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2014-03-23 09:57:33 AM
13 votes:

Lucky LaRue: This is just another example of right-wing dog whistling. People don't take advantage of the welfare system.


See, here's the deal.  These people are assholes, and fraudsters.  Yes, there are people that take advantage of the welfare system.  Do you know why there is a news story when they are uncovered?  Because it's news.

Do you know why there isn't a news story when someone is found to be utilizing the welfare system properly?  Because it's so common, it's not news.

/b-b-b-but Derp!
2014-03-23 12:41:47 PM
5 votes:
One of the comments to the article adds quite a bit of detail. I didn't get to fact check it, but it is interesting.

From the comments:

Reading more, it sounds like there is much more to this story and it's more than welfare cheats. This story skips over some details. They signed papers for the $1.2 million dollar yacht in 2005 and lived on it for 28 months. Based on the documents from the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals, the 28 months seems to be how long it took for the guy who sold it to them to get it back because they didn't make payments on it. March 2008, they moved into a luxury home in Minnesota and were evicted in under a year. Feb 2009, they moved into another luxury home. Reading between the lines, sounds like it may have been purchased, possibly improperly, with the funds of her grandmother.

The maximum sentence for what they are charged with is 20 years Authorities have been looking for them for a month now though they believe they have fled the country. The website for the company he is CEO of is just BS fluff that could be put together in a few hours even though the complaint references it provided him with $1 million dollars in deposits for satellite services to the Carribbean. The other $2.6 million in deposits may have came from her breeding business where amounts are subjective. Sounds like more than just welfare fraud here, but welfare fraud sounds like the easiest thing to prove and prosecute.
2014-03-23 09:20:23 AM
5 votes:
People like this are wasting air that could be better used by someone else.
m00
2014-03-23 12:56:53 PM
4 votes:
To be serious, this is what I can't stand about Republicans.

If you want to "end welfare" fine. No corporate welfare to companies like GE. No welfare to wall street. No welfare to the wealthy in the form of generous tax loopholes. No welfare to energy companies, and resource extraction companies. No protected markets. No farm bill. No using our military to aid business interests in foreign countries. Then by all means advocate also ending food stamps and welfare for poor people.

What seriously irritates me is that Republicans only advocate ending assistance to low income people who need it. But billion dollar corporations? Wealthy CEOs? They get to keep their welfare.

I guess we know who has lobbyists and makes campaign contributions. Because that's what this is about. It's about taxing the poor and middle class and giving to wholly to the rich, because rich people pay for political campaigns.

So Republicans: spare me your outrage about poor people gaming public assistance, because this only "outrages" you because they buy refrigerators with the money rather than politicians.
m00
2014-03-23 12:21:53 PM
4 votes:
Wait, these guys seem pretty rich. I thought Republicans were for welfare for rich people.
2014-03-23 08:55:45 AM
4 votes:
Just shoot 'em. Somewhere in the guts. And leave 'em adrift on the boat.
2014-03-23 01:30:10 PM
3 votes:

notatrollorami: The My Little Pony Killer: DubyaHater: In fact, let's just send them wads of cash in the mail.

Well, why not? It would certainly cut down on the instances of busybodies pretending that poor people are somehow spending "their" (the busybody's, that is) money on stuff that they don't specifically approve of.

The notion that people whose money is taken from them by force should have no opinion on how it is used is just bizarre.


It's odd that this opinion only seems to extend towards the food that poors buy. Nobody ever demands to review the doggie bag quality in the park. Or what kind of office supplies the city planning department uses.

Hell, I have never seen a single person on the Internet or in person demand to see their local police department purchasing card records to see how cops spend taxpayer money when on duty (they buy crap from fast food places and gas stations quite often). All of those places use taxpayer money.

But for poor people it's different. They need to be micromanaged.
2014-03-23 12:57:11 PM
3 votes:
There is an option to do away with wefare and unemplyment fraud, oversight, and saves money.

A guaranteed minimum income.


http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/12/10/rethinking-the-idea-of- a- basic-income-for-all/
Rethinking the Idea of a Basic Income for All
By Bruce Bartlett
Bruce Bartlett held senior policy roles in the Reagan and George H.W. Bush administrations and served on the staffs of Representatives Jack Kemp and Ron Paul.
2014-03-23 12:37:35 PM
3 votes:

Lucky LaRue: This is just another example of right-wing dog whistling. People don't take advantage of the welfare system.


But now we have lobster-eating surfer guy -and- this yacht-living scammer couple. That's 3 out of millions. Clearly, the poors are yacht-living lobster eaters. Did you know that 99.6% of the poors have a refrigerator? This is an outrage!
2014-03-23 08:58:36 AM
3 votes:

Lucky LaRue: This is just another example of right-wing dog whistling. People don't take advantage of the welfare system.


"Corporations are people, my friend"
/lulz
2014-03-23 01:42:33 PM
2 votes:

notatrollorami: The My Little Pony Killer: DubyaHater: In fact, let's just send them wads of cash in the mail.

Well, why not? It would certainly cut down on the instances of busybodies pretending that poor people are somehow spending "their" (the busybody's, that is) money on stuff that they don't specifically approve of.

The notion that people whose money is taken from them by force should have no opinion on how it is used is just bizarre.


You mean like how Walmart takes my tax money to subsidize their profits by  making their employees receive public assistance?
2014-03-23 12:39:36 PM
2 votes:
That's it, from now on anyone ripping of government handout programs need to be banned from any program for ever and we must shut down the program. But make it fair, any corporation that rips off the government also needs the same punishment and the program needs to be ended and all executives who participated need to be thrown in jail. That ok with you Haliburton?
2014-03-23 12:05:10 PM
2 votes:

grokca: North_Central_Positronics: A $30,000 Lexus?   What, was it missing an engine or something?

They were on welfare, they can't afford an engine in their car.


I bet they had a refrigerator, though.
2014-03-23 10:41:29 AM
2 votes:
99.4% of welfare recipients own a yacht.
2014-03-23 08:52:01 AM
2 votes:
This is just another example of right-wing dog whistling. People don't take advantage of the welfare system.
2014-03-23 07:26:46 PM
1 votes:
The one simple trick that has kept the one percenters on top of the pile for so long, was convincing the following 60% that everything is the fault of the dirt poor people.
2014-03-23 05:55:03 PM
1 votes:

pla: Satanic_Hamster : Bull.  shiat.

Well now, what can I possibly say to such elegant, well-presented, well-documented argument.  Touche!


Bonzo_1116 : You agreed to the taxation in your ToS.

Sorry, can you show me where I personally signed those terms of service?

It's not being ripped untimely from your sweaty little bank account.

Hi!  Welcome to the USA.  We have a saying, "Only two things in life are certain: Death and Taxes".  The latter, you get to pay "voluntarily" - By which I mean, if you don't, then yes, they will rip it right from your sweaty little bank account.  And that only refers to the extra money you "owe" the taxman, given that in the US, they attach our wages by default, and fine/imprison you if you find a way around that (even if you still pay your full bill come April 15th).


notatrollorami : Oh, don't get me wrong, taxes are absolutely necessary and must be enforceable to maintain a functioning society.

Did you realize that this year - our nation's 238th birthday - we "celebrate" our centennial of paying regular personal income tax?  Strange, how our well-functioning society managed to get by without regular taxes for over half its existence with nothing beyond voluntary lotteries and special wartime assessments.


How many carrier groups, interstate highways and Kennedy Space Centers did the US have back then?

What was life expentancy?
pla
2014-03-23 04:55:11 PM
1 votes:
Satanic_Hamster : Bull.  shiat.

Well now, what can I possibly say to such elegant, well-presented, well-documented argument.  Touche!


Bonzo_1116 : You agreed to the taxation in your ToS.

Sorry, can you show me where I personally signed those terms of service?

It's not being ripped untimely from your sweaty little bank account.

Hi!  Welcome to the USA.  We have a saying, "Only two things in life are certain: Death and Taxes".  The latter, you get to pay "voluntarily" - By which I mean, if you don't, then yes, they will rip it right from your sweaty little bank account.  And that only refers to the extra money you "owe" the taxman, given that in the US, they attach our wages by default, and fine/imprison you if you find a way around that (even if you still pay your full bill come April 15th).


notatrollorami : Oh, don't get me wrong, taxes are absolutely necessary and must be enforceable to maintain a functioning society.

Did you realize that this year - our nation's 238th birthday - we "celebrate" our centennial of paying regular personal income tax?  Strange, how our well-functioning society managed to get by without regular taxes for over half its existence with nothing beyond voluntary lotteries and special wartime assessments.
2014-03-23 04:02:27 PM
1 votes:

fredklein: TV's Vinnie:
The gop solution: scrap it and come up with a better one?

The first step to building a better house is tearing down the old house.


/or try to renovate it room-by room, while you're still living in it. Which is a nightmare and doesn't allow you to address serious structural problems


You keep assuming that republicans would ever, EVER, come up with ANYTHING with decency or compassion towards the poor, at all.

How many hours have you been on this planet?
2014-03-23 03:26:32 PM
1 votes:

BSABSVR: notatrollorami: The My Little Pony Killer: DubyaHater: In fact, let's just send them wads of cash in the mail.

Well, why not? It would certainly cut down on the instances of busybodies pretending that poor people are somehow spending "their" (the busybody's, that is) money on stuff that they don't specifically approve of.

The notion that people whose money is taken from them by force should have no opinion on how it is used is just bizarre.

It's odd that this opinion only seems to extend towards the food that poors buy. Nobody ever demands to review the doggie bag quality in the park. Or what kind of office supplies the city planning department uses.

Hell, I have never seen a single person on the Internet or in person demand to see their local police department purchasing card records to see how cops spend taxpayer money when on duty (they buy crap from fast food places and gas stations quite often). All of those places use taxpayer money.

But for poor people it's different. They need to be micromanaged.


Hmmm. We have very divergent experiences I guess. I've read epic biatchfests about spending on the military, infrastructure, corporate welfare, bureucratic waste, local pork barrel projects. But I guess you've only ever experienced people biatching about welfare abuse. Weird.
pla
2014-03-23 02:30:21 PM
1 votes:
m00 : What seriously irritates me is that Republicans only advocate ending assistance to low income people who need it. But billion dollar corporations? Wealthy CEOs? They get to keep their welfare.

You realize that in order to properly misuse a strawman argument, you need to base it off a trivially true assertion, right? It doesn't work the other way around.

If you ask a hundred Republicans if we should subsidize Big Oil, you'll get 99 saying "HELL no!", and one excusing himself to attend a BP board meeting. You have made the mistake of conflating our "faithless elected" (aka "all of them") for the party they claim to represent.

But don't let that stand in the way of some good graaar. Carry on.

As an aside - Does no one else suspect the circumstances described in TFA as a classic Joe Job? I realize people get greedy, but seriously? They just happened to apply for welfare benefits around the same time they bought a yacht and moved out of state? Can you say "gardener/neighbor noticed he had access to their mailbox"?

/ Not a republican.
2014-03-23 02:09:07 PM
1 votes:

North_Central_Positronics: A $30,000 Lexus?   What, was it missing an engine or something?


I wonder if it had big spinning rims and curb feelers.
s28.postimg.org
2014-03-23 01:31:27 PM
1 votes:

Flab: Sniffers Row: The "Public Assistance" (can't call it welfare, you might hurt feelings), programs in Minnesota are so farked. There has been a rampant abuse problem. People using their prepaid cards for smokes, alcohol, making ATM withdraws,  tattoos... A local news station here did a huge investigation, and county/state officials were all "DERP, we didn't think that the prepaid cards would be abused"

Now getting on the dole is just as easy for some. Be a single mom, have a utility bill in your name showing residence? Here's your benefits! The Megabus that runs between Minneapolis-Milwaukee-Chicago has been nicknamed Moneybus as it's used in some communities as a "commuter line" for people to travel back to MN for a weekend to re-qualify for benefits they shouldn't be getting.

Up here, in Soviet Canuckistan, we issue welfare cheques and treat them like adults and let people do what they want it.

Why do you care if they use it for smokes?


Freaking out about poor people having a few minutes out of misery is an American past time. It's like baseball.
2014-03-23 01:27:22 PM
1 votes:

Sniffers Row: The "Public Assistance" (can't call it welfare, you might hurt feelings), programs in Minnesota are so farked. There has been a rampant abuse problem. People using their prepaid cards for smokes, alcohol, making ATM withdraws,  tattoos... A local news station here did a huge investigation, and county/state officials were all "DERP, we didn't think that the prepaid cards would be abused"

Now getting on the dole is just as easy for some. Be a single mom, have a utility bill in your name showing residence? Here's your benefits! The Megabus that runs between Minneapolis-Milwaukee-Chicago has been nicknamed Moneybus as it's used in some communities as a "commuter line" for people to travel back to MN for a weekend to re-qualify for benefits they shouldn't be getting.


Up here, in Soviet Canuckistan, we issue welfare cheques and treat them like adults and let people do what they want it.

Why do you care if they use it for smokes?
2014-03-23 01:22:46 PM
1 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: DubyaHater: In fact, let's just send them wads of cash in the mail.

Well, why not? It would certainly cut down on the instances of busybodies pretending that poor people are somehow spending "their" (the busybody's, that is) money on stuff that they don't specifically approve of.


The notion that people whose money is taken from them by force should have no opinion on how it is used is just bizarre.
2014-03-23 01:00:24 PM
1 votes:
Turfshoe,
Sounds like more than just welfare fraud here, but welfare fraud sounds like the easiest thing to prove and prosecute.


This. It sounds like they could be professional grifters.
Link

\It would be an interesting reality series.
\\Don't forget the opulent $30,000 lexus. It must be harder to grift a car dealer.
2014-03-23 12:49:53 PM
1 votes:

NickelP: What is the point of that? The 20k/year they scammed seems like it wouldn't of changed their life muCH.


Seriously, wouldn't the effort of applying for assistance be more trouble that it's worth if you've already got plenty of dough?
2014-03-23 12:49:39 PM
1 votes:
What do you bet that yacht was their getaway vehicle, and they're living comfortably on an island in the Caribbean now?  They seem smarter than your average crooks.

Don't bother wasting more money looking for them, just fine them every penny they have or could ever hope to make if they ever show back up in the US.  Leave them homeless on the street, ban them from collecting any more benefits for life, don't let them declare bankruptcy, and let them eat out of dumpsters.
2014-03-23 12:48:22 PM
1 votes:
Hot on the heels of the article about CEOs being the highest percentage of psychopaths.
2014-03-23 12:46:49 PM
1 votes:

PanicMan: Lucky LaRue: This is just another example of right-wing dog whistling. People don't take advantage of the welfare system.

Colin Chisholm was the chief executive officer of a satellite television and broadband services company, his wife bred and sold championship dogs, and over a seven-year period the couple deposited more than $2.6 million in bank accounts they did not report on applications for welfare benefits, according to the complaint.


Sounds a lot like the time Ann Romney got taxpayer money because she owned a show horse.

static4.businessinsider.com
2014-03-23 12:45:23 PM
1 votes:

Sniffers Row: The "Public Assistance" (can't call it welfare, you might hurt feelings)


Probabaly because the word "welfare" has been used like a blunt instrument to demean people and is used as a catch-all description of any form of public aid the elites want abolished.

Besides, the average Fox news watcher can't spell "assistance", so they call it "welfare".
2014-03-23 12:44:15 PM
1 votes:
Confiscate their wealth and property, blacklist them from employment or travel, and don't allow them to ever collect public assistance again. They'll get by. The husband can shine shoes, and the wife can be a whore.
2014-03-23 12:42:27 PM
1 votes:
Obviously the solution is to disband all forms of pubic assistance, even to those who clearly need it.

Amidoinitrite, Fox News?

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2014-03-23 12:35:26 PM
1 votes:
They need to be made an example of.
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-03-23 11:19:15 AM
1 votes:
It's all those black single mothers who are too lazy to work.  See here's what one looks like:

img.fark.net
2014-03-23 11:01:16 AM
1 votes:
"They know by now we are looking for them."

You should probably try looking on the yacht.
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-03-23 10:58:22 AM
1 votes:
Colin Chisholm was the chief executive officer of a satellite television and broadband services company

Somehow this doesn't seem that surprising.
2014-03-23 10:20:41 AM
1 votes:
The "Public Assistance" (can't call it welfare, you might hurt feelings), programs in Minnesota are so farked. There has been a rampant abuse problem. People using their prepaid cards for smokes, alcohol, making ATM withdraws,  tattoos... A local news station here did a huge investigation, and county/state officials were all "DERP, we didn't think that the prepaid cards would be abused"

Now getting on the dole is just as easy for some. Be a single mom, have a utility bill in your name showing residence? Here's your benefits! The Megabus that runs between Minneapolis-Milwaukee-Chicago has been nicknamed Moneybus as it's used in some communities as a "commuter line" for people to travel back to MN for a weekend to re-qualify for benefits they shouldn't be getting.
2014-03-23 09:37:52 AM
1 votes:

doglover: Just shoot 'em. Somewhere in the guts. And leave 'em adrift on the boat.


I don't know.  The boat sounds kind of nice.  We should give that to Minnesota or Florida and see if they can sell if off and maybe drop a few bucks back in the state coffers to offset these morons duping them.  Maybe we can just gutshot them and when they finally bleed out, that'll be the timer on when the Ebay bids are closed for the SS Florisota.
 
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