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2014-03-23 12:58:25 PM

Sniffers Row: The "Public Assistance" (can't call it welfare, you might hurt feelings), programs in Minnesota are so farked. There has been a rampant abuse problem.....


Liar.
 
2014-03-23 01:00:24 PM
Turfshoe,
Sounds like more than just welfare fraud here, but welfare fraud sounds like the easiest thing to prove and prosecute.


This. It sounds like they could be professional grifters.
Link

\It would be an interesting reality series.
\\Don't forget the opulent $30,000 lexus. It must be harder to grift a car dealer.
 
2014-03-23 01:01:44 PM
These two, while smart, don't seem the type to avoid detection.  I wonder just how fast the /b/tards could uncover current info on these two.

Not that I would ever know anything about how to do such a thing. Ever.
 
2014-03-23 01:04:15 PM
DarkVader ,
What do you bet that yacht was their getaway vehicle, and they're living comfortably on an island in the Caribbean now? They seem smarter than your average crooks.


Nope....but I would bet that they do have an exit strategy.
n 2005, the U.S. Coast Guard seized the yacht, renamed the Amanda Aras, due to missed payments. That just pushed the couple to move inland, finding a home in a seaside community about 30 miles south of Palm Beach, authorities say.
They then engaged in a long legal battle to get their yacht back. At one point, Colin Chisholm told the judge he lived in Greenwich, Conn., an address investigators later determined was a UPS store. In the judge's ruling on the lawsuit, he said that he found Chisholm's testimony "at best evasive and at worst perjurious."
 
2014-03-23 01:04:54 PM

North_Central_Positronics: grokca: North_Central_Positronics: A $30,000 Lexus?   What, was it missing an engine or something?

They were on welfare, they can't afford an engine in their car.

I bet they had a refrigerator, though.


They couldn't afford the engine for the Lexus because they had to spend all their food stamps on lobster and steak.
 
2014-03-23 01:07:07 PM
I guess they shouldn't go around expecting any reciprocation for the luxury taxes they've undoubtably have had to pay over the years.
 
2014-03-23 01:08:03 PM

Sniffers Row: The "Public Assistance" (can't call it welfare, you might hurt feelings), programs in Minnesota are so farked. There has been a rampant abuse problem. People using their prepaid cards for smokes, alcohol, making ATM withdraws,  tattoos... A local news station here did a huge investigation, and county/state officials were all "DERP, we didn't think that the prepaid cards would be abused"

Now getting on the dole is just as easy for some. Be a single mom, have a utility bill in your name showing residence? Here's your benefits! The Megabus that runs between Minneapolis-Milwaukee-Chicago has been nicknamed Moneybus as it's used in some communities as a "commuter line" for people to travel back to MN for a weekend to re-qualify for benefits they shouldn't be getting.


Stuff like this is why everybody should just get a base standard of living check every month. Who cares if people poorer than you want tattoos or cigarettes? They will find out very quickly that they can't eat their xboxes and malt liquor won't sustain them, but until then, the rest of us will be free to stop being busybodies about what "the poors" are choosing to spend their money on.
 
2014-03-23 01:08:49 PM
I really don't see the problem here. These weren't trailer trash, or Mexicans or Blacks. These were White, middle class consumers. They were spending large amounts in their local economies. They were salt of the earth type people. They probably got in a little over their heads; you know, overspent a little. It can happen. Now they are being demonized as fraudsters or worse! I can't believe the vindictive prosecutors in Minnesota are going after these innocent, good-hearted people. Oh, the injustice! Where will it all end?
 
2014-03-23 01:09:12 PM

doglover: Just shoot 'em. Somewhere in the guts. And leave 'em adrift on the boat.


I don't want our imperfect legal system determining such things, but if the accusations are true it would be nice if they were somehow violently killed.
 
2014-03-23 01:09:15 PM
Oh Minnesota, why are you punishing the job-creators???
  
//I am Charles Koch and I approved this message
 
2014-03-23 01:09:20 PM

DubyaHater: In fact, let's just send them wads of cash in the mail.


Well, why not? It would certainly cut down on the instances of busybodies pretending that poor people are somehow spending "their" (the busybody's, that is) money on stuff that they don't specifically approve of.
 
2014-03-23 01:11:57 PM

Mirandized: I really don't see the problem here. These weren't trailer trash, or Mexicans or Blacks. These were White, middle class consumers. They were spending large amounts in their local economies. They were salt of the earth type people. They probably got in a little over their heads; you know, overspent a little. It can happen. Now they are being demonized as fraudsters or worse! I can't believe the vindictive prosecutors in Minnesota are going after these innocent, good-hearted people. Oh, the injustice! Where will it all end?


If some had their way, apparently in a death sentence.
 
2014-03-23 01:13:30 PM

Lucky LaRue: This is just another example of right-wing dog whistling. People don't take advantage of the welfare system.


Methinks thar be trolls aboot.
 
2014-03-23 01:14:21 PM

Turfshoe: One of the comments to the article adds quite a bit of detail. I didn't get to fact check it, but it is interesting.

From the comments:

Reading more, it sounds like there is much more to this story and it's more than welfare cheats. This story skips over some details. They signed papers for the $1.2 million dollar yacht in 2005 and lived on it for 28 months. Based on the documents from the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals, the 28 months seems to be how long it took for the guy who sold it to them to get it back because they didn't make payments on it. March 2008, they moved into a luxury home in Minnesota and were evicted in under a year. Feb 2009, they moved into another luxury home. Reading between the lines, sounds like it may have been purchased, possibly improperly, with the funds of her grandmother.

The maximum sentence for what they are charged with is 20 years Authorities have been looking for them for a month now though they believe they have fled the country. The website for the company he is CEO of is just BS fluff that could be put together in a few hours even though the complaint references it provided him with $1 million dollars in deposits for satellite services to the Carribbean. The other $2.6 million in deposits may have came from her breeding business where amounts are subjective. Sounds like more than just welfare fraud here, but welfare fraud sounds like the easiest thing to prove and prosecute.


Thanks for the info. Seriously.
 
2014-03-23 01:18:32 PM

SovietCanuckistan: If your name ends in "The Third", you probably do not need any more money.


I always find that strange to hear. My older brother was a third and we grew up middle class at best. Meaning never hungry but a hell of a lot of beans and rice and second hand clothes and suchlike.
 
2014-03-23 01:19:01 PM
Why are you shaming the people on assistance? They can spend their money any way they want, tats, strippers, yachts. It's barely any of your tax money going to them and we waste money on other things.
 
2014-03-23 01:21:28 PM

Kevin Lomax: Why are you shaming the people on assistance? They can spend their money any way they want, tats, strippers, yachts. It's barely any of your tax money going to them and we waste money on other things.


Ugh. I wish our trolls could come up with better stuff. This wasn't even a new lie ten years ago.
 
2014-03-23 01:22:33 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Obviously, this is proof we need to outlaw public assistance to black people.


Precisely. I love how winners like Lucky and DubyaHater think that some long time white collar con artist acting like a con proves that negroes buy scrimps.
 
2014-03-23 01:22:46 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: DubyaHater: In fact, let's just send them wads of cash in the mail.

Well, why not? It would certainly cut down on the instances of busybodies pretending that poor people are somehow spending "their" (the busybody's, that is) money on stuff that they don't specifically approve of.


The notion that people whose money is taken from them by force should have no opinion on how it is used is just bizarre.
 
2014-03-23 01:25:04 PM

Mirandized: I really don't see the problem here. These weren't trailer trash, or Mexicans or Blacks. These were White, middle class consumers. They were spending large amounts in their local economies. They were salt of the earth type people. They probably got in a little over their heads; you know, overspent a little. It can happen. Now they are being demonized as fraudsters or worse! I can't believe the vindictive prosecutors in Minnesota are going after these innocent, good-hearted people. Oh, the injustice! Where will it all end?


White people don't have welfare. White people have unemployment assistance (which they have paid into) and TANF/SNAP. But it's not welfare because that's not the image we are trying to conjure when we say welfare.
 
2014-03-23 01:27:22 PM

Sniffers Row: The "Public Assistance" (can't call it welfare, you might hurt feelings), programs in Minnesota are so farked. There has been a rampant abuse problem. People using their prepaid cards for smokes, alcohol, making ATM withdraws,  tattoos... A local news station here did a huge investigation, and county/state officials were all "DERP, we didn't think that the prepaid cards would be abused"

Now getting on the dole is just as easy for some. Be a single mom, have a utility bill in your name showing residence? Here's your benefits! The Megabus that runs between Minneapolis-Milwaukee-Chicago has been nicknamed Moneybus as it's used in some communities as a "commuter line" for people to travel back to MN for a weekend to re-qualify for benefits they shouldn't be getting.


Up here, in Soviet Canuckistan, we issue welfare cheques and treat them like adults and let people do what they want it.

Why do you care if they use it for smokes?
 
2014-03-23 01:30:10 PM

notatrollorami: The My Little Pony Killer: DubyaHater: In fact, let's just send them wads of cash in the mail.

Well, why not? It would certainly cut down on the instances of busybodies pretending that poor people are somehow spending "their" (the busybody's, that is) money on stuff that they don't specifically approve of.

The notion that people whose money is taken from them by force should have no opinion on how it is used is just bizarre.


It's odd that this opinion only seems to extend towards the food that poors buy. Nobody ever demands to review the doggie bag quality in the park. Or what kind of office supplies the city planning department uses.

Hell, I have never seen a single person on the Internet or in person demand to see their local police department purchasing card records to see how cops spend taxpayer money when on duty (they buy crap from fast food places and gas stations quite often). All of those places use taxpayer money.

But for poor people it's different. They need to be micromanaged.
 
2014-03-23 01:31:27 PM

Flab: Sniffers Row: The "Public Assistance" (can't call it welfare, you might hurt feelings), programs in Minnesota are so farked. There has been a rampant abuse problem. People using their prepaid cards for smokes, alcohol, making ATM withdraws,  tattoos... A local news station here did a huge investigation, and county/state officials were all "DERP, we didn't think that the prepaid cards would be abused"

Now getting on the dole is just as easy for some. Be a single mom, have a utility bill in your name showing residence? Here's your benefits! The Megabus that runs between Minneapolis-Milwaukee-Chicago has been nicknamed Moneybus as it's used in some communities as a "commuter line" for people to travel back to MN for a weekend to re-qualify for benefits they shouldn't be getting.

Up here, in Soviet Canuckistan, we issue welfare cheques and treat them like adults and let people do what they want it.

Why do you care if they use it for smokes?


Freaking out about poor people having a few minutes out of misery is an American past time. It's like baseball.
 
2014-03-23 01:39:27 PM
Eh. They're tax evaders that used the fact that they report little or no income, have blank W-2s and extremely low gross numbers on the 1040 to apply for benefits.

Unfortunately, there's probably some obscure law that prevents putting a bullet to them and selling their stuff.
 
2014-03-23 01:40:45 PM

BSABSVR: Flab: Sniffers Row: The "Public Assistance" (can't call it welfare, you might hurt feelings), programs in Minnesota are so farked. There has been a rampant abuse problem. People using their prepaid cards for smokes, alcohol, making ATM withdraws,  tattoos... A local news station here did a huge investigation, and county/state officials were all "DERP, we didn't think that the prepaid cards would be abused"

Now getting on the dole is just as easy for some. Be a single mom, have a utility bill in your name showing residence? Here's your benefits! The Megabus that runs between Minneapolis-Milwaukee-Chicago has been nicknamed Moneybus as it's used in some communities as a "commuter line" for people to travel back to MN for a weekend to re-qualify for benefits they shouldn't be getting.

Up here, in Soviet Canuckistan, we issue welfare cheques and treat them like adults and let people do what they want it.

Why do you care if they use it for smokes?

Freaking out about poor people having a few minutes out of misery is an American past time. It's like baseball.


Hell must be maintained on Earth, as it is in Hell
 
2014-03-23 01:42:33 PM

notatrollorami: The My Little Pony Killer: DubyaHater: In fact, let's just send them wads of cash in the mail.

Well, why not? It would certainly cut down on the instances of busybodies pretending that poor people are somehow spending "their" (the busybody's, that is) money on stuff that they don't specifically approve of.

The notion that people whose money is taken from them by force should have no opinion on how it is used is just bizarre.


You mean like how Walmart takes my tax money to subsidize their profits by  making their employees receive public assistance?
 
2014-03-23 01:43:08 PM

notatrollorami: The My Little Pony Killer: DubyaHater: In fact, let's just send them wads of cash in the mail.

Well, why not? It would certainly cut down on the instances of busybodies pretending that poor people are somehow spending "their" (the busybody's, that is) money on stuff that they don't specifically approve of.

The notion that people whose money is taken from them by force should have no opinion on how it is used is just bizarre.


Well fine then! Let's ALL have a say in how our tax money is spent.

I propose an end to the (Carl Sagan Voice ON) billions and billions (Carl Sagan Voice OFF) that are flushed to the Pentagon without question every year for stealth toilets and Generals' private gold courses.
 
2014-03-23 01:45:32 PM

Krymson Tyde: notatrollorami: The My Little Pony Killer: DubyaHater: In fact, let's just send them wads of cash in the mail.

Well, why not? It would certainly cut down on the instances of busybodies pretending that poor people are somehow spending "their" (the busybody's, that is) money on stuff that they don't specifically approve of.

The notion that people whose money is taken from them by force should have no opinion on how it is used is just bizarre.

You mean like how Walmart takes my tax money to subsidize their profits by  making their employees receive public assistance?


Your response is better than mine. I'll admit it.
 
2014-03-23 01:46:30 PM
A 30k Lexus? Was it used? I got my wife  a Camry XE, not the low end ones, and it was 28k. I'm thinking these writers are Internet smart, not real smart.
 
2014-03-23 01:51:21 PM

DubyaHater: And yet, just yesterday, Farkers were denouncing tighter controls on Welfare. Yes, welfare recipients are all 100% upstanding, honest citizens and do not need restraints. In fact, let's just send them wads of cash in the mail. Dump the EBT card and skip the middle man.


You would save the middle man's fee.

Why does JPMC need to take a slice of welfare benefits?
 
2014-03-23 01:55:16 PM

Mentat: 99.4% of welfare recipients own a yacht.


www.hueylewisandthenews.com
 
2014-03-23 01:59:00 PM
That's seriously Farked-up. That works out to about just under 2000 a month. Who the hell gets 2k a month in assistance?
I thought it was down around 600.00. (I really don't know.)
 
2014-03-23 02:01:55 PM

Mirandized: I really don't see the problem here. These weren't trailer trash, or Mexicans or Blacks. These were White, middle class consumers. They were spending large amounts in their local economies. They were salt of the earth type people. They probably got in a little over their heads; you know, overspent a little. It can happen. Now they are being demonized as fraudsters or worse! I can't believe the vindictive prosecutors in Minnesota are going after these innocent, good-hearted people. Oh, the injustice! Where will it all end?


If you're ordinary and love salt... I've got just the spot for you: New York's hottest holiday club is: BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
 
2014-03-23 02:07:03 PM

Beaver1224: Lucky LaRue: This is just another example of right-wing dog whistling. People don't take advantage of the welfare system.

See, here's the deal.  These people are assholes, and fraudsters.  Yes, there are people that take advantage of the welfare system.  Do you know why there is a news story when they are uncovered?  Because it's news.

Do you know why there isn't a news story when someone is found to be utilizing the welfare system properly?  Because it's so common, it's not news.

/b-b-b-but Derp!


Actually, it would be a compelling informational news story if, during a time when people were accusing the welfare system of being filled with corruption, someone did an investigatory piece.  It's called covering the facts, I know that a number of folks have grown up in a time where the media hasn't done this, but they used to, and it's what they should aspire to do.
 
2014-03-23 02:09:07 PM

North_Central_Positronics: A $30,000 Lexus?   What, was it missing an engine or something?


I wonder if it had big spinning rims and curb feelers.
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2014-03-23 02:11:46 PM

Mentat: 99.4% of welfare recipients own a yacht.


Literally every single welfare recipient I've read about today has owned a seven-figure yacht and luxury homes in multiple states. WAKE UP, AMERICA.
 
2014-03-23 02:12:54 PM

BSABSVR: Precisely. I love how winners like Lucky and DubyaHater think that some long time white collar con artist acting like a con proves that negroes buy scrimps.


Don't forget lobster.
 
2014-03-23 02:16:56 PM

m00: To be serious, this is what I can't stand about Republicans.

If you want to "end welfare" fine. No corporate welfare to companies like GE. No welfare to wall street. No welfare to the wealthy in the form of generous tax loopholes. No welfare to energy companies, and resource extraction companies. No protected markets. No farm bill. No using our military to aid business interests in foreign countries. Then by all means advocate also ending food stamps and welfare for poor people.

What seriously irritates me is that Republicans only advocate ending assistance to low income people who need it. But billion dollar corporations? Wealthy CEOs? They get to keep their welfare.

I guess we know who has lobbyists and makes campaign contributions. Because that's what this is about. It's about taxing the poor and middle class and giving to wholly to the rich, because rich people pay for political campaigns.

So Republicans: spare me your outrage about poor people gaming public assistance, because this only "outrages" you because they buy refrigerators with the money rather than politicians.


If some of you got out of your echo chamber, you would know that corporate welfare is a big issue amongst conservatives.  I will grant many Republican (but certainly not all) just like many Democrats support corporate welfare.  If your #1 priority in government was to stop corporate welfare, you'd vote for Tea Party candidates.

As for the cretins in TFA, it seems they fraudsters all around as they yacht they never made payments on the yacht they were living in either.
 
2014-03-23 02:17:33 PM
How come I can't pull off anything like this? Guess I don't make enough to start with. You know the saying, it takes money to make money.
 
2014-03-23 02:19:56 PM
Hangin' too good for them.
 
2014-03-23 02:19:57 PM

Beaver1224: Lucky LaRue: This is just another example of right-wing dog whistling. People don't take advantage of the welfare system.

See, here's the deal.  These people are assholes, and fraudsters.  Yes, there are people that take advantage of the welfare system.  Do you know why there is a news story when they are uncovered?  Because it's news.

Do you know why there isn't a news story when someone is found to be utilizing the welfare system properly?  Because it's so common, it's not news.

/b-b-b-but Derp!


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pla
2014-03-23 02:30:21 PM
m00 : What seriously irritates me is that Republicans only advocate ending assistance to low income people who need it. But billion dollar corporations? Wealthy CEOs? They get to keep their welfare.

You realize that in order to properly misuse a strawman argument, you need to base it off a trivially true assertion, right? It doesn't work the other way around.

If you ask a hundred Republicans if we should subsidize Big Oil, you'll get 99 saying "HELL no!", and one excusing himself to attend a BP board meeting. You have made the mistake of conflating our "faithless elected" (aka "all of them") for the party they claim to represent.

But don't let that stand in the way of some good graaar. Carry on.

As an aside - Does no one else suspect the circumstances described in TFA as a classic Joe Job? I realize people get greedy, but seriously? They just happened to apply for welfare benefits around the same time they bought a yacht and moved out of state? Can you say "gardener/neighbor noticed he had access to their mailbox"?

/ Not a republican.
 
2014-03-23 02:34:20 PM

NickelP: What is the point of that? The 20k/year they scammed seems like it wouldn't of changed their life muCH.


Maybe it covered some of their docking fees?
 
2014-03-23 02:38:27 PM

TV's Vinnie: Obviously the solution is to disband all forms of pubic assistance, even to those who clearly need it.

Amidoinitrite, Fox News?


The problem is, according to the rules and regulations in place at the time, enforced by those whose job it is to do so, these people did 'need it', else they would not have gotten the assistance.

In other words, the System is broken. So, what's your solution? Keep using the broken system? Or scrap it and come up with a better one?
 
2014-03-23 02:40:10 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Stuff like this is why everybody should just get a base standard of living check every month.


Um, I'm all for 'free money', but who's going to pay for this?
 
2014-03-23 02:44:25 PM

thornhill: Let me beat Fox News to the punch: This is evidence that all people abuse the food stamp program, so let's get rid of it.


You are all law abiding welfare recipients... until you're not. Until the number of frauds is zero, we aren't doing enough. Every dollar stolen is a dollar that could have helped the children. Surely you will forfeit some of your outdated rights so we can fix this problem, and save the children.
 
2014-03-23 02:50:18 PM

Lucky LaRue: This is just another example of right-wing dog whistling. People don't take advantage of the welfare system.


Yes they do. And so what.
 
2014-03-23 02:51:14 PM

Doctor Funkenstein: doglover: Just shoot 'em. Somewhere in the guts. And leave 'em adrift on the boat.

I don't know.  The boat sounds kind of nice.  We should give that to Minnesota or Florida and see if they can sell if off and maybe drop a few bucks back in the state coffers to offset these morons duping them.  Maybe we can just gutshot them and when they finally bleed out, that'll be the timer on when the Ebay bids are closed for the SS Florisota.


The state wouldn't want it. Nothing depreciates faster than a yacht - and this is a 1963 model. Ships like the one they live on are advertized in the $300K range excellent condition, And those ships you can actually, well, sail. A lot of times a boat that's spent years in the marina needs so much maintenance the cost is more than the ship is worth. You can buy a boat that might have cost half a mil new for a couple grand sometimes. You'll never be able to afford to sail it, but a couple grand down and a few hundred a month for dock fees - you're one step above an old motor home - with a blown engine. Cheaper than a house. Now, if they lived in a brand new yacht it would be a different story. Google this ship, I found one link that said it wasn't running in '05 - I doubt it's running today. A lot of people live on these non-running ships, they aren't rich.
 
2014-03-23 02:59:52 PM

fredklein: TV's Vinnie: Obviously the solution is to disband all forms of pubic assistance, even to those who clearly need it.

Amidoinitrite, Fox News?

The problem is, according to the rules and regulations in place at the time, enforced by those whose job it is to do so, these people did 'need it', else they would not have gotten the assistance.

In other words, the System is broken. So, what's your solution? Keep using the broken system? Or scrap it and come up with a better one?


The gop solution: scrap it and come up with a better one?
 
2014-03-23 03:08:08 PM

pla: If you ask a hundred Republicans if we should subsidize Big Oil, you'll get 99 saying "HELL no!", and one excusing himself to attend a BP board meeting. You have made the mistake of conflating our "faithless elected" (aka "all of them") for the party they claim to represent.


Bull.  shiat.

CivicMindedFive: If some of you got out of your echo chamber, you would know that corporate welfare is a big issue amongst conservatives.  I will grant many Republican (but certainly not all) just like many Democrats support corporate welfare.  If your #1 priority in government was to stop corporate welfare, you'd vote for Tea Party candidates.


Bull.  shiat.

They have NO problem giving money to the "job creators," otherwise they might get offended and all move to other countries.
 
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