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(CTV News)   For sale: One province, lots of land, attractive women, potential language barrier possible. Willing to consider trade. Maybe even Florida   (ctvnews.ca) divider line 121
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2014-03-23 05:23:12 PM  
So they're worried about a conspiracy by college students to swing the election?
 
2014-03-23 05:26:17 PM  
Money and the ethnic vote?
 
2014-03-23 05:49:18 PM  

JasonOfOrillia: Money and the ethnic vote?


we have a winner!

Marios farked up and now needs a scapegoat.
 
2014-03-23 06:22:24 PM  
Can a Canadian please explain the deal with Quebec.  It seems like the rest of Canada has to bend over backwards to appease Quebec but the reverse doesn't seem to be true.
 
2014-03-23 06:37:39 PM  
PQ suggests upcoming election will be 'stolen by people from Ontario'

Well how about that! I didn't even know Canada had busloads of hispanic Democrats.
 
2014-03-23 06:39:01 PM  

slayer199: Can a Canadian please explain the deal with Quebec.  It seems like the rest of Canada has to bend over backwards to appease Quebec but the reverse doesn't seem to be true.


You pretty much got it.  If Albertans want something from the government we get called racist rednecks.  If Quebec wants something, they usually get 2 of them just in case.

All because we feel guilty for not forcing them to speak english after the Plains of Abraham.
 
2014-03-23 06:40:53 PM  

slayer199: Can a Canadian please explain the deal with Quebec.  It seems like the rest of Canada has to bend over backwards to appease Quebec but the reverse doesn't seem to be true.


In the interest of fairness, have a Canadien explain it, too.
 
2014-03-23 06:41:39 PM  
Are you Canucks _sure_ you want Florida?

/*holds breath*
//Not really.
 
2014-03-23 06:42:19 PM  

fusillade762: So they're worried about a conspiracy by college students to swing the election?


Maybe that this is an important vote so a lot of people are turning out for it?  No wai.
 
2014-03-23 06:45:43 PM  

slayer199: Can a Canadian please explain the deal with Quebec.  It seems like the rest of Canada has to bend over backwards to appease Quebec but the reverse doesn't seem to be true.


Canada has a long history of bribery to get various regions to join.  Quebec got to keep their language and culture, BC got a railroad, Joey Smallwood delivered economic certainty to Newfoundland.  Alberta proudly delivered their own power, on account of being cunningly situated on most of the country's oil reserves.

Canada was built on a series of shotgun marriages.  If some of them seem a little loveless at times, that'd be why.
 
2014-03-23 06:49:29 PM  
Texasmea river
 
2014-03-23 06:50:35 PM  
If Quebec becomes an independent country wouldn't that cause more problems than it would solve?
 
2014-03-23 06:52:58 PM  

red5ish: If Quebec becomes an independent country wouldn't that cause more problems than it would solve?


At least they won't be land-locked.
 
2014-03-23 06:56:29 PM  
Quebec for Florida? Tell you what - I'll throw in Arkansas.
 
2014-03-23 07:00:35 PM  
Quebec is like the Aran Islands.  Brings tourists.
 
2014-03-23 07:08:44 PM  

red5ish: If Quebec becomes an independent country wouldn't that cause more problems than it would solve?


Actually, Quebec is considered its own country, within Canada.  I'm still trying to figure out why Canada doesn't just let them secede like they keep threatening to.  Let them go, close the borders, pass a law the same day saying they get no foreign aid from Canada ever.  Be willing to let them wither and die, if need be, to get them to Grow. the Fark. UP.

I swear, they are the most farked up crazy people I have ever seen.
 
2014-03-23 07:10:13 PM  
ACORN!

SOROS!

BLACK PANTHERS!

Oops, wrong country.

Still, it's nice to know that Quebec separatists are acting just as retarded as teabaggers.
 
2014-03-23 07:11:23 PM  
This was the best submission to go green?
 
2014-03-23 07:19:28 PM  
\She is actually the dumbest politician  I've ever seen in action; she called an early election and it's blowing up in her face.  She has no clue how a budget or deficit works.

She got all the French racists riled up to kick out the foreigners, but none of the schools or hospitals will comply with her `no overt religious symbols or dress` code
 
2014-03-23 07:26:04 PM  

red5ish: If Quebec becomes an independent country wouldn't that cause more problems than it would solve?


Dont confuse the secessionists with your "facts"

see Scotland, Barcelona, Texas etc. Same shiat different day. No you don't get to be in NATO or the eu. No all your countries problems will not be magically solved once the "outsiders" can't control you.
 
2014-03-23 07:28:13 PM  

Triumph: Quebec for Florida?


So we would become part of Canada?  I'm cool with that.
 
2014-03-23 07:29:27 PM  

red5ish: If Quebec becomes an independent country wouldn't that cause more problems than it would solve?


And then some. Most Quebecers know this, and this is why they're going to give Ms. Marois and the PQ the boot for bringing up the possibility of a referendum. She farked up, and now she's screaming 'the anglos are coming, the anglos are coming' to try and save her dumb ass. But it ain't going to work and she'll lose the election and the PQ leadership anyway, and good riddance.
 
2014-03-23 07:31:57 PM  
I think we should do this to Florida:
 
2014-03-23 07:37:47 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: fusillade762: So they're worried about a conspiracy by college students to swing the election?

Maybe that this is an important vote so a lot of people are turning out for it?  No wai.


Not really.

The three main parties range from the extreme right of centre-left to extreme-left of centre-right.

The PQ was once again forced to say they wouldn't call a referendum on independence until "the conditions were right". And they currently aren't.
 
2014-03-23 07:40:10 PM  

fusillade762: So they're worried about a conspiracy by college students to swing the election?


Québécois: Canada's TEAhaddists.
 
2014-03-23 07:43:31 PM  
Also, I' honestly curious. What amount of bending over backward have the other provinces actually done to accomodate Quebec?

(And transfer payments don't count, as that would mean that Canada bends over backwards for 7 of its 10 provinces)
 
2014-03-23 07:43:50 PM  
So even Canadian politicians are seeing conspiracies and trying to stir up trouble by banning voters, then we are near the end of times.
 
2014-03-23 07:50:27 PM  

rev. dave: So even Canadian politicians are seeing conspiracies and trying to stir up trouble by banning voters, then we are near the end of times.


They're not banning voters, it's actually the opposite. TFA states they can't prevent people from illegally registering.

(As if a few hundred students in one or two ridings that would have voted Liberal anyway, made any difference)
 
2014-03-23 07:56:54 PM  
You'd think after the smack down BQ got during the last Federal election that their PQ buddies would tone things down... WAY DOWN! Guess they want to get beat down by NPDQ as badly as BQ got beat by NPD. Solidarity and all of that apparently.
 
2014-03-23 07:58:47 PM  

EngineerAU: as BQ got beat by NPD


or NDP... damn French word order screwing with my brain.
 
2014-03-23 08:07:44 PM  
The proportion of Canada's population which lies in Ontario is massively underrepresented by our political system, which has stacked the deck against us in terms of negotiating power. You don't see us talking separation.
 
2014-03-23 08:11:31 PM  

slayer199: Can a Canadian please explain the deal with Quebec.  It seems like the rest of Canada has to bend over backwards to appease Quebec but the reverse doesn't seem to be true.


If Quebec secedes, it cuts off the Maritimes from the rest of Canada.  That's the problem in a nutshell.

/not Canadian
 
2014-03-23 08:19:14 PM  

Flab: Also, I' honestly curious. What amount of bending over backward have the other provinces actually done to accomodate Quebec?

(And transfer payments don't count, as that would mean that Canada bends over backwards for 7 of its 10 provinces)


The problem with transfer payments to Quebec isn't that we think transfer payments are inherently bad. The problem is that Quebec had no business taking transfer payments, ever. Quebec and Ontario are where Canada began; If Ontario were NYC, Quebec would be Boston; both are well built up and should have no trouble sustaining themselves economically. Quebec shat all over the opportunities it has had for decades, and deliberately drove Anglophone business away. As soon as they passed restrictive language laws, we should have stopped transfer payments on the basis that it's not up to the rest of us to shoulder the economic burden for them to enact xenophobic policies.
 
2014-03-23 08:20:53 PM  

tirob: slayer199: Can a Canadian please explain the deal with Quebec.  It seems like the rest of Canada has to bend over backwards to appease Quebec but the reverse doesn't seem to be true.

If Quebec secedes, it cuts off the Maritimes from the rest of Canada.  That's the problem in a nutshell.

/not Canadian


I honestly doubt the federal government would allow that to happen. I can see them deploying the military along the Seaway and maintaining control of land routes to the Maritimes.
 
2014-03-23 08:26:50 PM  

LavenderWolf: tirob: slayer199: Can a Canadian please explain the deal with Quebec.  It seems like the rest of Canada has to bend over backwards to appease Quebec but the reverse doesn't seem to be true.

If Quebec secedes, it cuts off the Maritimes from the rest of Canada.  That's the problem in a nutshell.

/not Canadian

I honestly doubt the federal government would allow that to happen. I can see them deploying the military along the Seaway and maintaining control of land routes to the Maritimes.


Wait, scratch that. The Seaway cannot be entered by military vessels, by treaty with the US. Still, they can deploy on Canadian soil all they want.
 
2014-03-23 08:37:17 PM  

Triumph: Quebec for Florida? Tell you what - I'll throw in Arkansas.


And Texas. And California. And Kentucky.
 
2014-03-23 08:38:20 PM  
Le Butthurte.
 
2014-03-23 08:40:34 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Triumph: Quebec for Florida? Tell you what - I'll throw in Arkansas.

And Texas. And California. And Kentucky.


ok, we'll throw in Toronto to balance the deal, but we are going to have to insist on taking at least 3 of the Hawaiian Islands to finish the deal, and Molokai isn't one of them.
 
2014-03-23 08:43:48 PM  
Quebec should secede and join the European Union. At the same time Great Britain should withdraw from the European Union and join the Union of English-Speaking Peoples. It would be an economic windfall for both countries.
 
2014-03-23 08:44:14 PM  

cc_rider: Still, it's nice to know that Quebec separatists are acting just as retarded as teabaggers.


Same as it ever was.
 
2014-03-23 09:00:27 PM  

LavenderWolf: Flab: Also, I' honestly curious. What amount of bending over backward have the other provinces actually done to accomodate Quebec?

(And transfer payments don't count, as that would mean that Canada bends over backwards for 7 of its 10 provinces)

The problem with transfer payments to Quebec isn't that we think transfer payments are inherently bad. The problem is that Quebec had no business taking transfer payments, ever. Quebec and Ontario are where Canada began; If Ontario were NYC, Quebec would be Boston; both are well built up and should have no trouble sustaining themselves economically. Quebec shat all over the opportunities it has had for decades, and deliberately drove Anglophone business away. As soon as they passed restrictive language laws, we should have stopped transfer payments on the basis that it's not up to the rest of us to shoulder the economic burden for them to enact xenophobic policies.


You seem to forget that most of Quebec is just "North New Brunswick", and that outside of Montreal, the main industry is fisheries and logging.  Both of which haven't exactly been thriving in recent years.  Bombardier, CAE or Ubisoft can't really hire cod fishermen that are out of work!

Also, your argument about language laws being an excuse for not honoring transfer payments doesn't hold water.  Transfer payments have existed for 55 years, and Quebec was already on the receivng end, even bfore Bill 101 was instated 30 years ago, so what were those businesses that were driven away no doing properly back then, if your argument is that if they were still here, we'd be swimming in cash?
 
2014-03-23 09:02:20 PM  

LavenderWolf: LavenderWolf: tirob: slayer199: Can a Canadian please explain the deal with Quebec.  It seems like the rest of Canada has to bend over backwards to appease Quebec but the reverse doesn't seem to be true.

If Quebec secedes, it cuts off the Maritimes from the rest of Canada.  That's the problem in a nutshell.

/not Canadian

I honestly doubt the federal government would allow that to happen. I can see them deploying the military along the Seaway and maintaining control of land routes to the Maritimes.

Wait, scratch that. The Seaway cannot be entered by military vessels, by treaty with the US. Still, they can deploy on Canadian soil all they want.


IMHO, they ought to.  Let Quebec secede.  Work out the agreement that they can have ALLLLLLLLL that land, Canada just keeps a corridor to the Maritimes.  Then, as I said above, throw a fence up, pass a law that Quebec gets no Canadian foreign aid, let them wither on the vine.  Hoist on their own petard.  Whatever.  The smart people would move out and the idiots would stay.  Quebec would come back to Canada under far better terms in a few years.  No more being your own little pseudo-country, for one.
 
2014-03-23 09:06:12 PM  

tirob: slayer199: Can a Canadian please explain the deal with Quebec.  It seems like the rest of Canada has to bend over backwards to appease Quebec but the reverse doesn't seem to be true.

If Quebec secedes, it cuts off the Maritimes from the rest of Canada.  That's the problem in a nutshell.

/not Canadian


And how do Alaska and Hawaii manage to survive?

LavenderWolf: I honestly doubt the federal government would allow that to happen. I can see them deploying the military along the Seaway and maintaining control of land routes to the Maritimes.


What would be the point in doing that?
 
JFC
2014-03-23 09:10:35 PM  
 
2014-03-23 09:12:25 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Let Quebec secede.


You seem to forget that it failed twice already (OK, last time was a close call) and that most Quebecers do not want to secede.  The only reason the PQ got elected two years ago was to get rid of the corrupt Liberals, not because people were thinking that it would be nice to start talking about indepenence again.  Their back pedaling about not raising tuition fees, lost them the 18-24 vote.  Their poor environmental record, lost them the  green vote, and hiring a billionnaire who ran two of his newspapers into the ground, rather than give in to the unions, lost them the union vote.  Their track record in 2 years is so bad, that we're likely to re-elect the Liberals, rather than suffer four more years of the PQ.
 
2014-03-23 09:16:50 PM  
So what if we are part of one of the most prosperous, happiest nations on the planet? We want to be free to speak only our consonantless pseudolanguage and wallow in French-like squalour.

Vive la Quebec!
 
2014-03-23 09:19:40 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Triumph: Quebec for Florida? Tell you what - I'll throw in Arkansas.

And Texas. And California. And Kentucky.


Make it Washington, Oregon AND California and you have got a deal...
 
2014-03-23 09:23:05 PM  

Flab: tirob: slayer199: Can a Canadian please explain the deal with Quebec.  It seems like the rest of Canada has to bend over backwards to appease Quebec but the reverse doesn't seem to be true.

If Quebec secedes, it cuts off the Maritimes from the rest of Canada.  That's the problem in a nutshell.

/not Canadian

And how do Alaska and Hawaii manage to survive?


They don't have a large French-speaking country situated between themselves and the lower 48, that's how.

Seriously, the Maritimes would survive being cut off from the rest of Canada and vice-versa.  But many English-speaking Canadians would become mighty upset if their country were split in two.  There is even some evidence of that sentiment in this thread.
 
2014-03-23 09:25:53 PM  
Is Quebec leaves Canada would we need to name a sub-species "Quebec Goose"?

/Oie d'Quebec?
 
2014-03-23 09:26:48 PM  
I am kind of hoping Quebec does secede. The US could use a few more states that aren't filled with racist idiots and a well vetted national health care program. In exchange Canada gets to be cool and perhaps enjoy a bit more summer.
 
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