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(The Raw Story)   The same Phoenix pastor who once got a lil' visit from the Secret Service after saying he "prayed every day for the death of Obama" is now demanding that women not so much as utter an "Amen" in his Church, because the Bible   (rawstory.com ) divider line
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2014-03-24 09:10:45 PM  

SirPeteTheGreat: According to the Bible (using NRSV here), when asked what the greatest commandment was, Jesus replied "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind." This is the greatest and first commandment." (Matthew 22:37-38)  He then went on to add a second commandment, without really being asked: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."  (39)

A quick reading of the Parable of the Good Samaritan shows that by "neighbor" Jesus pretty much meant "everyone."

Skip over to Paul, who tells the Corinthians that "love is not boastful or envious or arrogant or rude.  It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful." (1 Cor 13:4-5)

If we take those in concert, how in the bleepity bleeping bleep do we end up with this loony?


So loving your neighbor means everyone can do whatever he or she wants? If you believe the bible it's disingenuous to suggest that two general statements spliced together somehow trump an explicit statement. It may be politically incorrect, but the bible does indeed say exactly what he's teaching.

If you don't believe the bible then why are you concerned about what's going on in a church you don't go to? You can reject what he's teaching as silly, archaic, misguided or idiotic, but if you don't believe the bible and he does, why are you surprised that you don't agree on things?
 
2014-03-24 09:12:42 PM  
Jesus would be appalled.
 
2014-03-24 09:14:20 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: OgreMagi: I may think he's a total douche-nugget when it comes to religion and women's rights, but I have to agree with his stance when it comes to a border patrol checkpoint over a hundred miles from an actual border and using a drug sniffing dog to "tag" him.  Drug dogs do exactly what their handlers want them to do.  So of course they got a hit when he refused to let search his vehicle.

And while I agree with you, at the boarder isn't the place to contest that, especially by force.  If you try to physically resist police like that, you have a good chance of getting at minimum tazed, bro.


He wasn't at the border.  He was over 100 miles from the border.
 
2014-03-24 09:21:45 PM  

SirPeteTheGreat: According to the Bible .....

Skip over to Paul, who tells the Corinthians that "love is not boastful or envious or arrogant or rude.  It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful." (1 Cor 13:4-5)

If we take those in concert, how in the bleepity bleeping bleep do we end up with this loony?


Typo in the Bible. Study it out.
 
2014-03-24 09:24:18 PM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: I'm convinced that most people find exactly the god that they want to worship. This man was looking for one that was as small and evil-minded has he is and, surprise!, that's exactly the sort of god he found.


It always fascinates me how people like this guy deliberately overlook women like Esther, Ruth, Rahab, Deborah, Tamar, Anna (two or three of whom are listed in the genealogy of Christ, one of whom was the first known prophet according to the accounts that were written by Jewish men to see Christ as an infant--and under Mosaic law, one could not be called a prophet without proof on pain of death) and so many others. It fascinates me even more how they deliberately overlook the sins of Abraham (the friend of God), David (the man after God's own heart) and even Moses (God's Lawgiver) while holding the women up as evil and the men up as paragons of virtue.

Mr. Anderson might want to consider reading the Koine Greek of the passage he's quoting. Because the way so many denominations choose to interpret it, as handed down by the piss-poor King James translation, is not what the Koine Greek or the more than 25000 original manuscripts in 20 different languages actually says. The King James translation is widely regarded as one of the worst translations in existence, one that was commissioned and translated to support a certain religious view.
 
2014-03-24 09:27:11 PM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: Some 'Splainin' To Do: I'm convinced that most people find exactly the god that they want to worship. This man was looking for one that was as small and evil-minded has he is and, surprise!, that's exactly the sort of god he found.

"Gods by the bushel!  Gods by the Pound!  Gods for all occasions!"
--Ambassador Londo Mollari, Centauri Republic

/"But in Purple, I'm *Stunning*!" (*thud*)


"AH! He has become one with his true self."

/He's passed out drunk
//that too.
 
2014-03-24 09:29:42 PM  
Far too many people to include here, so some will miss it, but for those of us who don't do the "biblical inerrancy" dance (and there are a lot of us, we just don't show up in the news because we're really kinda boring next to guys like Fred Phelps), its simple enough.

If you read Paul's letters there are several clearly written by him, some that might be, and others that aren't. In the genuine article, Paul is often clearly speaking very kindly of various women who look to be leaders or at least prominent in their local churches. The stuff about women keeping silent often pops up in non-Pauline letters and in Corinthians 1 it is believed by many to be a later insertion and not original, thus we can safely ignore it.

/yes we do pick and choose, because d-bags have been messing with the text for a long time.
 
2014-03-24 09:31:53 PM  

OgreMagi: Satanic_Hamster: OgreMagi: I may think he's a total douche-nugget when it comes to religion and women's rights, but I have to agree with his stance when it comes to a border patrol checkpoint over a hundred miles from an actual border and using a drug sniffing dog to "tag" him.  Drug dogs do exactly what their handlers want them to do.  So of course they got a hit when he refused to let search his vehicle.

And while I agree with you, at the boarder isn't the place to contest that, especially by force.  If you try to physically resist police like that, you have a good chance of getting at minimum tazed, bro.

He wasn't at the border.  He was over 100 miles from the border.


I have this sneaking suspicion that this God-fearin' "civil rights" activist is one of those who, when the shoe is on the other foot, tells anyone within earshot that you're supposed to do what the police tell you to do, when they tell you to do it, and only those who have something to hide have something to fear. I seriously doubt that, if you showed him a similar video with a person of a more melanistic hue standing up for his rights as vigorously as the Pastor did, that he would say anything remotely in support of his brother in arms.
 
2014-03-24 09:36:12 PM  

Gyrfalcon: OgreMagi: Satanic_Hamster: OgreMagi: I may think he's a total douche-nugget when it comes to religion and women's rights, but I have to agree with his stance when it comes to a border patrol checkpoint over a hundred miles from an actual border and using a drug sniffing dog to "tag" him.  Drug dogs do exactly what their handlers want them to do.  So of course they got a hit when he refused to let search his vehicle.

And while I agree with you, at the boarder isn't the place to contest that, especially by force.  If you try to physically resist police like that, you have a good chance of getting at minimum tazed, bro.

He wasn't at the border.  He was over 100 miles from the border.

I have this sneaking suspicion that this God-fearin' "civil rights" activist is one of those who, when the shoe is on the other foot, tells anyone within earshot that you're supposed to do what the police tell you to do, when they tell you to do it, and only those who have something to hide have something to fear. I seriously doubt that, if you showed him a similar video with a person of a more melanistic hue standing up for his rights as vigorously as the Pastor did, that he would say anything remotely in support of his brother in arms.


I don't doubt it one bit. But he was still in the right and the police violated the law.

If we allow the police to ignore the Constitution with people we despise, we open the door for them to do the same with us.
 
2014-03-24 09:45:37 PM  

OgreMagi: I don't doubt it one bit. But he was still in the right and the police violated the law.

If we allow the police to ignore the Constitution with people we despise, we open the door for them to do the same with us.


But, again though...  AT THE TRAFFIC STOP ISN'T THE PLACE TO DO THAT.  You can NOT physically resist police under that circumstance.  I'm willing to bet that not once in the history of the America, maybe in Western Civiliziation, that a citizen has come out ahead by trying to physically stop the police from violating their search rights by physical resistance.
 
2014-03-24 09:50:21 PM  

JammerJim: /yes we do pick and choose, because d-bags have been messing with the text for a long time.


I'd be more inclined to believe that this is the actual reason if the picking and choosing didn't tend to happen exactly where the person doing the choosing wanted. It's a pretty amazing coincidence.
 
2014-03-24 09:52:20 PM  

generallyso: peacheslatour: He should try reading the Book of Numbers.  See: Deborah.

What about her? As others have already pointed out, the Bible explicitly agrees with him:


RightWingWacko: 1 Corinthians 14:34

Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but  they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.


The Bible explicitly agrees with whatever you want it to.
 
2014-03-24 10:26:26 PM  

atomic-age: flondrix: CheetahOlivetti: Oh, wow:
Because of years and years of looking at and touching scores of women inappropriately, the male gynecologist no doubt has a seared conscience and a perverted mind (I will not go into detail of what goes on in the doctor's office for decency's sake, but any woman who has been there knows what I am referring to.).  His view of women and the marital bed has certainly been warped by his indecent involvement with countless women.

He doesn't out-and-out say whether he approves of women becoming gynecologists, either.  Since that would involve them attending universities and working outside of the home, I'm going to guess "no".

Frankly, women's nether parts should never be shown in the light of day, to male or female. If a woman gets cervical cancer, it's just God's will.


i58.tinypic.com
 
2014-03-24 10:30:17 PM  

JesseL: Did we learn nothing from Fred Phelps?

If this douchnozzle keeps getting attention he's only going to get worse. Don't feed the trolls is even better advice in real life than on the internet.


Actually I think the reverse is true

The more public spotlight on the idiot fringe of Christianity, the more people realize how dumb the religion actually is

Give them the rope to hang themselves with ....
 
2014-03-24 10:43:15 PM  
The church I attended is pretty cool. I have never heard the Minister say anything bad about gay people, Muslims,  Democrats, Republicans women or anybody else, the message each week is always positive.
Each day the church building is used in some way, AA, NA, bible study. Homeless people are welcome and on Saturday morning there is a breakfast for people in need. The church is involved in other community outreach activities such as a prison outreach program and the church helps orphans in Mexico. I like to go because it's a laid back church where I can wear shorts, flip flops and a hawaiian shirt, the church is in Pacific Beach California and after services there is coffee and snacks. I enjoy going to church with my wife and sometimes we take our grandchildren with us.To my knowledge the Minister has never been on television or quoted in the papers for anything remotely controversial. The point is there are many more churches like one I attend and not like the church in the article.
 
2014-03-24 10:53:41 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: OgreMagi: I don't doubt it one bit. But he was still in the right and the police violated the law.

If we allow the police to ignore the Constitution with people we despise, we open the door for them to do the same with us.

But, again though...  AT THE TRAFFIC STOP ISN'T THE PLACE TO DO THAT.  You can NOT physically resist police under that circumstance.  I'm willing to bet that not once in the history of the America, maybe in Western Civiliziation, that a citizen has come out ahead by trying to physically stop the police from violating their search rights by physical resistance.


Depends on how you resist.  Yes, physically resisting and starting a fight is a very bad idea.  You'll only get the shiat kicked out of you.  If you are lucky, you might get a big payout, but I figure the odds are pretty high that you will die or suffer permanent injury in the process.  Not worth it.  However, refusing to consent and being "uncooperative" is your right and when the cop crosses that line, even with assholes like this, they need to be removed from their position of authority on a permanent basis.
 
2014-03-24 11:03:43 PM  
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2014-03-24 11:06:05 PM  

JammerJim: /yes we do pick and choose, because d-bags have been messing with the text for a long time.


So the Bible is the Word of God, scribed by man but inspired by God.

Except the parts that are inconvenient or you don't like. Those were "messed with".
 
2014-03-24 11:20:20 PM  

JoieD'Zen: I cannot believe these clowns get sheep to herd. WTF is wrong with people?


"I see a propensity for obesity. Poverty. A yen for fairy tales. Folks puttin' what few bucks they do have into a little wicker basket being passed around. I think it's safe to say nobody here's gonna be splitting the atom, Marty."
 
2014-03-24 11:41:31 PM  

jst3p: JammerJim: /yes we do pick and choose, because d-bags have been messing with the text for a long time.

So the Bible is the Word of God, scribed by man but inspired by God.

Except the parts that are inconvenient or you don't like. Those were "messed with".


You know how I know you don't know about historical-critical and textual analysis as applied to the Bible?
 
2014-03-24 11:52:07 PM  

DmGdDawg: SirPeteTheGreat: According to the Bible (using NRSV here), when asked what the greatest commandment was, Jesus replied "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind." This is the greatest and first commandment." (Matthew 22:37-38)  He then went on to add a second commandment, without really being asked: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."  (39)

A quick reading of the Parable of the Good Samaritan shows that by "neighbor" Jesus pretty much meant "everyone."

Skip over to Paul, who tells the Corinthians that "love is not boastful or envious or arrogant or rude.  It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful." (1 Cor 13:4-5)

If we take those in concert, how in the bleepity bleeping bleep do we end up with this loony?

So loving your neighbor means everyone can do whatever he or she wants? If you believe the bible it's disingenuous to suggest that two general statements spliced together somehow trump an explicit statement. It may be politically incorrect, but the bible does indeed say exactly what he's teaching.

If you don't believe the bible then why are you concerned about what's going on in a church you don't go to? You can reject what he's teaching as silly, archaic, misguided or idiotic, but if you don't believe the bible and he does, why are you surprised that you don't agree on things?


Loving my neighbor does not mean letting them get away with anything.  It does mean I shouldn't be rude, it does mean I shouldn't picket their funerals, and it certainly does mean that I am to avoid incendiary language, hateful propaganda, and that sort of thing.

I believe the Bible holds some truths, and not a lot of facts.  The reason I am concerned about the viewpoints our preacher espouses is the possibility that some of that vitriol may get embodied in law if we aren't careful.  I don't want this country to turn into a "Christian" version of Afghanistan.

If I am feeding a troll, whatever.  The things I wrote are intended, whether the fellow who's fark name is unpronounceable is a troll or otherwise.
 
2014-03-25 12:04:51 AM  
i242.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-25 12:20:34 AM  

JammerJim: jst3p: JammerJim: /yes we do pick and choose, because d-bags have been messing with the text for a long time.

So the Bible is the Word of God, scribed by man but inspired by God.

Except the parts that are inconvenient or you don't like. Those were "messed with".

You know how I know you don't know about historical-critical and textual analysis as applied to the Bible?


I don't know much about historical-critical and textual analysis as applied to Mother Goose either.
 
2014-03-25 01:08:36 AM  

OgreMagi: Satanic_Hamster: OgreMagi: I don't doubt it one bit. But he was still in the right and the police violated the law.

If we allow the police to ignore the Constitution with people we despise, we open the door for them to do the same with us.

But, again though...  AT THE TRAFFIC STOP ISN'T THE PLACE TO DO THAT.  You can NOT physically resist police under that circumstance.  I'm willing to bet that not once in the history of the America, maybe in Western Civiliziation, that a citizen has come out ahead by trying to physically stop the police from violating their search rights by physical resistance.

Depends on how you resist.  Yes, physically resisting and starting a fight is a very bad idea.  You'll only get the shiat kicked out of you.  If you are lucky, you might get a big payout, but I figure the odds are pretty high that you will die or suffer permanent injury in the process.  Not worth it.  However, refusing to consent and being "uncooperative" is your right and when the cop crosses that line, even with assholes like this, they need to be removed from their position of authority on a permanent basis.


Being uncoooperative and refusing to consent will also get the shiat kicked out of you, as both this asshole and countless others have discovered. If the cop is in the wrong and you know it and can prove it--like this guy could, or so he claimed--then you shut the f*ck up, get out of your car, get arrested, and let your lawyer have the evidence your wife was keeping back in the vehicle. You DON'T sit in the car and say "Oh yeah coppers! Come in and get me!" because the cops WILL come in and get you, and now you are most definitely in the wrong for resisting arrest.

As soon as the cop says "You are under arrest," then all bets are off--whatever other b/s charges they have against you (speeding, drunk driving, a dope dog "alerting" on your car), if you don't acquiesce, then they've got you for resisting arrest. I don't like it any more than you men do; but that's the way the law is rolling right now. And the only way to permanently remove them from authority, as you would like, is to let them arrest you--lawfully--so you can challenge the UN-lawful grounds for that arrest in court.

Otherwise, you're in court trying to explain to an unsympathetic judge why you didn't comply with the officer "Well, you see, the grounds for arrest were wrong--" "Yes, but he told you you were under arrest, didn't he?" "Yes, but he never told me why--" "But once he said that, why didn't you obey his commands?" And so on. You cannot win that argument either.
 
2014-03-25 01:26:33 AM  

Kittypie070: [i.imgur.com image 700x489]


The evolution of ninjas?
 
2014-03-25 01:27:34 AM  

Gyrfalcon: As soon as the cop says "You are under arrest," then all bets are off--whatever other b/s charges they have against you (speeding, drunk driving, a dope dog "alerting" on your car), if you don't acquiesce, then they've got you for resisting arrest. I don't like it any more than you men do; but that's the way the law is rolling right now. And the only way to permanently remove them from authority, as you would like, is to let them arrest you--lawfully--so you can challenge the UN-lawful grounds for that arrest in court.


As my Father always told me, "You can beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride."
 
2014-03-25 01:34:25 AM  
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2014-03-25 01:38:02 AM  

Man On Pink Corner: So when do you Christians stop calling yourselves Christians and start calling yourselves Paulites?


This point isn't brought up nearly enough. The red highlighted portions of The Bible are really the only parts I concern myself too much with--and even then those specific books were picked out by a bunch of old dudes centuries ago as "the important ones." If learning directly from Jesus puts you as much at odds with his teachings as the apostles instructions show, imagine all the crap that's happened since.
 
2014-03-25 01:47:25 AM  

Thunderpipes: SS investigate the thousands of people who marched around with kill Bush signs?


B-bu-but BUSH!!

/Oh, and citation needed
 
2014-03-25 01:51:47 AM  

Gyrfalcon: OgreMagi: Satanic_Hamster: OgreMagi: I don't doubt it one bit. But he was still in the right and the police violated the law.

If we allow the police to ignore the Constitution with people we despise, we open the door for them to do the same with us.

But, again though...  AT THE TRAFFIC STOP ISN'T THE PLACE TO DO THAT.  You can NOT physically resist police under that circumstance.  I'm willing to bet that not once in the history of the America, maybe in Western Civiliziation, that a citizen has come out ahead by trying to physically stop the police from violating their search rights by physical resistance.

Depends on how you resist.  Yes, physically resisting and starting a fight is a very bad idea.  You'll only get the shiat kicked out of you.  If you are lucky, you might get a big payout, but I figure the odds are pretty high that you will die or suffer permanent injury in the process.  Not worth it.  However, refusing to consent and being "uncooperative" is your right and when the cop crosses that line, even with assholes like this, they need to be removed from their position of authority on a permanent basis.

Being uncoooperative and refusing to consent will also get the shiat kicked out of you, as both this asshole and countless others have discovered. If the cop is in the wrong and you know it and can prove it--like this guy could, or so he claimed--then you shut the f*ck up, get out of your car, get arrested, and let your lawyer have the evidence your wife was keeping back in the vehicle. You DON'T sit in the car and say "Oh yeah coppers! Come in and get me!" because the cops WILL come in and get you, and now you are most definitely in the wrong for resisting arrest.

As soon as the cop says "You are under arrest," then all bets are off--whatever other b/s charges they have against you (speeding, drunk driving, a dope dog "alerting" on your car), if you don't acquiesce, then they've got you for resisting arrest. I don't like it any more than you men do; bu ...


Perhaps you are misunderstanding what I mean by refusing to cooperate.  I mean don't consent to a search and don't answer any questions.  However, if you are ordered out of your vehicle, even if you think the reason is bs, you do it.  And you certainly don't start a fight.  In the one situation where a cop demanded to search me and my vehicle for no reason, I did say "I do not consent, but you have the gun so I can't stop you."  Neither I nor my vehicle were searched.  No, I didn't have anything to hide. That's entirely beside the point.
 
2014-03-25 02:04:53 AM  

Aigoo: Mr. Anderson might want to consider reading the Koine Greek of the passage he's quoting. Because the way so many denominations choose to interpret it, as handed down by the piss-poor King James translation, is not what the Koine Greek or the more than 25000 original manuscripts in 20 different languages actually says. The King James translation is widely regarded as one of the worst translations in existence, one that was commissioned and translated to support a certain religious view.


Don't worry.   They're working to surpass it.
 
2014-03-25 02:09:46 AM  

OgreMagi: Gyrfalcon: OgreMagi: Satanic_Hamster: OgreMagi: I don't doubt it one bit. But he was still in the right and the police violated the law.

If we allow the police to ignore the Constitution with people we despise, we open the door for them to do the same with us.

But, again though...  AT THE TRAFFIC STOP ISN'T THE PLACE TO DO THAT.  You can NOT physically resist police under that circumstance.  I'm willing to bet that not once in the history of the America, maybe in Western Civiliziation, that a citizen has come out ahead by trying to physically stop the police from violating their search rights by physical resistance.

Depends on how you resist.  Yes, physically resisting and starting a fight is a very bad idea.  You'll only get the shiat kicked out of you.  If you are lucky, you might get a big payout, but I figure the odds are pretty high that you will die or suffer permanent injury in the process.  Not worth it.  However, refusing to consent and being "uncooperative" is your right and when the cop crosses that line, even with assholes like this, they need to be removed from their position of authority on a permanent basis.

Being uncoooperative and refusing to consent will also get the shiat kicked out of you, as both this asshole and countless others have discovered. If the cop is in the wrong and you know it and can prove it--like this guy could, or so he claimed--then you shut the f*ck up, get out of your car, get arrested, and let your lawyer have the evidence your wife was keeping back in the vehicle. You DON'T sit in the car and say "Oh yeah coppers! Come in and get me!" because the cops WILL come in and get you, and now you are most definitely in the wrong for resisting arrest.

As soon as the cop says "You are under arrest," then all bets are off--whatever other b/s charges they have against you (speeding, drunk driving, a dope dog "alerting" on your car), if you don't acquiesce, then they've got you for resisting arrest. I don't like it any more than you men do; bu ...

Perhaps you are misunderstanding what I mean by refusing to cooperate.  I mean don't consent to a search and don't answer any questions.  However, if you are ordered out of your vehicle, even if you think the reason is bs, you do it.  And you certainly don't start a fight.  In the one situation where a cop demanded to search me and my vehicle for no reason, I did say "I do not consent, but you have the gun so I can't stop you."  Neither I nor my vehicle were searched.  No, I didn't have anything to hide. That's entirely beside the point.


From the video I saw the cops were in the right (as far as the content of the video) except maybe for tazing him as soon as the window was broken. If the answer to "am I under arrest?" Is "yes" then you had better comply in all ways you are capable, including something so minor as "get out of the vehicle."
 
2014-03-25 02:58:25 AM  

Aigoo: Some 'Splainin' To Do: I'm convinced that most people find exactly the god that they want to worship. This man was looking for one that was as small and evil-minded has he is and, surprise!, that's exactly the sort of god he found.

It always fascinates me how people like this guy deliberately overlook women like Esther, Ruth, Rahab, Deborah, Tamar, Anna (two or three of whom are listed in the genealogy of Christ, one of whom was the first known prophet according to the accounts that were written by Jewish men to see Christ as an infant--and under Mosaic law, one could not be called a prophet without proof on pain of death) and so many others. It fascinates me even more how they deliberately overlook the sins of Abraham (the friend of God), David (the man after God's own heart) and even Moses (God's Lawgiver) while holding the women up as evil and the men up as paragons of virtue.

Mr. Anderson might want to consider reading the Koine Greek of the passage he's quoting. Because the way so many denominations choose to interpret it, as handed down by the piss-poor King James translation, is not what the Koine Greek or the more than 25000 original manuscripts in 20 different languages actually says. The King James translation is widely regarded as one of the worst translations in existence, one that was commissioned and translated to support a certain religious view.


Came here to say this, mostly.  There are plenty of women in the Bible that saved the Jewish people by NOT shutting up.  If they didn't save the Jews, then there would have been no Jesus.  Jesus even had women that spoke up - his own mother at Cana told him to make some wine (not grape juice you ignorant fools, alcohol).  Martha, who spoke a plain and forthright point of faith with the loss of her brother Lazarus.

Does this chucklehead also not know who the first people were who witnessed the resurrection, who brought myrrh to anoint the dead body and found the rock rolled away from the tomb?  Easter's not far off, maybe they need to reread those passages.
 
2014-03-25 03:12:53 AM  

OgreMagi: Perhaps you are misunderstanding what I mean by refusing to cooperate. I mean don't consent to a search and don't answer any questions. However, if you are ordered out of your vehicle, even if you think the reason is bs, you do it. And you certainly don't start a fight. In the one situation where a cop demanded to search me and my vehicle for no reason, I did say "I do not consent, but you have the gun so I can't stop you." Neither I nor my vehicle were searched. No, I didn't have anything to hide. That's entirely beside the point.


Ah. My bad. You are right about never consenting and never talking. I did in fact misunderstand. Apologies.
 
2014-03-25 03:27:39 AM  

Aigoo: Some 'Splainin' To Do: I'm convinced that most people find exactly the god that they want to worship. This man was looking for one that was as small and evil-minded has he is and, surprise!, that's exactly the sort of god he found.

It always fascinates me how people like this guy deliberately overlook women like Esther, Ruth, Rahab, Deborah, Tamar, Anna (two or three of whom are listed in the genealogy of Christ, one of whom was the first known prophet according to the accounts that were written by Jewish men to see Christ as an infant--and under Mosaic law, one could not be called a prophet without proof on pain of death) and so many others. It fascinates me even more how they deliberately overlook the sins of Abraham (the friend of God), David (the man after God's own heart) and even Moses (God's Lawgiver) while holding the women up as evil and the men up as paragons of virtue.

read the bible with all its contradictions and historical inaccuracies and ignorance of science and don't say "This smells like bullsh*t"

FTFM
 
2014-03-25 04:40:14 AM  

JammerJim: Far too many people to include here, so some will miss it, but for those of us who don't do the "biblical inerrancy" dance (and there are a lot of us, we just don't show up in the news because we're really kinda boring next to guys like Fred Phelps), its simple enough.

If you read Paul's letters there are several clearly written by him, some that might be, and others that aren't. In the genuine article, Paul is often clearly speaking very kindly of various women who look to be leaders or at least prominent in their local churches. The stuff about women keeping silent often pops up in non-Pauline letters and in Corinthians 1 it is believed by many to be a later insertion and not original, thus we can safely ignore it.

/yes we do pick and choose, because d-bags have been messing with the text for a long time.


Let's play Occam's Razor!

Either

 A: A benevolent, omnipotent, and omniscient deity who loves us very much and wants us to adhere to a certain way of life to be rewarded with a pleasant and unending afterlife inspired prophets to transcribe his word, and then later "d-bags" came in and "messed with the text"

Or

B: D-Bags wrote a book
 
2014-03-25 05:26:01 AM  

Dumski: Ah yes, "Cherry picking the bible" to suit your needs. A time honored tradition in religion.


Since the bible contradicts itself all over the place, it would be impossible NOT to cherry pick. Simple example: did God create animals before humans (Gen. 1:24-27) or Adam before the animals (Gen. 2:19)?
 
2014-03-25 07:11:54 AM  

CheetahOlivetti: scottydoesntknow: Holy shiat, his website is derp x 11.

Apparently he also feels that the government should systematically put all homosexuals to death.

Oh, wow:
Because of years and years of looking at and touching scores of women inappropriately, the male gynecologist no doubt has a seared conscience and a perverted mind (I will not go into detail of what goes on in the doctor's office for decency's sake, but any woman who has been there knows what I am referring to.).  His view of women and the marital bed has certainly been warped by his indecent involvement with countless women.


And when someone asks you an example of how an otherwise normal looking and sounding person can have an underlying mental illness, you show them this derp.
 
2014-03-25 10:24:37 AM  
Next up. Pastor discovers that a surprising majority of the males in the congregation choos safety over coming back with the womenfolk.  Also discovers a sudden need for men to learn how to cook in the kitchen for Wednesday night ehting and soshilizing
 
2014-03-25 10:25:47 AM  

cwolf20: Next up. Pastor discovers that a surprising majority of the males in the congregation choos safety over coming back with the womenfolk.  Also discovers a sudden need for men to learn how to cook in the kitchen for Wednesday night ehting and soshilizing


choose not choose. I wasn't supposed to stop spelling correctly until after "night"
 
2014-03-25 10:30:31 AM  

cwolf20: cwolf20: Next up. Pastor discovers that a surprising majority of the males in the congregation choos safety over coming back with the womenfolk.  Also discovers a sudden need for men to learn how to cook in the kitchen for Wednesday night ehting and soshilizing

choose not choose. I wasn't supposed to stop spelling correctly until after "night"


well that was entertaining. I deliberately misspelled that time, and somehow it corrected.
 
2014-03-25 10:46:47 AM  
The US needs to start taking the mental health (or lack thereof) of these people seriously.
 
2014-03-25 11:05:18 AM  

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2014-03-25 11:31:22 AM  

Man On Pink Corner: So when do you Christians stop calling yourselves Christians and start calling yourselves Paulites?


Paul invented Christ (the Christ-myth was largely influenced by other mystery religion myths of the time, such as Mithros and Osiris) and grafted him onto a Jewish revolutionary leader named Yeshua bar Yosef (Jesus son of Joseph). Since Christ is the deity invented by Paul, the religion Paul created came to be known as Christanity.
 
2014-03-25 11:32:50 AM  
 Hrmmm, "Anti-Gay" preacher has a low opinion of women.
Don't take a psychologist to figure out where this is headed.

/he's like, totally in to the cock.
 
2014-03-25 11:40:18 AM  

jst3p: JammerJim: jst3p: JammerJim: /yes we do pick and choose, because d-bags have been messing with the text for a long time.

So the Bible is the Word of God, scribed by man but inspired by God.

Except the parts that are inconvenient or you don't like. Those were "messed with".

You know how I know you don't know about historical-critical and textual analysis as applied to the Bible?

I don't know much about historical-critical and textual analysis as applied to Mother Goose either.


No, you don't. You'd rather snark. But, someday, if you became interested in what parts of the tale were original and what parts were added in by the Brother's Grimm, you might find it useful.
 
2014-03-25 11:42:03 AM  

jst3p: JammerJim: You know how I know you don't know about historical-critical and textual analysis as applied to the Bible?

I don't know much about historical-critical and textual analysis as applied to Mother Goose either.


Awesome.
 
2014-03-25 11:43:40 AM  

Solstafir: Let's play Occam's Razor!


Different argument. My post was about knowing what was in fact original, and what might have been slipped in by some guy who was pissed off at the chicks getting give orders in church.
 
2014-03-25 12:06:53 PM  

JammerJim: jst3p: JammerJim: jst3p: JammerJim: /yes we do pick and choose, because d-bags have been messing with the text for a long time.

So the Bible is the Word of God, scribed by man but inspired by God.

Except the parts that are inconvenient or you don't like. Those were "messed with".

You know how I know you don't know about historical-critical and textual analysis as applied to the Bible?

I don't know much about historical-critical and textual analysis as applied to Mother Goose either.

No, you don't. You'd rather snark. But, someday, if you became interested in what parts of the tale were original and what parts were added in by the Brother's Grimm, you might find it useful.


Does it matter? Even if you could accurately pick out the parts that are "original" it is a sci-fi zombie tale.
 
2014-03-25 12:16:14 PM  
ikanreed: He's not wrong.  The bible is pretty explicit in its hatred for women through both testaments.  Jesus wasn't a douche about it(but ask him about slavery), but that didn't stop the rest of early Christianity firmly placing women as second class citizens property.

Do it right, if you're going to do it at all.
 
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