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(New York Daily News)   That superprogressive new bike-sharing program NYC started last year? Yeah, the bikes are falling apart and repairs are being blown off. In other news, New Yorkers are why New York can't have nice things   (nydailynews.com ) divider line
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2014-03-24 08:29:53 AM  
Tragedy of the what?
 
2014-03-24 08:31:52 AM  
None of us can be as irresponsible as all of us.
 
2014-03-24 08:57:31 AM  
It works fine in Boston, they're even expanding into Cambridge and...

wait, they left the bikes out during the winter?  WTF?
 
2014-03-24 09:30:07 AM  

enry: wait, they left the bikes out during the winter?  WTF?


They figured vagrants peeing on the bikes would help melt the ice away.
 
2014-03-24 09:33:51 AM  

Gulper Eel: enry: wait, they left the bikes out during the winter?  WTF?

They figured vagrants peeing on the bikes would help melt the ice away.


All the booze in their systems would make it antifreeze.
 
2014-03-24 09:45:21 AM  

enry: It works fine in Boston, they're even expanding into Cambridge and...

wait, they left the bikes out during the winter?  WTF?


It's worked great in Charlotte. The partnership with NCBCBS and Carolinas Medical Center seem to be a perfect fit. They keep them out all year and the bikes seem to be holding up just fine.
 
2014-03-24 09:49:58 AM  

dittybopper: Tragedy of the what?


It takes a village to trash some bikes.

Just as an aside here, the BIXI bike share program is doing well here in Toronto. It's not making money, mind you, but the bikes are very popular (even in this stinking winter) and they seem in uniformly good condition after nearly three years of the program.
 
2014-03-24 09:50:25 AM  

sammyk: enry: It works fine in Boston, they're even expanding into Cambridge and...

wait, they left the bikes out during the winter?  WTF?

It's worked great in Charlotte. The partnership with NCBCBS and Carolinas Medical Center seem to be a perfect fit. They keep them out all year and the bikes seem to be holding up just fine.


Maybe NYC vagrant piss is more corrosive than Charlotte vagrant piss.
 
2014-03-24 09:52:11 AM  

enry: It works fine in Boston, they're even expanding into Cambridge and...
wait, they left the bikes out during the winter?  WTF?



Oddly, Hubway is run by the same company as the one in the article.
(or is there more than one provider?)
 
2014-03-24 09:52:26 AM  

sammyk: enry: It works fine in Boston, they're even expanding into Cambridge and...

wait, they left the bikes out during the winter?  WTF?

It's worked great in Charlotte. The partnership with NCBCBS and Carolinas Medical Center seem to be a perfect fit. They keep them out all year and the bikes seem to be holding up just fine.


The Charlotte program works because it's a smaller city, more centralized, and other then the one or two times it snows a year (lasting all of 2 days), the weather is pretty nice.
 
2014-03-24 09:55:46 AM  
Bike sharing programs can work. Tel Aviv launched one about two years ago and it's been a great success.
 
2014-03-24 09:57:22 AM  
Strange how in a previous thread a Fark progressive said high taxes are why New York has nice things yet financial issues are, as always, listed as one of the problems.
 
2014-03-24 09:58:00 AM  
They didn't all get stolen?  If I remember correctly all of the bikes were stolen in about 48 hours in Charleston, SC.

I think I submitted a fark article at the time (2008?)
 
2014-03-24 09:59:25 AM  

Valiente: dittybopper: Tragedy of the what?

It takes a village to trash some bikes.

Just as an aside here, the BIXI bike share program is doing well here in Toronto. It's not making money, mind you, but the bikes are very popular (even in this stinking winter) and they seem in uniformly good condition after nearly three years of the program.


Bixi (which started in Montreal) is also doing well as far as usage but the company that created them is bankrupt. The city bought all rights to make sure they can keep the system running.

If the NYC Bixi imports are falling apart then it's the management's fault.

But seriously, keeping the bikes out in the snow, ice and salt? Stupid.
 
2014-03-24 10:01:55 AM  
Well part of the problem is that they are all girl's bikes leaving nothing for men to ride.

The other problem is who is going to right a bike in that kind of weather.


assets.nydailynews.com
 
2014-03-24 10:04:35 AM  

hasty ambush: Well part of the problem is that they are all girl's bikes leaving nothing for men to ride.

The other problem is who is going to right a bike in that kind of weather.


[assets.nydailynews.com image 850x575]


The bikes were (supposedly) built with being out in the winter in mind. Also keep in mind that this was an exceptionally harsh winter in NYC. Most years you only get 2 or 3 snowfalls of more than an inch or two in the city.
 
2014-03-24 10:06:15 AM  

hasty ambush: Strange how in a previous thread a Fark progressive said high taxes are why New York has nice things yet financial issues are, as always, listed as one of the problems.


How are the two contradictory? A guy in a mansion can have just as many problems paying his property tax as a guy in a shotgun shack.  Are you claiming that places that have low taxes don't have problems paying for public services?
 
2014-03-24 10:07:37 AM  
only in America can you call a program where  a for profit company skims taxpayer and provides shiat service with what is level a "super-progressive" program.
 
2014-03-24 10:07:57 AM  
This screams of "Screw you we got the contract it will take years for you to take it from us, in the meantime we are going to spend as little as possible."
 
2014-03-24 10:10:09 AM  

sammyk: enry: It works fine in Boston, they're even expanding into Cambridge and...

wait, they left the bikes out during the winter?  WTF?

It's worked great in Charlotte. The partnership with NCBCBS and Carolinas Medical Center seem to be a perfect fit. They keep them out all year and the bikes seem to be holding up just fine.


I've been on bikes that need maintenance sometimes, but then.. they seem to do an occasional tune-up.  I think from the article more maintenance is what citi-bike needs.
 
2014-03-24 10:10:54 AM  
A good look at the story:  http://tinyurl.com/q8l8da6
 
2014-03-24 10:12:01 AM  
You can't blame them for trying. It worked in theory and there is no precedent for this kind of failure.
 
2014-03-24 10:12:57 AM  
Having spent about 6 months in NYC last year, I like the program, but the bikes and docking stations weren't very well cared for, as well as the fact that it seems that everyone would take bikes from certain areas and move them to other areas.  I always saw flatbeds delivering bikes to the bike dock by Metrotech because people would just take them and no one would ever ride a bike back.  Seems inefficient
 
2014-03-24 10:13:20 AM  
Despite the fact that Divvy has introduced to Chicago a new breed of biker with even less regard for road safety than the Logan Square (formerly Wicker Park) hipsters, the bikes themselves are holding up ok.
 
2014-03-24 10:15:48 AM  

hasty ambush: Strange how in a previous thread a Fark progressive said high taxes are why New York has nice things yet financial issues are, as always, listed as one of the problems.


Strange how the Citibike program isn't funded by taxes.
 
2014-03-24 10:18:33 AM  

Longtime Lurker: Despite the fact that Divvy has introduced to Chicago a new breed of biker with even less regard for road safety than the Pilsen/Bridgeport (formerly Logan Square and formerly Wicker Park) hipsters, the bikes themselves are holding up ok.



I think I heard a little while back that Logan Square was too settled and the hipster homesteaders were moving on to new neighborhoods.
 
2014-03-24 10:23:04 AM  
Riding a bike in NYC is a constant stream of near-death experiences.  Those willing to take it on probably have their own bikes already.  I did use the rent-a-bike system in London from time to time, usually to visit areas not convenient to the tube... but that was after living there for a year, when I really understood which option was best for getting to XYZ.   But in Manhattan, tourists can easily walk/cab/subway to all the things they want to see, and only the truely adventurous are going to rent a bike in the city, then head to the other boroughs.  Bottom line - it's a nice option for some but has a lot of unique challenges for it to become ubiquitous.
 
2014-03-24 10:24:14 AM  

hasty ambush: Well part of the problem is that they are all girl's bikes leaving nothing for men to ride.

[assets.nydailynews.com image 850x575]


I don't get why men have to have bikes with that f*cking high bar at the top anyway. Why would you want that? Do you enjoy having your nuts smashed as you try to get on and off the bike?

Also modern bikes largely don't have a frame strength problem due to materials. Just sayin.
 
2014-03-24 10:28:03 AM  

bdub77: hasty ambush: Well part of the problem is that they are all girl's bikes leaving nothing for men to ride.

[assets.nydailynews.com image 850x575]

I don't get why men have to have bikes with that f*cking high bar at the top anyway. Why would you want that? Do you enjoy having your nuts smashed as you try to get on and off the bike?

Also modern bikes largely don't have a frame strength problem due to materials. Just sayin.


I don't get why women need a low bar since it's now socially acceptable for women to wear clothing with divided legs.

/I agree with you though the low bar on all bikes will fit men and women and any wardrobe choice. For a rental bike the low bar makes perfect sense.
 
2014-03-24 10:30:09 AM  
The NYC system is more heavily used then every other U.S. program put together.
 
2014-03-24 10:30:53 AM  
The program receives no on-going city funding. It is funded entirely by sponsors and a membership fee. DeBlasio refuses to fund it. Even Wikipedia lists it as a "privately owned" system. So, dumbmitter and the teabaggers who are always so very eager to be walking examples of the Dunning-Kruger effect... remind me how, exactly, New York's entirely private system (unlike all the other ones which receive public support) is "superprogressive."
 
2014-03-24 10:31:05 AM  

bdub77: hasty ambush: Well part of the problem is that they are all girl's bikes leaving nothing for men to ride.

[assets.nydailynews.com image 850x575]

I don't get why men have to have bikes with that f*cking high bar at the top anyway. Why would you want that? Do you enjoy having your nuts smashed as you try to get on and off the bike?

Also modern bikes largely don't have a frame strength problem due to materials. Just sayin.


It is a stronger design which allows for less material.  Even with modern high-strength material the upper bar allows for a lighter bike that rides better with less flex.  As an added bonus it makes routing of the rear brake cable easier, however some companies are starting to put the rear brake behind the crank instead.

A properly sized bike is you should be able to stand over without nut-smashing.
 
2014-03-24 10:33:22 AM  
And here in the DC area it's taken off like gangbusters.
 
2014-03-24 10:39:43 AM  

hasty ambush: Well part of the problem is that they are all girl's bikes leaving nothing for men to ride.

The other problem is who is going to right a bike in that kind of weather.


I did all winter. My only problem with the bikes is that the first gear is useless.

Their email to users stated how we've been tough on the bikes, but it wasn't scolding or anything.
 
2014-03-24 10:42:45 AM  

Arkanaut: Strange how the Citibike program isn't funded by taxes.


It is a private-public partnership, so yes it  is taxpayer-funded to some extent. If you're a City Housing Authority resident the city covers part of the rental fee. And now city council members are "leaving the door open to public funding as a last resort", which means they'll be pushing a measure to use public funding by April.

I give it another 18 months and if they're still having trouble when next winter won't (probably) be as horrible, time to the pull the plug.

Maybe the Citi prefix reminds people too much of the Mets.
 
2014-03-24 10:46:40 AM  

bdub77: hasty ambush: Well part of the problem is that they are all girl's bikes leaving nothing for men to ride.

[assets.nydailynews.com image 850x575]

I don't get why men have to have bikes with that f*cking high bar at the top anyway. Why would you want that? Do you enjoy having your nuts smashed as you try to get on and off the bike?

Also modern bikes largely don't have a frame strength problem due to materials. Just sayin.


The traditional "diamond" frame is still the optimum for efficiency and performance. You could also get on the bike similarly to how people get on a horse.

pad2.whstatic.com
 
2014-03-24 10:52:34 AM  

hasty ambush: Strange how in a previous thread a Fark progressive said high taxes are why New York has nice things yet financial issues are, as always, listed as one of the problems.


Are you under the assumption this is a publicly funded and run program?
 
2014-03-24 10:53:08 AM  

cgraves67: Maybe NYC vagrant piss is more corrosive than Charlotte vagrant piss.


Higher Sterno content.
 
2014-03-24 10:55:34 AM  
The stats I want to see are the number of deaths and injuries on those bikes or caused by people using them.

Seriously, if you don't own a bike, then you are by definition a novice cyclist in NYC.  They don't come equipped with helmets (you're supposed to bring your own but nobody does).  So you have a bunch of novice cyclists zooming around without helmets in one of the worst traffic zones in the country.  What could possibly go wrong?

I want to see how the DeBlasio administration reconciles the Citbike program with their heavy push for reducing traffic fatalities.
 
2014-03-24 10:56:17 AM  
Also, I don't understand hating on this thing price wise. One year unlimited use is cheaper than a month pass for the subway. They should raise it and I say that as a customer.

The public funding was probably necessary for the street work and design, which ultimately benefitted every public bike user.
 
2014-03-24 10:59:57 AM  
I always gathered that anyone from NY wouldn't be caught dead on one of those things and they were almost exclusively used by tourists, who were likely to die trying to ride a bike in NYC.

Last month, I was in NYC and they were such an eyesore. Truly ugly bikes. I know I wouldn't want to ride one.

People in NYC who bike own their bikes. That's why it's failing.
 
2014-03-24 11:00:27 AM  
This would totally work if it were just different people involved.
 
2014-03-24 11:03:09 AM  
Doomed to fail. Americans don't know how to treat shared resources.
 
2014-03-24 11:10:48 AM  
Sound like scummy contractor, not New Yorkers in this case.
 
2014-03-24 11:13:47 AM  
I hear nothing but good things about DC's bike program.
 
2014-03-24 11:17:41 AM  
Everyone I know that uses the service on a regular basis are pretty thrilled with it.  I know I would/will when it expands into my neighborhood.
 
2014-03-24 11:18:35 AM  

JK47: Longtime Lurker: Despite the fact that Divvy has introduced to Chicago a new breed of biker with even less regard for road safety than the Pilsen/Bridgeport (formerly Logan Square and formerly Wicker Park) hipsters, the bikes themselves are holding up ok.


I think I heard a little while back that Logan Square was too settled and the hipster homesteaders were moving on to new neighborhoods.


The fixie riders just keep moving up the blue line. Eventually they'll all be living ironically in the parking lot at O'Hare.
 
2014-03-24 11:25:11 AM  

Longtime Lurker: Despite the fact that Divvy has introduced to Chicago a new breed of biker with even less regard for road safety than the Logan Square (formerly Wicker Park) hipsters, the bikes themselves are holding up ok.


http://voices.suntimes.com/news/transportation-news/video-woman-ride s- divvy-bike-on-lake-shore-drive/
 
2014-03-24 11:25:45 AM  
They didn't follow their contract thus bilking the city for shiatloads of money?  I bet if you hang all the execs for fraud that the next batch of execs won't be thieves.
 
2014-03-24 11:34:38 AM  

hasty ambush: Strange how in a previous thread a Fark progressive said high taxes are why New York has nice things yet financial issues are, as always, listed as one of the problems.


I find it strange how apparently everything you read reaffirms your political views and that you need to tell us all each time.
 
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