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(The Raw Story)   Creationist Ken Ham says that "God is a God of grace and mercy" and will demonstrate this by roasting Bill Maher in a "lake which burns with fire and brimstone" for eternity   (rawstory.com) divider line 515
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2014-03-24 02:36:56 PM

allylloyd: /Where you confirmed in the Catholic Church or the Episcopal Church?


Lutheran, actually.  The chill Minnesota kind.


Any altar boy duties?


I may have lit a candle or two.  They rotated the 8th and 9th graders that were in confirmation for those duties IIRC.

Pastor Bob was a married father of two, retired stock broker and former boxer / Marine, so there was no funny business either.
 
2014-03-24 02:37:44 PM

TheOther: susler: allylloyd: After reading some of these posts, I don't know whose stereotypes are worse, the Atheists or the Christians?

The Christians b/c they will condemn you and they won't leave you a tip after church if they suspect you don't believe the same thing as they.

...and they only tip the church 10% for the service.


You're thinking of Mormons. Most Christians just throw God "a little walkin' around money."
 
2014-03-24 02:38:07 PM

eraser8: allylloyd: That is your interpretation and/or belief and you are entitled to it. I am entitled to mine.

I've been thinking about Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindu and the rest and trying to figure out why they believe what they believe.

I have some thoughts on it...but, I'd like to get the opinion of a real life religionist on the matter, so I have to ask: WHY do you believe that a god exists?


And my Weeners is "Why not?" My believe in God (includes Jesus and the Holy Spirit) is because I have faith. I don't need to physically touch, hear or see God to believe in God. One of my favorite Bible passages is from Matthew Chapter 17: For truly I tell you, if you have faith the size of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you.

//Faith (and prayer) have allowed me to move a lot of mountains in my lifetime...
//They haven't always moved the way I wanted them to, but they have moved nonetheless.
 
2014-03-24 02:39:00 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Look, I don't know what's so hard to understand here. God snaps his fingers and wills two full-grown adults into existence, but does a shiat job on their programming gets pissed off and visits terrible vengeance upon them, then later gets pissed off again and drowns everyone, and then he's still pissed about a rule he made up so he "sacrifices" (in that he dies, but he comes back a few days later, so it's not really a sacrifice) himself to himself in order to change that rule, and then because he's come off as such an asshole  in the story, in the sequel to the Old Testament they completely retcon him as happy loving funtime god, and the point here is that he loves you and sacrifices for you and wants to give you good things, but if you don't toe the line, he's gonna torture you forever and ever. So shape up and fly right. God loves you, but sometimes, baby, you just make him so mad.


It's an abusive relationship, all right ...
 
2014-03-24 02:40:03 PM
Have these people ever tried living life like there's not some being looking over their shoulder judging them 24 hours a day? That sounds like Hell. You need some moral compass? Treat others like you'd want to be treated, that's about it.
 
2014-03-24 02:41:47 PM

Deep Contact: PadreMontoya: [www.markstivers.com image 631x549]

Fire and brimstone lake.


The problem with a metal boat lined with Styrofoam is the metal will eventually reach the temperature of the fire and brimstone lake which will cause the Styrofoam to catch fire.
What you should use in replace of the Styrofoam is refractory ceramic fiber which can withstand up to 1400 deg. C.


All that will do, like the Styrofoam, is prolong the inevitable.  Sure, refractory ceramic fiber will do it much better, but we ARE talking about eternity here.  So clearly there's going to be a need to pump the heat out somehow.

Clearly what's needed is strips of superconductive cloth.  Since one of the intrinsic properties of superconductors is that they are the same temperature throughout, all you need to do is connected the surface of the boat (the "source") via a long strip or wire of superconductive material to an infinite mass of significantly lower temperature (the "sink").

The beauty is, given the temperature of your average lake of fire, there's no need to worry about low-temperature superconductors.  Any superconducting material should do.

/At least it worked on the Ringworld.
 
2014-03-24 02:41:55 PM
Sounds about right. He deserves worse obviously.
 
2014-03-24 02:43:11 PM
I've tried all of the big box hardware stores and Barbecues Galore looking for odorless brimstone, and they look at me like they've never heard of the stuff.  If it really burns forever with unspeakable fury, then I'd pay a pretty penny for a Weber kettle full.  Satan really is missing out on a remarkable marketing opportunity here.
 
2014-03-24 02:43:45 PM

RedZoneTuba: "It's a Mr. Ham on line 5, calling about creationism."
"OK, give me Ham on 5 and hold the Maher"


POTY
 
2014-03-24 02:45:43 PM

htomc: Rapmaster2000: People were pretty uncreative if the best they could come up with is "lake of fire".

Notice how everything is defined in purely human terms.  Just like heaven supposedly has "streets of gold".  Why in the world would there be any need at all for gold there?  What possible use could it have there, beyond looking somewhat nice?

It's all just humans appealing to other human's prejudices, fears, and desires.


That was one of the first things that tipped me off when I was a kid. Talk about gold and mansions in heaven and torture and pain in hell. Right after they told me to try to get rid of all my earthly desires. It just never made sense to me.
 
2014-03-24 02:45:45 PM
allylloyd: [to the question: WHY do you believe in a god?]   And my Weeners is "Why not?"

Because that reasoning (if honest) would compel you to believe in all gods, absent some reason for disbelief.  How could you possibly choose just one?  And, how did you choose the one you chose?
 
2014-03-24 02:47:04 PM

browntimmy: Have these people ever tried living life like there's not some being looking over their shoulder judging them 24 hours a day?


Don't be stupid, that's the one part they got right. Just ask Snowden.
 
2014-03-24 02:47:23 PM

wildcardjack: Premise 1: God is perfect
Premise 2: Nothing God makes is imperfect because he is perfect.
Premise 3: Man, and thus I, was created by God's perfect will.

Conclusion: Stop trying to improve on perfection.


Killer Cars: TV's Vinnie: Simply saying that "2+2=4" is seen as "liberal smugness" to most conservatives.

To some extent yeah, but someone like Jon Stewart for instance really only goes after isolated issues/instances. And, no matter how ZING! his point(s) might be, he delivers it in such a way that seems gentle.

Maher though basically looks for any excuse go into overdrive and essentially insult someone's politik. I think it can be funny (albeit often toxic if taken seriously as "debate"), but I can certainly see where Righty McRepub over there can fly off the handle at his mere presence.


"Real Time" has great debates on current issues. One of the only shows that brings on pundits from all sides that don't sit and read from their political parties playbook. Yes, he gets to have his soliloquies at the end and push his shtick, which is heavy liberal, but the discussions they have are quite intelligent.
 
2014-03-24 02:49:05 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Notice Ham doesn't even address Maher's point about the Flood.


Those people had it coming.
 
2014-03-24 02:49:08 PM

Dr Dreidel: LazyMedia: Yeah, it's pretty clear that the Hebrew God BECAME a single God (Isaiah 45:5 I am the Lord, etc.) Not so clear or apparent that he started out that way. Like Allah, best evidence is that Yahweh was a minor god who got called up to the big leagues, and later his followers claimed that he INVENTED baseball. The reason he got so mad about the Hebrews worshipping Baal, etc., was that they were the competition.

The way I had it explained to me is a bit tricky. As pointed out, the Hebrew word used ("elohim") refers both to "gods" (nonspecific, plural) and to "God" (proper noun), so the verse in question could read several different ways depending on the context you want to see.

The only way it makes sense taken as a tenet of the faith we now know as Judaism is that there are other "powers" recognized in The Bible that seem to work against God's plan - the Egyptian magicians, Balaam's conversation with his donkey, Moses' father-in-law Jethro (I forget if this is extratextual or not, but supposedly Ol' Jeth was a non-Jewish priest who had "powers"), and several others - and that even they fall under God's purview.

There's an obvious question in Exodus - why would the Hebrews, who had supposedly just witnessed the miracles of the splitting of the sea and manna and such, build a Golden Calf a month after God specifically told them not to? Because they thought they had "lost" their intermediary to God, Moses (who failed to reappear after his 40-day exile up the mountain), and so they "built" themselves another one, as they felt no person could compare with Moe.


Pangea: allylloyd: When God said "You shall have no other Gods but me", he was speaking to people who believed in Him but were also praying to other "gods" for repentance or help. In other words, if you believe in God, you must allow God to answer your prayers, and not go to another God because you don't like the answer he gives you.

So just rename them "Saints" and you get an ironclad loophole.

Checkmate, God!


Some explanations needed here

CHRISTIANS DO NOT PRAY TO SAINTS. Rather, we ask for saints (just like we asks friends/familiar/church members) to pray for us.

There are people who given sainthood by the Early Catholic Church (before the Anglican Communion). This was because of what those men and women did to spread the words/works of Jesus Christ and their personal doings.

//People were named saints in the Catholic Church as recognition of their duties towards God (in their teachings/actions/etc.)
//The Catholic Church still names people saints. Other churches no longer do this but they do have days of recognition where people's works are remembered. For instance, the Episcopal Church has a day were Martin Luther King, Jr. is recognized for his works/words.
 
2014-03-24 02:50:25 PM

Pangea: allylloyd: When God said "You shall have no other Gods but me", he was speaking to people who believed in Him but were also praying to other "gods" for repentance or help. In other words, if you believe in God, you must allow God to answer your prayers, and not go to another God because you don't like the answer he gives you.

So just rename them "Saints" and you get an ironclad loophole.

Checkmate, God!


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you called?
 
2014-03-24 02:50:41 PM

allylloyd: CHRISTIANS DO NOT PRAY TO SAINTS


No, but Catholics do.
 
2014-03-24 02:50:53 PM
Look, I don't know what's so hard to understand here. God snaps his fingers and wills two full-grown adults into existence, but does a shiat job on their programming gets pissed off and visits terrible vengeance upon them, then later gets pissed off again and drowns everyone, and then he's still pissed about a rule he made up so he "sacrifices" (in that he dies, but he comes back a few days later, so it's not really a sacrifice) himself to himself in order to change that rule, and then because he's come off as such an asshole  in the story, in the sequel to the Old Testament they completely retcon him as happy loving funtime god, and the point here is that he loves you and sacrifices for you and wants to give you good things, but if you don't toe the line, he's gonna torture you forever and ever. So shape up and fly right. God loves you, but sometimes, baby, you just make him so mad.

If you just view god (and his actions) like a normal person, instead of being infallible and all-loving, it makes a lot more sense.
 
2014-03-24 02:51:27 PM

eraser8: I'll try you...I've asked this question a couple of times already. I'm really interested in your answer:

If you believe in a god, WHY do you believe in a god?


I'll tell you why I don't begrudge others their faith, if that helps. Bear in mind, I spent 15 years in day schools, plus one in seminary, so I've had some time to think The Question over (so much so that I stopped entirely).

I think it was Will Rogers who said "When you reach the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on." That knot is "god" (for certain conceptions of the deity) - when you just can't even anymore, and you're about to lose your shiat, and nothing will ever be good or happy or right with your world ever again, you know that there is that backstop.

An ex-gf who had been hospitalized for mental health problems found this conception to be accurate for her experience - where she literally promised god (and her parents) that she'd hang on for "5 more minutes" every 5 minutes.

// everyone sees their deity differently, even within the same sect
 
2014-03-24 02:51:46 PM

rebelyell2006: The Flexecutioner: this helps quell my rage when I hear about this guy.  i sometimes combine it with 2 deep breaths, in through the nose, out through the mouth.  it's sublime hilarity calms me.

/its funny cuz it has two syllables

Ham? But where's the pickle?


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2014-03-24 02:51:46 PM

allylloyd: eraser8: I have some thoughts on it...but, I'd like to get the opinion of a real life religionist on the matter, so I have to ask: WHY do you believe that a god exists?

And my Weeners is "Why not?" My believe in God (includes Jesus and the Holy Spirit) is because I have faith. I don't need to physically touch, hear or see God to believe in God.


You didn't answer the question. "I have faith" is  HOW you believe in god not why.

Why don't you believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster and Pink Unicorns? You don't need to physically touch, hear or see them in order to believe in them. They also have stories written about them in books. So why YHWH instead of FSM/PU?


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2014-03-24 02:52:35 PM

RsquaredW: Considering the statement was by Stephen Roberts, not Rand Paul (who is a theist)...


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(hint: it's an oldie around these parts)
 
2014-03-24 02:52:42 PM

eraser8: DROxINxTHExWIND: The tipping point for organized religion (not the existence of GOD)...

I'll try you...I've asked this question a couple of times already.  I'm really interested in your answer:

If you believe in a god, WHY do you believe in a god?

As, I noted in my earlier question, I've been thinking a lot lately about how religionists view the world and how atheists view the world -- and, whether the gap between those views can ever be bridged.



You know, I'll answer as honestly as I can...it's probably indoctrination, mixed with a little bit of "better to believe than to go to Hell" in the back of my mind. I've sat and pondered it myself. I have had life experiences where I felt that I was being protected. I fell into a coma when I was 6 months old and if not for a bunch of amazing circumstances, like my aunt just randomly deciding she wanted to visit me at my grandmother's house during her lunch break, only to find me in my crib having breathing problems, I would not be here. I've been shot at, been in major car accidents, and a lot of other shiat that I can't get into here. Was it all a coincidence that I made it through? Why was I worth saving? I don't know. But, it helps me to think that there is some order to life .I don't know how I would react upon realizing that after this, there is nothing. I've had too many people die around me to believe that the end of their life was just...the end. More than anything else, I think that belief in GOD is a coping mechanism. I'm hopeful this isn't all there is.
 
2014-03-24 02:53:59 PM

Rueened: Stay classy, atheists. It's amusing to see you getting so worked up about something you don't believe in.


It's cute that you would put it that way, but you know full well why many atheists actually get riled up, and it's got nothing to do with god.  Being disingenuous is not a very good argument.
 
2014-03-24 02:54:17 PM

TomD9938: allylloyd: /Where you confirmed in the Catholic Church or the Episcopal Church?

Lutheran, actually.  The chill Minnesota kind.


Any altar boy duties?


I may have lit a candle or two.  They rotated the 8th and 9th graders that were in confirmation for those duties IIRC.

Pastor Bob was a married father of two, retired stock broker and former boxer / Marine, so there was no funny business either.


Lutheran!!! Get back to church, one of your pastors is a tattooed lady!!!


//Nadia Bolz-Webber
 
2014-03-24 02:54:42 PM
jigger

No, but Catholics do.

Invariably, in any thread regarding Christianity, some inbred Protestant will durr hurr his way into "but paw, dem Cat-o-licks ain't Christian!"

Not hardcore enough for the Klan, not educated enough to move beyond. A tough row to hoe.
 
2014-03-24 02:54:52 PM

JackieRabbit: It amazes me that so-calld Christians know nothing about the basic tenants of their own religion. Did no one ever tell them that Jesus supposedly came to deliver God's new covenant with Man: that the vengeful God had seen the error of his ways and that the new relationship would replace vengeance with unconditional love?


Matthew 5:17-18: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."


So it's a new convenant for things we want to do (eat pork, wear fabric blends, cut our sideburns, etc.) but still the old law for things that make us feel icky (like gay marriage).  Gotcha.  So why does an omnipotent, omniscient being even need to make a new deal (and sacrifice Himself to Himself)?  Since he knows everything, wouldn't he know the old deal wouldn't work when he was making it?

Was not appearing before any humans part of the new deal?  It seems like in the OT God was all over the place - ordering people to sacrifice their children, making bets with Satan, killing firstborn infants, etc.  These days we are lucky if he sends a pic of the chick he knocked up (no, they weren't married - she was married to another guy but he was apparently OK with it) on a tortilla or a freeway overpass.  Why the big change in character in such a short time?
 
2014-03-24 02:55:27 PM

meat0918: I've heard this one before.

Roasting in a lake which burns with fire and brimstone is more merciful than blinking you out of existence after you die, because you see, you're still living forever, and who doesn't want to live forever?


And there goes the ORIGINAL interpretation.

Hell was only for the believers that strayed away.   Once you earned eternal life, the only thing left to decide was where you would spend it.   Those that never earned it would die and cease to exist.

I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.  So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
 
2014-03-24 02:55:33 PM

allylloyd: eraser8: allylloyd: That is your interpretation and/or belief and you are entitled to it. I am entitled to mine.

I've been thinking about Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindu and the rest and trying to figure out why they believe what they believe.

I have some thoughts on it...but, I'd like to get the opinion of a real life religionist on the matter, so I have to ask: WHY do you believe that a god exists?

And my Weeners is "Why not?" My believe in God (includes Jesus and the Holy Spirit) is because I have faith. I don't need to physically touch, hear or see God to believe in God. One of my favorite Bible passages is from Matthew Chapter 17: For truly I tell you, if you have faith the size of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you.

//Faith (and prayer) have allowed me to move a lot of mountains in my lifetime...
//They haven't always moved the way I wanted them to, but they have moved nonetheless.


I don't know where the "weeners " came from ---I DIDN'T SAY IT. I said, "My response would be ..."
 
2014-03-24 02:55:50 PM

Facetious_Speciest: Christianity is inherently wacky, so it's not surprising when Christians say wacky things.

I mean, it's a cult based on Jewish beliefs, but they think the Jews...the only source of information regarding the deity they worship...are all wrong. Think about that.

They (if they speak English) call their deity "God," which is somewhat akin to calling your dog "Dog" and getting mad when other people with other dogs don't recognise the primacy of Dog. Hello, your Hebrew god has a name. It's not "God." That's just capitalising a Germanic word (like Dog).

After rejecting the understandings of the deity held by those they nicked the concept of said deity from, they then re-imagined said deity as an super-god, granting him all kinds of special position and powers that are wholly inconsistent with the earlier lore of said god. It's like if a bunch of people adopted Shango and transformed him into the ultimate deity, called him Bob, and told people of African descent that they never really got Shango, because he's Bob, and reasons.

By nature, Christians are psychotically arrogant. It's the entire basis of their religion.


You know, everything I learn about the original form of judaism and what the oldest scriptures said also suggest that to Jews, when they invented judaism, you only went to heaven if you were a Jew.  If you weren't a Jew, you didn't have a soul, period, and weren't even really human.
 
2014-03-24 02:58:10 PM
We Answers Find in Our Genesis. Don't dead. Open Inside.

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2014-03-24 02:58:41 PM
eraser8: [Replying to  GnomePaladinYeah.  When I said his argument wasn't terrible, what I meant was, if his premise is true, his conclusion follows logically.  Based on empirical evidence, I just don't happen to believe his premise is true.

Rereading this, I realize what I said isn't quite right.

The idea that everything that exists was created IS a flawed premise.  But, it's not correct to say that empirical evidence shows us its falsity.  What I should have said, is that empirical evidence COULD show us its falsity.  That is, I can logical conceive of things that can exist without the need for a creation event (and, therefore, without the need for a creator).

You could come up with a hypothesis (and, some have) that everything that exists had a creator...but, that sort of hypothesis hasn't been tested.  And, until it has been (and passed its tests), that assumption shouldn't be taken as fact.
 
2014-03-24 02:58:47 PM
TheBigJerk

You know, everything I learn about the original form of judaism and what the oldest scriptures said also suggest that to Jews, when they invented judaism, you only went to heaven if you were a Jew. If you weren't a Jew, you didn't have a soul, period, and weren't even really human.

This is somewhat common amongst ethnocentric religions. It's why, when outsiders appropriate them for themselves (as Christianity appropriated parts of Judaism, and later Islam did the same thing), they have to be massaged into universalist creeds where instead of members of the tribe being favored, it's simply believers in the creed.
 
2014-03-24 02:59:00 PM

eraser8: allylloyd: [to the question: WHY do you believe in a god?]   And my Weeners is "Why not?"

Because that reasoning (if honest) would compel you to believe in all gods, absent some reason for disbelief.  How could you possibly choose just one?  And, how did you choose the one you chose?


Sorry, but I'm not going to change my response to suit you.

I believe in God. God believes in me.

//I believe in the Trinity; this means there's ONE God with different name.

//You don't have to believe in God for God to believe in you.
 
2014-03-24 03:00:15 PM

browntimmy: Have these people ever tried living life like there's not some being looking over their shoulder judging them 24 hours a day? That sounds like Hell. You need some moral compass? Treat others like you'd want to be treated, that's about it.


Do onto others as you would have them do onto you?

That's a great idea.  I wonder were it came from. ;)
 
2014-03-24 03:01:56 PM

No Such Agency: mayIFark: The whole point of Ken Ham's argument (against Bill Nye) was "Pic or didn't happen".

Now, let's ask him to produce that proof for his claim.

The null hypothesis is that a creation implies a Creator. It's just common sense. Thus, Nye has the burden of proving that sharp, serrated theropod teeth were not designed (by an infinitely intelligent god) to chew plants in Eden before the fall.


For the null hypothesis to imply a creator, you'd have to start with proof that something was actually created. Without the proof, you have to start with the null hypothesis that it was not created by anything, then test it against being created (by God or any other means).

Burden back on Ham and Nye to prove their version of events is the correct one. You seem to be the score keeper type, so let me point out that observable, testable, and recreatable evidence still beats the hell out of "this book I read told me so" in terms of winning an argument.
 
2014-03-24 03:04:30 PM

Mirrorz: We Answers Find in Our Genesis. Don't dead. Open Inside.

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Early albums, with Peter Gabriel, amiright?
 
2014-03-24 03:05:51 PM

Danger Mouse: browntimmy: Have these people ever tried living life like there's not some being looking over their shoulder judging them 24 hours a day? That sounds like Hell. You need some moral compass? Treat others like you'd want to be treated, that's about it.

Do onto others as you would have them do onto you?

That's a great idea.  I wonder were it came from. ;)


I think it's much better idea to do unto others as they would have you do unto them.
 
2014-03-24 03:06:01 PM
I often wonder, can a person be a good person and believe in hell?

I mean, you're not just talking punishing the wicked, you're talking permanent, ultimate, total agony forever and ever for an ultimately temporal sin.  There is a warlord that murdered thousands, raped and tortured every day of his life, and died so hated that you couldn't FIND his body when the mob was done with it.

No one remembers his name, no one remembers what he did, I'm only speculating his (very likely) existence, but if you believe in hell he has to be burning in it still.

Is that right?

I mean, setting aside everything else, from the (scripturally supported) unjust damnations to the "evil summbiatch who had a last-minute repentance," and only assuming the truly EVIL motherfarkers go to hell, is that right?  To be in hell FOREVER, to suffer FOREVER.
 
2014-03-24 03:06:18 PM

jigger: allylloyd: CHRISTIANS DO NOT PRAY TO SAINTS

No, but Catholics do.


Catholics are Christians. And they don't pray to saints! They ask saints (and other people) to speak to God on their behalf. They aren't asking the saint to solve the problem. They are asking the saint help them get their message to God.


//Case in point, Roger Staubach's Hail Mary pass. It wasn't praying TO Mary. He was praying that Mary would help him get his message to God. They need a touchdown to win the game.
 
2014-03-24 03:06:45 PM

allylloyd: TomD9938: allylloyd: I think Jesus's (also a Jew, never a Christian)

That's sort of like saying Lou Gehrig didnt die of Lou Gehrig's Disease

Have you ever read The Acts of the Apostles? It was never their intention to start a new religious faith, but rather tell other people about the lessons they learned from Jesus Christ (a teacher--a Jewish rabbi). This changed when Paul (Saul in Acts) started teaching because his focus was no longer Jewish traditions and laws, but rather the teachings of Jesus Christ.

//Also, Paul changed how he gave his message depending on the people he was talking to...


Wouldn't the title best be applied as the Acts of the Holy Spirit rather than the Apostles?  The Apostles were just the vessels used in this book and it was the Holy Spirit who was the dominant Figure.
 
2014-03-24 03:07:19 PM

Bf+: Did someone say overly attached Jesus?
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This +1 was on your Daddy's wrist when he was shot down over Hanoi. He was captured, put in a Vietnamese prison camp. He knew if the gooks ever saw the +1 it'd be confiscated, taken away. The way your Dad looked at it, that +1 was your birthright. He'd be damned if any slopes were gonna put their greasy yella hands on his boy's birthright. So he hid it in the one place he knew he could hide something.

His ass.

Five long years, he wore this +1... up his ass. Then he died of dysentery, he gave me the +1. I hid this uncomfortable hunk of +1 up my ass two years. Then, after seven years, I was sent home to my family. And now, Bf+, I give the +1 to you.
 
2014-03-24 03:07:45 PM
some of the many fears Christians have are:

fear that living near unbelievers will cause God to smite them
fear that living near unbelievers will cause the devil to smite them
fear that living near unbelievers will cause angels or demons to smite them

fear that living near people who don't believe correctly will cause God to smite them
fear that living near who don't believe correctly will cause the devil to smite them
fear that living near who don't believe correctly will cause angels or demons to smite them

fear that living near people who don't look like them will cause God to smite them
fear that living near people who don't look like them  will cause the devil to smite them
fear that living near people who don't look like them  will cause angels or demons to smite them

fear that living near people who God has made poor will cause God to smite them
fear that living near people who God has made poor will cause the devil to smite them
fear that living near peopleGod has made poor will cause angels or demons to smite them

fear that their own depraved behaivors are not depraved enough and willl allow someone else to get a better seat in heaven, because they believe in Jesus and therefore are going to Heaven no matter how hateful they are.
 
2014-03-24 03:07:51 PM
The Old Testament Yahweh shares almost nothing with the God the Father whom Jesus worships.

But It proved impossible to kick out volcano god Yahweh and maintain the belief in the inerrancy of the Bible so the Church (and by that I mean organized Christians not just Roman Catholics) accepted the idea that the unbaptized -- including infants -- went to Hell. The idea that the Bible was a collection of incompatible views on religion is so abhorrent that they construed a loving Father to mean someone who will torture infinitely people who have done nothing wrong. And since Life begins at conception, you don't even have to be born to suffer infinitely. If the woman miscarries, Hell is the zygote's "justifiable" destination.
 
2014-03-24 03:08:49 PM

vudukungfu: ReverendJynxed: beaches flooding.

Uh. We just call that High Tide around here.


I know, and yet we still have the climate ninnies running around with their arms in the air like it's the end of the world. Who doesn't like beach-front property?
 
2014-03-24 03:08:51 PM
allylloyd

Catholics are Christians. And they don't pray to saints! They ask saints (and other people) to speak to God on their behalf. They aren't asking the saint to solve the problem. They are asking the saint help them get their message to God.

Many Protestants (and formerly-Protestant atheists, oddly enough) cannot seem to grasp this.
 
2014-03-24 03:09:01 PM

TheBigJerk: I often wonder, can a person be a good person and believe in hell?

I mean, you're not just talking punishing the wicked, you're talking permanent, ultimate, total agony forever and ever for an ultimately temporal sin.  There is a warlord that murdered thousands, raped and tortured every day of his life, and died so hated that you couldn't FIND his body when the mob was done with it.

No one remembers his name, no one remembers what he did, I'm only speculating his (very likely) existence, but if you believe in hell he has to be burning in it still.

Is that right?

I mean, setting aside everything else, from the (scripturally supported) unjust damnations to the "evil summbiatch who had a last-minute repentance," and only assuming the truly EVIL motherfarkers go to hell, is that right?  To be in hell FOREVER, to suffer FOREVER.


How do you define right and wrong?
 
2014-03-24 03:09:25 PM

mayIFark: NateAsbestos: Secret Agent X23: I dunno, Ken...that wording sounds awfully polytheistic to me.

Yeah, what's this "a" God nonsense?

But then again, doesn't the first commandment tacitly admit the existence of other gods?

Is son of God not a God? If it is, you got 2 right there.


Even if God/Jesus are one in the same (the trinity and all that), you still have the Devil/Lucifer, who is pretty godlike, plus both have armies of angels and demons, which are sort of (lower case g) gods.  Seems pretty polytheistic to me.  (Don't get me started on Mormonism as the ultimate polytheistic religion)
 
2014-03-24 03:10:06 PM

safetycap: allylloyd: eraser8: I have some thoughts on it...but, I'd like to get the opinion of a real life religionist on the matter, so I have to ask: WHY do you believe that a god exists?

And my Weeners is "Why not?" My believe in God (includes Jesus and the Holy Spirit) is because I have faith. I don't need to physically touch, hear or see God to believe in God.

You didn't answer the question. "I have faith" is  HOW you believe in god not why.

Why don't you believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster and Pink Unicorns? You don't need to physically touch, hear or see them in order to believe in them. They also have stories written about them in books. So why YHWH instead of FSM/PU?


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How do I believe in God? By doing what I do. I try and show my belief in God through my actions.


//Some actions are better than others, of course, but I have Free Will.
 
2014-03-24 03:10:40 PM

eraser8: If you believe in a god, WHY do you believe in a god?


Because people are afraid of mortality. That's really the only reason to worship God. I mean why else? As for the Noah story, from a screenwriting standpoint, it's the most ridiculous story in the Bible.
 
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