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(Yahoo)   Iran says mock Nimitz-class air craft carrier is for a movie, possibly setting the stage for another horrible version of The Final Countdown   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 68
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2014-03-24 10:30:29 AM
iranian movies are awful. that is all.
 
2014-03-24 10:34:44 AM
 
2014-03-24 10:41:39 AM
That doesn't look like the Nimitz at all
 
2014-03-24 10:41:59 AM

cretinbob: lolwut?


We leaving for Venus
 
2014-03-24 11:49:05 AM
If mitt Romney had watched The Final Countdown, he could have saved himself some pain at the debate for saying that stupid thing about how our navy has less ships than we had in WWI.

If one of our carriers from the 80s was powerful enough that it could have turned the tide of WWII, then I'm pretty sure one of our current carriers could have done even more damage in WWI.
 
2014-03-24 12:05:37 PM

cretinbob: lolwut?


That is definitely another horrible version of The Final Countdown...
 
2014-03-24 12:25:24 PM

kbronsito:

If one of our carriers from the 80s was powerful enough that it could have turned the tide of WWII,


Did the Japanese win WW2 ?

I hope you learned history in a private school because you at least have a good case for getting a refund.
 
2014-03-24 12:37:16 PM

cretinbob: lolwut?


I think a horrible version of Heat of the Moment might be more in order here.
 
2014-03-24 12:39:20 PM
It's an illusion, Michael.
 
2014-03-24 12:40:02 PM
I can see how that would play out. American aggressors come in with their menacing aircraft carrier and a heroic Iranian everyman blows it up from the inside.
 
2014-03-24 12:42:55 PM
I worked with VF-84 in the early 90s and the guys in that unit had some stories about shooting that movie. At one point, a Tomcat is trying to stay behind the "zero". It rolls over and dives down to the water. As it turns out, that was not scripted. The Tomcat was just having a heck of a time not stalling out going that slow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMq99xV5APA

/Check 5:38 in clip
 
2014-03-24 12:46:21 PM
I'd rather see a miniseries made from the World War 2.0 books. Kinda along the lines of the Final Countdown but they actually fought.
 
2014-03-24 12:46:25 PM

One Bad Apple: kbronsito:

If one of our carriers from the 80s was powerful enough that it could have turned the tide of WWII,

Did the Japanese win WW2 ?

I hope you learned history in a private school because you at least have a good case for getting a refund.


I think kbronsito is thinking about that movie where a Nimitz-class carrier goes back in time and has to decide whether to stop the Pearl Harbor attack.
 
2014-03-24 12:47:10 PM

One Bad Apple: kbronsito:

If one of our carriers from the 80s was powerful enough that it could have turned the tide of WWII,

Did the Japanese win WW2 ?

I hope you learned history in a private school because you at least have a good case for getting a refund.


It's even worse.  The Japanese basically started losing right after Pearl Harbor.

The first major engagement after Pearl Harbor, the Battle of the Coral Sea, was a tactical loss but strategic win for the Allies, and it was followed up by the crushing blow to the Japanese at Midway, just 6 months after the attack on Pearl.

The Japanese were never going to realistically be able to win in a war against the US, and even some of the Japanese knew that (including Isoroku Yamamoto).
 
2014-03-24 12:47:22 PM
media.cinemasquid.com
 
2014-03-24 12:47:40 PM
Actually it was probably the Enterprise (so not technically a Nimitz-class) -- IIRC it was one of the ones with a namesake that was also a carrier in WWII.
 
2014-03-24 12:48:08 PM

GameSprocket: It rolls over and dives down to the water. As it turns out, that was not scripted. The Tomcat was just having a heck of a time not stalling out going that slow.


Wow, that was a little hairy for a moment
 
2014-03-24 12:49:38 PM

One Bad Apple: kbronsito:

If one of our carriers from the 80s was powerful enough that it might have turned the tide of WWII,

Did the Japanese win WW2 ?

I hope you learned history in a private school because you at least have a good case for getting a refund.


Forget it, He's rolling

www.sondrakistan.com
 
2014-03-24 12:51:04 PM
*SYNTHESIZERRIFF*
 
2014-03-24 12:53:01 PM
In this one the Iranimitz goes back in time to stop Ben Affleck from making "Argo"
 
2014-03-24 12:55:20 PM
If I'm going to rob a bank, I work with a full sized model for practice.

When I rob an armored car, same deal.

So why are they scratching their heads about a mock up carrier?
 
2014-03-24 12:55:49 PM
So they are going to make Argo after all?
 
2014-03-24 12:56:21 PM
Because it's not full size, it's 2/3 scale.
 
2014-03-24 12:57:58 PM

xanadian: cretinbob: lolwut?

That is definitely another horrible version of The Final Countdown...


Made famous by our own TMLO.

However, this animated version is still my personal favorite.
 
2014-03-24 12:58:38 PM
i1.ytimg.com

Whats funnier, is the Lead singer for Europe claims this was terrible, the guy who has barely one hit claims this band was shiat. Most metal fans agree Europe was shiat.
 
2014-03-24 01:01:04 PM

One Bad Apple: kbronsito:

If one of our carriers from the 80s was powerful enough that it could have turned the tide of WWII,

Did the Japanese win WW2 ?

I hope you learned history in a private school because you at least have a good case for getting a refund.


Why would we go to war with the Japanese?  They make all our cars, dude.
 
2014-03-24 01:04:54 PM

dittybopper: One Bad Apple: kbronsito:

If one of our carriers from the 80s was powerful enough that it could have turned the tide of WWII,

Did the Japanese win WW2 ?

I hope you learned history in a private school because you at least have a good case for getting a refund.

It's even worse.  The Japanese basically started losing right after Pearl Harbor.

The first major engagement after Pearl Harbor, the Battle of the Coral Sea, was a tactical loss but strategic win for the Allies, and it was followed up by the crushing blow to the Japanese at Midway, just 6 months after the attack on Pearl.

The Japanese were never going to realistically be able to win in a war against the US, and even some of the Japanese knew that (including Isoroku Yamamoto).


Even though the smarter people on both sides knew that Japan couldn't win, Midway is considered the official turning point of the pacific theater.

If I remember correctly... the japanese were caught by surprise and didn't know where the first wave of attacking aircraft came from until those planes had to return to their carriers and were followed. In the Final Countdown movie context, those counter strike planes wouldn't have been able to keep up with the modern planes and even if they could, given the extra range... they may not have been able to make it all the way to the Nimitz to counter strike. They Japanese fleet could be sunk without them ever knowing where the planes came from.
 
2014-03-24 01:07:34 PM

kbronsito: If mitt Romney had watched The Final Countdown, he could have saved himself some pain at the debate for saying that stupid thing about how our navy has less ships than we had in WWI.

If one of our carriers from the 80s was powerful enough that it could have turned the tide of WWII, then I'm pretty sure one of our current carriers could have done even more damage in WWI.


Have you read the Axis of Time books by John Birmingham?
 
2014-03-24 01:08:53 PM

kbronsito: If mitt Romney had watched The Final Countdown, he could have saved himself some pain at the debate for saying that stupid thing about how our navy has less ships than we had in WWI.

If one of our carriers from the 80s was powerful enough that it could have turned the tide of WWII, then I'm pretty sure one of our current carriers could have done even more damage in WWI.


That and in WWI/WWII the rest of the world had pretty large navies.  Even, say, Argentina had a navy that was technologically comparable to ours and contained a half dozen major capital ships plus support craft and escorts.  And the whole WORLD was like that.

These days?  Most of the world just has a few frigates.  And most of the world with larger and more advanced navies ARE ON OUR SIDES.

The current US navy could take the entire combined navies of the world in a fight with ease.  Not the combined navies of our potential enemies but the entire damned world.  The disparity is even more ridiculous if you look at allied and neutral/zero possibility of being an enemy fleets.
 
2014-03-24 01:13:01 PM
dammit, I miss TMLO.
 
2014-03-24 01:18:03 PM

Smeggy Smurf: kbronsito: If mitt Romney had watched The Final Countdown, he could have saved himself some pain at the debate for saying that stupid thing about how our navy has less ships than we had in WWI.

If one of our carriers from the 80s was powerful enough that it could have turned the tide of WWII, then I'm pretty sure one of our current carriers could have done even more damage in WWI.

Have you read the Axis of Time books by John Birmingham?


No I hadn't. But look about what Final Countdown was aiming at before it doesn't happen. And wasn't there another crappy 80s movies about something similar but with a single modern bomber travelling back and the Germans use it to nuke the USA. I think it was Philadelphia Experiment 2
 
2014-03-24 01:20:27 PM
Argofarkyourself
 
2014-03-24 01:20:39 PM
They're only building one? I guess they'll just photoshop the rest of the fleet
 
2014-03-24 01:22:01 PM

kbronsito: In the Final Countdown movie context, those counter strike planes wouldn't have been able to keep up with the modern planes and even if they could, given the extra range... they may not have been able to make it all the way to the Nimitz to counter strike. They Japanese fleet could be sunk without them ever knowing where the planes came from.


Oddly enough, both the A6M Zero and F-14 Tomcat had roughly the same range, with the Zero perhaps having a slight advantage.

But of course, the F-14 could be refueled in the air.  Zero couldn't.
 
2014-03-24 01:22:19 PM
 
2014-03-24 01:29:20 PM

dittybopper: One Bad Apple: kbronsito:

If one of our carriers from the 80s was powerful enough that it could have turned the tide of WWII,

Did the Japanese win WW2 ?

I hope you learned history in a private school because you at least have a good case for getting a refund.

It's even worse.  The Japanese basically started losing right after Pearl Harbor.

The first major engagement after Pearl Harbor, the Battle of the Coral Sea, was a tactical loss but strategic win for the Allies, and it was followed up by the crushing blow to the Japanese at Midway, just 6 months after the attack on Pearl.

The Japanese were never going to realistically be able to win in a war against the US, and even some of the Japanese knew that (including Isoroku Yamamoto).


Some would argue that the Japanese never had a chance even before that. Roosevelt cut off the oil supply to Japan in early 1941(ish) in protest over Nanking (which was increasingly unpopular with the Japanese public). The extreme nationalist/right wing party that ruled Japan had built up such a large army and navy that their momentum was too heavy to stop from escalating foreign conflicts. To attempt to gain new resources and control in the South China Sea, was in Japans' mind, the only option. The government had them on a war/expansionist footing for much of the 1930's, it would have been close to impossible to rachet down the rhetoric.
 
2014-03-24 01:30:46 PM

Satanic_Hamster: The current US navy could take the entire combined navies of the world in a fight with ease


G-14
 
2014-03-24 01:41:04 PM

two towns over: dittybopper: One Bad Apple: kbronsito:

If one of our carriers from the 80s was powerful enough that it could have turned the tide of WWII,

Did the Japanese win WW2 ?

I hope you learned history in a private school because you at least have a good case for getting a refund.

It's even worse.  The Japanese basically started losing right after Pearl Harbor.

The first major engagement after Pearl Harbor, the Battle of the Coral Sea, was a tactical loss but strategic win for the Allies, and it was followed up by the crushing blow to the Japanese at Midway, just 6 months after the attack on Pearl.

The Japanese were never going to realistically be able to win in a war against the US, and even some of the Japanese knew that (including Isoroku Yamamoto).

Some would argue that the Japanese never had a chance even before that. Roosevelt cut off the oil supply to Japan in early 1941(ish) in protest over Nanking (which was increasingly unpopular with the Japanese public). The extreme nationalist/right wing party that ruled Japan had built up such a large army and navy that their momentum was too heavy to stop from escalating foreign conflicts. To attempt to gain new resources and control in the South China Sea, was in Japans' mind, the only option. The government had them on a war/expansionist footing for much of the 1930's, it would have been close to impossible to rachet down the rhetoric.


Oh, yeah, it was a war they couldn't win.  Even if farked up the SIGINT war, they still didn't have the industrial capacity to match us.
 
2014-03-24 01:46:41 PM
Argo 2?
 
2014-03-24 02:24:27 PM
I'd always kind of wanted to see that movie. Sounded like good wish-fulfillment action-porn. Sorry to hear it is such a clunker.

I've always also wondered what a Navy Seals team with all their gear and tons of modern supplies/weaponry could do against an entire battlefield of civil-war-era or revolutionary war-era soldiers.
 
2014-03-24 02:30:00 PM
Not a bad movie for a cheap thrill.  I was on board Nimitz when it was filmed and actually had a speaking line.
Kathryn Ross was some kind of cute back then.

//I know, get off my lawn.
 
2014-03-24 02:34:29 PM

rtaylor92: I'd always kind of wanted to see that movie. Sounded like good wish-fulfillment action-porn. Sorry to hear it is such a clunker.


It's not actually a clunker.   It's not necessarily Oscar material, but for what it is, it's actually pretty decent.  I've seen worse.
 
2014-03-24 02:37:16 PM

dittybopper: rtaylor92: I'd always kind of wanted to see that movie. Sounded like good wish-fulfillment action-porn. Sorry to hear it is such a clunker.

It's not actually a clunker.   It's not necessarily Oscar material, but for what it is, it's actually pretty decent.  I've seen worse.


I think it's on Netflix. (at least it was there for a while before). And I concur with others that said it wasn't great but it is ok entertainment.
 
2014-03-24 02:43:48 PM

kbronsito: dittybopper: rtaylor92: I'd always kind of wanted to see that movie. Sounded like good wish-fulfillment action-porn. Sorry to hear it is such a clunker.

It's not actually a clunker.   It's not necessarily Oscar material, but for what it is, it's actually pretty decent.  I've seen worse.

I think it's on Netflix. (at least it was there for a while before). And I concur with others that said it wasn't great but it is ok entertainment.


I just re-watched it a few months ago on Netflix.  Kind of neat seeing Ron "Colonel Bella" O'Neal of Red Dawn fame playing a US naval officer.
 
2014-03-24 02:47:53 PM

dittybopper: Kind of neat seeing Ron "Colonel Bella" O'Neal of Red Dawn fame playing a US naval officer.


I think you mean Ron "Super Fly" O'Neal.
 
2014-03-24 02:54:09 PM
Iranic.
 
2014-03-24 02:59:36 PM

kbronsito: Smeggy Smurf: kbronsito: If mitt Romney had watched The Final Countdown, he could have saved himself some pain at the debate for saying that stupid thing about how our navy has less ships than we had in WWI.

If one of our carriers from the 80s was powerful enough that it could have turned the tide of WWII, then I'm pretty sure one of our current carriers could have done even more damage in WWI.

Have you read the Axis of Time books by John Birmingham?

No I hadn't. But look about what Final Countdown was aiming at before it doesn't happen. And wasn't there another crappy 80s movies about something similar but with a single modern bomber travelling back and the Germans use it to nuke the USA. I think it was Philadelphia Experiment 2


I also recall a SF story where a modern (1970s?) fighter jet in Germany gets transported all the way back to WWI.

On the plus side, the plane could patrol the entire Western Front in a couple of hours (once the pilot had figured out how to make suitable fuel from kerosene). On the negative side, he couldn't fly slowly enough to shoot anybody down, and his proximity-fused missiles were useless because enemy planes didn't have enough metal to set them off. Eventually he developed a tactic of bringing down enemy planes by flying close enough and fast enough that his shock wave would destroy them.

I don't remember anything else about the story, but I'll somebody here does...
 
2014-03-24 03:21:05 PM
 
2014-03-24 03:21:55 PM

czetie: I also recall a SF story where a modern (1970s?) fighter jet in Germany gets transported all the way back to WWI.

On the plus side, the plane could patrol the entire Western Front in a couple of hours (once the pilot had figured out how to make suitable fuel from kerosene). On the negative side, he couldn't fly slowly enough to shoot anybody down, and his proximity-fused missiles were useless because enemy planes didn't have enough metal to set them off. Eventually he developed a tactic of bringing down enemy planes by flying close enough and fast enough that his shock wave would destroy them.

I don't remember anything else about the story, but I'll somebody here does...


Not familiar with it, but there is a major Achilles heel for a scenario like that:  No spare parts or possibility of repair, and his aircraft would be a sitting duck on the ground.
 
2014-03-24 03:24:52 PM

One Bad Apple: kbronsito:

If one of our carriers from the 80s was powerful enough that it could have turned the tide of WWII,

Did the Japanese win WW2 ?

I hope you learned history in a private school because you at least have a good case for getting a refund.


Well, we certainly didn't give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor, I can tell you that much!
 
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