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(The Raw Story)   The same Phoenix pastor who once got a lil' visit from the Secret Service after saying he "prayed every day for the death of Obama" is now demanding that women not so much as utter an "Amen" in his Church, because the Bible   (rawstory.com) divider line 210
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2014-03-24 04:10:40 PM  
He sounds like a delightful human being in the mold of Fred Phelps
 
2014-03-24 04:15:54 PM  
Yeesh.
 
2014-03-24 04:22:05 PM  
The founder of the International Church of the Foursquare Gospel would disagree with him. That is, if she was still alive.
 
2014-03-24 04:24:04 PM  
This is what happens when you pay attention to silly people.
 
2014-03-24 04:24:41 PM  
I cannot believe these clowns get sheep to herd. WTF is wrong with people?
 
2014-03-24 04:43:59 PM  
Holy shiat, his website is derp x 11.

Apparently he also feels that the government should systematically put all homosexuals to death.
 
2014-03-24 04:58:19 PM  
And yet people still follow him

/you can't fix stupid
 
2014-03-24 04:59:05 PM  
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man

Why don't we ask Palin and Bachmann about that one?
 
2014-03-24 05:17:37 PM  
 
2014-03-24 05:21:18 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: And yet people still follow him

/you can't fix stupid


If it helps, I'm pretty sure their "church" has about 20 members and they meet at what used to be a 5 Guys location (going by the shape of the sign).

lh3.googleusercontent.com

3/4s of their pictures don't even have people sitting in chairs. Everyone's sitting on the floor.
 
2014-03-24 05:26:24 PM  
the Faithful Word Baptist Church

That is funny.
 
2014-03-24 05:46:56 PM  
I'm convinced that most people find exactly the god that they want to worship. This man was looking for one that was as small and evil-minded has he is and, surprise!, that's exactly the sort of god he found.
 
2014-03-24 05:47:42 PM  
Hey, he's right, the Bible does say that.  So, ladies, if you want to follow this archaic fairy tale as your life's rulebook, shut your farking mouths and learn from your husbands.

Of course, if you're a sensible, intelligent person, then maybe, just maybe, you should think about what this religion you follow says and realize that it's outdated and unnecessary for living a good life.
 
2014-03-24 06:08:04 PM  
Hopefully his number comes up shortly in the religious dead pool.
 
2014-03-24 06:08:34 PM  
sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk
 
2014-03-24 06:09:16 PM  
"But when it's learning time," Pastor Anderson said, hammering his lecturn, "it's silence time.

/shhhh
 
2014-03-24 06:09:46 PM  
Sounds like a buncha uppity broads on their rag in this thread. You harlots keep yer opinions to the period tent.
 
2014-03-24 06:10:06 PM  
I need that on a t-shirt.
 
2014-03-24 06:10:49 PM  
So the women who go to this church must be suffering from Stockholm syndrome.
 
2014-03-24 06:12:54 PM  

scottydoesntknow: MaudlinMutantMollusk: And yet people still follow him

/you can't fix stupid

If it helps, I'm pretty sure their "church" has about 20 members and they meet at what used to be a 5 Guys location (going by the shape of the sign).

[lh3.googleusercontent.com image 643x482]

3/4s of their pictures don't even have people sitting in chairs. Everyone's sitting on the floor.


Let me axe you a question, do you think they meant to put the traditional X-mas tree up front?
 
2014-03-24 06:13:56 PM  

JoieD'Zen: I cannot believe these clowns get sheep to herd. WTF is wrong with people?


They're stupid.
 
2014-03-24 06:14:25 PM  
Because Bible? How about because fact. A woman cannot say "amen" because she is not in fact male, she is female.
 
2014-03-24 06:16:05 PM  
Phoenix: The Birthplace of Scientology.

/no tag yet?
 
2014-03-24 06:16:13 PM  
What's the problem? I pray for for the death of everyone.
/oh, can I have your Lexus???????????
 
2014-03-24 06:17:07 PM  
Some woman needs to go up during his spouting this BS and kick his ass. "Hey, Rev Jim Jones II! I have a message from Jesus for you!"
 
2014-03-24 06:18:42 PM  
I will bet any sum that this entire church is deeply concerned about Sharia Law.
 
2014-03-24 06:18:58 PM  
"[l]et the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence."

The response to this will be epic.

img.pandawhale.com
 
2014-03-24 06:19:26 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-24 06:20:58 PM  

worlddan: Because Bible? How about because fact. A woman cannot say "amen" because she is not in fact male, she is female.


"awomen" then?
 
2014-03-24 06:20:59 PM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: I'm convinced that most people find exactly the god that they want to worship. This man was looking for one that was as small and evil-minded has he is and, surprise!, that's exactly the sort of god he found.


Well, he is quoting directly out of the Bible, and there doesn't seem to be any controversy that the Bible actually says all that. Shouldn't the burden be on the other Christians to justify why they don't follow that part of the Bible?
 
2014-03-24 06:21:30 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-03-24 06:21:37 PM  
Some 'Splainin' To Do: I'm convinced that most people find exactly the god that they want to worship. This man was looking for one that was as small and evil-minded has he is and, surprise!, that's exactly the sort of god he found.

"Gods by the bushel!  Gods by the Pound!  Gods for all occasions!"
--Ambassador Londo Mollari, Centauri Republic

/"But in Purple, I'm *Stunning*!" (*thud*)
 
2014-03-24 06:21:44 PM  
Sure will be nice when they finish draining the aquifers in the Southwest and Phoenix goes back to uninhabited desert.
 
2014-03-24 06:21:50 PM  
I wish we could just ship off all these wackos to the middle east. Tell em its a new crusade or something.
 
2014-03-24 06:21:52 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-03-24 06:21:53 PM  
How long before this guy goes full Leviticus and starts throwing stones at women who come in while menstruating?
 
2014-03-24 06:22:09 PM  
Douchebag tag? Someone with the PS skills, please.
 
2014-03-24 06:22:55 PM  

worlddan: Because Bible? How about because fact. A woman cannot say "amen" because she is not in fact male, she is female.


So she should say "awomen"?

scottydoesntknow: Holy shiat, his website is derp x 11.

Apparently he also feels that the government should systematically put all homosexuals to death.


I know it's sorta wrong to see these things as hilarious but that clarifying disclaimer at the bottom is brilliant.

"Author's Note: I have never called for people to rise up and kill homosexuals. I believe that the GOVERNMENT should put them to death... "

Oh, well... that's perfectly alright then.
 
2014-03-24 06:23:58 PM  
He's just trying to get his congregation small enough, that they don't get charged the automatic 18% gratuity when they go out to eat for Sunday lunch.
 
2014-03-24 06:24:08 PM  
Ah yes, "Cherry picking the bible" to suit your needs. A time honored tradition in religion.
 
2014-03-24 06:25:18 PM  

ZeroPly: Some 'Splainin' To Do: I'm convinced that most people find exactly the god that they want to worship. This man was looking for one that was as small and evil-minded has he is and, surprise!, that's exactly the sort of god he found.

Well, he is quoting directly out of the Bible, and there doesn't seem to be any controversy that the Bible actually says all that. Shouldn't the burden be on the other Christians to justify why they don't follow that part of the Bible?


Although he is a despicable person, this guy gets a grudging respect from me.  He's an asshole.  He's archaic, misogynistic, self-righteous, and is not afraid to say exactly the crap that infects his sorry little rattletrap of a brain.  But he is HONEST.  He doesn't try to hide his true nature in a series of carefully worded statements like other "Christians" of his ilk.  He believes his shiat and challenges his audience to accept or reject it.
 
2014-03-24 06:25:21 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: And yet people still follow him

/you can't fix stupid




There's a reason why they call the people who attend their church a flock; sheep aren't known for freedom of thought.
 
2014-03-24 06:26:51 PM  

Grimlock2099: worlddan: Because Bible? How about because fact. A woman cannot say "amen" because she is not in fact male, she is female.

"awomen" then?


Damnit, I shoulda refreshed.
 
2014-03-24 06:28:11 PM  

CheetahOlivetti: scottydoesntknow: Holy shiat, his website is derp x 11.

Apparently he also feels that the government should systematically put all homosexuals to death.

Oh, wow:
Because of years and years of looking at and touching scores of women inappropriately, the male gynecologist no doubt has a seared conscience and a perverted mind (I will not go into detail of what goes on in the doctor's office for decency's sake, but any woman who has been there knows what I am referring to.).  His view of women and the marital bed has certainly been warped by his indecent involvement with countless women.


Well, ladies? Looks like the proverbial cat is out of the bag. Someone in our club let this man know what goes on in the doctor's office - you know, the perverted parts. We can all stop pretending we don't like to keep that appointment. It was fun while it lasted but it is time to confess - we've been regularly scheduling visits that sear the conscience of medically-trained men in order to get our ya-yas out.
 
2014-03-24 06:28:56 PM  

JoieD'Zen: I cannot believe these clowns get sheep to herd. WTF is wrong with people?


I can't believe that most of his congregation didn't just walk out.  What a jackass.
 
2014-03-24 06:29:22 PM  
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Apparently this is what Arizona DPS and US Border Patrol thinks of him
 
2014-03-24 06:31:50 PM  
Hey, guys! You looking for some love and Christian Fellowship? Come on over here with us!

We don't don't go to that guy's Church. He's big dick. He thinks women are second class Christians.



DON'T BE THAT GUY.

TREAT WOMEN WITH RESPECT.

OR THE BLESSED VIRGIN WILL COME OVER THERE

AND KICK YUR PROTTY ASS!

A Message

Brought to you by the Roman Catholic Church.

The Real Church for Real men.

2 Fur one on Baptisms this week only!

 
2014-03-24 06:32:27 PM  
Helen Reddy comes out of retirement.
 
2014-03-24 06:32:28 PM  

Dumski: [img.fark.net image 313x233][img.fark.net image 350x278]
Apparently this is what Arizona DPS and US Border Patrol thinks of him


HA HAH, really?  He's cuffed in those photos too?
 
2014-03-24 06:32:29 PM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: I'm convinced that most people find exactly the god that they want to worship. This man was looking for one that was as small and evil-minded has he is and, surprise!, that's exactly the sort of god he found.


You are 100% correct.
 
2014-03-24 06:34:05 PM  
To paraphrase the Jesuits, give me a boy when he's seven years old and his mind will be warped for life.

I'm like MAD magazine, only funny.

And CHEAP, of course.

Because I'm giving it away for free.
 
2014-03-24 06:34:06 PM  
Just more hate blanketed by religion because religion is always good...right?
 
2014-03-24 06:34:08 PM  

Slaxl: Grimlock2099: worlddan: Because Bible? How about because fact. A woman cannot say "amen" because she is not in fact male, she is female.

"awomen" then?

Damnit, I shoulda refreshed.


It's okay, "great minds" and all that.... :)
 
2014-03-24 06:34:23 PM  

CheetahOlivetti: Oh, wow:
Because of years and years of looking at and touching scores of women inappropriately, the male gynecologist no doubt has a seared conscience and a perverted mind (I will not go into detail of what goes on in the doctor's office for decency's sake, but any woman who has been there knows what I am referring to.).  His view of women and the marital bed has certainly been warped by his indecent involvement with countless women.


He doesn't out-and-out say whether he approves of women becoming gynecologists, either.  Since that would involve them attending universities and working outside of the home, I'm going to guess "no".
 
2014-03-24 06:35:47 PM  
Hahahahahahaha, if you could reason with leftist liberals and extreme right wingers, you'd put the barrel in your mouth and pull the trigger.
 
2014-03-24 06:38:51 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-03-24 06:39:09 PM  
With this level of pure derp, I am forced to conclude that he's compensating for something.  How much you want to bet that some young lady laughed at the "Li'l Preacher" back in high school?
 
2014-03-24 06:39:19 PM  
Did we learn nothing from Fred Phelps?

If this douchnozzle keeps getting attention he's only going to get worse. Don't feed the trolls is even better advice in real life than on the internet.
 
2014-03-24 06:39:40 PM  
Since he wasn't arrested by the Secret Service I'm sure his conversation was along the lines of "No I don't want Obama dead. It's my schtick. Crazy angry old testament preacher you know? I just spout off crap, they give me money, I watch porn all night. Beats the hell out of real work."
 
2014-03-24 06:41:08 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Dumski: [img.fark.net image 313x233][img.fark.net image 350x278]
Apparently this is what Arizona DPS and US Border Patrol thinks of him

HA HAH, really?  He's cuffed in those photos too?


Yup. Heres the LINK to the news article.
 
2014-03-24 06:42:08 PM  
Ah Arizona, America's Septic Tank
 
2014-03-24 06:42:40 PM  
1 Corinthians 14:34

Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but  they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
 
2014-03-24 06:42:48 PM  
Just waiting for the first fundie to start saying that walking on two legs or using fire is forbidden because Bible. It will happen sooner or later.
 
2014-03-24 06:43:30 PM  
If there was a room full of fundy Christian whackjobs, would you want to here what they had to say?
Perhaps he was getting around to saying the same thing to the menfolk.

I realize that giving any fundy the benefit of the doubt is pointless, but it is possible.
 
2014-03-24 06:44:50 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Holy shiat, his website is derp x 11.

Apparently he also feels that the government should systematically put all homosexuals to death.


Yeah. Like that's ever going to happen.

Fundies are as stupid as they are evil. The average population may put up with a lot of crap including NSA hijinks, but if they tried to "Handmaid's Tale" the USA? Oh man the streets would run with blood and torn pages from bibles.
 
2014-03-24 06:45:38 PM  
Matthew 6:5-6:6

And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.

But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
 
2014-03-24 06:46:20 PM  

Dumski: [img.fark.net image 850x478]


Reading his website and how he protests too much, he certainly does appears to be a secret fisher of men.
 
2014-03-24 06:47:37 PM  

cmb53208: Ah Arizona, America's Septic Tank


Don't judge the whole state by some shiathead who preaches in a strip mall.
 
2014-03-24 06:49:22 PM  

Dumski: Satanic_Hamster: Dumski: [img.fark.net image 313x233][img.fark.net image 350x278]
Apparently this is what Arizona DPS and US Border Patrol thinks of him

HA HAH, really?  He's cuffed in those photos too?

Yup. Heres the LINK to the news article.


Well shiat, just because he's a doucebag doesn't mean he deserved that.
 
2014-03-24 06:50:04 PM  
I hope he doesn't get sick and need healthcare
 
2014-03-24 06:52:35 PM  

New Age Redneck: Douchebag tag? Someone with the PS skills, please.


Okay.
img.fark.net
 
2014-03-24 06:53:08 PM  
SO very much derp all over the linked articles...I need a bath...
 
2014-03-24 06:54:00 PM  

El Dudereno: So the women who go to this church must be suffering from Stockholm syndrome.


I just fine fine with not saying amen in response to him. Dickhead is what comes to mind anyway.
 
2014-03-24 06:54:51 PM  

Farker Soze: Dumski: Satanic_Hamster: Dumski: [img.fark.net image 313x233][img.fark.net image 350x278]
Apparently this is what Arizona DPS and US Border Patrol thinks of him

HA HAH, really?  He's cuffed in those photos too?

Yup. Heres the LINK to the news article.

Well shiat, just because he's a doucebag doesn't mean he deserved that.


Actually, yes, yes it does.

:0
 
2014-03-24 06:55:57 PM  
Dumski

dbag.jpeg

I thank you sir!

*tips hat*
 
2014-03-24 06:56:34 PM  
The difference between what Jesus said and the "mm BLERP n BLERP n BERLP n DERP n BLERP, 'cause Jeeyuhsiss!" wankers is where people lose the whole plot.
 
2014-03-24 06:57:17 PM  
I got some Leviticus for you douchebag.

Leviticus 19:27 - Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.

You are going to hell, ya poopstain.
 
2014-03-24 06:58:34 PM  

Dumski: Satanic_Hamster: Dumski: [img.fark.net image 313x233][img.fark.net image 350x278]
Apparently this is what Arizona DPS and US Border Patrol thinks of him

HA HAH, really?  He's cuffed in those photos too?

Yup. Heres the LINK to the news article.


Cop going nuts on assholio preacher. I'm not seeing a downside here.
 
2014-03-24 06:59:27 PM  

Close2TheEdge: Although he is a despicable person, this guy gets a grudging respect from me.  He's an asshole.  He's archaic, misogynistic, self-righteous, and is not afraid to say exactly the crap that infects his sorry little rattletrap of a brain.  But he is HONEST.


It may not be your intention, but this is sounding a lot like the "FREEDOM OF SPEECH!" Derp Dynasty BS from a couple of months ago.
 
2014-03-24 06:59:49 PM  

Dumski: Yup. Heres the LINK to the news article.


The video of him being tased needs a laugh track.
 
2014-03-24 07:00:24 PM  

New Age Redneck: Dumski

dbag.jpeg

I thank you sir!

*tips hat*


You are most welcome. Theres some good fodder of this idiot out there.
 
2014-03-24 07:00:36 PM  

flondrix: CheetahOlivetti: Oh, wow:
Because of years and years of looking at and touching scores of women inappropriately, the male gynecologist no doubt has a seared conscience and a perverted mind (I will not go into detail of what goes on in the doctor's office for decency's sake, but any woman who has been there knows what I am referring to.).  His view of women and the marital bed has certainly been warped by his indecent involvement with countless women.

He doesn't out-and-out say whether he approves of women becoming gynecologists, either.  Since that would involve them attending universities and working outside of the home, I'm going to guess "no".


Frankly, women's nether parts should never be shown in the light of day, to male or female. If a woman gets cervical cancer, it's just God's will.
 
2014-03-24 07:02:36 PM  
He's not wrong.  The bible is pretty explicit in its hatred for women through both testaments.  Jesus wasn't a douche about it(but ask him about slavery), but that didn't stop the rest of early Christianity firmly placing women as second class citizens.
 
2014-03-24 07:03:22 PM  

LazyMedia: Sure will be nice when they finish draining the aquifers in the Southwest and Phoenix goes back to uninhabited desert.


As someone who lives in the Pacific Northwest, I'm not looking forward to derping 'fundie hordes moving to this part of the country...

/ this would be a legitimate reason to secede from the US, IMHO
 
2014-03-24 07:03:37 PM  

Dumski: Satanic_Hamster: Dumski: [img.fark.net image 313x233][img.fark.net image 350x278]
Apparently this is what Arizona DPS and US Border Patrol thinks of him

HA HAH, really?  He's cuffed in those photos too?

Yup. Heres the LINK to the news article.


Oh, priceless.

They should have beaten his ass twice.
 
2014-03-24 07:03:42 PM  

PapaChester: I got some Leviticus for you douchebag.

Leviticus 19:27 - Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.

You are going to hell, ya poopstain.


I don't know what that even means.

Does it say anything about trimming thine hedges?
 
2014-03-24 07:04:16 PM  

Trocadero:


Sure - just don't look at the contents to closely. Who knew there where so many agents that caused testitular atrophy?
 
2014-03-24 07:04:38 PM  
I don't see the problem.  The Bible clearly states in many instances, without equivocation, that women should be silent in church and should be subservient to men at all times.
 
2014-03-24 07:06:30 PM  

timujin: Hey, he's right, the Bible does say that.  So, ladies, if you want to follow this archaic fairy tale as your life's rulebook, shut your farking mouths and learn from your husbands.

Of course, if you're a sensible, intelligent person, then maybe, just maybe, you should think about what this religion you follow says and realize that it's outdated and unnecessary for living a good life.


Good quote to use the next time any woman tries to get all churchy with me.
 
2014-03-24 07:06:46 PM  

ElLoco: PapaChester: I got some Leviticus for you douchebag.

Leviticus 19:27 - Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.

You are going to hell, ya poopstain.

I don't know what that even means.

Does it say anything about trimming thine hedges?


Leviticus 28:1 says, Lo, trim thine hedges, front and back, for truly then shall thy recieve the blessings of the Lord.
 
2014-03-24 07:07:10 PM  

Dumski: Satanic_Hamster: Dumski: [img.fark.net image 313x233][img.fark.net image 350x278]
Apparently this is what Arizona DPS and US Border Patrol thinks of him

HA HAH, really?  He's cuffed in those photos too?

Yup. Heres the LINK to the news article.


That's the poorest excuse for journalism I've seen in some time. Also, the tender piano music that accompanies the border patrol video is a nice touch.
 
2014-03-24 07:07:18 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: The founder of the International Church of the Foursquare Gospel would disagree with him. That is, if she was still alive.


Get behind me, Satan. :p
 
2014-03-24 07:07:23 PM  

ElLoco: PapaChester: I got some Leviticus for you douchebag.

Leviticus 19:27 - Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.

You are going to hell, ya poopstain.

I don't know what that even means.

Does it say anything about trimming thine hedges?


Nobody does. That's why you get some people with just the curly sideburns and some people who don't risk it and keep the whole thing.
 
2014-03-24 07:07:26 PM  

CheetahOlivetti: scottydoesntknow:
Oh, wow:
Because of years and years of looking at and touching scores of women inappropriately, the male gynecologist no doubt has a seared conscience and a perverted mind (I will not go into detail of what goes on in the doctor's office for decency's sake, but any woman who has been there knows what I am referring to.).  His view of women and the marital bed has certainly been warped by his indecent involvement with countless women.


Second wow: My father was an OB/GYN for 40 years. I guess he had a great old time!
 
2014-03-24 07:08:06 PM  

Slaxl: worlddan: Because Bible? How about because fact. A woman cannot say "amen" because she is not in fact male, she is female.So she should say "awomen"?


That's "awomyn," you phallocentric, heteronormative, rape-culture promoting male-creature!
genderben.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-03-24 07:08:46 PM  
SS investigate the thousands of people who marched around with kill Bush signs?
 
2014-03-24 07:09:02 PM  

atomic-age:  the tender piano music that accompanies the border patrol video is a nice touch.


Two gringos, one cop?
 
2014-03-24 07:09:13 PM  

atomic-age: flondrix: CheetahOlivetti: Oh, wow:
Because of years and years of looking at and touching scores of women inappropriately, the male gynecologist no doubt has a seared conscience and a perverted mind (I will not go into detail of what goes on in the doctor's office for decency's sake, but any woman who has been there knows what I am referring to.).  His view of women and the marital bed has certainly been warped by his indecent involvement with countless women.

He doesn't out-and-out say whether he approves of women becoming gynecologists, either.  Since that would involve them attending universities and working outside of the home, I'm going to guess "no".

Frankly, women's nether parts should never be shown in the light of day, to male or female. If a woman gets cervical cancer, it's just God's will.


Obviously.  If you are good and chaste, God blesses you with a rape-baby.  If you are a whore, you get cancer of the hoo-hah.

Was that too complicated for your little lady-brain?
 
2014-03-24 07:09:46 PM  

pippi longstocking: Just more hate blanketed by religion because religion is always good...right?


Unless it's a painfully obvious troll I have never seen someone say that all religion is good on here, but boy are there plenty who say that all religion is bad. I assume that ill-fitting fedoras cause one to lash out.
 
2014-03-24 07:10:03 PM  
damn, being lost on that island made him quite the sexist douche....

someone should remind him that he is dead
 
2014-03-24 07:11:07 PM  

Dragonflew: atomic-age:  the tender piano music that accompanies the border patrol video is a nice touch.

Two gringos, one cop?


I never did see him get tazed, but I was rooting for it to happen. I have no idea if he had drugs in his car; I just think he's an epic douche. Seems like it would take more years to reach critical douche mass. That guy seems too young for it.
 
2014-03-24 07:11:55 PM  

Rambino: atomic-age: flondrix: CheetahOlivetti: Oh, wow:
Because of years and years of looking at and touching scores of women inappropriately, the male gynecologist no doubt has a seared conscience and a perverted mind (I will not go into detail of what goes on in the doctor's office for decency's sake, but any woman who has been there knows what I am referring to.).  His view of women and the marital bed has certainly been warped by his indecent involvement with countless women.

He doesn't out-and-out say whether he approves of women becoming gynecologists, either.  Since that would involve them attending universities and working outside of the home, I'm going to guess "no".

Frankly, women's nether parts should never be shown in the light of day, to male or female. If a woman gets cervical cancer, it's just God's will.

Obviously.  If you are good and chaste, God blesses you with a rape-baby.  If you are a whore, you get cancer of the hoo-hah.

Was that too complicated for your little lady-brain?


Everything is.
 
2014-03-24 07:13:02 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Actually, yes, yes it does.

:0


First they came for the doucebags, and I said something because I can be pretty douchey.
 
2014-03-24 07:13:54 PM  
I swear if it wasn't against my religion I would start my own religion.
 
2014-03-24 07:14:11 PM  
The bible says one time that "homosexuality is an abomination"

The bible says one time that women are to be "commanded under obedience"

Where are the Republican congressmen speaking out against this crumbling of traditional Christian family values?
 
2014-03-24 07:15:48 PM  

atomic-age: Dragonflew: atomic-age:  the tender piano music that accompanies the border patrol video is a nice touch.

Two gringos, one cop?

I never did see him get tazed, but I was rooting for it to happen. I have no idea if he had drugs in his car; I just think he's an epic douche. Seems like it would take more years to reach critical douche mass. That guy seems too young for it.


*shrug* I didn't see the video. My comment was based on the tender piano music that accompanies another video I have never seen.
 
2014-03-24 07:17:54 PM  

Dumski: Satanic_Hamster: Dumski: [img.fark.net image 313x233][img.fark.net image 350x278]
Apparently this is what Arizona DPS and US Border Patrol thinks of him

HA HAH, really?  He's cuffed in those photos too?

Yup. Heres the LINK to the news article.


According to that link he's an "American civil rights crusader," so maybe it's not such a reliable source.
 
2014-03-24 07:18:12 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Holy shiat, his website is derp x 11.

Apparently he also feels that the government should systematically put all homosexuals to death.


Tss, nice inflammatory interpretation, scotty. I'm sure he didn't actually say that.

*click*

Author's Note: I have never called for people to rise up and kill homosexuals. I believe that the GOVERNMENT should put them to death as the Bible lays out in Leviticus 20:13. We as Christians should NOT accept homosexuals. Am I going to harm homosexuals? NO. Should they be put to death by the legitimate authorities (i.e. our government). YES

Holy shiat, he did say exactly that. WTF.
 
2014-03-24 07:19:54 PM  

Dumski: New Age Redneck: Douchebag tag? Someone with the PS skills, please.

Okay.
[img.fark.net image 480x360]


He looks like someone who needs to get a powerful nad-kick from a woman.
 
2014-03-24 07:21:52 PM  

Dumski: [img.fark.net image 313x233][img.fark.net image 350x278]
Apparently this is what Arizona DPS and US Border Patrol thinks of him


img.fark.net

Aw. Po bay-bee! What did he do to deserve this particular beatdown? I need a reason to laugh even harder.
 
2014-03-24 07:23:34 PM  
He should try reading the Book of Numbers.  See: Deborah.
 
2014-03-24 07:24:09 PM  
Actually this was one of the first cracks in my losing my faith.

I wondered how women could talk in church or be pastors in any Christian denomination and was given lots of dodges and explanations but they were bullshiat justification. The holy book says that they can't. I asked "So we don't have to follow everything the Bible says?" They will do mental gymnastics for hours to explain how some things are to be followed but ignoring some is OK but it is pretty weak justification.
 
2014-03-24 07:24:27 PM  
Want to know what's ironic? Women in Iran have more nerve to fight back against oppressive religious asswipes than the women in the USA do!


http://www.fark.com/comments/7337156/Iranian-cleric-chastises-woman- fo r-being-badly-covered-ends-up-being-thoroughly-covered-in-Whupass
 
2014-03-24 07:26:21 PM  
i939.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-24 07:27:36 PM  
Starshines:

According to that link he's an "American civil rights crusader," so maybe it's not such a reliable source.

Yeah. I posted the link to the larger photo which got the shiatty article. Here is a better article.
 
2014-03-24 07:30:50 PM  
I'm sure the vast majority of those stepford wives obediently complied.

/DNRTFA
 
2014-03-24 07:32:27 PM  

Close2TheEdge: ZeroPly: Some 'Splainin' To Do: I'm convinced that most people find exactly the god that they want to worship. This man was looking for one that was as small and evil-minded has he is and, surprise!, that's exactly the sort of god he found.

Well, he is quoting directly out of the Bible, and there doesn't seem to be any controversy that the Bible actually says all that. Shouldn't the burden be on the other Christians to justify why they don't follow that part of the Bible?

Although he is a despicable person, this guy gets a grudging respect from me.  He's an asshole.  He's archaic, misogynistic, self-righteous, and is not afraid to say exactly the crap that infects his sorry little rattletrap of a brain.  But he is HONEST.  He doesn't try to hide his true nature in a series of carefully worded statements like other "Christians" of his ilk.  He believes his shiat and challenges his audience to accept or reject it.


Something to be said for being honest.

This is what the Bible says. If the Bible is the word of God, these are his words.
 
2014-03-24 07:33:25 PM  
Crap, now I'm conflicted. He's a douche, no doubt. But, he refused to "play ball" at an internal immigration checkpoint. He got a nice tasering and a beat down for standing up for his rights. I guess Hitler may have been nice to dogs.
 
2014-03-24 07:33:41 PM  

FatherChaos: "[l]et the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence."

The response to this will be epic.

[img.pandawhale.com image 350x191]


this right here is why Catholics want to burn heretics at the stake

//I am your lawful Duke and you will obey
 
2014-03-24 07:35:42 PM  

Dumski: Satanic_Hamster: Dumski: [img.fark.net image 313x233][img.fark.net image 350x278]
Apparently this is what Arizona DPS and US Border Patrol thinks of him

HA HAH, really?  He's cuffed in those photos too?

Yup. Heres the LINK to the news article.


I may think he's a total douche-nugget when it comes to religion and women's rights, but I have to agree with his stance when it comes to a border patrol checkpoint over a hundred miles from an actual border and using a drug sniffing dog to "tag" him.  Drug dogs do exactly what their handlers want them to do.  So of course they got a hit when he refused to let search his vehicle.
 
2014-03-24 07:37:24 PM  
I'd love the see the expressions (or lack thereof) on the faces of the people to which he is preaching.
 
2014-03-24 07:37:35 PM  

NightOwl2255: [i939.photobucket.com image 850x531]


If you didn't live here in America
You'd probably live
Somewhere else
 
2014-03-24 07:41:32 PM  

NightOwl2255: Crap, now I'm conflicted. He's a douche, no doubt. But, he refused to "play ball" at an internal immigration checkpoint. He got a nice tasering and a beat down for standing up for his rights. I guess Hitler may have been nice to dogs.


OgreMagi:
I may think he's a total douche-nugget when it comes to religion and women's rights, but I have to agree with his stance when it comes to a border patrol checkpoint over a hundred miles from an actual border and using a drug sniffing dog to "tag" him.  Drug dogs do exactly what their handlers want them to do.  So of course they got a hit when he refused to let search his vehicle.

You have to remember that incident was in 2009. He has now had time to refine his priorities to be more specifically religiously bent. He's just maturing in his hatred. That's all.
 
2014-03-24 07:42:01 PM  

atomic-age: NightOwl2255: [i939.photobucket.com image 850x531]

If you didn't live here in America
You'd probably live
Somewhere else


No way, man! I would never live anywhere but here.


//At Sky David's juke joint of joy reports, forty under the console giggle stick ling cod, twenty-three purple perches four sledgehammerhead sharks, and no red snappers.
 
2014-03-24 07:42:13 PM  

ZeroPly: Some 'Splainin' To Do: I'm convinced that most people find exactly the god that they want to worship. This man was looking for one that was as small and evil-minded has he is and, surprise!, that's exactly the sort of god he found.

Well, he is quoting directly out of the Bible, and there doesn't seem to be any controversy that the Bible actually says all that. Shouldn't the burden be on the other Christians to justify why they don't follow that part of the Bible?


For the same reason most Christians eat meat with dairy and wear mixed fibers.  All Christians pick and choose which parts of the Bible to follow.  Sadly, a lot of Christians are too ignorant of the Bible to even know which parts they're ignoring.  The more well-read (in terms of reading the Bible and books about it) and less hypocritical ones at least admit it.

There's also a general belief among many Christians that they are permitted to disregard the Old Testament and only concern themselves about the New Testament.  Since the verse in question is from 1 Timothy (which is in the New Testament), however, it's not so simple as saying "We can ignore it because it's in the Old Testament."
 
2014-03-24 07:43:10 PM  

OgreMagi: Dumski: Satanic_Hamster: Dumski: [img.fark.net image 313x233][img.fark.net image 350x278]
Apparently this is what Arizona DPS and US Border Patrol thinks of him

HA HAH, really?  He's cuffed in those photos too?

Yup. Heres the LINK to the news article.

I may think he's a total douche-nugget when it comes to religion and women's rights, but I have to agree with his stance when it comes to a border patrol checkpoint over a hundred miles from an actual border and using a drug sniffing dog to "tag" him.  Drug dogs do exactly what their handlers want them to do.  So of course they got a hit when he refused to let search his vehicle.


Yeah. It's difficult to work up any sympathy for a twatwaffle getting his ass whupped, but from what I can tell that particular instance of twatwafflery didn't deserve anything like that response.
 
2014-03-24 07:43:27 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: JoieD'Zen: I cannot believe these clowns get sheep to herd. WTF is wrong with people?

I can't believe that most of his congregation didn't just walk out.  What a jackass.


or at least the women provided they did it quietly.ssshhhh!
 
2014-03-24 07:45:36 PM  

Dumski: Satanic_Hamster: Dumski: [img.fark.net image 313x233][img.fark.net image 350x278]
Apparently this is what Arizona DPS and US Border Patrol thinks of him

HA HAH, really?  He's cuffed in those photos too?

Yup. Heres the LINK to the news article.


FTA: "It wouldn't be a stretch to say that Steven Anderson is an American Civil Rights crusader."

Yes.  Yes, it would.
 
2014-03-24 07:46:13 PM  

ciberido: ZeroPly: Some 'Splainin' To Do: I'm convinced that most people find exactly the god that they want to worship. This man was looking for one that was as small and evil-minded has he is and, surprise!, that's exactly the sort of god he found.

Well, he is quoting directly out of the Bible, and there doesn't seem to be any controversy that the Bible actually says all that. Shouldn't the burden be on the other Christians to justify why they don't follow that part of the Bible?

For the same reason most Christians eat meat with dairy and wear mixed fibers.  All Christians pick and choose which parts of the Bible to follow.  Sadly, a lot of Christians are too ignorant of the Bible to even know which parts they're ignoring.  The more well-read (in terms of reading the Bible and books about it) and less hypocritical ones at least admit it.

There's also a general belief among many Christians that they are permitted to disregard the Old Testament and only concern themselves about the New Testament.  Since the verse in question is from 1 Timothy (which is in the New Testament), however, it's not so simple as saying "We can ignore it because it's in the Old Testament."


the biblical quote in question had to do with Men and Women seated separately. then the wives talking across the aisle ask their husbands what does this mean every time the priest said something. so in this one limited instance the women were told to hold their questions for later.
 
2014-03-24 07:49:25 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Holy shiat, his website is derp x 11.

Apparently he also feels that the government should systematically put all homosexuals to death.


You know who else wanted to do that. Next thing you know, this Pastor will build railroads and ship the gays out to other states, like Nevada....
 
2014-03-24 07:49:37 PM  

peacheslatour: He should try reading the Book of Numbers.  See: Deborah.


What about her? As others have already pointed out, the Bible explicitly agrees with him:


RightWingWacko: 1 Corinthians 14:34

Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but  they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

 
2014-03-24 07:52:17 PM  
Free speech biatches. If the people don't like it they are free to leave the congregation.

You can't regulate stupidity when it doesn't affect anyone else.
 
2014-03-24 07:53:52 PM  

Dumski: NightOwl2255: Crap, now I'm conflicted. He's a douche, no doubt. But, he refused to "play ball" at an internal immigration checkpoint. He got a nice tasering and a beat down for standing up for his rights. I guess Hitler may have been nice to dogs.

OgreMagi:
I may think he's a total douche-nugget when it comes to religion and women's rights, but I have to agree with his stance when it comes to a border patrol checkpoint over a hundred miles from an actual border and using a drug sniffing dog to "tag" him.  Drug dogs do exactly what their handlers want them to do.  So of course they got a hit when he refused to let search his vehicle.

You have to remember that incident was in 2009. He has now had time to refine his priorities to be more specifically religiously bent. He's just maturing in his hatred. That's all.


Doesn't matter.  He was well within his rights to refuse to allow the Feds to violate his civil rights.  Being an asshole doesn't take away your Constitutional Rights.
 
2014-03-24 07:54:14 PM  
Someone needs to call him out for cutting his hair, because, you know, the Bible.
 
2014-03-24 07:54:35 PM  
A pastor who actually preaches consistent belief in the bible? Outrageous! Everyone knows a 21st century pastor is supposed to preach only on the parts of the bible people agree with.
 
2014-03-24 07:54:46 PM  

macross87: scottydoesntknow: Holy shiat, his website is derp x 11.

Apparently he also feels that the government should systematically put all homosexuals to death.

You know who else wanted to do that. Next thing you know, this Pastor will build railroads and ship the gays out to other states, like Nevada....


No, North Carolina.   They've been working on the concentration camps.
 
2014-03-24 07:56:04 PM  

vodka: You can't regulate stupidity when it doesn't affect anyone else.


I think once you start calling for the government to put millions of people to death, you've crossed into "affects someone else" territory.
 
2014-03-24 07:58:02 PM  
He's right, it says so very plainly in the bible.  According to the bible, women should know their place and be silent and submissive to men.

Also, this is one of about a thousand reasons why Christianity is dumb.
 
2014-03-24 07:59:19 PM  

ciberido: I think once you start calling for the government to put millions of people to death, you've crossed into "affects someone else" territory.


If the government starts listening to random pastors in some pissant church we have bigger problems
 
2014-03-24 08:04:06 PM  

atomic-age: That's the poorest excuse for journalism I've seen in some time. Also, the tender piano music that accompanies the border patrol video is a nice touch.


I like how the "author" referred to him as a civil rights activist.

And not, say, an attention whore or borderline soverign citizen.
 
2014-03-24 08:09:00 PM  

OgreMagi: I may think he's a total douche-nugget when it comes to religion and women's rights, but I have to agree with his stance when it comes to a border patrol checkpoint over a hundred miles from an actual border and using a drug sniffing dog to "tag" him.  Drug dogs do exactly what their handlers want them to do.  So of course they got a hit when he refused to let search his vehicle.


And while I agree with you, at the boarder isn't the place to contest that, especially by force.  If you try to physically resist police like that, you have a good chance of getting at minimum tazed, bro.
 
2014-03-24 08:10:07 PM  
I don't think he's ever read the Bible.
 
2014-03-24 08:10:57 PM  
In his defense, he is following the book. And, while I believe religious freedom should be prove ted, I also believe that religion makes people stupid and mean. Because, evidence.
 
2014-03-24 08:19:05 PM  
So when do you Christians stop calling yourselves Christians and start calling yourselves Paulites?
 
2014-03-24 08:20:01 PM  
No thanks...you all can have that religion all to yourselves!
 
2014-03-24 08:28:20 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: atomic-age: That's the poorest excuse for journalism I've seen in some time. Also, the tender piano music that accompanies the border patrol video is a nice touch.

I like how the "author" referred to him as a civil rights activist.

And not, say, an attention whore or borderline soverign citizen.


And capitalized "civil rights" too.
 
2014-03-24 08:31:41 PM  

Pattuq: I don't think he's ever read the Bible.


Clearly he has because it explicitly agrees with him, as has been pointed out repeatedly in this thread:


RightWingWacko: 1 Corinthians 14:34

Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but  they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

 
2014-03-24 08:36:59 PM  
Arizona scares me. It's a beautiful state but the people are super Christians.
 
2014-03-24 08:39:08 PM  
One, any time I hear 'wack job xtian' I know the word 'baptist' will soon follow.

Two, I don't know who this Jeremiah Grimm guy is in the comments on TFA, but I want to subscribe to his newsletter.
 
2014-03-24 08:40:01 PM  

4seasons85!: Arizona scares me. It's a beautiful state but the people are super Christians.


You mean "super old"?
 
2014-03-24 08:44:36 PM  
According to the Bible (using NRSV here), when asked what the greatest commandment was, Jesus replied "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind." This is the greatest and first commandment." (Matthew 22:37-38)  He then went on to add a second commandment, without really being asked: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."  (39)

A quick reading of the Parable of the Good Samaritan shows that by "neighbor" Jesus pretty much meant "everyone."

Skip over to Paul, who tells the Corinthians that "love is not boastful or envious or arrogant or rude.  It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful." (1 Cor 13:4-5)

If we take those in concert, how in the bleepity bleeping bleep do we end up with this loony?
 
2014-03-24 09:10:45 PM  

SirPeteTheGreat: According to the Bible (using NRSV here), when asked what the greatest commandment was, Jesus replied "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind." This is the greatest and first commandment." (Matthew 22:37-38)  He then went on to add a second commandment, without really being asked: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."  (39)

A quick reading of the Parable of the Good Samaritan shows that by "neighbor" Jesus pretty much meant "everyone."

Skip over to Paul, who tells the Corinthians that "love is not boastful or envious or arrogant or rude.  It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful." (1 Cor 13:4-5)

If we take those in concert, how in the bleepity bleeping bleep do we end up with this loony?


So loving your neighbor means everyone can do whatever he or she wants? If you believe the bible it's disingenuous to suggest that two general statements spliced together somehow trump an explicit statement. It may be politically incorrect, but the bible does indeed say exactly what he's teaching.

If you don't believe the bible then why are you concerned about what's going on in a church you don't go to? You can reject what he's teaching as silly, archaic, misguided or idiotic, but if you don't believe the bible and he does, why are you surprised that you don't agree on things?
 
2014-03-24 09:12:42 PM  
Jesus would be appalled.
 
2014-03-24 09:14:20 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: OgreMagi: I may think he's a total douche-nugget when it comes to religion and women's rights, but I have to agree with his stance when it comes to a border patrol checkpoint over a hundred miles from an actual border and using a drug sniffing dog to "tag" him.  Drug dogs do exactly what their handlers want them to do.  So of course they got a hit when he refused to let search his vehicle.

And while I agree with you, at the boarder isn't the place to contest that, especially by force.  If you try to physically resist police like that, you have a good chance of getting at minimum tazed, bro.


He wasn't at the border.  He was over 100 miles from the border.
 
2014-03-24 09:21:45 PM  

SirPeteTheGreat: According to the Bible .....

Skip over to Paul, who tells the Corinthians that "love is not boastful or envious or arrogant or rude.  It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful." (1 Cor 13:4-5)

If we take those in concert, how in the bleepity bleeping bleep do we end up with this loony?


Typo in the Bible. Study it out.
 
2014-03-24 09:24:18 PM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: I'm convinced that most people find exactly the god that they want to worship. This man was looking for one that was as small and evil-minded has he is and, surprise!, that's exactly the sort of god he found.


It always fascinates me how people like this guy deliberately overlook women like Esther, Ruth, Rahab, Deborah, Tamar, Anna (two or three of whom are listed in the genealogy of Christ, one of whom was the first known prophet according to the accounts that were written by Jewish men to see Christ as an infant--and under Mosaic law, one could not be called a prophet without proof on pain of death) and so many others. It fascinates me even more how they deliberately overlook the sins of Abraham (the friend of God), David (the man after God's own heart) and even Moses (God's Lawgiver) while holding the women up as evil and the men up as paragons of virtue.

Mr. Anderson might want to consider reading the Koine Greek of the passage he's quoting. Because the way so many denominations choose to interpret it, as handed down by the piss-poor King James translation, is not what the Koine Greek or the more than 25000 original manuscripts in 20 different languages actually says. The King James translation is widely regarded as one of the worst translations in existence, one that was commissioned and translated to support a certain religious view.
 
2014-03-24 09:27:11 PM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: Some 'Splainin' To Do: I'm convinced that most people find exactly the god that they want to worship. This man was looking for one that was as small and evil-minded has he is and, surprise!, that's exactly the sort of god he found.

"Gods by the bushel!  Gods by the Pound!  Gods for all occasions!"
--Ambassador Londo Mollari, Centauri Republic

/"But in Purple, I'm *Stunning*!" (*thud*)


"AH! He has become one with his true self."

/He's passed out drunk
//that too.
 
2014-03-24 09:29:42 PM  
Far too many people to include here, so some will miss it, but for those of us who don't do the "biblical inerrancy" dance (and there are a lot of us, we just don't show up in the news because we're really kinda boring next to guys like Fred Phelps), its simple enough.

If you read Paul's letters there are several clearly written by him, some that might be, and others that aren't. In the genuine article, Paul is often clearly speaking very kindly of various women who look to be leaders or at least prominent in their local churches. The stuff about women keeping silent often pops up in non-Pauline letters and in Corinthians 1 it is believed by many to be a later insertion and not original, thus we can safely ignore it.

/yes we do pick and choose, because d-bags have been messing with the text for a long time.
 
2014-03-24 09:31:53 PM  

OgreMagi: Satanic_Hamster: OgreMagi: I may think he's a total douche-nugget when it comes to religion and women's rights, but I have to agree with his stance when it comes to a border patrol checkpoint over a hundred miles from an actual border and using a drug sniffing dog to "tag" him.  Drug dogs do exactly what their handlers want them to do.  So of course they got a hit when he refused to let search his vehicle.

And while I agree with you, at the boarder isn't the place to contest that, especially by force.  If you try to physically resist police like that, you have a good chance of getting at minimum tazed, bro.

He wasn't at the border.  He was over 100 miles from the border.


I have this sneaking suspicion that this God-fearin' "civil rights" activist is one of those who, when the shoe is on the other foot, tells anyone within earshot that you're supposed to do what the police tell you to do, when they tell you to do it, and only those who have something to hide have something to fear. I seriously doubt that, if you showed him a similar video with a person of a more melanistic hue standing up for his rights as vigorously as the Pastor did, that he would say anything remotely in support of his brother in arms.
 
2014-03-24 09:36:12 PM  

Gyrfalcon: OgreMagi: Satanic_Hamster: OgreMagi: I may think he's a total douche-nugget when it comes to religion and women's rights, but I have to agree with his stance when it comes to a border patrol checkpoint over a hundred miles from an actual border and using a drug sniffing dog to "tag" him.  Drug dogs do exactly what their handlers want them to do.  So of course they got a hit when he refused to let search his vehicle.

And while I agree with you, at the boarder isn't the place to contest that, especially by force.  If you try to physically resist police like that, you have a good chance of getting at minimum tazed, bro.

He wasn't at the border.  He was over 100 miles from the border.

I have this sneaking suspicion that this God-fearin' "civil rights" activist is one of those who, when the shoe is on the other foot, tells anyone within earshot that you're supposed to do what the police tell you to do, when they tell you to do it, and only those who have something to hide have something to fear. I seriously doubt that, if you showed him a similar video with a person of a more melanistic hue standing up for his rights as vigorously as the Pastor did, that he would say anything remotely in support of his brother in arms.


I don't doubt it one bit. But he was still in the right and the police violated the law.

If we allow the police to ignore the Constitution with people we despise, we open the door for them to do the same with us.
 
2014-03-24 09:45:37 PM  

OgreMagi: I don't doubt it one bit. But he was still in the right and the police violated the law.

If we allow the police to ignore the Constitution with people we despise, we open the door for them to do the same with us.


But, again though...  AT THE TRAFFIC STOP ISN'T THE PLACE TO DO THAT.  You can NOT physically resist police under that circumstance.  I'm willing to bet that not once in the history of the America, maybe in Western Civiliziation, that a citizen has come out ahead by trying to physically stop the police from violating their search rights by physical resistance.
 
2014-03-24 09:50:21 PM  

JammerJim: /yes we do pick and choose, because d-bags have been messing with the text for a long time.


I'd be more inclined to believe that this is the actual reason if the picking and choosing didn't tend to happen exactly where the person doing the choosing wanted. It's a pretty amazing coincidence.
 
2014-03-24 09:52:20 PM  

generallyso: peacheslatour: He should try reading the Book of Numbers.  See: Deborah.

What about her? As others have already pointed out, the Bible explicitly agrees with him:


RightWingWacko: 1 Corinthians 14:34

Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but  they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.


The Bible explicitly agrees with whatever you want it to.
 
2014-03-24 10:26:26 PM  

atomic-age: flondrix: CheetahOlivetti: Oh, wow:
Because of years and years of looking at and touching scores of women inappropriately, the male gynecologist no doubt has a seared conscience and a perverted mind (I will not go into detail of what goes on in the doctor's office for decency's sake, but any woman who has been there knows what I am referring to.).  His view of women and the marital bed has certainly been warped by his indecent involvement with countless women.

He doesn't out-and-out say whether he approves of women becoming gynecologists, either.  Since that would involve them attending universities and working outside of the home, I'm going to guess "no".

Frankly, women's nether parts should never be shown in the light of day, to male or female. If a woman gets cervical cancer, it's just God's will.


i58.tinypic.com
 
2014-03-24 10:30:17 PM  

JesseL: Did we learn nothing from Fred Phelps?

If this douchnozzle keeps getting attention he's only going to get worse. Don't feed the trolls is even better advice in real life than on the internet.


Actually I think the reverse is true

The more public spotlight on the idiot fringe of Christianity, the more people realize how dumb the religion actually is

Give them the rope to hang themselves with ....
 
2014-03-24 10:43:15 PM  
The church I attended is pretty cool. I have never heard the Minister say anything bad about gay people, Muslims,  Democrats, Republicans women or anybody else, the message each week is always positive.
Each day the church building is used in some way, AA, NA, bible study. Homeless people are welcome and on Saturday morning there is a breakfast for people in need. The church is involved in other community outreach activities such as a prison outreach program and the church helps orphans in Mexico. I like to go because it's a laid back church where I can wear shorts, flip flops and a hawaiian shirt, the church is in Pacific Beach California and after services there is coffee and snacks. I enjoy going to church with my wife and sometimes we take our grandchildren with us.To my knowledge the Minister has never been on television or quoted in the papers for anything remotely controversial. The point is there are many more churches like one I attend and not like the church in the article.
 
2014-03-24 10:53:41 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: OgreMagi: I don't doubt it one bit. But he was still in the right and the police violated the law.

If we allow the police to ignore the Constitution with people we despise, we open the door for them to do the same with us.

But, again though...  AT THE TRAFFIC STOP ISN'T THE PLACE TO DO THAT.  You can NOT physically resist police under that circumstance.  I'm willing to bet that not once in the history of the America, maybe in Western Civiliziation, that a citizen has come out ahead by trying to physically stop the police from violating their search rights by physical resistance.


Depends on how you resist.  Yes, physically resisting and starting a fight is a very bad idea.  You'll only get the shiat kicked out of you.  If you are lucky, you might get a big payout, but I figure the odds are pretty high that you will die or suffer permanent injury in the process.  Not worth it.  However, refusing to consent and being "uncooperative" is your right and when the cop crosses that line, even with assholes like this, they need to be removed from their position of authority on a permanent basis.
 
2014-03-24 11:03:43 PM  
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2014-03-24 11:06:05 PM  

JammerJim: /yes we do pick and choose, because d-bags have been messing with the text for a long time.


So the Bible is the Word of God, scribed by man but inspired by God.

Except the parts that are inconvenient or you don't like. Those were "messed with".
 
2014-03-24 11:20:20 PM  

JoieD'Zen: I cannot believe these clowns get sheep to herd. WTF is wrong with people?


"I see a propensity for obesity. Poverty. A yen for fairy tales. Folks puttin' what few bucks they do have into a little wicker basket being passed around. I think it's safe to say nobody here's gonna be splitting the atom, Marty."
 
2014-03-24 11:41:31 PM  

jst3p: JammerJim: /yes we do pick and choose, because d-bags have been messing with the text for a long time.

So the Bible is the Word of God, scribed by man but inspired by God.

Except the parts that are inconvenient or you don't like. Those were "messed with".


You know how I know you don't know about historical-critical and textual analysis as applied to the Bible?
 
2014-03-24 11:52:07 PM  

DmGdDawg: SirPeteTheGreat: According to the Bible (using NRSV here), when asked what the greatest commandment was, Jesus replied "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind." This is the greatest and first commandment." (Matthew 22:37-38)  He then went on to add a second commandment, without really being asked: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."  (39)

A quick reading of the Parable of the Good Samaritan shows that by "neighbor" Jesus pretty much meant "everyone."

Skip over to Paul, who tells the Corinthians that "love is not boastful or envious or arrogant or rude.  It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful." (1 Cor 13:4-5)

If we take those in concert, how in the bleepity bleeping bleep do we end up with this loony?

So loving your neighbor means everyone can do whatever he or she wants? If you believe the bible it's disingenuous to suggest that two general statements spliced together somehow trump an explicit statement. It may be politically incorrect, but the bible does indeed say exactly what he's teaching.

If you don't believe the bible then why are you concerned about what's going on in a church you don't go to? You can reject what he's teaching as silly, archaic, misguided or idiotic, but if you don't believe the bible and he does, why are you surprised that you don't agree on things?


Loving my neighbor does not mean letting them get away with anything.  It does mean I shouldn't be rude, it does mean I shouldn't picket their funerals, and it certainly does mean that I am to avoid incendiary language, hateful propaganda, and that sort of thing.

I believe the Bible holds some truths, and not a lot of facts.  The reason I am concerned about the viewpoints our preacher espouses is the possibility that some of that vitriol may get embodied in law if we aren't careful.  I don't want this country to turn into a "Christian" version of Afghanistan.

If I am feeding a troll, whatever.  The things I wrote are intended, whether the fellow who's fark name is unpronounceable is a troll or otherwise.
 
2014-03-25 12:04:51 AM  
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2014-03-25 12:20:34 AM  

JammerJim: jst3p: JammerJim: /yes we do pick and choose, because d-bags have been messing with the text for a long time.

So the Bible is the Word of God, scribed by man but inspired by God.

Except the parts that are inconvenient or you don't like. Those were "messed with".

You know how I know you don't know about historical-critical and textual analysis as applied to the Bible?


I don't know much about historical-critical and textual analysis as applied to Mother Goose either.
 
2014-03-25 01:08:36 AM  

OgreMagi: Satanic_Hamster: OgreMagi: I don't doubt it one bit. But he was still in the right and the police violated the law.

If we allow the police to ignore the Constitution with people we despise, we open the door for them to do the same with us.

But, again though...  AT THE TRAFFIC STOP ISN'T THE PLACE TO DO THAT.  You can NOT physically resist police under that circumstance.  I'm willing to bet that not once in the history of the America, maybe in Western Civiliziation, that a citizen has come out ahead by trying to physically stop the police from violating their search rights by physical resistance.

Depends on how you resist.  Yes, physically resisting and starting a fight is a very bad idea.  You'll only get the shiat kicked out of you.  If you are lucky, you might get a big payout, but I figure the odds are pretty high that you will die or suffer permanent injury in the process.  Not worth it.  However, refusing to consent and being "uncooperative" is your right and when the cop crosses that line, even with assholes like this, they need to be removed from their position of authority on a permanent basis.


Being uncoooperative and refusing to consent will also get the shiat kicked out of you, as both this asshole and countless others have discovered. If the cop is in the wrong and you know it and can prove it--like this guy could, or so he claimed--then you shut the f*ck up, get out of your car, get arrested, and let your lawyer have the evidence your wife was keeping back in the vehicle. You DON'T sit in the car and say "Oh yeah coppers! Come in and get me!" because the cops WILL come in and get you, and now you are most definitely in the wrong for resisting arrest.

As soon as the cop says "You are under arrest," then all bets are off--whatever other b/s charges they have against you (speeding, drunk driving, a dope dog "alerting" on your car), if you don't acquiesce, then they've got you for resisting arrest. I don't like it any more than you men do; but that's the way the law is rolling right now. And the only way to permanently remove them from authority, as you would like, is to let them arrest you--lawfully--so you can challenge the UN-lawful grounds for that arrest in court.

Otherwise, you're in court trying to explain to an unsympathetic judge why you didn't comply with the officer "Well, you see, the grounds for arrest were wrong--" "Yes, but he told you you were under arrest, didn't he?" "Yes, but he never told me why--" "But once he said that, why didn't you obey his commands?" And so on. You cannot win that argument either.
 
2014-03-25 01:26:33 AM  

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The evolution of ninjas?
 
2014-03-25 01:27:34 AM  

Gyrfalcon: As soon as the cop says "You are under arrest," then all bets are off--whatever other b/s charges they have against you (speeding, drunk driving, a dope dog "alerting" on your car), if you don't acquiesce, then they've got you for resisting arrest. I don't like it any more than you men do; but that's the way the law is rolling right now. And the only way to permanently remove them from authority, as you would like, is to let them arrest you--lawfully--so you can challenge the UN-lawful grounds for that arrest in court.


As my Father always told me, "You can beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride."
 
2014-03-25 01:34:25 AM  
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2014-03-25 01:38:02 AM  

Man On Pink Corner: So when do you Christians stop calling yourselves Christians and start calling yourselves Paulites?


This point isn't brought up nearly enough. The red highlighted portions of The Bible are really the only parts I concern myself too much with--and even then those specific books were picked out by a bunch of old dudes centuries ago as "the important ones." If learning directly from Jesus puts you as much at odds with his teachings as the apostles instructions show, imagine all the crap that's happened since.
 
2014-03-25 01:47:25 AM  

Thunderpipes: SS investigate the thousands of people who marched around with kill Bush signs?


B-bu-but BUSH!!

/Oh, and citation needed
 
2014-03-25 01:51:47 AM  

Gyrfalcon: OgreMagi: Satanic_Hamster: OgreMagi: I don't doubt it one bit. But he was still in the right and the police violated the law.

If we allow the police to ignore the Constitution with people we despise, we open the door for them to do the same with us.

But, again though...  AT THE TRAFFIC STOP ISN'T THE PLACE TO DO THAT.  You can NOT physically resist police under that circumstance.  I'm willing to bet that not once in the history of the America, maybe in Western Civiliziation, that a citizen has come out ahead by trying to physically stop the police from violating their search rights by physical resistance.

Depends on how you resist.  Yes, physically resisting and starting a fight is a very bad idea.  You'll only get the shiat kicked out of you.  If you are lucky, you might get a big payout, but I figure the odds are pretty high that you will die or suffer permanent injury in the process.  Not worth it.  However, refusing to consent and being "uncooperative" is your right and when the cop crosses that line, even with assholes like this, they need to be removed from their position of authority on a permanent basis.

Being uncoooperative and refusing to consent will also get the shiat kicked out of you, as both this asshole and countless others have discovered. If the cop is in the wrong and you know it and can prove it--like this guy could, or so he claimed--then you shut the f*ck up, get out of your car, get arrested, and let your lawyer have the evidence your wife was keeping back in the vehicle. You DON'T sit in the car and say "Oh yeah coppers! Come in and get me!" because the cops WILL come in and get you, and now you are most definitely in the wrong for resisting arrest.

As soon as the cop says "You are under arrest," then all bets are off--whatever other b/s charges they have against you (speeding, drunk driving, a dope dog "alerting" on your car), if you don't acquiesce, then they've got you for resisting arrest. I don't like it any more than you men do; bu ...


Perhaps you are misunderstanding what I mean by refusing to cooperate.  I mean don't consent to a search and don't answer any questions.  However, if you are ordered out of your vehicle, even if you think the reason is bs, you do it.  And you certainly don't start a fight.  In the one situation where a cop demanded to search me and my vehicle for no reason, I did say "I do not consent, but you have the gun so I can't stop you."  Neither I nor my vehicle were searched.  No, I didn't have anything to hide. That's entirely beside the point.
 
2014-03-25 02:04:53 AM  

Aigoo: Mr. Anderson might want to consider reading the Koine Greek of the passage he's quoting. Because the way so many denominations choose to interpret it, as handed down by the piss-poor King James translation, is not what the Koine Greek or the more than 25000 original manuscripts in 20 different languages actually says. The King James translation is widely regarded as one of the worst translations in existence, one that was commissioned and translated to support a certain religious view.


Don't worry.   They're working to surpass it.
 
2014-03-25 02:09:46 AM  

OgreMagi: Gyrfalcon: OgreMagi: Satanic_Hamster: OgreMagi: I don't doubt it one bit. But he was still in the right and the police violated the law.

If we allow the police to ignore the Constitution with people we despise, we open the door for them to do the same with us.

But, again though...  AT THE TRAFFIC STOP ISN'T THE PLACE TO DO THAT.  You can NOT physically resist police under that circumstance.  I'm willing to bet that not once in the history of the America, maybe in Western Civiliziation, that a citizen has come out ahead by trying to physically stop the police from violating their search rights by physical resistance.

Depends on how you resist.  Yes, physically resisting and starting a fight is a very bad idea.  You'll only get the shiat kicked out of you.  If you are lucky, you might get a big payout, but I figure the odds are pretty high that you will die or suffer permanent injury in the process.  Not worth it.  However, refusing to consent and being "uncooperative" is your right and when the cop crosses that line, even with assholes like this, they need to be removed from their position of authority on a permanent basis.

Being uncoooperative and refusing to consent will also get the shiat kicked out of you, as both this asshole and countless others have discovered. If the cop is in the wrong and you know it and can prove it--like this guy could, or so he claimed--then you shut the f*ck up, get out of your car, get arrested, and let your lawyer have the evidence your wife was keeping back in the vehicle. You DON'T sit in the car and say "Oh yeah coppers! Come in and get me!" because the cops WILL come in and get you, and now you are most definitely in the wrong for resisting arrest.

As soon as the cop says "You are under arrest," then all bets are off--whatever other b/s charges they have against you (speeding, drunk driving, a dope dog "alerting" on your car), if you don't acquiesce, then they've got you for resisting arrest. I don't like it any more than you men do; bu ...

Perhaps you are misunderstanding what I mean by refusing to cooperate.  I mean don't consent to a search and don't answer any questions.  However, if you are ordered out of your vehicle, even if you think the reason is bs, you do it.  And you certainly don't start a fight.  In the one situation where a cop demanded to search me and my vehicle for no reason, I did say "I do not consent, but you have the gun so I can't stop you."  Neither I nor my vehicle were searched.  No, I didn't have anything to hide. That's entirely beside the point.


From the video I saw the cops were in the right (as far as the content of the video) except maybe for tazing him as soon as the window was broken. If the answer to "am I under arrest?" Is "yes" then you had better comply in all ways you are capable, including something so minor as "get out of the vehicle."
 
2014-03-25 02:58:25 AM  

Aigoo: Some 'Splainin' To Do: I'm convinced that most people find exactly the god that they want to worship. This man was looking for one that was as small and evil-minded has he is and, surprise!, that's exactly the sort of god he found.

It always fascinates me how people like this guy deliberately overlook women like Esther, Ruth, Rahab, Deborah, Tamar, Anna (two or three of whom are listed in the genealogy of Christ, one of whom was the first known prophet according to the accounts that were written by Jewish men to see Christ as an infant--and under Mosaic law, one could not be called a prophet without proof on pain of death) and so many others. It fascinates me even more how they deliberately overlook the sins of Abraham (the friend of God), David (the man after God's own heart) and even Moses (God's Lawgiver) while holding the women up as evil and the men up as paragons of virtue.

Mr. Anderson might want to consider reading the Koine Greek of the passage he's quoting. Because the way so many denominations choose to interpret it, as handed down by the piss-poor King James translation, is not what the Koine Greek or the more than 25000 original manuscripts in 20 different languages actually says. The King James translation is widely regarded as one of the worst translations in existence, one that was commissioned and translated to support a certain religious view.


Came here to say this, mostly.  There are plenty of women in the Bible that saved the Jewish people by NOT shutting up.  If they didn't save the Jews, then there would have been no Jesus.  Jesus even had women that spoke up - his own mother at Cana told him to make some wine (not grape juice you ignorant fools, alcohol).  Martha, who spoke a plain and forthright point of faith with the loss of her brother Lazarus.

Does this chucklehead also not know who the first people were who witnessed the resurrection, who brought myrrh to anoint the dead body and found the rock rolled away from the tomb?  Easter's not far off, maybe they need to reread those passages.
 
2014-03-25 03:12:53 AM  

OgreMagi: Perhaps you are misunderstanding what I mean by refusing to cooperate. I mean don't consent to a search and don't answer any questions. However, if you are ordered out of your vehicle, even if you think the reason is bs, you do it. And you certainly don't start a fight. In the one situation where a cop demanded to search me and my vehicle for no reason, I did say "I do not consent, but you have the gun so I can't stop you." Neither I nor my vehicle were searched. No, I didn't have anything to hide. That's entirely beside the point.


Ah. My bad. You are right about never consenting and never talking. I did in fact misunderstand. Apologies.
 
2014-03-25 03:27:39 AM  

Aigoo: Some 'Splainin' To Do: I'm convinced that most people find exactly the god that they want to worship. This man was looking for one that was as small and evil-minded has he is and, surprise!, that's exactly the sort of god he found.

It always fascinates me how people like this guy deliberately overlook women like Esther, Ruth, Rahab, Deborah, Tamar, Anna (two or three of whom are listed in the genealogy of Christ, one of whom was the first known prophet according to the accounts that were written by Jewish men to see Christ as an infant--and under Mosaic law, one could not be called a prophet without proof on pain of death) and so many others. It fascinates me even more how they deliberately overlook the sins of Abraham (the friend of God), David (the man after God's own heart) and even Moses (God's Lawgiver) while holding the women up as evil and the men up as paragons of virtue.

read the bible with all its contradictions and historical inaccuracies and ignorance of science and don't say "This smells like bullsh*t"

FTFM
 
2014-03-25 04:40:14 AM  

JammerJim: Far too many people to include here, so some will miss it, but for those of us who don't do the "biblical inerrancy" dance (and there are a lot of us, we just don't show up in the news because we're really kinda boring next to guys like Fred Phelps), its simple enough.

If you read Paul's letters there are several clearly written by him, some that might be, and others that aren't. In the genuine article, Paul is often clearly speaking very kindly of various women who look to be leaders or at least prominent in their local churches. The stuff about women keeping silent often pops up in non-Pauline letters and in Corinthians 1 it is believed by many to be a later insertion and not original, thus we can safely ignore it.

/yes we do pick and choose, because d-bags have been messing with the text for a long time.


Let's play Occam's Razor!

Either

 A: A benevolent, omnipotent, and omniscient deity who loves us very much and wants us to adhere to a certain way of life to be rewarded with a pleasant and unending afterlife inspired prophets to transcribe his word, and then later "d-bags" came in and "messed with the text"

Or

B: D-Bags wrote a book
 
2014-03-25 05:26:01 AM  

Dumski: Ah yes, "Cherry picking the bible" to suit your needs. A time honored tradition in religion.


Since the bible contradicts itself all over the place, it would be impossible NOT to cherry pick. Simple example: did God create animals before humans (Gen. 1:24-27) or Adam before the animals (Gen. 2:19)?
 
2014-03-25 07:11:54 AM  

CheetahOlivetti: scottydoesntknow: Holy shiat, his website is derp x 11.

Apparently he also feels that the government should systematically put all homosexuals to death.

Oh, wow:
Because of years and years of looking at and touching scores of women inappropriately, the male gynecologist no doubt has a seared conscience and a perverted mind (I will not go into detail of what goes on in the doctor's office for decency's sake, but any woman who has been there knows what I am referring to.).  His view of women and the marital bed has certainly been warped by his indecent involvement with countless women.


And when someone asks you an example of how an otherwise normal looking and sounding person can have an underlying mental illness, you show them this derp.
 
2014-03-25 10:24:37 AM  
Next up. Pastor discovers that a surprising majority of the males in the congregation choos safety over coming back with the womenfolk.  Also discovers a sudden need for men to learn how to cook in the kitchen for Wednesday night ehting and soshilizing
 
2014-03-25 10:25:47 AM  

cwolf20: Next up. Pastor discovers that a surprising majority of the males in the congregation choos safety over coming back with the womenfolk.  Also discovers a sudden need for men to learn how to cook in the kitchen for Wednesday night ehting and soshilizing


choose not choose. I wasn't supposed to stop spelling correctly until after "night"
 
2014-03-25 10:30:31 AM  

cwolf20: cwolf20: Next up. Pastor discovers that a surprising majority of the males in the congregation choos safety over coming back with the womenfolk.  Also discovers a sudden need for men to learn how to cook in the kitchen for Wednesday night ehting and soshilizing

choose not choose. I wasn't supposed to stop spelling correctly until after "night"


well that was entertaining. I deliberately misspelled that time, and somehow it corrected.
 
2014-03-25 10:46:47 AM  
The US needs to start taking the mental health (or lack thereof) of these people seriously.
 
2014-03-25 11:05:18 AM  

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You'd probably live
Somewhere else


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2014-03-25 11:31:22 AM  

Man On Pink Corner: So when do you Christians stop calling yourselves Christians and start calling yourselves Paulites?


Paul invented Christ (the Christ-myth was largely influenced by other mystery religion myths of the time, such as Mithros and Osiris) and grafted him onto a Jewish revolutionary leader named Yeshua bar Yosef (Jesus son of Joseph). Since Christ is the deity invented by Paul, the religion Paul created came to be known as Christanity.
 
2014-03-25 11:32:50 AM  
 Hrmmm, "Anti-Gay" preacher has a low opinion of women.
Don't take a psychologist to figure out where this is headed.

/he's like, totally in to the cock.
 
2014-03-25 11:40:18 AM  

jst3p: JammerJim: jst3p: JammerJim: /yes we do pick and choose, because d-bags have been messing with the text for a long time.

So the Bible is the Word of God, scribed by man but inspired by God.

Except the parts that are inconvenient or you don't like. Those were "messed with".

You know how I know you don't know about historical-critical and textual analysis as applied to the Bible?

I don't know much about historical-critical and textual analysis as applied to Mother Goose either.


No, you don't. You'd rather snark. But, someday, if you became interested in what parts of the tale were original and what parts were added in by the Brother's Grimm, you might find it useful.
 
2014-03-25 11:42:03 AM  

jst3p: JammerJim: You know how I know you don't know about historical-critical and textual analysis as applied to the Bible?

I don't know much about historical-critical and textual analysis as applied to Mother Goose either.


Awesome.
 
2014-03-25 11:43:40 AM  

Solstafir: Let's play Occam's Razor!


Different argument. My post was about knowing what was in fact original, and what might have been slipped in by some guy who was pissed off at the chicks getting give orders in church.
 
2014-03-25 12:06:53 PM  

JammerJim: jst3p: JammerJim: jst3p: JammerJim: /yes we do pick and choose, because d-bags have been messing with the text for a long time.

So the Bible is the Word of God, scribed by man but inspired by God.

Except the parts that are inconvenient or you don't like. Those were "messed with".

You know how I know you don't know about historical-critical and textual analysis as applied to the Bible?

I don't know much about historical-critical and textual analysis as applied to Mother Goose either.

No, you don't. You'd rather snark. But, someday, if you became interested in what parts of the tale were original and what parts were added in by the Brother's Grimm, you might find it useful.


Does it matter? Even if you could accurately pick out the parts that are "original" it is a sci-fi zombie tale.
 
2014-03-25 12:16:14 PM  
ikanreed: He's not wrong.  The bible is pretty explicit in its hatred for women through both testaments.  Jesus wasn't a douche about it(but ask him about slavery), but that didn't stop the rest of early Christianity firmly placing women as second class citizens property.

Do it right, if you're going to do it at all.
 
2014-03-25 12:23:00 PM  

Deucednuisance: ikanreed: He's not wrong.  The bible is pretty explicit in its hatred for women through both testaments.  Jesus wasn't a douche about it(but ask him about slavery), but that didn't stop the rest of early Christianity firmly placing women as second class citizens property.

Do it right, if you're going to do it at all.


But that's strictly an old testament thing.  The new testament isn't kind to women, but it doesn't treat them quite as much like property(since Judea had taken a bit of a Roman approach to marriage by then).
 
2014-03-25 12:34:59 PM  

ikanreed: But that's strictly an old testament thing.  The new testament isn't kind to women, but it doesn't treat them quite as much like property(since Judea had taken a bit of a Roman approach to marriage by then).


Maybe so, but Roman marriage was still Pater Familias.  So, not exactly property, but certainly not Citizens, either.

/now with proper quote formatting!
 
2014-03-25 02:35:11 PM  

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CSB:
Alamo Drafthouse is showing that next Friday.
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Yes, I've seen the movie dozens of times.  BUT NEVER UNEDITED ON THE BIG SCREEN, biatchES.

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2014-03-25 02:42:12 PM  

HypnozombieX: Hrmmm, "Anti-Gay" preacher has a low opinion of women.
Don't take a psychologist to figure out where this is headed.


While it's possible, it's not necessarily true.  I don't know (or care) whether the man is a self-hating gay.  There seems to be a very large correlation between being homophobic and misogynistic.  I don't think there are enough gay men in the world to account for all of them.

There is a large group of people out there who strongly believe that there is a major difference between what men are (or should be) like, and what women are (or should be) like.  If you don't strongly believe that, then you accept that men and women really aren't all that different, or at least that it's nothing to worry about if you see a woman who is "like a man" or vice-versa.  A lot of homophobia seems to be rooted in the idea that a gay man is "too much like a woman" and a lesbian is "too manlike."  And misogyny, for its part, has at its core the idea that women are inferior to men --- obviously not an idea compatible with the notion that the differences aren't that major.

In other words, I think they both grow from the same root.
 
2014-03-25 03:09:55 PM  

Deucednuisance: ikanreed: But that's strictly an old testament thing.  The new testament isn't kind to women, but it doesn't treat them quite as much like property(since Judea had taken a bit of a Roman approach to marriage by then).

Maybe so, but Roman marriage was still Pater Familias.  So, not exactly property, but certainly not Citizens, either.

/now with proper quote formatting!


I'm pretty sure we can discount the idea that true equality was ever really broached in any serious socioeconomic context until the Renaissance, and widely dismissed until the 20th century in basically every culture on the planet.  I'm not a Roman cheerleader, but the property thing was less... inherent.
 
2014-03-25 03:11:14 PM  

JesseL: cmb53208: Ah Arizona, America's Septic Tank

Don't judge the whole state by some shiathead who preaches in a strip mall.


OK.  How about your entire state gov't then?
 
2014-03-25 03:39:53 PM  

scottydoesntknow: If it helps, I'm pretty sure their "church" has about 20 members and they meet at what used to be a 5 Guys location (going by the shape of the sign).


This place is right by my house, less than a mile away.  It is in a run-down strip mall by a pawn shop, bail bondsman, smoke shop, etc.  5 Guys is waaaay too upscale for this location.  Kinda want to check out one of their services, but it might be too much for me.  It's hard enough dealing with the "normal" people who live in Arizona.
 
2014-03-26 12:36:28 AM  

cousin-merle: scottydoesntknow: If it helps, I'm pretty sure their "church" has about 20 members and they meet at what used to be a 5 Guys location (going by the shape of the sign).

This place is right by my house, less than a mile away.  It is in a run-down strip mall by a pawn shop, bail bondsman, smoke shop, etc.  5 Guys is waaaay too upscale for this location.  Kinda want to check out one of their services, but it might be too much for me.  It's hard enough dealing with the "normal" people who live in Arizona.


And this is the negative power of the Internet.  Time was, this nutcase wouldn't register so much as a blip on the radar.  He'd just be preaching his stupid shiat to his pathetic little loser congregation.  Ah, but now, he gets worldwide attention as his verbal bile is posted to blogs and retweeted ad naseum.  He is your OUTRAGE OF THE DAY until tomorrow's outrage comes along.
 
2014-03-26 12:39:13 AM  
Not kosher. Not in MY book.
 
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