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(Mother Jones)   How the NCAA bracket would end up if the team with the most athletic department revenue won instead of the one with talent. Why? Because sports needs to be political, that's why   (motherjones.com) divider line 47
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2014-03-24 08:09:19 AM
Meh, without even looking, if that were the case, Texas would win everything, every years.  Thank god Texas sucks.
 
2014-03-24 08:30:15 AM
Revenue is not the issue.  It's how well you pay your players that counts.
 
2014-03-24 09:55:08 AM

Marcus Aurelius: Revenue is not the issue.  It's how well you your boosters pay your players that counts.

 
2014-03-24 09:59:46 AM
Why is having a high revenue a bad thing? Perhaps a better metric would be which school is wasting the most money on sports, aka the one with the lowest profit in their sports department
 
2014-03-24 10:49:09 AM
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2014-03-24 11:11:25 AM
Yes, NCAA men's basketball is a minor league pro sport and no, we don't care. Happy now?
 
2014-03-24 11:32:58 AM
Go Vols, I'll be posting this every chance I get until Friday.

/Tennessee men's basketball in Sweet 16?
//am I in an alternate universe?
 
2014-03-24 12:02:19 PM
Let me guess, Texas wins.

*looks at article* Well, that was easy.
 
2014-03-24 12:12:23 PM

ModernPrimitive01: Go Vols, I'll be posting this every chance I get until Friday.

/Tennessee men's basketball in Sweet 16?
//am I in an alternate universe?


They needed someone from the "first" round to advance, because the first round is a bad joke so far.
 
2014-03-24 12:22:30 PM
TFA is kind of meaningless and irrelevant. Looking at how much each team SPENDS on its basketball program is a bit closer to something we could say is meaningful.

Which we did here.
 
2014-03-24 12:23:27 PM

ModernPrimitive01: Go Vols, I'll be posting this every chance I get until Friday.

/Tennessee men's basketball in Sweet 16?
//am I in an alternate universe?


Thanks for the Tennessee Turnaround, btw. We'd never have made it this far without the out-of-place thrashing y'all gave us, and you wouldn't have even made the tourney without that win.
 
2014-03-24 12:25:32 PM
Actually sports doesn't have to be political at all. Unless you're a pathetic fool who insists on making everything political.
 
2014-03-24 12:28:06 PM
Yes, somehow there is a correlation between how much revenue a program produces and the quality of talent it attracts.  Who knew?

/Mother Jones, you were cooler when you were organizing child laborers.
 
2014-03-24 12:34:44 PM

AliceBToklasLives: Yes, somehow there is a correlation between how much revenue a program produces and the quality of talent it attracts.  Who knew?

/Mother Jones, you were cooler when you were organizing child laborers.


Or it's a correlation between the on-court success of a program and the money it then attracts.  Chicken-Egg.
 
2014-03-24 12:35:32 PM

INeedAName: Marcus Aurelius: Revenue is not the issue.  It's how well you your boosters pay your players that counts.


So... Oregon over Oklahoma State in the final?
 
2014-03-24 12:35:39 PM
This is a heck of a lot better than my bracket...
 
2014-03-24 12:39:43 PM

Skleenar: AliceBToklasLives: Yes, somehow there is a correlation between how much revenue a program produces and the quality of talent it attracts.  Who knew?

/Mother Jones, you were cooler when you were organizing child laborers.

Or it's a correlation between the on-court success of a program and the money it then attracts.  Chicken-Egg.


www.aux.tv

"Follow the money" - Every undergrad should be required to watch The Wire to learn this basic truth.
 
2014-03-24 01:04:49 PM

uncoveror: Yes, NCAA men's basketball is a minor league pro sport and no, we don't care. Happy now?


You can feel free to be perfectly okay with your moral bankruptcy, but your participation in anything having to do with the NCAA is buying into the basic belief that players are essentially commodities of the NCAA system for life.  But, hey, enjoy your bracket!
 
2014-03-24 01:13:58 PM
DNRTFA because DNCareATFSubject, but for the record,  submitter, "wahhhhh, stop politicizing ______" always means "wahhhhh, _______ is already politicized exactly the way it works best for me."

Doesn't matter who is saying it or what you're talking about--sports, labor, science, religion, education, breakfast cereal. Sports has been political since before the olympics got started. The original olympics, I mean.
 
2014-03-24 01:17:40 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: uncoveror: Yes, NCAA men's basketball is a minor league pro sport and no, we don't care. Happy now?

You can feel free to be perfectly okay with your moral bankruptcy, but your participation in anything having to do with the NCAA is buying into the basic belief that players are essentially commodities of the NCAA system for life.  But, hey, enjoy your bracket!


I'm sure you have consumed many things made by slave labor throughout your life without even researching it or knowing it. Really, unless you're a one-armed eight year old Sierra Leonean girl, you probably don't have a lot of room to biatch. If you are, congratulations on your Internet access.
 
2014-03-24 01:18:57 PM

KiwDaWabbit: whizbangthedirtfarmer: uncoveror: Yes, NCAA men's basketball is a minor league pro sport and no, we don't care. Happy now?

You can feel free to be perfectly okay with your moral bankruptcy, but your participation in anything having to do with the NCAA is buying into the basic belief that players are essentially commodities of the NCAA system for life.  But, hey, enjoy your bracket!

I'm sure you have consumed many things made by slave labor throughout your life without even researching it or knowing it. Really, unless you're a one-armed eight year old Sierra Leonean girl, you probably don't have a lot of room to biatch. If you are, congratulations on your Internet access.


Thank goodness for equivalency.  I have a shirt from Mexico, therefore I need not be concerned about anything else, or, really, ANY exploitative system.  Hooray!
 
2014-03-24 01:21:30 PM
Two points:
1.) Wichita State is under-rated, since they don't have football

2.) It confirms a plan that I developed to win Warren Buffett's billion dollar NCAA bracket. First fill out a bracket. Then contact every head of athletic department and offer 13 million for throwing the game I predict they are to lose. The team that wins the tournament will get a paltry 9 million total (1.5 million for the conference per appearance) for their effort, so would be ahead 4 million if they take my offer. I would have to settle for a paltry 100 million, but I could do that for humanitrian reasons.
 
2014-03-24 01:22:08 PM
great. a basketball article written by some chode wearing a soccer shirt standing in front of something that might be a swastika.

www.motherjones.com

/got nothing
//surprised Louisville ousted UK based on that
 
2014-03-24 01:23:53 PM

Skleenar: AliceBToklasLives: Yes, somehow there is a correlation between how much revenue a program produces and the quality of talent it attracts.  Who knew?

/Mother Jones, you were cooler when you were organizing child laborers.

Or it's a correlation between the on-court success of a program and the money it then attracts.  Chicken-Egg.


Even though a lot of money comes from boosters, the best way to have a rich program is (a) have an endowment that includes a lot of scrubby, mostly useless land and (b) find oil* under a lot of it.

That way, when you need a new chemistry building, you can build it yourself and let the Texas Ex's send their money to the athletic department.

/*orange gold
//*longhorn tea
///ftw
 
2014-03-24 01:24:34 PM
whizbangthedirtfarmer:

Thank goodness for equivalency.  I have a shirt from Mexico, therefore I need not be concerned about anything else, or, really, ANY exploitative system.  Hooray!

You said that, not me.

But, as a matter of fact, you do have your priorities mixed up of you're more worried about scholarship athletes getting a college education (the vast majority; the most notable obviously don't finish) than the kid in a Narco-state who most assuredly made your shirt.
 
2014-03-24 01:27:54 PM

The Flexecutioner: great. a basketball article written by some chode wearing a soccer shirt standing in front of something that might be a swastika.

[www.motherjones.com image 60x70]

/got nothing
//surprised Louisville ousted UK based on that


As it contains the dorsal artery of the penis, I bet he takes "chode" as a compliment.
 
2014-03-24 01:35:11 PM

KiwDaWabbit: But, as a matter of fact, you do have your priorities mixed up of you're more worried about scholarship athletes getting a college education (the vast majority; the most notable obviously don't finish) than the kid in a Narco-state who most assuredly made your shirt.


According to your logic, we are all hypocrites on something, so therefore we need to be concerned about nothing.  As for your "oh, they're getting a scholarship," well, that's only true in some instances.  For many of the kids out there, their scholarships are renewed at the coach's pleasure.  A coach may decide that a kid who is injured shouldn't be "taking up" scholarship space, and, suddenly, the kid no longer had the supposedly "free" tuition.  Or, maybe the kid is healthy, and a new coach comes in with his own recruits.  Guess what?  Some of those "free" tuitions are now gone, and the kid did nothing to lose the tuition other than not know the right people.

Build into that the idea that the "free" tuition is offset by the huge amount of money that colleges and the NCAA make off of the student (the NCAA, particularly, in perpetuity), and it's not really all that "free," after all.  Take a kid at Mercer, for example.  He pays 48,000 a year in tuition.  So, the school forgives that, mostly because they know they can make millions of dollars in just one round of tournament play.  And, of course, this assumes that the kid actually earns a degree, a process, which, in some programs is often a 50/50 chance.

So, yeah, it's exploitative, and then some.  Saying you don't care doesn't make it any less exploitative.
 
2014-03-24 01:38:08 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: KiwDaWabbit: But, as a matter of fact, you do have your priorities mixed up of you're more worried about scholarship athletes getting a college education (the vast majority; the most notable obviously don't finish) than the kid in a Narco-state who most assuredly made your shirt.

According to your logic, we are all hypocrites on something, so therefore we need to be concerned about nothing.


Nope. Did you even go to college?
 
2014-03-24 01:38:14 PM

bubbaprog: TFA is kind of meaningless and irrelevant. Looking at how much each team SPENDS on its basketball program is a bit closer to something we could say is meaningful.

Which we did here.


LOL, that chart makes that Duke loss even sweeter.
 
2014-03-24 02:26:31 PM

KiwDaWabbit: whizbangthedirtfarmer: KiwDaWabbit: But, as a matter of fact, you do have your priorities mixed up of you're more worried about scholarship athletes getting a college education (the vast majority; the most notable obviously don't finish) than the kid in a Narco-state who most assuredly made your shirt.

According to your logic, we are all hypocrites on something, so therefore we need to be concerned about nothing.

Nope. Did you even go to college?


Keep deflecting.  But, by all means, keep watching your tournament.  I find it interesting that you snipped everything else.  I did go to college, but it seems you've come from the TL;DR generation, where personal pleasure trumps any other issue that may arise because, man, it's just too hard to think about that stuff.
 
2014-03-24 02:30:45 PM
Hello pot, meet kettle.

I also have proof of my ability to pass classes like a good drone should if you need such a thing. Most of what you say is just regurgitation, so let me know when you have an original thought.
 
2014-03-24 02:36:38 PM
Is subby saying that college sports aren't political now? Anything that makes money is political. Look at the circus that is Penn State. Stopping child rape took a back seat to THE PROGRAM.
 
2014-03-24 02:51:54 PM
College athletes should not be paid, because they are already getting something out of being college athletes.

If it wasn't worth it to them, they wouldn't be college athletes.

Se also: McDonalds employees.
 
2014-03-24 03:02:47 PM

bangmaid: College athletes should not be paid, because they are already getting something out of being college athletes.

If it wasn't worth it to them, they wouldn't be college athletes.

Se also: McDonalds employees.


Not sure if you're trolling or if you honestly think that being offered a college scholarship that is not guaranteed and does not cover a lot of ancillary costs of a college education, not to mention the massive amount of restrictions placed on the athletes themselves is an honest tradeoff for generating billions of dollars in revenues (and scholarships for other athletes who generate negative returns) is worth it but for the kids in big time college sports who are one tackle away from losing their scholarship I'd say they deserve something.
For a lot of these kids they aren't in a position to bargain...if you're too poor to afford your way through college you'll take any help you get and the system is built on exploiting cheap labor for the profit margin of the already rich...hate to sound like a communist but that's what's happening here.
By your rationale if your employer offers you benefits you should not be paid because you're already getting something from your job.
 
2014-03-24 03:14:08 PM
orangehat:

For a lot of these kids they aren't in a position to bargain...if you're too poor to afford your way through college you'll take any help you get and the system is built on exploiting cheap labor for the profit margin of the already rich...hate to sound like a communist but that's what's happening here.

That's how so called oxymoron of oligarchical-style capitalism generally works, and I'm not defending the model. Generally, "sticking up for the little guy" is not a sustainable long-term solution. The "little guy" (or girl) ultimately has to force the issue. People thought it was a joke, and maybe it won't bear fruit, but the Northwestern kids had the right idea.
 
2014-03-24 03:17:13 PM
Addendum: Yes, I realize the irony that the Northwestern kids are the opposite of your example. But, look at historical examples of those who get people riled up, like, say. The U.S.A. Really, the issue of the revolution was exacerbated by rich white men who didn't want to pay taxes.
 
2014-03-24 03:23:59 PM

KiwDaWabbit: Addendum: Yes, I realize the irony that the Northwestern kids are the opposite of your example. But, look at historical examples of those who get people riled up, like, say. The U.S.A. Really, the issue of the revolution was exacerbated by rich white men who didn't want to pay taxes.


I was thinking that the Northwestern kids are probably the kind of kids who would have been able to attend college somewhere regardless of their athletic abilities; even if they didn't get a football scholarship I imagine they were good enough students and well rounded enough that they would have been able to get in somewhere and found a way to pay for it.
Obviously the kids getting scholarships are getting something out of the deal but I get mad when people think that because someone's getting a free or reduced cost education that they should be grateful for the opportunity to be exploited at all costs and tossed aside at the whim of a coach or if they are unlucky enough to not be able to play sports.  It's a complex issue but something has to give because these kids are getting royally screwed...they're generating billions of dollars for everyone but themselves and the restrictions in place on what they can and can't do are outrageous.
 
2014-03-24 03:33:59 PM
Congrats, Duke, you made it to the Round of 32 this time!
 
2014-03-24 03:38:03 PM
They got 8 out of the 16 teams right. It's a lot better than my bracket. Why the hell couldn't I have seen this last week?
 
2014-03-24 03:46:18 PM

ModernPrimitive01: Go Vols, I'll be posting this every chance I get until Friday.

/Tennessee men's basketball in Sweet 16?
//am I in an alternate universe?


I'll gladly stay in that alternate universe with you until they are out of the tournament.

/Go Vols!
 
2014-03-24 04:15:21 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Revenue is not the issue.  It's how well you pay your players that counts.


Exactly, I mean where do you think Shaq got all his money?
 
2014-03-24 04:36:10 PM

Lost Thought 00: Why is having a high revenue a bad thing? Perhaps a better metric would be which school is wasting the most money on sports, aka the one with the lowest profit in their sports department


No, don't do it.

As an NC State fan I fear a list like that would make some of my more unstable fellow fans suicidal...

/Not that any Wolfpack fan is particularly stable. It takes a special kind of masochism to be one of us
 
2014-03-24 05:05:37 PM
Next week, the Mother Jones sports section complains about how millions of trees are killed just to give Josh Hamilton a new Louisville Slugger to break over his knee when he strikes out.
 
2014-03-24 08:40:57 PM
We know money isn't the  only criterion.  I mean, apparently Russia didn't make the Elite Eight this year.

\bitter that I found out too late to submit that joke in a headline
 
2014-03-24 09:35:32 PM
I thought for sure it was Oregon, but I guess Phil Knight's money for Oregon doesn't count.  Over $300 million over the years (and I actually thought it was more):

http://www.forbes.com/sites/prishe/2013/08/03/thank-you-phil-knight- or egons-new-68-million-recruiting-tool/
 
2014-03-24 11:10:46 PM

Marcus Aurelius:  They needed someone from the "first" round to advance, because the first round is a bad joke so far.

I did kind of wonder why an 11 seed was put into a damn play-in game. Also should really still be called 'play-in games' because going from round 1 with 8 teams to round 2 with 64 teams seems kind of counter-intuitive to a tournament.

bborchar: ModernPrimitive01: Go Vols, I'll be posting this every chance I get until Friday.

/Tennessee men's basketball in Sweet 16?
//am I in an alternate universe?

I'll gladly stay in that alternate universe with you until they are out of the tournament.

/Go Vols!


And 3 makes a party. I'll bring the beers.

jaylectricity:  Exactly, I mean where do you think Shaq got all his money?
Knows what you're saying:
img.fark.net

/great thread
//hello alternate universe
///GO VOLS!
 
2014-03-25 12:51:09 AM

The Flexecutioner: great. a basketball article written by some chode wearing a soccer shirt standing in front of something that might be a swastika.

[www.motherjones.com image 60x70]

/got nothing
//surprised Louisville ousted UK based on that


Only because Louisville uses some creative accounting to get to their revenue numbers.  If everyone used their method, you would see schools like Arkansas, Oregon, and Oklahoma State at the top of the list due to huge donations for capital improvements.  That's without even going into the theft they have perpetrated on the Commonwealth of Kentucky due to their criminally one-sided Yum Center deal.
 
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