, his website is derp x 11.

Apparently he also feels that the government should systematically put all homosexuals to death.
 
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