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2014-03-23 12:50:27 PM
Chicago is a gun-free zone. How does this happen? It's almost as if criminals don't give a shiat about laws! What kind of world do we live in?
 
2014-03-23 12:50:38 PM
You know it's spring in Cleveland when it's snowing and high of 20 degrees. Actually, that's the problem. That forecast could be any day between Oct and May
 
2014-03-23 12:52:56 PM

duffblue: Chicago is a gun-free zone. How does this happen? It's almost as if criminals don't give a shiat about laws! What kind of world do we live in?


The 30-year handgun ban in Chicago ended years ago.

And during the handgun ban violent crime plummeted (as it did throughout the US).
 
2014-03-23 12:55:19 PM
I love the smell of gunpowder in the Spring air.
 
2014-03-23 12:56:44 PM
Close to 3 million people in Chicago. 10 were hurt this weekend.

Yes, it's a problem, but it's not exactly a wave of violence.
 
2014-03-23 12:58:35 PM
How many Fark gun grabbers have already memorized these victims names and are putting together photoshop memorials to them?
 
2014-03-23 12:58:40 PM

jaytkay: duffblue: Chicago is a gun-free zone. How does this happen? It's almost as if criminals don't give a shiat about laws! What kind of world do we live in?

The 30-year handgun ban in Chicago ended years ago.

And during the handgun ban violent crime plummeted (as it did throughout the US).


And it sure stayed that way too right?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/28/chicago-gun-ban-axed-afte_n _6 27773.html
 
2014-03-23 01:05:24 PM

jaytkay: duffblue: Chicago is a gun-free zone. How does this happen? It's almost as if criminals don't give a shiat about laws! What kind of world do we live in?

The 30-year handgun ban in Chicago ended years ago.

And during the handgun ban violent crime plummeted (as it did throughout the US).


Sorry man, it's hard to keep track of all these third world shiatholes.
 
2014-03-23 01:06:37 PM
Elbow, thigh, ankle, calf, side, arm,  another arm , another elbow, hand , knee, and foot.
 
2014-03-23 01:07:13 PM

jaytkay: duffblue: Chicago is a gun-free zone. How does this happen? It's almost as if criminals don't give a shiat about laws! What kind of world do we live in?

The 30-year handgun ban in Chicago ended years ago.

And during the handgun ban violent crime plummeted (as it did throughout the US).


The Chicago gun ban caused crime to plummet across the US? Weird.
 
2014-03-23 01:07:30 PM

jaytkay: duffblue: Chicago is a gun-free zone. How does this happen? It's almost as if criminals don't give a shiat about laws! What kind of world do we live in?

The 30-year handgun ban in Chicago ended years ago.

And during the handgun ban violent crime plummeted (as it did throughout the US).


However, the total number of homocides (mostly firearm related) went through the ROOF.  As a matter of fact; prior to the nutty gun ban in 1982 (which wasn't really a ban, per se, more like the city just flat out refused to register handguns) figures for armed robbery were already declining, along with rates for motor vehicle theft.  Post gun-ban, everything skyrocketed, and we're now just starting to see levels at or lower than what they were nearly 40 years ago.
 
2014-03-23 01:09:10 PM

Boojum2k: Close to 3 million people in Chicago. 10 were hurt this weekend.

Yes, it's a problem, but it's not exactly a wave of violence.


Sad when having 10 people shot anywhere is not considered a wave of violence. Is this because it wasn't ten well to do or white people or cops who weren't shot? And I realize from the other story a guy did raise his gun at cops, though he actually didn't shoot any.
 
2014-03-23 01:10:00 PM
"The three men shot there were outside on the block when they heard gunfire and each realized they had been shot, Gaines said."

Honestly, who hasn't had this experience? "Hey, you guys, I think I've been shot. You too? Wow, that's totally weird."
 
2014-03-23 01:12:38 PM
Maybe this time, finally, we can get that assault weapons ban back in place.
 
2014-03-23 01:13:29 PM

wellreadneck: Elbow, thigh, ankle, calf, side, arm,  another arm , another elbow, hand , knee, and foot.


Yep, all them bullets, and only one came close to center-mass, or, in other words, about the usual rate of accuracy in such shootings (unless the shooter is within arm's reach, the shooters never seem to hit anything that is immediately fatal if hit, and even then the shooters sometimes seem unable to hit the broadside of a barn from the inside).
 
2014-03-23 01:15:03 PM

skinink: Sad when having 10 people shot anywhere is not considered a wave of violence. Is this because it wasn't ten well to do or white people or cops who weren't shot? And I realize from the other story a guy did raise his gun at cops, though he actually didn't shoot any.


In America, A violent crime occurs every 30 seconds or so.

That figure is all violent crime, not gun violence.

/Welcome to the truth.
 
2014-03-23 01:15:26 PM

skinink: Sad when having 10 people shot anywhere is not considered a wave of violence.


.0003% of the city population injured, not killed, over the weekend. Meanwhile, at least two fatalities in car accidents in Chicago.  Yeah, as I noted they have a problem, but it's not exactly an epidemic.

And why are you worried over the race or wealth of the people involved? Do they mean less to you if they're of a particular race or economic class? Because that's pretty disgusting, dude.
 
2014-03-23 01:16:34 PM

jaytkay: duffblue: Chicago is a gun-free zone. How does this happen? It's almost as if criminals don't give a shiat about laws! What kind of world do we live in?

The 30-year handgun ban in Chicago ended years ago.

And during the handgun ban violent crime plummeted (as it did throughout the US).


There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.  - Mark Twain
 
2014-03-23 01:18:42 PM

GoldSpider: Maybe this time, finally, we can get that assault weapons ban back in place.


Because that did wonders for lowering the crime rate due to illegal handguns in Chicago.

And your average street thug or gang member isn't going to be carrying an AK-47 when he feels the need to mow down the block.  He'll use something like this:

s3.amazonaws.com
 
2014-03-23 01:18:53 PM

TheEdibleSnuggie: jaytkay: duffblue: Chicago is a gun-free zone. How does this happen? It's almost as if criminals don't give a shiat about laws! What kind of world do we live in?

The 30-year handgun ban in Chicago ended years ago.

And during the handgun ban violent crime plummeted (as it did throughout the US).

However, the total number of homocides (mostly firearm related) went through the ROOF.  As a matter of fact; prior to the nutty gun ban in 1982 (which wasn't really a ban, per se, more like the city just flat out refused to register handguns) figures for armed robbery were already declining, along with rates for motor vehicle theft.  Post gun-ban, everything skyrocketed, and we're now just starting to see levels at or lower than what they were nearly 40 years ago.


Well............since when did this become a debate regarding how many gay people were murdered in Chicago with firearms?
 
2014-03-23 01:18:56 PM

GoldSpider: Maybe this time, finally, we can get that assault weapons ban back in place.


Why would that have any effect on violent crime? Any idea how many people a year in the US are killed or even injured with 'assault weapons?'
 
2014-03-23 01:20:56 PM
South side of Chicago, it's the baddest part of town. If you go down there you better just beware.
 
2014-03-23 01:21:23 PM

lantawa: TheEdibleSnuggie: jaytkay: duffblue: Chicago is a gun-free zone. How does this happen? It's almost as if criminals don't give a shiat about laws! What kind of world do we live in?

The 30-year handgun ban in Chicago ended years ago.

And during the handgun ban violent crime plummeted (as it did throughout the US).

However, the total number of homocides (mostly firearm related) went through the ROOF.  As a matter of fact; prior to the nutty gun ban in 1982 (which wasn't really a ban, per se, more like the city just flat out refused to register handguns) figures for armed robbery were already declining, along with rates for motor vehicle theft.  Post gun-ban, everything skyrocketed, and we're now just starting to see levels at or lower than what they were nearly 40 years ago.

Well............since when did this become a debate regarding how many gay people were murdered in Chicago with firearms?


...It's been a long day
 
2014-03-23 01:25:33 PM

jaytkay: duffblue: Chicago is a gun-free zone. How does this happen? It's almost as if criminals don't give a shiat about laws! What kind of world do we live in?

The 30-year handgun ban in Chicago ended years ago.

And during the handgun ban violent crime plummeted (as it did throughout the US).


Freaky. Wonder why?
 
2014-03-23 01:26:12 PM

TheEdibleSnuggie: lantawa: TheEdibleSnuggie: jaytkay: duffblue: Chicago is a gun-free zone. How does this happen? It's almost as if criminals don't give a shiat about laws! What kind of world do we live in?

The 30-year handgun ban in Chicago ended years ago.

And during the handgun ban violent crime plummeted (as it did throughout the US).

However, the total number of homocides (mostly firearm related) went through the ROOF.  As a matter of fact; prior to the nutty gun ban in 1982 (which wasn't really a ban, per se, more like the city just flat out refused to register handguns) figures for armed robbery were already declining, along with rates for motor vehicle theft.  Post gun-ban, everything skyrocketed, and we're now just starting to see levels at or lower than what they were nearly 40 years ago.

Well............since when did this become a debate regarding how many gay people were murdered in Chicago with firearms?

...It's been a long day


If I was a gay rapper my name would be Homocide. Totally awesome.
 
2014-03-23 01:26:45 PM

lifeboat: jaytkay: duffblue: Chicago is a gun-free zone. How does this happen? It's almost as if criminals don't give a shiat about laws! What kind of world do we live in?

The 30-year handgun ban in Chicago ended years ago.

And during the handgun ban violent crime plummeted (as it did throughout the US).

Freaky. Wonder why?


You always believe everything you read on Fark?
 
2014-03-23 01:27:06 PM

TheEdibleSnuggie: lantawa: TheEdibleSnuggie: jaytkay: duffblue: Chicago is a gun-free zone. How does this happen? It's almost as if criminals don't give a shiat about laws! What kind of world do we live in?

The 30-year handgun ban in Chicago ended years ago.

And during the handgun ban violent crime plummeted (as it did throughout the US).

However, the total number of no homocides (mostly firearm related) went through the ROOF.  As a matter of fact; prior to the nutty gun ban in 1982 (which wasn't really a ban, per se, more like the city just flat out refused to register handguns) figures for armed robbery were already declining, along with rates for motor vehicle theft.  Post gun-ban, everything skyrocketed, and we're now just starting to see levels at or lower than what they were nearly 40 years ago.

Well............since when did this become a debate regarding how many gay people were murdered in Chicago with firearms?

...It's been a long day


FTFY
 
2014-03-23 01:27:42 PM

Hector Remarkable: South side of Chicago, it's the baddest part of town. If you go down there you better just beware.


It's moving west as they push to clean up the corridor.

Gang violence in Chicago is one of those topics that can go on for a long time for a variety of reasons.  Hell, even the Feds are partially to blame.  They took out the top 20 leadership positions of Chicago's largest gang in a RICO case, which caused the entire structure to shatter into independent cliques for awhile, resulting in escalated drug territory battles.

People need to focus less on the implement, and much more on the actual farking problems: The gangs themselves.

But they won't, because there is a social element to that, and politicians don't like farking with social problems of that nature if they can just toss around gun debates.
 
2014-03-23 01:28:24 PM

duffblue: Chicago is a gun-free zone. How does this happen? I


The area outside of Chicago is not as reasonable and any yahoo who wants to shoot someone can buy a gun after an incredibly middling federal background check.  As for Chicago gun sales, despite the Supremes overturning the 2nd Amendment in McDonald v. Chicago and opening gun ownership in Chicago to anyone, regardless of whether or not they belonged to a well regulated militia, sales haven't opened yet while Chicago tried to delay the inevitable and work out how they're going to license and police arms dealers and buyers.
 
2014-03-23 01:31:44 PM

TheEdibleSnuggie: the total number of homocides (mostly firearm related) went through the ROOF. As a matter of fact; prior to the nutty gun ban in 1982 (which wasn't really a ban, per se, more like the city just flat out refused to register handguns) figures for armed robbery were already declining, along with rates for motor vehicle theft. Post gun-ban, everything skyrocketed, and we're now just starting to see levels at or lower than what they were nearly 40 years ago.


That is the most dishonest post I've seen here in a while. Congratulations.

Homicides dropped in half during the Chicago gun ban (just like every major US city).

They PEAKED 40 years ago.

Homicides in Chicago by year (handguns were banned from 1982 to 2012)
1974    970
1975    818
1976    814
1977    823
1978    787
1979    856
1980    863
1981    877
1982    668
1983    729
1984    741
1985    666
1986    744
1987    691
1988    660
1989    742
1990    851
1991    927
1992    943
1993    855
1994    931
1995    828
1996    796
1997    761
1998    704
1999    643
2000    633
2001    667
2002    656
2003    601
2004    453
2005    451
2006    471
2007    448
2008    513
2009    459
2010    436
2011    435
2012    516

2013    415



/ I am not claiming the ban caused the drop, I am calling out the dumbasses who claim it causes violence.
 
2014-03-23 01:33:26 PM

DeathByGeekSquad: People need to focus less on the implement, and much more on the actual farking problems: The gangs themselves.


But you can be considered racist if you talk about the gangs.

You're a hero if you want to ban guns.
 
2014-03-23 01:35:49 PM

Keith Dudemeister: TheEdibleSnuggie: lantawa: TheEdibleSnuggie: jaytkay: duffblue: Chicago is a gun-free zone. How does this happen? It's almost as if criminals don't give a shiat about laws! What kind of world do we live in?

The 30-year handgun ban in Chicago ended years ago.

And during the handgun ban violent crime plummeted (as it did throughout the US).

However, the total number of homocides (mostly firearm related) went through the ROOF.  As a matter of fact; prior to the nutty gun ban in 1982 (which wasn't really a ban, per se, more like the city just flat out refused to register handguns) figures for armed robbery were already declining, along with rates for motor vehicle theft.  Post gun-ban, everything skyrocketed, and we're now just starting to see levels at or lower than what they were nearly 40 years ago.

Well............since when did this become a debate regarding how many gay people were murdered in Chicago with firearms?

...It's been a long day

If I was a gay rapper my name would be Homocide. Totally awesome.


Sorry, Chozen is the gay rapper name.

/with an Ozen
 
2014-03-23 01:36:30 PM

TheEdibleSnuggie: And your average street thug or gang member isn't going to be carrying an AK-47 when he feels the need to mow down the block. He'll use something like this:


You get your news from comic books, correct?

The average street criminal has a cheap-ass handgun, maybe a .22 (the most common calbre for homicides in the US).
 
2014-03-23 01:39:17 PM
I was in Cabelas last spring looking at handguns and the clerk told an amusing story. A couple thugish guys from Chicago were in looking at guns, and he overheard one tell the other 'don't mess around over here. Old white guys will shoot your ass in a minute'.

He wasn't all that wrong. Once you get a little outside of Gary, it gets VERY pro 2nd ammendment.
 
2014-03-23 01:40:09 PM

jaytkay: TheEdibleSnuggie: the total number of homocides (mostly firearm related) went through the ROOF. As a matter of fact; prior to the nutty gun ban in 1982 (which wasn't really a ban, per se, more like the city just flat out refused to register handguns) figures for armed robbery were already declining, along with rates for motor vehicle theft. Post gun-ban, everything skyrocketed, and we're now just starting to see levels at or lower than what they were nearly 40 years ago.

That is the most dishonest post I've seen here in a while. Congratulations.

Homicides dropped in half during the Chicago gun ban (just like every major US city).

They PEAKED 40 years ago.

Homicides in Chicago by year (handguns were banned from 1982 to 2012)
1974    970
1975    818
1976    814
1977    823
1978    787
1979    856
1980    863
1981    877
1982    668
1983    729
1984    741
1985    666
1986    744
1987    691
1988    660
1989    742
1990    851
1991    927
1992    943
1993    855
1994    931
1995    828
1996    796
1997    761
1998    704
1999    643
2000    633
2001    667
2002    656
2003    601
2004    453
2005    451
2006    471
2007    448
2008    513
2009    459
2010    436
2011    435
2012    516
2013    415


/ I am not claiming the ban caused the drop, I am calling out the dumbasses who claim it causes violence.


If one wanted to debate, you could suggest the following:

"Hey, let's ban handguns it's gonna solve the problem!"
*handgun ban*
*problem not solved*
"Just give it a bit, it'll even out!"
*early 90s*
"Oh, shiat, guess we have to start figuring things out!"
"Let's start making yearly police commitments to combat homicides!"
*numbers start to slowly decline*

I think the best display of how inept Chicago is at dealing with gangs and gang violence are the Safe Passage locations, which have been riddled with violence since their inception.
 
2014-03-23 01:47:26 PM

duffblue: Chicago is a gun-free zone. How does this happen? It's almost as if criminals don't give a shiat about laws! What kind of world do we live in?


The state of Illinois enacted a "shall-issue" based concealed weapons permit system in 2013. permits were issued this month. The shootings are therefore a direct result of that permit system, proving that allowing concealed weapons increase crime.
 
2014-03-23 01:47:39 PM
None of this would've happened if they were limited to 10-round magazines.
 
2014-03-23 01:49:29 PM

DeathByGeekSquad: If one wanted to debate, you could suggest the following:

"Hey, let's ban handguns it's gonna solve the problem!"
*handgun ban*
*problem not solved*
"Just give it a bit, it'll even out!"
*early 90s*
"Oh, shiat, guess we have to start figuring things out!"
"Let's start making yearly police commitments to combat homicides!"
*numbers start to slowly decline*

I think the best display of how inept Chicago is at dealing with gangs and gang violence are the Safe Passage locations, which have been riddled with violence since their inception.


From that same Wiki page where those numbers were quoted to put a little more depth into the statistics:

In 2005, 75% of murders involved a firearm, and 11% were the result of a stabbing. 41% of domestic murders were stabbings. 10% of murders in 2005 (39) were the result of an armed robbery, 9% were of undetermined cause, and at least 30% were gang altercations. Over 40% of victims and 60% of offenders were between the ages of 17 and 25. 85% of victims and 93% of offenders were male. 76% of victims were African American (77.4% of offenders were), 18.3% were Hispanic (17.3% of offenders), and 5.6% were white (5.3% of offenders).[citation needed]
The black murder victimization rate was approximately 34 per 100,000; the Hispanic rate was 11 per 100,000, and the white rate 3 per 100,000. Over 75% of victims and 88% of offenders had a prior arrest history. 11% of armed robbery victims were female, 50% of domestic victims were female, and 7% of gang-related victims were female. 31% of armed robbery victims were over 45 years old. 29% of domestic-related murders were committed by women. From 1991 to 2005, 19.2% of armed robbery murder victims were white, and only 4.3% of armed robbery murder offenders were white

I bolded the more interesting part.
 
2014-03-23 01:49:48 PM

duffblue: lifeboat: jaytkay: duffblue: Chicago is a gun-free zone. How does this happen? It's almost as if criminals don't give a shiat about laws! What kind of world do we live in?

The 30-year handgun ban in Chicago ended years ago.

And during the handgun ban violent crime plummeted (as it did throughout the US).

Freaky. Wonder why?

You always believe everything you read on Fark?


No, but educated professionals who study shiat like that and back up their theories with hard data are much more credible than some nonny on the internet.

Nothing personal.
 
2014-03-23 01:52:12 PM

Boojum2k: Close to 3 million people in Chicago. 10 were hurt this weekend.

Yes, it's a problem, but it's not exactly a wave of violence.


"....as long as the right people get shot" Harry Callahan.
 
2014-03-23 01:52:12 PM
Oh look, another gun thread on Fark. FINALLY we can have the great discussion we've been hoping for.

/wait, jaytkay showed up, so I guess not.
 
2014-03-23 01:52:40 PM

JosephFinn: duffblue: Chicago is a gun-free zone. How does this happen? I

The area outside of Chicago is not as reasonable and any yahoo who wants to shoot someone can buy a gun after an incredibly middling federal background check.  As for Chicago gun sales, despite the Supremes overturning the 2nd Amendment in McDonald v. Chicago and opening gun ownership in Chicago to anyone, regardless of whether or not they belonged to a well regulated militia, sales haven't opened yet while Chicago tried to delay the inevitable and work out how they're going to license and police arms dealers and buyers.


While I understand that the protection established by the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution frustrates and angers you, your practice of repeatedly lying about the Amendment in claiming that it somehow prohibits firearm ownership by non-militia members, when in fact no possible rational nor honest interpretation of the Amendment could allow for such a conclusion, only demonstrates that you are dishonest and that you cannot be considered a credible source of information.
 
2014-03-23 01:55:57 PM

Dimensio: JosephFinn: duffblue: Chicago is a gun-free zone. How does this happen? I

The area outside of Chicago is not as reasonable and any yahoo who wants to shoot someone can buy a gun after an incredibly middling federal background check.  As for Chicago gun sales, despite the Supremes overturning the 2nd Amendment in McDonald v. Chicago and opening gun ownership in Chicago to anyone, regardless of whether or not they belonged to a well regulated militia, sales haven't opened yet while Chicago tried to delay the inevitable and work out how they're going to license and police arms dealers and buyers.

While I understand that the protection established by the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution frustrates and angers you, your practice of repeatedly lying about the Amendment in claiming that it somehow prohibits firearm ownership by non-militia members, when in fact no possible rational nor honest interpretation of the Amendment could allow for such a conclusion, only demonstrates that you are dishonest and that you cannot be considered a credible source of information.


That was very sternly worded, guy. Next time maybe add a smilie face at the end -- it softens the message a little and your audience will be more receptive.   :)
 
2014-03-23 01:57:16 PM
They should sell bullet proof ankle/elbow armor.
 
2014-03-23 01:59:22 PM

Kit Fister: Oh look, another gun thread on Fark. FINALLY we can have the great discussion we've been hoping for.

/wait, jaytkay showed up, so I guess not.


jaytkay is not the problem. JosephFinn, however, has already arrived to shamelessly lie about the meaning of the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution, asserting a meaning that even the Violence Policy Center would not endorse.

I would sooner trust the claim of a Farker named JosephSmith.
 
2014-03-23 02:00:02 PM

TheEdibleSnuggie: GoldSpider: Maybe this time, finally, we can get that assault weapons ban back in place.

Because that did wonders for lowering the crime rate due to illegal handguns in Chicago.

And your average street thug or gang member isn't going to be carrying an AK-47 when he feels the need to mow down the block.  He'll use something like this:

[s3.amazonaws.com image 230x192]


Well that would still be an assault weapon. An AK-47 is an assault rifle. Either way, it's a moot point because Cook County has had that law on the books for a long time and it was still in effect when the ineffectual federal AWB expired.
 
2014-03-23 02:01:50 PM

Dimensio: non-militia members


The ruling in Heller v. DC was that there are two classes of militia - the organized and unorganized.  The unorganized militia consists of any able-bodied male under 45 capable of bearing arms. I imagine the gender and age restrictions would not pass SCOTUS review since no other rights are restricted by gender or age.  But knuckleheads like that guy referring to a 'well-regulated' militia (as if 'regulated' meant 'restricted' and not 'trained') are just wrong. Every American citizen who hasn't forfeited their right by committing a felony (or rather being convicted of one) or being ruled mentally incompetent has the right to keep and bear arms.

I'm frankly amazed there's a front-page article over a couple of shootings in Englewood.  Usually 'those people' are just statistics, not news.
 
2014-03-23 02:03:22 PM
JosephFinn

...the Supremes overturning the 2nd Amendment in McDonald v. Chicago and opening gun ownership in Chicago to anyone, regardless of whether or not they belonged to a well regulated militia...

So much lol.
 
2014-03-23 02:03:58 PM

duffblue: lifeboat: jaytkay: duffblue: Chicago is a gun-free zone. How does this happen? It's almost as if criminals don't give a shiat about laws! What kind of world do we live in?

The 30-year handgun ban in Chicago ended years ago.

And during the handgun ban violent crime plummeted (as it did throughout the US).

Freaky. Wonder why?

You always believe everything you read on Fark?


The rates of all categories of violent crime have been going down for a few decades. Coincidentally, Chicago had a handgun ban during much of the same period.
 
2014-03-23 02:07:18 PM
Its that hour. If we stop springing forward there would be less violence.
 
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