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(Mother Jones)   How science became cool, by Neil deGrasse Tyson   (motherjones.com) divider line 62
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2014-03-24 12:51:22 PM
Fun Fact: If you slow down a speech by Neil Degrasse Tyson, it totally makes him sound like a stoner
 
2014-03-24 01:19:04 PM
Pff.  I was into science before it was cool.
 
2014-03-24 01:38:41 PM
hothardware.com
 
2014-03-24 01:40:23 PM

scottydoesntknow: Fun Fact: If you slow down a speech by Neil Degrasse Tyson, it totally makes him sound like a stoner


Does that not apply to most folks? That or they're on the sizzurp...
 
2014-03-24 01:41:58 PM
Science just had to speak up rather than rely on the old "facts will speak for themselves".

Glad that scientists and science advocates like Tyson and Nye finally started to speak out again, because the facts won't.

//I feel Bill Nye took a break between the end of his show and now.
 
2014-03-24 01:49:59 PM
Science is cool? He's not paying much attention to the actual reality of the world is he? He's just sprouting some nonsense that makes people feel good. If science was cool we wouldn't be having stupidity about global warming, solar power, vaccines, evolution, religion, etc, etc, etc. If science was cool, he wouldn't have to feel the need to say it. Everybody would know it.
 
2014-03-24 01:50:59 PM
theallureofbooks.com

The success of this show sure didn't hurt.

/Yes, I am serious
 
2014-03-24 01:54:24 PM

Beerguy: The success of this show sure didn't hurt.

/Yes, I am serious


As a scientist, that show infuriates me. Two reasons:

First, it's not very flattering to real scientists and engineers.

Second, a real scientist would pluck and mount her like a stallion takes his liking from among the mares.
 
Bf+
2014-03-24 01:54:46 PM
Fads come and go, but science was always cool.
 
2014-03-24 01:55:05 PM
Science has always been cool. People are just less stupid than a couple years ago. Not a lot less stupid, but less.
 
2014-03-24 01:58:05 PM

Beerguy: [theallureofbooks.com image 850x649]

The success of this show sure didn't hurt.

/Yes, I am serious


That show is like black face for nerds. It couldn't be anymore insulting.
 
2014-03-24 02:01:35 PM

AgentPothead: Beerguy: [theallureofbooks.com image 850x649]

The success of this show sure didn't hurt.

/Yes, I am serious

That show is like black face for nerds. It couldn't be anymore insulting.


I would say the term 'black face for nerds' is much more insulting.
 
2014-03-24 02:01:43 PM

Beerguy: The success of this show sure didn't hurt.


I cannot say enough bad things about that show.
 
2014-03-24 02:03:08 PM

scottydoesntknow: I would say the term 'black face for nerds' is much more insulting.


You'd be wrong.
 
2014-03-24 02:03:25 PM

Fubini: As a scientist, that show infuriates me. Two reasons:

First, it's not very flattering to real scientists and engineers.

Second, a real scientist would pluck and mount her like a stallion takes his liking from among the mares.


AgentPothead: That show is like black face for nerds. It couldn't be anymore insulting.


All of that doesn't change the fact that the shows influence on pop culture is undeniable.
 
2014-03-24 02:07:19 PM
Did he troll anyone on Twitter?
 
2014-03-24 02:07:58 PM
Science has ALWAYS been cool, guys.  What NDT (and actually I have an equally strong nerdgasm over Dr. Michio Kaku) did was make theoretical physics and astrophysics ACCESSIBLE to people how may not have "gotten" physics in a formal classroom setting.  Many of us who LIKE science and do well with biology and chemistry simply go glossy eyed when we hear a lecture on physics from a regular math based perspective, but Tyson and Kaku can take the need for the calculations out of the way of modelling the theory and make it understandable....then if you get curious about the mathematical aspect of the proof, you can go watch a more detailed lecture.  I overcame my fear of the math that way...getting the theory straight in my head by listening to the "popularists" and THEN trying to understand the math after the fact.  I think that if physical scientists teaching at the lower levels (middle school and up) tried to emulate the way the popularists explain theory rather than trying to make a 15 year old kid understand math that is FAR too complicated for them that early, fewer kids (especially girls) would give up on physics before we ever get to college, thinking it's just too hard to learn.
 
2014-03-24 02:14:35 PM

Beerguy: All of that doesn't change the fact that the shows influence on pop culture is undeniable.


American Idol had an influence on Pop Culture. The Kardasians have had an influence on pop culture. It's all crap and belongs in the same category. It's a dumb sitcom. The writing isn't clever or witty. The laugh track is annoying as hell. It's shiat that fans of the 30 minute laugh-track medium can use to pretend they're watching something clever and smart. Its influence on the relationship of science and society in general is a negative one for the reasons others have mentioned. In case you can't quite see it, the "sciencey" aspect of the show is meaningless window dressing for the completely run-of-the-mill jokes about nerdy guys trying to overcome their socially awkward bookworminess and get laid.I remember when it was called "Revenge of the Nerds" and was a full length movie.
 
2014-03-24 02:15:48 PM
I always liked the message of Real Genius. Science in and of itself isn't cool or not cool, nor is it moral or amoral. It's all in what you do with it.
 
2014-03-24 02:16:09 PM

Fubini: Beerguy: The success of this show sure didn't hurt.

/Yes, I am serious

As a scientist, that show infuriates me. Two reasons:

First, it's not very flattering to real scientists and engineers.

Second, a real scientist would pluck and mount her like a stallion takes his liking from among the mares.


I find the anger at this show for that reason somewhat misplaced.  They're not cast in an awkward light for their brains and scientific prowess.  In fact, their brains, ingenuity, and accomplishments are treated rather well.  Teased a bit, yes, but definitely lauded.

The negative/stereotypical elements tend to come from their fandom and obsessive elements - geeking out over Star Wars, comic books, etc.  In characters that have those element separated, you notice that "obsessive fandom" is treated negatively and stereotypically (Stuart, Captain Sweatpants, Zach), but those with just the brains are treated quite well (Bernadette, Dr. Stephanie, David Underhill).  The primary exception to this is Amy, who has none of the fandom elements but was treated rather negatively early.  It's been getting better, though.

If anything, excessive fandom is portrayed badly, not brains and scientific drive.
 
2014-03-24 02:18:57 PM

WinoRhino: Beerguy: All of that doesn't change the fact that the shows influence on pop culture is undeniable.

American Idol had an influence on Pop Culture. The Kardasians have had an influence on pop culture. It's all crap and belongs in the same category. It's a dumb sitcom. The writing isn't clever or witty. The laugh track is annoying as hell. It's shiat that fans of the 30 minute laugh-track medium can use to pretend they're watching something clever and smart. Its influence on the relationship of science and society in general is a negative one for the reasons others have mentioned. In case you can't quite see it, the "sciencey" aspect of the show is meaningless window dressing for the completely run-of-the-mill jokes about nerdy guys trying to overcome their socially awkward bookworminess and get laid.I remember when it was called "Revenge of the Nerds" and was a full length movie.


I go back and forth on my opinion of ROTN. On one hand, I dislike that through most of the movie, the nerds are only shown to be cool when they are lowering themselves. On the other hand, I like that they figured out at the end that being cool the way others are cool doesn't really matter. It only matters that you are proud of who you are.
 
2014-03-24 02:20:16 PM

scottydoesntknow: I would say the term 'black face for nerds' is much more insulting.


I have never liked the comparison of the show to minstrel shows and blackface. To try and equate the struggle of socially inept white guys and an oppressed minority is offensive. I'm not claiming that it's a good show- I've never watched it and have no interest in it, either. A slightly less offensive comparison might be equating it to a sideshow- let's take the freaks and put them on display!
 
2014-03-24 02:30:11 PM

t3knomanser: scottydoesntknow: I would say the term 'black face for nerds' is much more insulting.

I have never liked the comparison of the show to minstrel shows and blackface. To try and equate the struggle of socially inept white guys and an oppressed minority is offensive. I'm not claiming that it's a good show- I've never watched it and have no interest in it, either. A slightly less offensive comparison might be equating it to a sideshow- let's take the freaks and put them on display!


Fair point about the inequality.

The accusations about the show are true, though. The show is like taking old jokes and making them about comic book characters instead of priests or sailors or whatever.
 
2014-03-24 02:39:48 PM

t3knomanser: scottydoesntknow: I would say the term 'black face for nerds' is much more insulting.

I have never liked the comparison of the show to minstrel shows and blackface. To try and equate the struggle of socially inept white guys and an oppressed minority is offensive. I'm not claiming that it's a good show- I've never watched it and have no interest in it, either. A slightly less offensive comparison might be equating it to a sideshow- let's take the freaks and put them on display!


I think it's less equating it to a slideshow than misrepresenting the populations. Not misrepresenting in a common, sitcom way, but in the kind of non-inclusive "Hey, look at those dumb-farks" way that minstrel shows and black-face do in an even nastier way.

I do confess to jerking off to the episode where Sheldon spanks Amy though.
 
2014-03-24 02:48:55 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-24 02:49:40 PM

Nurglitch: Not misrepresenting in a common, sitcom way, but in the kind of non-inclusive "Hey, look at those dumb-farks" way that minstrel shows and black-face do in an even nastier way.


It's definitely a "look at this class of people, aren't they weird and funny because stereotypes?" My argument isn't that the comparison to minstrel shows is an inaccurate  type, as much as it is inaccurate in  degree. BBT isn't offensive, it's just lazy.
 
2014-03-24 03:08:35 PM

Fubini: Beerguy: The success of this show sure didn't hurt.

/Yes, I am serious

As a scientist, that show infuriates me. Two reasons:

First, it's not very flattering to real scientists and engineers.

Second, a real scientist would pluck and mount her like a stallion takes his liking from among the mares.


I hate the show because it's not funny.  "Oh look, they're nerds!  With nerd stereotypes!  They can't even play Pictionary right!  HA HA!"
 
2014-03-24 03:18:35 PM
"The more I learn about these aliens, the more I come to understand what drives them, the more I hate them. I hate them for what they are and for what they may one day become. I hate them not because they hate us but because they are incapable of good, honest, human hatred."
 
2014-03-24 03:27:41 PM
Paging John Buck 41! An intelligent astrophysicist who happens to be black is being mentioned. Time for the usual "If He Wasn't Black No One Would Care" posts.
 
2014-03-24 03:39:47 PM

unchellmatt: Paging John Buck 41! An intelligent astrophysicist who happens to be black is being mentioned. Time for the usual "If He Wasn't Black No One Would Care" posts.


Please don't tell me he actually said that.
 
2014-03-24 03:44:55 PM

bborchar: Fubini: Beerguy: The success of this show sure didn't hurt.

/Yes, I am serious

As a scientist, that show infuriates me. Two reasons:

First, it's not very flattering to real scientists and engineers.

Second, a real scientist would pluck and mount her like a stallion takes his liking from among the mares.

I hate the show because it's not funny.  "Oh look, they're nerds!  With nerd stereotypes!  They can't even play Pictionary right!  HA HA!"


This. I wouldn't say I hate the show, I just find it unfunny. Whenever I am at a friends house and they have it on I go in another room or try and get a good conversation going.
 
2014-03-24 03:46:28 PM
Science is not cool, pop culture's perception of "science" is cool.
This article is like saying the 50,000 crime drama shows indicate a boon in forensic science and doctors.

It's good to see people not changing the channel after whatever cartoon precedes Cosmos, but science will never be cool. It's not supposed to be.
 
2014-03-24 04:15:01 PM
In before...

BalugaJoe: Did he troll anyone on Twitter?


Dammit
 
2014-03-24 04:36:53 PM

BalugaJoe: Did he troll anyone on Twitter?


And was it hilarious?
 
2014-03-24 04:50:56 PM

AgentPothead: Beerguy: [theallureofbooks.com image 850x649]

The success of this show sure didn't hurt.

/Yes, I am serious

That show is like black face for nerds. It couldn't be anymore insulting.


Meh.  Get over the Big Bang hate. It's a pretty good sitcom. Sure, it makes fun of geeky scientists and the attendant stereotypes...

That's kinda what sitcoms do.

Geeks are all 'THIS ISN'T WHAT IT'S REALLY LIKE TO BE A GEEK!!!!'

No, really?  TV isn't real?!?!?!  WTF?!

I guess doctors, journalists, lawyers, cops, and architects have just gotten used to their professions and lifestyles being misrepresented.
 
2014-03-24 05:06:39 PM
www.startalkradio.net
 
2014-03-24 05:07:24 PM

unchellmatt: Paging John Buck 41! An intelligent astrophysicist who happens to be black is being mentioned. Time for the usual "If He Wasn't Black No One Would Care" posts.


How does he explain Sagan? Or if you want to get more general, Bill Nye?
 
2014-03-24 05:26:28 PM
Whatevs! NDT weirds me out.
 
2014-03-24 05:51:19 PM
Neil deGrasse Tyson Trolled Fundamentalists On Cosmos, And It's Pretty Hilarious
 
2014-03-24 05:56:58 PM

Teresaol31: Science has ALWAYS been cool, guys.  What NDT (and actually I have an equally strong nerdgasm over Dr. Michio Kaku) did was make theoretical physics and astrophysics ACCESSIBLE to people how may not have "gotten" physics in a formal classroom setting.  Many of us who LIKE science and do well with biology and chemistry simply go glossy eyed when we hear a lecture on physics from a regular math based perspective, but Tyson and Kaku can take the need for the calculations out of the way of modelling the theory and make it understandable....then if you get curious about the mathematical aspect of the proof, you can go watch a more detailed lecture.  I overcame my fear of the math that way...getting the theory straight in my head by listening to the "popularists" and THEN trying to understand the math after the fact.  I think that if physical scientists teaching at the lower levels (middle school and up) tried to emulate the way the popularists explain theory rather than trying to make a 15 year old kid understand math that is FAR too complicated for them that early, fewer kids (especially girls) would give up on physics before we ever get to college, thinking it's just too hard to learn.


Tyson is a good speaker and does a good job at making science, especially physics and astrophysics, enjoyable and easy to understand. He puts his opinion out there on some other science topics and debates as well. But I absolutely hate seeing and listening to Kaku speak about anything science related. He is basically the Aliens guy from the History channel with a more respectable background. Kaku does way too many "in 50-200 years" ideas or "if we just did this, we could have this magical technology". He just does way too much theory which I guess is appropriate considering his degree is in theoretical physics regarding string theory. So many ideas but almost no facts and no way to test it.
 
2014-03-24 06:25:46 PM
Wait, isn't this the guy who wants to put scientists who don't agree with him in jail?
 
2014-03-24 06:37:10 PM
science still isn't cool, pretending to be smart is cool. here watch me:

*clicks like on I farking love science facebook page*


Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
- Carl Sagan


Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is not to stop questioning.
- Albert Einstein


*clicks like on Neil deGrasse fanpage*


The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.
- Socrates


*puts Cosmos on in the background while browsing reddit and generally not paying attention*


Just got done watching Cosmos, you guys should check it out I learned a lot I especially liked the part where he talked about science!
 
2014-03-24 06:40:04 PM

StopLurkListen:


Who's the guy next to Neil?
 
2014-03-24 06:50:10 PM

lake_huron: StopLurkListen:

Who's the guy next to Neil?


Laurence Fishburne
 
2014-03-24 06:50:18 PM
Most people fall back on 'The Bible' as a defense because they think their belief structure should not be impugned upon, and thus, you have to respect their opinion because of their Faith. This is wrong, as they have no real defense, and it's foolish to think that Religion, based on doctrines created when people still wiped their asses with their left hands, would have anything to do with the advancements of today. It's downright facetious to even enter into the defense of Religious belief in terms of science, and only harbors further ignorance to the truth.

I'm all for contrariness, giving The Man the one finger salute, but this is just stupid. The findings are based on fact, not emotion, not feelings, not beliefs, but facts that can be duplicated over and over and over. This type of testing doesn't hold any water in Religious circles, and it's beyond folly to accept "It's God's Will" as an acceptable defense. In their own religion, it states man cannot fathom God, so they cannot speak for Him, or His will when it comes right down to it, but they do it, and I don't know why.

Why be so obstinate? Why readily accept the lack of knowledge? Why simply go in the dark of ignorance instead of the light of understanding? I know, it's all emotional faith crap, but it's just so damned frustrating to have mental knuckle draggers try to dictate decorum in science realms, or if something gains popularity, demand equal time. Even Creationist Museums and the like are just downright imbecilic in their nature. I know Religion is all about money, getting as much as they can to keep people in ignorance forever, it's why the Catholic Church was so powerful for so many centuries, but the truth is: They've had their time, now stand aside for the true giants of the human race to lead and direct us to our next great epoch.
 
2014-03-24 07:05:12 PM

falcon176: science still isn't cool, pretending to be smart is cool. here watch me:

*clicks like on I farking love science facebook page*


Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
- Carl Sagan


Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is not to stop questioning.
- Albert Einstein


*clicks like on Neil deGrasse fanpage*


The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.
- Socrates


*puts Cosmos on in the background while browsing reddit and generally not paying attention*


Just got done watching Cosmos, you guys should check it out I learned a lot I especially liked the part where he talked about science!


Hit the nail on the head with this one.  The dumbest people I know are the ones who post the most things from the I Farking Love Science FB page.
 
2014-03-24 07:13:29 PM

unchellmatt: Paging John Buck 41! An intelligent astrophysicist who happens to be black is being mentioned. Time for the usual "If He Wasn't Black No One Would Care" posts.


Buck's an asshole for sure but I don't seem him bringing this up in De Grasse Tyson threads (do I have the mods to thank for that?)
 
2014-03-24 07:14:23 PM

Mad_Radhu: Neil deGrasse Tyson Trolled Fundamentalists On Cosmos, And It's Pretty Hilarious


LOL I wonder who paid for that and for long long that'll keep showing up on Fark. Isn't Gravity already on DVD?
 
2014-03-24 07:19:49 PM

Orgasmatron138: I always liked the message of Real Genius. Science in and of itself isn't cool or not cool, nor is it moral or amoral. It's all in what you do with it.


Stop touching yourself, Kent.
 
2014-03-24 07:32:48 PM

Beerguy: Fubini: As a scientist, that show infuriates me. Two reasons:

First, it's not very flattering to real scientists and engineers.

Second, a real scientist would pluck and mount her like a stallion takes his liking from among the mares.

AgentPothead: That show is like black face for nerds. It couldn't be anymore insulting.

All of that doesn't change the fact that the shows influence on pop culture is undeniable.


Nah the show is a symptom not a cause.

Nerd/Geek cool came through in the late 90s, powered by the internet and some TV shows and movies.. then popular/controversial science came into the public gaze with a few very prominent people. Strong people out there talking combined with a large base of people ready to lap it up made science cool.. it was a long and inevitable shift in the zeitgeist.
 
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