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2014-03-24 01:42:31 PM

Gecko Gingrich: Bane of Broone: They're both hilarious, but I'm an Atheist and even I'll admit that Atheists are usually easier to get riled up. I don't get it either. Aren't we supposed to be euphoric? :p

How to rile up a "Christian": Include a menorah in a Holiday display.
How to rile up an atheist: Pass a law outlawing non-"Christian" behavior. Make a joke about a fedora and/or neckbeard.

 
2014-03-24 01:42:37 PM

NightOwl2255: [i939.photobucket.com image 524x255]


Favorited.
 
2014-03-24 01:44:05 PM

allylloyd: NateAsbestos: Secret Agent X23: I dunno, Ken...that wording sounds awfully polytheistic to me.

Yeah, what's this "a" God nonsense?

But then again, doesn't the first commandment tacitly admit the existence of other gods?

Slight misinterpretation.

I'll explain it to you in simple language. Three faiths: Judaism, Christianity and Islam believe in ONE God (the same God). Judaism and Islam also believe in the Holy Spirit (as described in the Old Testament). Christianity believes in the Trinity (God=Father, God=Son (Jesus) and God= Holy Spirit) who they are equal in their "importance".
When God said "You shall have no other Gods but me", he was speaking to people who believed in Him but were also praying to other "gods" for repentance or help. In other words, if you believe in God, you must allow God to answer your prayers, and not go to another God because you don't like the answer he gives you.


Yeah, it's pretty clear that the Hebrew God BECAME a single God (Isaiah 45:5 I am the Lord, etc.) Not so clear or apparent that he started out that way. Like Allah, best evidence is that Yahweh was a minor god who got called up to the big leagues, and later his followers claimed that he INVENTED baseball. The reason he got so mad about the Hebrews worshipping Baal, etc., was that they were the competition.
 
2014-03-24 01:45:47 PM
His god:
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2014-03-24 01:45:50 PM
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2014-03-24 01:46:01 PM
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2014-03-24 01:46:22 PM

rjakobi: Some 'Splainin' To Do: I just don't understand the concept of hell. The idea of eternal punishment is just so  evil, that I don't understand how Christians rationalize it.

It's much easier to rationalize than the concept that every person gets to go to heaven irregardless of their actions. It establishes the idea of responsibility for one's actions.

And the fun thing about heaven and hell is that it isn't a democratic process of who goes where. That is, in essence, out of human jurisdiction. Remember that next time you wish someone to go to hell.


Going TO heaven and getting INSIDE heaven are two very different things...
 
2014-03-24 01:46:40 PM

allylloyd: Bane of Broone: allylloyd: Bane of Broone: allylloyd: After reading some of these posts, I don't know whose stereotypes are worse, the Atheists or the Christians?

They're both hilarious, but I'm an Atheist and even I'll admit that Atheists are usually easier to get riled up. I don't get it either. Aren't we supposed to be euphoric? :p

Since I'm not an atheist, I can't speak for atheists. However, I am a Christian, so when I hear a Christian say something ignorant, two thoughts come to mind:
1) They have a different interpretation of Scripture than I do or
2) They are just really ignorant.

//Sometimes it's a combination of both.

I hear you on that one. My gal is a Christian, but believes in evolution, kindness towards EVERYONE, is pro-choice, fiercely liberal....all that jazz. She doesn't care one bit about contradictions in a book that is thousands of years old. She finds comfort and inspiration in it and uses it to better her own life. So when people come out with "All Christians" or "All religions" stuff it just shows that they are willfully ignorant of people like a drug addict who uses it to stay clean, a person who becomes inspired to be a better, more understanding partner/parent/whatever. I don't care what tools you use to become a better person. "Religion" and "Christianity" are just red herrings (inb4 Clue). Fundies, no matter what side they fall on, are just too lazy to deal with problems on an individual level.

Keep your girlfriend.

//If you have kids, baptize them.
// You can use it as a reason why she has to go out on Sunday mornings and you can have the house to yourself.


No kids unless we adopt later. She's cool with me spending Sundays at home. I'll occasionally go to a service because I enjoy watching the ceremony, pagentry, and customs. I find it genuinely interesting. I'll also lend when doing feedings for the homeless, etc. I just don't advocate the church is all and they are all cool with it.
 
2014-03-24 01:47:04 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: It would've confused the tribesmen if hell were described as having to sit on a crowded train for eternity, forced to listen to other people's loud personal cell phone conversations.


Hell is a Christian concept that came about well after the "tribesmen" died, and iirc the very earliest references to it compared it to the flaming heap of garbage near Jerusalem. (Ghenna)
 
2014-03-24 01:47:08 PM
The Stealth Hippopotamus: Not the most human way to put a crazed animal out how its misery.

Au contraire.  It is *very* human.  It may or may not be humane.
 
2014-03-24 01:47:17 PM
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2014-03-24 01:47:40 PM

rjakobi: It's much easier to rationalize than the concept that every person gets to go to heaven irregardless of their actions. It establishes the idea of responsibility for one's actions.


irregardless?
 
2014-03-24 01:47:45 PM

TomD9938: Some 'Splainin' To Do: I just don't understand the concept of hell. The idea of eternal punishment is just so  evil, that I don't understand how Christians rationalize it.

It's simply an incentive to obey your Earthly masters.

Don't steal, don't kill, don't screw your neighbors wife, pay your taxes, enjoy eternal life.


But what if my neighbor invites me to screw his wife, and she's down for it too?
 
2014-03-24 01:49:09 PM
I'd watch this on pay-per-view.
 
2014-03-24 01:49:23 PM
The Christian god for many.

All knowing and all powerful - Doesn't actually engage with anyone or intervene with anything and is content to let evil happen around the world, even in his name.

Loving and forgiving and above human emotion - but homophobic and jealous, will send you to be tortured forever if you don't believe, believe wrong, or don't believe hard enough.  Also still seems to have a grudge against women who try to be more than an accessory for a man.

Has a plan for everyone and anything - but gives us free will to follow said plan, so when his "plan" results in problems for us we can blame ourselves and not the ever just god.

Also forbid us knowledge and punished us forever for our curiosity with the concept of original sin.  Or rather punished us for refusing to remain ignorant and obedient.
 
2014-03-24 01:49:27 PM

Bane of Broone: allylloyd: Bane of Broone: allylloyd: Bane of Broone: allylloyd: After reading some of these posts, I don't know whose stereotypes are worse, the Atheists or the Christians?

They're both hilarious, but I'm an Atheist and even I'll admit that Atheists are usually easier to get riled up. I don't get it either. Aren't we supposed to be euphoric? :p

Since I'm not an atheist, I can't speak for atheists. However, I am a Christian, so when I hear a Christian say something ignorant, two thoughts come to mind:
1) They have a different interpretation of Scripture than I do or
2) They are just really ignorant.

//Sometimes it's a combination of both.

I hear you on that one. My gal is a Christian, but believes in evolution, kindness towards EVERYONE, is pro-choice, fiercely liberal....all that jazz. She doesn't care one bit about contradictions in a book that is thousands of years old. She finds comfort and inspiration in it and uses it to better her own life. So when people come out with "All Christians" or "All religions" stuff it just shows that they are willfully ignorant of people like a drug addict who uses it to stay clean, a person who becomes inspired to be a better, more understanding partner/parent/whatever. I don't care what tools you use to become a better person. "Religion" and "Christianity" are just red herrings (inb4 Clue). Fundies, no matter what side they fall on, are just too lazy to deal with problems on an individual level.

Keep your girlfriend.

//If you have kids, baptize them.
// You can use it as a reason why she has to go out on Sunday mornings and you can have the house to yourself.

No kids unless we adopt later. She's cool with me spending Sundays at home. I'll occasionally go to a service because I enjoy watching the ceremony, pagentry, and customs. I find it genuinely interesting. I'll also lend a hand when doing feedings for the homeless, etc. I just don't advocate the church is all and they are all cool with it.

 
2014-03-24 01:49:52 PM
Centralia, Pennsylvania?
 
2014-03-24 01:50:03 PM

PadreMontoya: [www.markstivers.com image 631x549]

Fire and brimstone lake.



The problem with a metal boat lined with Styrofoam is the metal will eventually reach the temperature of the fire and brimstone lake which will cause the Styrofoam to catch fire.
What you should use in replace of the Styrofoam is refractory ceramic fiber which can withstand up to 1400 deg. C.
 
2014-03-24 01:50:40 PM

FlashHarry: rjakobi: It's much easier to rationalize than the concept that every person gets to go to heaven irregardless of their actions. It establishes the idea of responsibility for one's actions.

irregardless?


Unindubitably
 
2014-03-24 01:50:41 PM

Deep Contact: PadreMontoya: [www.markstivers.com image 631x549]

Fire and brimstone lake.


The problem with a metal boat lined with Styrofoam is the metal will eventually reach the temperature of the fire and brimstone lake which will cause the Styrofoam to catch fire.
What you should use in replace of the Styrofoam is refractory ceramic fiber which can withstand up to 1400 deg. C.


or shuttle tiles. though they do tend to fall off.
 
2014-03-24 01:51:05 PM

RedZoneTuba: "It's a Mr. Ham on line 5, calling about creationism."
"OK, give me Ham on 5 and hold the Maher"


web.mit.edu
 
2014-03-24 01:51:35 PM

Bane of Broone: allylloyd


I hear you on that one. My gal is a Christian, but believes in evolution, kindness towards EVERYONE, is pro-choice, fiercely liberal....all that jazz. She doesn't care one bit about contradictions in a book that is thousands of years old. She finds comfort and inspiration in it and uses it to better her own life. So when people come out with "All Christians" or "All religions" stuff it just shows that they are willfully ignorant of people like a drug addict who uses it to stay clean, a person who becomes inspired to be a better, more understanding partner/parent/whatever. I don't care what tools you use to become a better person. "Religion" and "Christianity" are just red herrings (inb4 Clue). Fundies, no matter what side they fall on, are just too lazy to deal with problems on an individual level.

Keep your girlfriend.

//If you have kids, baptize them.
// You can use it as a reason why she has to go out on Sunday mornings and you can have the house to yourself.

No kids unless we adopt later. She's cool with me spending Sundays at home. I'll occasionally go to a service because I enjoy watching the ceremony, pagentry, and customs. I find it genuinely interesting. I'll also lend when doing feedings for the homeless, etc. I just don't advocate the church is all and they are all cool with it.



You. I like you. And your girlfriend.

Carry on.
 
2014-03-24 01:51:50 PM

Nabb1: What an asshole. Maher, too.

Send them to Thunderdome.


I'm not sure I see the logic of this.

What did Maher say that was assholish at all? All he did was point out an obvious contradiction - the "loving and kind god of forgiveness who will torture people for infinity years for basically no good reason, even if they're good people. How a figure which is clearly the most monstrously evil figure ever described by people in history as being touted as some kind of kind and loving figure makes no sense whatsoever.

Ham then, without a hunt of irony or self-awareness, reinforced that contradiction without a moment's thought or hesitation...

And you think Maher is the asshole? What are you smoking today an why aren't you sharing?
 
2014-03-24 01:52:27 PM

TomD9938: allylloyd: I think Jesus's (also a Jew, never a Christian)

That's sort of like saying Lou Gehrig didnt die of Lou Gehrig's Disease


Have you ever read The Acts of the Apostles? It was never their intention to start a new religious faith, but rather tell other people about the lessons they learned from Jesus Christ (a teacher--a Jewish rabbi). This changed when Paul (Saul in Acts) started teaching because his focus was no longer Jewish traditions and laws, but rather the teachings of Jesus Christ.

//Also, Paul changed how he gave his message depending on the people he was talking to...
 
2014-03-24 01:52:30 PM

allylloyd: rjakobi: Some 'Splainin' To Do: I just don't understand the concept of hell. The idea of eternal punishment is just so  evil, that I don't understand how Christians rationalize it.

It's much easier to rationalize than the concept that every person gets to go to heaven irregardless of their actions. It establishes the idea of responsibility for one's actions.

And the fun thing about heaven and hell is that it isn't a democratic process of who goes where. That is, in essence, out of human jurisdiction. Remember that next time you wish someone to go to hell.

Going TO heaven and getting INSIDE heaven are two very different things...


Actually, they are the same thing. It's impossible to accomplish either. What part of "dead" do you not grasp?
 
2014-03-24 01:53:25 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Look, I don't know what's so hard to understand here. God snaps his fingers and wills two full-grown adults into existence, but does a shiat job on their programming gets pissed off and visits terrible vengeance upon them, then later gets pissed off again and drowns everyone, and then he's still pissed about a rule he made up so he "sacrifices" (in that he dies, but he comes back a few days later, so it's not really a sacrifice) himself to himself in order to change that rule, and then because he's come off as such an asshole  in the story, in the sequel to the Old Testament they completely retcon him as happy loving funtime god, and the point here is that he loves you and sacrifices for you and wants to give you good things, but if you don't toe the line, he's gonna torture you forever and ever. So shape up and fly right. God loves you, but sometimes, baby, you just make him so mad.


*GOLF CLAP*
Well put.
I don't see where all the hate for Bill Maher is coming from... as an atheist I come to see his point of view often. Does he say some inflammatory things about all religion? Yes, but that's what he believes in. If you ever saw his movie Religious you would know why he says some of this stuff. He looks at it from the view that our leaders in political positions, the people who have real power to change the world, are mostly religious and let their religion dictate their decision making, which influences all of us. It's actually quite noble, but nothing he says will ever change the extremely devouts mind of anything. In fact it probably only digs people deeper into said beliefs, which doesn't really help. He speaks to those who tote the fence to look at the topic rationally, which is not possible for most.

With that said, nothing in his diatribe was anything unusual from him. Nor was anything really untrue. Your God, Ken Ham, is not merciful or graceful. Any God that would kill everyone on the planet because he did not like what they were doing is not kind. Any God that holds eternal damnation over your head for sinning or non-believing is not kind. What ever happened to forgiveness that your kind traffics in? Yeah... that's what I thought... Funny how your God only hates those who you hate isn't it?
 
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2014-03-24 01:53:40 PM
Did someone say overly attached Jesus?
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2014-03-24 01:54:18 PM

Sgt.Zim: TomD9938: Some 'Splainin' To Do: I just don't understand the concept of hell. The idea of eternal punishment is just so  evil, that I don't understand how Christians rationalize it.

It's simply an incentive to obey your Earthly masters.

Don't steal, don't kill, don't screw your neighbors wife, pay your taxes, enjoy eternal life.


But what if my neighbor invites me to screw his wife...

If her husband is ok with it, it's cool.


...and she's down for it too?

Immaterial.
 
2014-03-24 01:54:22 PM

Rapmaster2000: People were pretty uncreative if the best they could come up with is "lake of fire".


Notice how everything is defined in purely human terms.  Just like heaven supposedly has "streets of gold".  Why in the world would there be any need at all for gold there?  What possible use could it have there, beyond looking somewhat nice?

It's all just humans appealing to other human's prejudices, fears, and desires.
 
2014-03-24 01:54:31 PM
Notice Ham doesn't even address Maher's point about the Flood.
 
2014-03-24 01:55:23 PM

Gecko Gingrich: gilgigamesh: I am assuming (and this may be a big assumption) that Ken Ham doesn't believe in Santa Claus. Yet I am pretty sure he would view as absurd the assertion that he is "mad at Santa Claus". It isn't that hard a concept.

I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

~Rand Paul


Rand Paul? must be missing that joke or something...
 
2014-03-24 01:55:53 PM

Bane of Broone: allylloyd: Bane of Broone: allylloyd: Bane of Broone: allylloyd: After reading some of these posts, I don't know whose stereotypes are worse, the Atheists or the Christians?

They're both hilarious, but I'm an Atheist and even I'll admit that Atheists are usually easier to get riled up. I don't get it either. Aren't we supposed to be euphoric? :p

Since I'm not an atheist, I can't speak for atheists. However, I am a Christian, so when I hear a Christian say something ignorant, two thoughts come to mind:
1) They have a different interpretation of Scripture than I do or
2) They are just really ignorant.

//Sometimes it's a combination of both.

I hear you on that one. My gal is a Christian, but believes in evolution, kindness towards EVERYONE, is pro-choice, fiercely liberal....all that jazz. She doesn't care one bit about contradictions in a book that is thousands of years old. She finds comfort and inspiration in it and uses it to better her own life. So when people come out with "All Christians" or "All religions" stuff it just shows that they are willfully ignorant of people like a drug addict who uses it to stay clean, a person who becomes inspired to be a better, more understanding partner/parent/whatever. I don't care what tools you use to become a better person. "Religion" and "Christianity" are just red herrings (inb4 Clue). Fundies, no matter what side they fall on, are just too lazy to deal with problems on an individual level.

Keep your girlfriend.

//If you have kids, baptize them.
// You can use it as a reason why she has to go out on Sunday mornings and you can have the house to yourself.

No kids unless we adopt later. She's cool with me spending Sundays at home. I'll occasionally go to a service because I enjoy watching the ceremony, pagentry, and customs. I find it genuinely interesting. I'll also lend when doing feedings for the homeless, etc. I just don't advocate the church is all and they are all cool with it.


Adoption, that's even better.

//Your girlfriend has serious bragging rights.
//Personally question, what church (denomination) do you usually attend?
 
2014-03-24 01:56:54 PM

FlashHarry: Deep Contact: PadreMontoya: [www.markstivers.com image 631x549]

Fire and brimstone lake.


The problem with a metal boat lined with Styrofoam is the metal will eventually reach the temperature of the fire and brimstone lake which will cause the Styrofoam to catch fire.
What you should use in replace of the Styrofoam is refractory ceramic fiber which can withstand up to 1400 deg. C.

or shuttle tiles. though they do tend to fall off.


I do think we need to get NASA and such involved.  Since most scientists are going to hell (I'm looking at you, Bill Nye and NGT), they should have a vested interested in building hell-proof accessories.

Maybe they'll get right on that after they're done with all this big bang and origin of the universe stuff...
 
2014-03-24 01:57:16 PM

vudukungfu: Facetious_Speciest: By nature, Christians are psychotically arrogant. It's the entire basis of their religion.
Farked in the head. They hear voices, and should not have access to weapons.

Period.
Also, they need to STFU around anyone while out in public.

Religion is like a gun or a dick.
Ok to have one.
Ok to be proud of it.
Not Ok to wave it around in public, or ram it down kids throats.

If your farking religion is so farking true, then you don't have to "Indoctrinate" children with it, they will discover it as true on their own.
Of course, if your religion is full of shait and made up fairy tales, and circular logic, then perhaps they won't bite, and "indoctrinating" them is your only hope of keeping a following.
Assholes.


You... I like you
 
2014-03-24 01:58:55 PM

The Flexecutioner: [media.tumblr.com image 500x282]


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2014-03-24 01:59:04 PM

ReverendJynxed: Jews go to hell? I thought they just went through the cosmic washing machine?


Used to.  Then God started losing Jews.  It might have been in the comsic dryer.  God doesn't know and he's omnipotent.  You never lose a pair of Jews always just one.  And it's a good Jew too.  A scientist or a doctor.  Not a real estate speculator or a mall kiosk manager.
 
2014-03-24 01:59:20 PM

Some 'Splainin' To Do: I have heard that there is evidence that Judaism started out as polytheistic


Judaism was a polytheistic religion. During the Babylonian Exile the priest class was exposed to Zoroastrianism and the concept of Monotheism. This got them thinking "maybe the reason our god lets everybody pick on us despite the fact we're supposed to be his chosen ones is because not only are we supposed to have no other gods before him, we're supposed to have no other gods period".

One of the first to get chucked was the goddess Asherah who was essentially god's wife.

There are still odd little polytheistic Jewish cults in the middle east to this very day. Just like there are some really weird ancient Christian cults around the middle east too.
 
2014-03-24 01:59:51 PM

mattharvest: i.e. whether he simply re-organized a pre-existing creation (this is related to the concepts in gnosticism). If Yahweh just re-organized creation, then Yahweh itself is a very different being than if it truly Created the universe.


Didn't the Gnostics believe that Yahweh was the result of a "mistake" or maybe I'm confusing that with Gnostic Christianity that believed Yahweh was a mistake and "evil" God while the God that gave us Jesus was the "loving God".

I'm not as familiar with super early Judiasm as I am with super early Christianity.
 
2014-03-24 02:00:14 PM
It amazes me that so-calld Christians know nothing about the basic tenants of their own religion. Did no one ever tell them that Jesus supposedly came to deliver God's new covenant with Man: that the vengeful God had seen the error of his ways and that the new relationship would replace vengeance with unconditional love?
 
2014-03-24 02:00:54 PM
Bill Maher on fire.  Another promise religion makes that it wont come through on.  Come on guys, I'm ready to believe.  I will even bring the marsh mellows.  But you gotta bring Bill Maher engulfed in flames.
 
2014-03-24 02:01:01 PM

Ed Grubermann: allylloyd: rjakobi: Some 'Splainin' To Do: I just don't understand the concept of hell. The idea of eternal punishment is just so  evil, that I don't understand how Christians rationalize it.

It's much easier to rationalize than the concept that every person gets to go to heaven irregardless of their actions. It establishes the idea of responsibility for one's actions.

And the fun thing about heaven and hell is that it isn't a democratic process of who goes where. That is, in essence, out of human jurisdiction. Remember that next time you wish someone to go to hell.

Going TO heaven and getting INSIDE heaven are two very different things...

Actually, they are the same thing. It's impossible to accomplish either. What part of "dead" do you not grasp?


That is your interpretation and/or belief and you are entitled to it. I am entitled to mine.


//I'm going to Heaven. I have tickets to the Jerry Garcia, Levon Helm and Clarence Clemons concert.
//The music in Heaven is fantastic!
 
2014-03-24 02:01:47 PM

Bane of Broone: allylloyd: After reading some of these posts, I don't know whose stereotypes are worse, the Atheists or the Christians?

They're both hilarious, but I'm an Atheist and even I'll admit that Atheists are usually easier to get riled up. I don't get it either. Aren't we supposed to be euphoric? :p


Is this like the "both sides are bad, so vote republican!" ... because I think we both know who is being disingenuous here.
 
2014-03-24 02:01:54 PM

ReverendJynxed: Jews go to hell? I thought they just went through the cosmic washing machine?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91DSNL1BEeY

I'm afraid the Jews were right.
 
2014-03-24 02:02:20 PM

mayIFark: The whole point of Ken Ham's argument (against Bill Nye) was "Pic or didn't happen".

Now, let's ask him to produce that proof for his claim.


The null hypothesis is that a creation implies a Creator. It's just common sense. Thus, Nye has the burden of proving that sharp, serrated theropod teeth were not designed (by an infinitely intelligent god) to chew plants in Eden before the fall.
 
2014-03-24 02:02:39 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Notice Ham doesn't even address Maher's point about the Flood.


You aren't supposed to question, just accept.
*snert*

CSB
I got kicked out of vacation bible school for asking about the garden of eden and original sin. I said that if Jesus died on the cross to wipe out our sins, why were women still punished for the original sin, and babies born into sin? I also wanted to know how if God knew everything, he didn't know that Adam and Eve would eat the apple and acted suprised when they admitted it. I was 12 years old when I realized I was being lied to and misled.
/csb
 
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2014-03-24 02:04:27 PM

formerfloozy: Satanic_Hamster: Notice Ham doesn't even address Maher's point about the Flood.

You aren't supposed to question, just accept.
*snert*

CSB
I got kicked out of vacation bible school for asking about the garden of eden and original sin. I said that if Jesus died on the cross to wipe out our sins, why were women still punished for the original sin, and babies born into sin? I also wanted to know how if God knew everything, he didn't know that Adam and Eve would eat the apple and acted suprised when they admitted it. I was 12 years old when I realized I was being lied to and misled.
/csb


4.bp.blogspot.com
Can't have that...
 
2014-03-24 02:05:03 PM

allylloyd: That is your interpretation and/or belief and you are entitled to it. I am entitled to mine.


I've been thinking about Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindu and the rest and trying to figure out why they believe what they believe.

I have some thoughts on it...but, I'd like to get the opinion of a real life religionist on the matter, so I have to ask: WHY do you believe that a god exists?
 
2014-03-24 02:05:10 PM

allylloyd: TomD9938: allylloyd: I think Jesus's (also a Jew, never a Christian)

That's sort of like saying Lou Gehrig didnt die of Lou Gehrig's Disease


Have you ever read The Acts of the Apostles?


Maybe during confirmation 30 years ago.  My Sundays have been free since then.


It was never their intention to start a new religious faith, but rather tell other people about the lessons they learned from Jesus Christ (a teacher--a Jewish rabbi).


My point was that Jesus was as likely to have been a Christian as he would have been a Muslim.

Is there a Christian anywhere that doesn't know he was a Jew?
 
2014-03-24 02:06:49 PM

Lord_Baull:


The Aristocrats!
 
2014-03-24 02:07:17 PM
CanisNoir

Hell is a Christian concept that came about well after the "tribesmen" died, and iirc the very earliest references to it compared it to the flaming heap of garbage near Jerusalem. (Ghenna)

Technically, hell is a Germanic concept.

Jewish sects have held a place compared to the earthly Gehenna as a place of temporary tribulation. English-speaking Christians use the word "hell" because their ancestors used "hel" as a place of the afterlife for the non-awesome for thousands of years.

"Hel" existed before "hell." "Hell" is a Christian corruption of a Germanic concept mixed with a misunderstanding of Hebrew folklore (much like most of Christianity).
 
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