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(The Raw Story)   Creationist Ken Ham says that "God is a God of grace and mercy" and will demonstrate this by roasting Bill Maher in a "lake which burns with fire and brimstone" for eternity   (rawstory.com) divider line 515
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2014-03-24 11:42:21 AM  
ken ham is psychotic.
 
2014-03-24 11:47:01 AM  
What an asshole. Maher, too.

Send them to Thunderdome.
 
2014-03-24 12:04:19 PM  
The Christian Taliban is all about peace, love, and forgiveness, an accepting and gracious God of wonder.
amirite?
 
2014-03-24 12:06:12 PM  
I dunno, Ken...that wording sounds awfully polytheistic to me.
 
2014-03-24 12:06:56 PM  

Nabb1: What an asshole. Maher, too.

Send them to Thunderdome.


maher is supposed to be an asshole; that's his schtick.
 
2014-03-24 12:14:49 PM  

Secret Agent X23: I dunno, Ken...that wording sounds awfully polytheistic to me.


Yeah, what's this "a" God nonsense?

But then again, doesn't the first commandment tacitly admit the existence of other gods?
 
2014-03-24 12:21:04 PM  

NateAsbestos: Secret Agent X23: I dunno, Ken...that wording sounds awfully polytheistic to me.

Yeah, what's this "a" God nonsense?

But then again, doesn't the first commandment tacitly admit the existence of other gods?


What I like to call a "Target Rich Environment".
 
2014-03-24 12:25:21 PM  

FlashHarry: maher is supposed to be an asshole; that's his schtick.


agreed.

Still would like to take him, Andy Dick and a crazed badger tie them up in a sack and throw them in a river.

Not the most human way to put a crazed animal out how its misery.
 
2014-03-24 12:33:43 PM  
Bill Maher is blaming God for death because he does not want to accept that he is a sinner in need of salvation. He wants to be his own god - he shakes his fist at the God who created man and also provides the gift of salvation for those who will receive it.

Why is it so hard for these Ken Ham types to accept at face value that some people just don't believe in God?

I am assuming (and this may be a big assumption) that Ken Ham doesn't believe in Santa Claus. Yet I am pretty sure he would view as absurd the assertion that he is "mad at Santa Claus". It isn't that hard a concept.
 
2014-03-24 12:33:54 PM  
People were pretty uncreative if the best they could come up with is "lake of fire".
 
2014-03-24 12:38:45 PM  
Oh Internet, you never disappoint:

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2014-03-24 12:47:07 PM  
Grace and Mercy for me, but not for thee.

Isn't it great when God hates all the same people you hate?
 
2014-03-24 12:52:55 PM  

gilgigamesh: Bill Maher is blaming God for death because he does not want to accept that he is a sinner in need of salvation. He wants to be his own god - he shakes his fist at the God who created man and also provides the gift of salvation for those who will receive it.

Why is it so hard for these Ken Ham types to accept at face value that some people just don't believe in God?

I am assuming (and this may be a big assumption) that Ken Ham doesn't believe in Santa Claus. Yet I am pretty sure he would view as absurd the assertion that he is "mad at Santa Claus". It isn't that hard a concept.



My position is that Ham does not believe in any "god", much less his professed "god".
Only himself. Other "concepts" need not apply.
 
2014-03-24 01:02:16 PM  
Well we all knew Maher would burn for eternity after his little 9/11 comment, so this is just re-stating the obvious.
 
2014-03-24 01:03:46 PM  

bluorangefyre: his little 9/11 comment


too soon?
 
2014-03-24 01:03:55 PM  
The whole point of Ken Ham's argument (against Bill Nye) was "Pic or didn't happen".

Now, let's ask him to produce that proof for his claim.
 
2014-03-24 01:04:32 PM  
Jews go to hell? I thought they just went through the cosmic washing machine?
 
2014-03-24 01:04:56 PM  
And they'll know we are Christians by are love doesn't seem to be getting much play anymore.
 
2014-03-24 01:05:09 PM  

NateAsbestos: Secret Agent X23: I dunno, Ken...that wording sounds awfully polytheistic to me.

Yeah, what's this "a" God nonsense?

But then again, doesn't the first commandment tacitly admit the existence of other gods?


Yes, either that or it acknowledges that gods are created by humans.  Putting it into context with the story of the golden calf it seems pretty obvious that those guys were pretty ready to invent themselves a god.
 
2014-03-24 01:05:18 PM  
Ham ain't kosher. Just saying.
 
2014-03-24 01:05:38 PM  

NateAsbestos: Secret Agent X23: I dunno, Ken...that wording sounds awfully polytheistic to me.

Yeah, what's this "a" God nonsense?

But then again, doesn't the first commandment tacitly admit the existence of other gods?


Is son of God not a God? If it is, you got 2 right there.
 
2014-03-24 01:06:24 PM  
I just don't understand the concept of hell. The idea of eternal punishment is just so  evil, that I don't understand how Christians rationalize it.
 
2014-03-24 01:06:48 PM  
When you are about to die, repenting means nothing.//see you al in hell.
 
2014-03-24 01:07:26 PM  
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"Quiet dignity and grace..."
 
2014-03-24 01:07:38 PM  
Pig Maher trifecta now in play?  Or was that other thread from last night?
 
2014-03-24 01:08:22 PM  
Titus 1:15
 
2014-03-24 01:08:55 PM  
www.markstivers.com
 
2014-03-24 01:09:01 PM  

gilgigamesh: Bill Maher is blaming God for death because he does not want to accept that he is a sinner in need of salvation. He wants to be his own god - he shakes his fist at the God who created man and also provides the gift of salvation for those who will receive it.

Why is it so hard for these Ken Ham types to accept at face value that some people just don't believe in God?

I am assuming (and this may be a big assumption) that Ken Ham doesn't believe in Santa Claus. Yet I am pretty sure he would view as absurd the assertion that he is "mad at Santa Claus". It isn't that hard a concept.


Certain fundies (and Ken Ham seems to be one of them) believe that humans exist ONLY as a reflection of God, and that there are no human acts that do not affect their relationship with the Creator. So even if Bill Maher doesn't believe in God, God believes in him and Maher's denial is a de facto act of defiance.

/Atheist, but I don't see any reason to proselytize about it. If you don't come to that conclusion yourself, then you're probably better off finding some mythology that suits you.
 
2014-03-24 01:09:01 PM  

snocone: NateAsbestos: Secret Agent X23: I dunno, Ken...that wording sounds awfully polytheistic to me.

Yeah, what's this "a" God nonsense?

But then again, doesn't the first commandment tacitly admit the existence of other gods?

What I like to call a "Target Rich Environment".


That stunt gives me a +2 on gun attacks when there are multiple targets in the same zone.
 
2014-03-24 01:10:07 PM  

Egoy3k: NateAsbestos: Secret Agent X23: I dunno, Ken...that wording sounds awfully polytheistic to me.

Yeah, what's this "a" God nonsense?

But then again, doesn't the first commandment tacitly admit the existence of other gods?

Yes, either that or it acknowledges that gods are created by humans.  Putting it into context with the story of the golden calf it seems pretty obvious that those guys were pretty ready to invent themselves a god.


The thing I find odd about that commandment is that the "no other god's  before me" seems to imply that other gods are just fine, so long as Yahweh is at the top of the pantheon. I have heard that there is evidence that Judaism started out as polytheistic, so maybe this is a holdover from that period and represents a transition to eventual monotheism as future generations interpreted that commandment more strictly.

Or maybe the context is more obvious in the original Hebrew and it really does mean, "no other gods, period".

/Shrug
 
2014-03-24 01:10:19 PM  
My God is an awesome God, who makes awesome sauce.
 
2014-03-24 01:10:19 PM  
"...Ken Ham   to reassure his readers that Maher will get his in the end."

giggity
 
2014-03-24 01:10:44 PM  
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this helps quell my rage when I hear about this guy.  i sometimes combine it with 2 deep breaths, in through the nose, out through the mouth.  it's sublime hilarity calms me.

/its funny cuz it has two syllables
 
2014-03-24 01:10:49 PM  
Brimstone? Satan still hasn't updated that lake yet? You can buy fire glass right off Amazon at the very least.

See, this is why the Fallen One doesn't stand a chance of winning the Holy War. He just doesn't know how to modernize. He should talk to Steve Jobs.
 
2014-03-24 01:10:53 PM  
Didn't think it was possible to find a bigger douche than Bill Maher. Impressive.
 
2014-03-24 01:11:24 PM  

Rapmaster2000: People were pretty uncreative if the best they could come up with is "lake of fire".


It would've confused the tribesmen if hell were described as having to sit on a crowded train for eternity, forced to listen to other people's loud personal cell phone conversations.
 
2014-03-24 01:11:36 PM  
Yahweh the war god wants the blood wall wet.
 
2014-03-24 01:12:12 PM  
 
2014-03-24 01:13:21 PM  

gilgigamesh: I am assuming (and this may be a big assumption) that Ken Ham doesn't believe in Santa Claus. Yet I am pretty sure he would view as absurd the assertion that he is "mad at Santa Claus". It isn't that hard a concept.


I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

~Rand Paul
 
2014-03-24 01:13:31 PM  

gilgigamesh: Why is it so hard for these Ken Ham types to accept at face value that some people just don't believe in God?


Didn't you know that anyone that isn't Christian just needs to be shown the way? At least that's what they tried to tell me in Sunday school... that "we" do our best to convert the nonbelievers so they may know Christ's love... unless they happen to live in a predominately jewish, catholic, hindi or muslim neighborhood. "We" didn't bother them, for some strange reason.

Lately I've been being pestered to donate for a local church's mission to Nicaragua. "No thanks, I don't support religious oppression" is not an answer they're prepared for, I'll tell ya.
 
2014-03-24 01:13:40 PM  
When your god creates an entire planet with his own powers. Then drowns all his creations in a horrible flood. Your god is a four year old with a sadistic streak.
 
2014-03-24 01:13:49 PM  

The Flexecutioner: [media.tumblr.com image 500x282]

this helps quell my rage when I hear about this guy.  i sometimes combine it with 2 deep breaths, in through the nose, out through the mouth.  it's sublime hilarity calms me.

/its funny cuz it has two syllables


i1.ytimg.com

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2014-03-24 01:14:00 PM  
I've heard this one before.

Roasting in a lake which burns with fire and brimstone is more merciful than blinking you out of existence after you die, because you see, you're still living forever, and who doesn't want to live forever?
 
2014-03-24 01:14:13 PM  
Christianity is inherently wacky, so it's not surprising when Christians say wacky things.

I mean, it's a cult based on Jewish beliefs, but they think the Jews...the only source of information regarding the deity they worship...are all wrong. Think about that.

They (if they speak English) call their deity "God," which is somewhat akin to calling your dog "Dog" and getting mad when other people with other dogs don't recognise the primacy of Dog. Hello, your Hebrew god has a name. It's not "God." That's just capitalising a Germanic word (like Dog).

After rejecting the understandings of the deity held by those they nicked the concept of said deity from, they then re-imagined said deity as an super-god, granting him all kinds of special position and powers that are wholly inconsistent with the earlier lore of said god. It's like if a bunch of people adopted Shango and transformed him into the ultimate deity, called him Bob, and told people of African descent that they never really got Shango, because he's Bob, and reasons.

By nature, Christians are psychotically arrogant. It's the entire basis of their religion.
 
2014-03-24 01:14:30 PM  
So Bill Maher is dead, adios P.O.S.
 
2014-03-24 01:15:29 PM  
Christians find the concept of hell not existing more offensive than god not existing.
 
2014-03-24 01:15:30 PM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: I just don't understand the concept of hell. The idea of eternal punishment is just so  evil, that I don't understand how Christians rationalize it.


It's simply an incentive to obey your Earthly masters.

Don't steal, don't kill, don't screw your neighbors wife, pay your taxes, enjoy eternal life.
 
2014-03-24 01:15:33 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Rapmaster2000: People were pretty uncreative if the best they could come up with is "lake of fire".

It would've confused the tribesmen if hell were described as having to sit on a crowded train for eternity, forced to listen to other people's loud personal cell phone conversations.


Yep, they worked with what they know. Volcanoes and earthquakes were the bad boys of the day. Our hell will be ice caps melting and beaches flooding.
 
2014-03-24 01:15:34 PM  

Egoy3k: NateAsbestos: Secret Agent X23: I dunno, Ken...that wording sounds awfully polytheistic to me.

Yeah, what's this "a" God nonsense?

But then again, doesn't the first commandment tacitly admit the existence of other gods?

Yes, either that or it acknowledges that gods are created by humans.  Putting it into context with the story of the golden calf it seems pretty obvious that those guys were pretty ready to invent themselves a god.


The Hebrews weren't monotheistic until late in the game.
 
2014-03-24 01:16:01 PM  

NateAsbestos: Secret Agent X23: I dunno, Ken...that wording sounds awfully polytheistic to me.

Yeah, what's this "a" God nonsense?

But then again, doesn't the first commandment tacitly admit the existence of other gods?


Slight misinterpretation.

I'll explain it to you in simple language. Three faiths: Judaism, Christianity and Islam believe in ONE God (the same God). Judaism and Islam also believe in the Holy Spirit (as described in the Old Testament). Christianity believes in the Trinity (God=Father, God=Son (Jesus) and God= Holy Spirit) who they are equal in their "importance".
When God said "You shall have no other Gods but me", he was speaking to people who believed in Him but were also praying to other "gods" for repentance or help. In other words, if you believe in God, you must allow God to answer your prayers, and not go to another God because you don't like the answer he gives you.
 
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