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(Telegraph)   Putin: "Hey, Moldova. That's a nice breakaway region you have there, it would be a shame if someone annexed it by force"   (telegraph.co.uk ) divider line
    More: Interesting, Moldova, Transdniestria, Crimean, Moldovan, democracy  
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2014-03-24 09:49:32 AM  
3 votes:

croesius: "After the collapse of the USSR, Transdniester, a strip of land sandwiched between Moldova and Ukraine, declared its independence from Moldova. A brief civil war followed in 1992, eventually ending in an awkward stalemate.
In its 23-year existence, Transdniester has not been recognised by any other nation on the planet. Even Russia, which has stationed about 1,000 soldiers there since the end of the civil war, has failed to recognise it."

So the nation that broke away from Moldova 23 years ago, and wants to be part of Russia, might become part of Russia?

[img3.wikia.nocookie.net image 353x132]


Except they have to go through what's left of Ukraine to get there.  You know who else wanted to reunite land that had been separated from them 23 years earlier?  Actually, kinda eerie that the timelines match up.

i.imgur.com
2014-03-24 09:48:40 AM  
3 votes:

croesius: "After the collapse of the USSR, Transdniester, a strip of land sandwiched between Moldova and Ukraine, declared its independence from Moldova. A brief civil war followed in 1992, eventually ending in an awkward stalemate.
In its 23-year existence, Transdniester has not been recognised by any other nation on the planet. Even Russia, which has stationed about 1,000 soldiers there since the end of the civil war, has failed to recognise it."

So the nation that broke away from Moldova 23 years ago, and wants to be part of Russia, might become part of Russia?

[img3.wikia.nocookie.net image 353x132]


Ever since the collapse of the USSR, Russia has ignored the fact that millions of their citizens were in other neighboring countries, wanting to come home again.  They actively worked to keep those Russian citizens in other countries because it's just politically useful to have a good reason to invade your neighbors.  Like protecting your own citizens that you put there and kept there.
2014-03-24 10:15:18 AM  
2 votes:

TheGregiss: The Russians need lebensraum.


They have that in abundance... this isn't Germany where 20 people have to live in the area of a sardine can.

Each Russian has 20 national parks in his back yard. Huge country...
2014-03-24 10:06:47 AM  
2 votes:

TheGregiss: Some asshole said I was a Neocon for opposing Putin's military expansion.


Am I still a Neocon for thinking Putin is a bad guy with expansionist aims?


No, you're a realist.

Though, at this point, it's far more prudent and effective to wage economic warfare rather than physical warfare.
2014-03-24 10:05:43 AM  
2 votes:
Some asshole said I was a Neocon for opposing Putin's military expansion.


Am I still a Neocon for thinking Putin is a bad guy with expansionist aims?
2014-03-24 10:02:37 AM  
2 votes:

verbaltoxin: It's okay, we actually know how to find land wars in Europe.


www.zealoptics.com

Relieved to hear it.
2014-03-24 10:00:24 AM  
2 votes:
He really does have super villain fantasies, doesn't he.

/maniacal laugh
//maniacal laugh
2014-03-24 09:47:03 AM  
2 votes:
That's unpossible. I've been assured by Fark's lefty brigade that the Crunea abbé action was a clear and total victory for the rest of the world, because that albatross would completely shut down the Russian economy and drag them down for years to come, while the oligarchs put the brakes on any further external ambitions Putin (who is absolutely worshiped by all Republicans) may have harbored.
2014-03-24 09:34:14 AM  
2 votes:
"I pray for the return of the Soviet Union," she says. "Putin gives us hope. He is reuniting the Soviet Union."

I am sure the LGTB community of Transdniester just can't wait to be part of Russia the Soviet Union.  They must miss all those beatings.
2014-03-24 08:18:22 AM  
2 votes:
Moldova: "Hey Putin, no need to be rough. We want you to take us" *spreads legs*
2014-03-24 06:27:01 PM  
1 vote:

BigNumber12: redmid17: BigNumber12: spawn73: Kinda like Bratislava in Eurotrip.

Ugh, we've done two two-week trips based around Vienna, and came SO CLOSE to doing a day-trip to Bratislava, just for kicks. Would have been interesting at the very least.

My dad was in Dublin for business and took a quick roundtrip flight to Bratislava for 40-50 bucks on Ryanair after bumping back his normal return flight. He only spent a few hours there. He just wanted to say he did it. Crazy part is he had to pretty much leave Dublin right after he got back from Bratislava.

Hah, I'd say that the whole thing is "the crazy part."


Can't disagree there. My dad could also be classified as the crazy part.
2014-03-24 03:14:41 PM  
1 vote:

JSTACAT: AngryDragon:

Except they have to go through what's left of Ukraine to get there.  You know who else wanted to reunite land that had been separated from them 23 years earlier?  Actually, kinda eerie that the timelines match up.

[i.imgur.com image 850x549]

Interesting, if some map makers had been smart, and cutoff Poland's upraised finger of land & give to the Germans... a world war might have been averted.
Poland should have done the needful, and moved aside.... by voting.

Russia is getting the needful done, by -Voting-

With Voters like these, who needs an army?
"I'm ready to live in a tent, but I'm not ready to submit to the West, to dance to their tune," said Viktor Rudko, a 43-year-old miner.
Voters.


Um...yeah.  Those weren't poll workers infiltrating the Crimea leading up to that "fair and democratic referendum"

Once you have infantry, armor, naval, and air power in the bases of a country and enforcing a de facto occupation, you lose the ability to say that it was the choice of the people.  This was an invasion and annexation at a stunning speed.

What is Russian for blitzkreig anyway?
2014-03-24 02:55:05 PM  
1 vote:
redmid17: Sammichless: Comparing Finland in the dead of winter in the mid 1940s with an ill-equipped Russian military to the current situation in Ukraine is a folly. Russia doesn't have to send their entire military. If they send half they still dwarf Ukraine's forces and have total air superiority. Also I'm not buying Russia's army as less trained than Ukraine's army. They haven't seen any combat and their budget is a fraction of Russia's (even with the equipment and number disparity).

Actually, no. In spring, the Ukraine is one giant bog. Tanks and infantry moving across a bog will get stuck. Keep to the roads, they'll be picked off by air cover. And which side would come out on top with respect to air superiority is anyone's guess. Even operating from forward airbases, the Ukrainians will see the Russian's coming. The two sides are fighting with essentially the same equipment. And neither side has had a recent record of air combat to base a decision on.

If Russia thought they had a decided advantage, odds are they would have pressed it.
2014-03-24 02:43:32 PM  
1 vote:

Sammichless: That is what I've been saying in these threads.

Some people seem so concerned that Putin is the world's next Hitler..... They don't seem to realize that Russia is not even close to being a military threat to the West. His land grabs in nations that aren't allied with NATO may (or arguably may not) be helping strengthen Russia.

But, even if Russia is benefitting from their aggression..... the West STILL has nothing to fear from Russia. They command 9.5% of the World's military strength (a number that is pumped up by using conscripted soldiers in their military)..... NATO commands 70% of the World's military strength.


On paper, 1938 Germany couldn't take 1938 France, let alone Belgium, France, Austria, Poland, and the UK.

Unfortunately, wars aren't fought on paper.
2014-03-24 12:59:51 PM  
1 vote:

TheGregiss: Some asshole said I was a Neocon for opposing Putin's military expansion.

Am I still a Neocon for thinking Putin is a bad guy with expansionist aims?


Yes, but the liberals are getting desperate enough for someone (who isn't liberal and therefore actually willing to fight and die in their place) to deal with Bad Ass Vlad that they're not throwing that label around any more.

/eventually they'll get scared enough to actually listen to our advice
//probably won't be till after the first nuclear exchange
///at which point the only advice we'll be able to offer is, "Pull your head out of your anus just long enough to kiss your ass goodbye. Oh, and WE TOLD YOU SO."
2014-03-24 12:05:18 PM  
1 vote:
Perhaps all these places with Russian minorities should round up all the Russians and put them on one-way trains back to the homeland? Especially if keeping them around means Russia is going to annex you by force.
2014-03-24 10:49:22 AM  
1 vote:

ArkPanda: Infernalist: CleanAndPure: TheGregiss: The Russians need lebensraum.

They have that in abundance... this isn't Germany where 20 people have to live in the area of a sardine can.

Each Russian has 20 national parks in his back yard. Huge country...

Russia doesn't need breathing room, it needs a buffer zone.

Russians have some ingrained terror of being invaded.  Especially by Germany.  And to the Russian mind, the best way to keep themselves safe is to put as much room between themselves and their enemies.  That's why they had the Iron Curtain and the Soviet Bloc nations as a big buffer zone between them and NATO.

That's why they freak out when their neighbors want to get cozy and comfy with the West.  They see no buffer between them and enemy armies bearing down on Moscow.

And the EU and NATO (which according to them should have dissolved when the Soviet Union did) have been steadily expanding to the east for 20 years.

"They invade our space and we fall back. They assimilate entire worlds and we fall back. Not again. The line must be drawn here!"


The USSR requested to join NATO once, and received the 1950s version of "LOL" as a response.
2014-03-24 10:38:46 AM  
1 vote:
I assume the people defending Putin's annexation of Russian-majority borderlands are equally supportive of the aspirations of other ethnic areas to break away from Russia, right? And they condemn Putin's use of brutal force to prevent such breakaways, right? Right? Hello?

/What's the Russian equivalent of "Volksdeutsch"?
2014-03-24 10:38:10 AM  
1 vote:
Transnistria sounds like a perfect match for Putin, actually.
2014-03-24 10:36:04 AM  
1 vote:

croesius: So the nation that broke away from Moldova 23 years ago, and wants to be part of Russia, might become part of Russia?


Well "nation" is a bit wrong strong. And as for "wants to", do you mean everybody? Or a large majority? A small majority? How big a vote does it take to strip some land, plus all the investments that the rest of the country made in that strip, and give them to another country?

sweetmelissa31: Moldova is a total sh*thole- it's the poorest country in Europe and was ranked the unhappiest country in the world. Men have to move to other countries to find jobs, and many of the women are used for human trafficking. I'd rather be part of Russia too.


Yes, because becoming part of Russia will make that so much better.
2014-03-24 10:29:55 AM  
1 vote:

Pattuq: That old woman is by far not the only person in former Soviet states who prays for the return of communism and the USSR. It is a sentiment widely held by, in some cases, majority populations of former member states. Very few areas that were once part of the Union were suddenly improved by its absence, or the absence of communism. A lot of people went from a predictable, livable "poverty" (as described by people who have an abundance of things they don't need) to a chaotic, miserable existence with no certainties, no help and not even an illusion of humanity from the people supposedly leading them. Those with plenty in the West certainly don't give a damn, and the only time these former Soviet states come up in consideration is when they might be used as a tool by an old enemy to gain marginally more territory or power.


Fortunately, many of those countries west of Russia are still mainly populated by those who survived Stalin's purges and the rest who want to return to Russia are the carpetbaggers who replaced them.

These are people who loved Communism so much they embraced Hitler. Because Hitler at least promised to exterminate them tomorrow instead of today.
2014-03-24 10:24:49 AM  
1 vote:
Does Moldova have oil?
2014-03-24 10:23:47 AM  
1 vote:
2014-03-24 10:18:25 AM  
1 vote:

CleanAndPure: TheGregiss: The Russians need lebensraum.

They have that in abundance... this isn't Germany where 20 people have to live in the area of a sardine can.

Each Russian has 20 national parks in his back yard. Huge country...


Russia doesn't need breathing room, it needs a buffer zone.

Russians have some ingrained terror of being invaded.  Especially by Germany.  And to the Russian mind, the best way to keep themselves safe is to put as much room between themselves and their enemies.  That's why they had the Iron Curtain and the Soviet Bloc nations as a big buffer zone between them and NATO.

That's why they freak out when their neighbors want to get cozy and comfy with the West.  They see no buffer between them and enemy armies bearing down on Moscow.
2014-03-24 10:17:33 AM  
1 vote:

sweetmelissa31: Men have to move to other countries to find jobs, and many of the women are used for human trafficking


i.imgur.com

"Moldova, Moldova, you very nice place"
2014-03-24 10:04:49 AM  
1 vote:

ciberido: verbaltoxin: It's okay, we actually know how to find land wars in Europe.

[www.zealoptics.com image 640x480]

Relieved to hear it.


I deserved that.
2014-03-24 09:46:01 AM  
1 vote:
All it needs is one highly-placed Russian official to decide: you know, a successful Valkyrie-type attempt early in Hitler's career would have saved a whole lot of Russian lives.
2014-03-24 09:44:57 AM  
1 vote:
"After the collapse of the USSR, Transdniester, a strip of land sandwiched between Moldova and Ukraine, declared its independence from Moldova. A brief civil war followed in 1992, eventually ending in an awkward stalemate.
In its 23-year existence, Transdniester has not been recognised by any other nation on the planet. Even Russia, which has stationed about 1,000 soldiers there since the end of the civil war, has failed to recognise it."

So the nation that broke away from Moldova 23 years ago, and wants to be part of Russia, might become part of Russia?

img3.wikia.nocookie.net
2014-03-24 09:43:51 AM  
1 vote:
Color me surprised.
 
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