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(KMOV St. Louis)   Mother rushes to her special needs sons school to comfort him after he has a panic attack. Resulting in a lockdown and the mother arrested because? A) She had drugs on her, B) A teacher has a restraining order against her, or C) She didn't sign in   (kmov.com) divider line 223
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2014-03-23 10:33:55 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Eve L. Koont: thurstonxhowell: Eve L. Koont: ^Agree 100%. When you have to quote from the interwebs just stfu instead.

The only reason for your post to exist is a "quote from the interwebs". You added nothing of value to it.

But playing internet doctor and acting as if you know all from reading a few pages of text and think of yourself as some hot shiat expert does what? On fark it makes you fit in well apparently.

Everyone expressing a medical opinion is playing doctor.

The question is, why would you prefer the online play doctor who DOESN'T EVEN have a few pages of text on their side?

Sugar water cured my AIDs.....trust me, I'm not quoting any sources, so you know I'm legit!


There's a difference in giving your opinion but then acting as if your opinion is the end all. And no, quoting from text does not make you even remotely qualified to say that panic attacks are never a medical emergency.

Why go to a doctor when I can get some guy with a big ego to diagnose me over fark?? He read webMD and Wikipedia so he's got to be an expert, right?

STFU.
 
2014-03-23 10:36:43 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: So, being 'buzzed in' did NOT mean they knew the person. Just that the person was not an immediate, obvious threat. And nothing stopped someone who was buzzed in from running down the hallway without going into the office first. The receptionist/office worker just had a crappy old camera and a button to unlock the door. If they let someone in and saw them run down the hall, they are supposed to call the police. Most schools are made up of lots of employees. It almost certainly wasn't the lady at the desk who called her.

Imagine you work at a school. Part of your job is to let in visitors. If you let someone in and they don't immediately follow the signs and come up to you, you are SUPPOSED to call the police and start the lock-down. Because it could be a crazy person.


The scenario:

BZZZTT!
[click]"Yes, can I help you?"
"Yes, I'm Mrs. Jones. You called me about my son having a problem"
"Hey Betty, did you call Mrs. Jones about her kid?" "Yeah" [Click] Come on in, Mrs. Jones"
"Hey, Betty- there goes Mrs Jones, who you called about her kid, walking right past the office and not signing in"

Now you have a choice:
A) "She's probably just concerned about her kid and forgot to sign in. I'll remind her as she leaves."
or
B) OH, NOES! RED ALERT!!! A parent (who we called to come here) has not signed in!! Call the cops!!!!12!!


The point is, THEY CALLED HER. They knew who she was (I'm assuming they actually ask "What do you want?" before hitting the buzzer, otherwise- if they buzz in every person to reach the door- what's the point?) So they knew she was responding to their call. They knew she wasn't "a crazy person" or a 'random stranger with guns' or whatever other worst-case fantasy scenario people come up with. Hell, the teachers recognized her! So the 'it was for security to keep out dangerous strangers' excuse is BS.
 
2014-03-23 10:38:21 AM  

fredklein: Abox: I was talking about folks who don't follow rules.

So... you NEVER speed?
So, you have NEVER littered?
So, you have NEVER broken ANY rule in your life?

/then cast the fist stone, by all means.


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2014-03-23 10:38:51 AM  

Pichu0102: Another one is someone in the office hates the kid and is trying to get them to leave by getting the parent arrested and having CPS take away the child or just force the family to move to get away from that school.


I think you are on to something there
 
2014-03-23 10:43:08 AM  

Eve L. Koont: Fark_Guy_Rob: Eve L. Koont: thurstonxhowell: Eve L. Koont: ^Agree 100%. When you have to quote from the interwebs just stfu instead.

The only reason for your post to exist is a "quote from the interwebs". You added nothing of value to it.

But playing internet doctor and acting as if you know all from reading a few pages of text and think of yourself as some hot shiat expert does what? On fark it makes you fit in well apparently.

Everyone expressing a medical opinion is playing doctor.

The question is, why would you prefer the online play doctor who DOESN'T EVEN have a few pages of text on their side?

Sugar water cured my AIDs.....trust me, I'm not quoting any sources, so you know I'm legit!

There's a difference in giving your opinion but then acting as if your opinion is the end all. And no, quoting from text does not make you even remotely qualified to say that panic attacks are never a medical emergency.

Why go to a doctor when I can get some guy with a big ego to diagnose me over fark?? He read webMD and Wikipedia so he's got to be an expert, right?

STFU.


I agree - quoting text does not make me remotely qualified to say that panic attacks are not generally considered medical emergencies.  But, the people at the Mayo Clinic who wrote the text, certainly they are qualified to do so.

It's not *my* opinion verse someone else's opinion.  It's the Mayo Clinic verse someone on Fark.  That doesn't mean the Farker is wrong, but it strongly suggests it.

But - aren't you doing the exact same thing?  I made a claim, RockOfAges disagreed with me.  We argued a bit and I suspect neither of us have changed our minds.  But both of us pretty clearly acted as if our opinions were the end-all of the conversation.  The only difference is I backed mine with the folks at the Mayo Clinic.  You chime in that quoting stuff is stupid, and now you are expressing your opinion and telling me to STFU.

You can't tell me you aren't acting like your opinion 'is the end all'.

You are a hypocrite.
RockOfAges is wrong.
And I'm a douche bag who enjoys arguing on the internet.  But at least I'm right.
 
2014-03-23 10:46:54 AM  
I actually went to that school for a year and a half in the 70s before my parents decided that private schooling was worth the money to not have to deal with that school's administration.

The school playground used to be on asphalt and I have the scars to prove it.
 
2014-03-23 10:47:21 AM  

GBB: If a parent comes into the school and doesn't sign in, then it's the administrator's word against the parent's on whether or not they were actually there. Bending the rules for her means bending the rules for every parent and that's when mistakes happen and a jealous or vindictive ex-husband/wife ends up kidnapping their own child against court orders.


Did the school CALL the "vindictive ex-husband/wife" and tell them to get the kid?

Then the two scenarios are not comparable.

Because the school CALLED her about her son panicking. Since THEY called HER, they shouldn't freak out when she shows up and go all "Oh noes, someones here!!1!!" when she walks in the door.

Now, if she had shown up WITHOUT being called, and got into the school by means other than being correctly buzzed in, then, by all means, arrest her.
 
2014-03-23 10:47:52 AM  
When did this community become so gung ho about petty rules and busybodies?
 
2014-03-23 10:50:51 AM  

Big_Doofus: The only point I'm trying to make is there are generally several sides to every story. We have only heard one here.


...and what we've heard fits right in with the direction this country is going*. So why doubt it?

*down the toilet, specifically.
 
2014-03-23 10:53:35 AM  
Nope, I didn't quote anything but point out how ridiculous it is act like you're an expert because you read something on the internet and you stuck to it pretty damn hard. Just stop playing internet doctor.

You haven't been right about anything, yet.
 
2014-03-23 10:54:23 AM  
I also like how "we've only heard one side of the story" means we must only believe the exact opposite of that one side.
 
2014-03-23 11:02:42 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Eve L. Koont: Fark_Guy_Rob: Eve L. Koont: thurstonxhowell: Eve L. Koont: ^Agree 100%. When you have to quote from the interwebs just stfu instead.

The only reason for your post to exist is a "quote from the interwebs". You added nothing of value to it.

But playing internet doctor and acting as if you know all from reading a few pages of text and think of yourself as some hot shiat expert does what? On fark it makes you fit in well apparently.

Everyone expressing a medical opinion is playing doctor.

The question is, why would you prefer the online play doctor who DOESN'T EVEN have a few pages of text on their side?

Sugar water cured my AIDs.....trust me, I'm not quoting any sources, so you know I'm legit!

There's a difference in giving your opinion but then acting as if your opinion is the end all. And no, quoting from text does not make you even remotely qualified to say that panic attacks are never a medical emergency.

Why go to a doctor when I can get some guy with a big ego to diagnose me over fark?? He read webMD and Wikipedia so he's got to be an expert, right?

STFU.

I agree - quoting text does not make me remotely qualified to say that panic attacks are not generally considered medical emergencies.  But, the people at the Mayo Clinic who wrote the text, certainly they are qualified to do so.

It's not *my* opinion verse someone else's opinion.  It's the Mayo Clinic verse someone on Fark.  That doesn't mean the Farker is wrong, but it strongly suggests it.

But - aren't you doing the exact same thing?  I made a claim, RockOfAges disagreed with me.  We argued a bit and I suspect neither of us have changed our minds.  But both of us pretty clearly acted as if our opinions were the end-all of the conversation.  The only difference is I backed mine with the folks at the Mayo Clinic.  You chime in that quoting stuff is stupid, and now you are expressing your opinion and telling me to STFU.

You can't tell me you aren't acting like your opinion 'is the end all'.

You are a hypocrite.
RockOfAges is wrong.
And I'm a douche bag who enjoys arguing on the internet.  But at least I'm right.


Hey, hey, hey. He IS a godparent so you should just stfu and take all yer book knowledge and interweb links and get out.
 
2014-03-23 11:03:04 AM  
"Form up in column.  One step to the left or right out of column will be treated as an attempt to escape.  Offenders will be shot without warning."

--customary warning given by guards in the Soviet gulag camps to work detail groups
 
2014-03-23 11:07:34 AM  

JustMatt: Fark_Guy_Rob: Eve L. Koont: Fark_Guy_Rob: Eve L. Koont: thurstonxhowell: Eve L. Koont: ^Agree 100%. When you have to quote from the interwebs just stfu instead.

The only reason for your post to exist is a "quote from the interwebs". You added nothing of value to it.

But playing internet doctor and acting as if you know all from reading a few pages of text and think of yourself as some hot shiat expert does what? On fark it makes you fit in well apparently.

Everyone expressing a medical opinion is playing doctor.

The question is, why would you prefer the online play doctor who DOESN'T EVEN have a few pages of text on their side?

Sugar water cured my AIDs.....trust me, I'm not quoting any sources, so you know I'm legit!

There's a difference in giving your opinion but then acting as if your opinion is the end all. And no, quoting from text does not make you even remotely qualified to say that panic attacks are never a medical emergency.

Why go to a doctor when I can get some guy with a big ego to diagnose me over fark?? He read webMD and Wikipedia so he's got to be an expert, right?

STFU.

I agree - quoting text does not make me remotely qualified to say that panic attacks are not generally considered medical emergencies.  But, the people at the Mayo Clinic who wrote the text, certainly they are qualified to do so.

It's not *my* opinion verse someone else's opinion.  It's the Mayo Clinic verse someone on Fark.  That doesn't mean the Farker is wrong, but it strongly suggests it.

But - aren't you doing the exact same thing?  I made a claim, RockOfAges disagreed with me.  We argued a bit and I suspect neither of us have changed our minds.  But both of us pretty clearly acted as if our opinions were the end-all of the conversation.  The only difference is I backed mine with the folks at the Mayo Clinic.  You chime in that quoting stuff is stupid, and now you are expressing your opinion and telling me to STFU.

You can't tell me you aren't acting like your opinion 'is the end all'.

You are a hypocrite.
RockOfAges is wrong.
And I'm a douche bag who enjoys arguing on the internet.  But at least I'm right.

Hey, hey, hey. He IS a godparent so you should just stfu and take all yer book knowledge and interweb links and get out.


Heh heh
 
2014-03-23 11:09:06 AM  

Eve L. Koont: How the fark does signing a book keep kids safe AFTER the person is buzzed in?? Do they check ID or something before they buzz a person in??


Thank you. Especially since they already know her by sight. Even with her possible history what the hell is signing going to do?
 
2014-03-23 11:16:44 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Eve L. Koont: Fark_Guy_Rob: Eve L. Koont: thurstonxhowell: Eve L. Koont: ^Agree 100%. When you have to quote from the interwebs just stfu instead.

The only reason for your post to exist is a "quote from the interwebs". You added nothing of value to it.

But playing internet doctor and acting as if you know all from reading a few pages of text and think of yourself as some hot shiat expert does what? On fark it makes you fit in well apparently.



You've been caught with your pants down and you should either admit it or walk away.

Panic attack is a real medical thing with real medical symptoms.  It not just "somebody watched a scary movie and they're freaking out".
 
2014-03-23 11:22:14 AM  

snocone: thurstonxhowell: skwerl: The overwhelming majority of 'school shootings' in the last 2 decades are a direct result of school security rules and regulations in place.

Asking people to sign in directly results in people shooting children. Got it. Makes perfect sense.

Signing in requires signing out.
Start and end times must be a real treat at this school.
MATH: sign in/out = 5 sec/kid...say 500 kids and teachers,,, hmm, over 5 hours for in/out. Gidgetty.

Cunning plans are the best plans.


What they could do, and this is crazy, so hear me out on this, is have the teachers take attendance. Then, they could just assume that any child who was there at the start of the day was there either until signed out or the end of the day. They could enforce this through a system of "locks" and "adult supervision". Pretty draconian, but it just might work.
 
2014-03-23 11:24:45 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Close2TheEdge: GBB: skwerl: Zero tolerance. Follow the rules, citizen.

Yup.  And when a school administrator makes a minor error, there is zero tolerance against them by parents, too.

Funny how that works.

That's just it.  The school administrator was following procedure correctly.  Do the need to apologize?  No.  Should they?  Yes, because there is no way they can win the PR shiatstorm this will generate.

When you explain away bad behavior because it's become established "procedure", you really need to reevaluate your moral compass.


What I'm saying is there is the "letter of the law" and there is the "spirit of the law."  The school had an established check-in policy that I assume has been communicated to parents.  Just like it is done with my kid's school.  The mother apparently violated that policy and the school administrator responded.  Do you really think parents would be willing to let the school off the hook if something tragic happened and it was found the staff member DIDN'T call police?  Hell no.

In this case, the parent was known.  Could they have made an exception and avoided an ugly situation?  Sure, and maybe they should have.  But rules are rules, and they are supposed to be there for the safety of all the kids and faculty.  Frankly, if it were my kid, I might have done the same thing.  Only difference, I wouldn't have made a stink about it to press.  The next school board meeting, perhaps.
 
2014-03-23 11:34:16 AM  

Eve L. Koont: Nope, I didn't quote anything but point out how ridiculous it is act like you're an expert because you read something on the internet and you stuck to it pretty damn hard. Just stop playing internet doctor.

You haven't been right about anything, yet.


You are charming and delightful!
 
2014-03-23 11:35:23 AM  

timswar: skozlaw: timswar: If some random hysterical woman went barging into my son's school I'd want her arrested. My question is why the asst. principal wasn't already on top of the situation and meeting her at the classroom with the sign in form. This sounds like a result of poor communication between the teacher and the front office.

There's only her side of the story, as usual. How much do you want to bet she intentionally ignored or was hostile to the front office when they tried to get her to follow the proper procedures and didn't bother to mention that part to the media?

It couldn't surprise me in the least. I firmly believe that this Snowflake Generation doesn't actually exist, but what we really have is a bunch of parents in the Self-Important-Jackass Cohort.


What do you think that pony bag *cough*hasbroprofitedthemost*cough* crapfest was all about. Mommy posted an incedent that should have been handled privately on the internet. Mommy getting the attention being called a good Mom, Mom on Glen Beck with her brave son! Mom and her special little boy getting the praise of being the best Mom in the world by the fedora wearing social justice warriors who think Rainbow Dash is a lesbian.
 
2014-03-23 11:45:33 AM  

RavenOnyx: I have to agree with Pichu.

The local elementary has been basically terrorizing my youngest for six months. We had no proof. They sent her home on 2/19 with red fingermarks in her armpits, petechia, and a bruise on her back. CPS did NOTHING. The police did NOTHING. She's 8. She weighs 59lbs. Multiple issues. The worst she usually does is cry that the cafeteria ran out of pancakes, or not stop talking about MLP.

What did the school do? They called an IEP meeting to change our kid's placement and tried to blame it on her rubbing her back against a chair or some nonsense. (No, no clue how that would affect her armpits).  Their response to our kid getting hurt was to retaliate.

/we pulled her out after she came home with the injuries. Homeschooling for now, and trying to sell our house and move. There isn't another choice. An attorney for a due process case here is $$$$$$. We tried to work within the system and thought they were just clueless in the beginning. No. It's designed.
//yes, I'm very bitter right now
///not enough rum in the world
////maybe not enough slashies either


My son has a language delay, and I received an email from his preschool teacher saying that he has been acting out in class and they don't know how to control him.  Here's the catch:

He's 2.  And the class is for 2 year olds.

She also described all sorts of negative behaviors (like that he doesn't 'acknowledge her presence or look at her when she talks to him') and that he starts screaming and throws himself on the floor.  This does NOT sound anything like my son at all, and he has a speech therapist who says that he is absolutely great when she's there.  The therapist and I have come to the conclusion that the teacher doesn't like him and he doesn't like her...he's never ignored anyone else the way the teacher says he ignores her.

I am currently looking for a new preschool, because I'll be damned if one stupid teacher ruins school for my son when he's 2 years old.  I tried talking to the director, but she was hellbent on defending the teacher's actions.  I seriously hope this isn't something I have to deal with when we reach elementary school, but I'm not optimistic because the school bureaucracy is ridiculous.
 
2014-03-23 11:46:30 AM  

alice_600: fedora


It's a trillby, dick!

/kony 2012
 
2014-03-23 11:49:56 AM  

addy2: Eve L. Koont: How the fark does signing a book keep kids safe AFTER the person is buzzed in?? Do they check ID or something before they buzz a person in??

Thank you. Especially since they already know her by sight. Even with her possible history what the hell is signing going to do?


It's to keep a record of who comes and who goes in at what time or whatever.  It's case someone who doesn't know her face comes in posing as her or her "husband" or a "family member". Also if someone hears about it on a police scanner and in the chaos comes in as the above or as a cop or a therapist and leaves with $200,000 worth of equipment. They got their fingerprints and their signatures as well as the time they came in.
 
2014-03-23 11:58:12 AM  

Mentalpatient87: alice_600: fedora

It's a trillby, dick!

/kony 2012


Meh. I'm going to watch Space Dandy.
 
2014-03-23 11:59:33 AM  

alice_600: addy2: Eve L. Koont: How the fark does signing a book keep kids safe AFTER the person is buzzed in?? Do they check ID or something before they buzz a person in??

Thank you. Especially since they already know her by sight. Even with her possible history what the hell is signing going to do?

It's to keep a record of who comes and who goes in at what time or whatever.  It's case someone who doesn't know her face comes in posing as her or her "husband" or a "family member". Also if someone hears about it on a police scanner and in the chaos comes in as the above or as a cop or a therapist and leaves with $200,000 worth of equipment. They got their fingerprints and their signatures as well as the time they came in.


Okay, but they buzzed her in. What I'm wondering is if there's any sort of vetting process before they allow that person inside the school by buzzing them in?

Do they show ID to a school official at the door or something? I would think that (or something similar) would be the optimal way to make sure those that don't need to be inside don't get inside and the parent/guardian could also sign in right there after entering the door.
 
2014-03-23 12:05:22 PM  

RockofAges: but that "having a panic attack" is not. I disagree. Particularly when the individual having a panic attack suffers some form of mental disability or illness. These people are not subhuman, no matter how many attempts to push this narrative are made.

Panic attacks or mental health emergencies have long been brushed aside or swept under the rug.


Medical emergency is a) are you in immediate danger of dying or suffering severe permanent harm?  No?  Then it's not an emergency!  Due to some family medical issues, I've spent a fair amount of time in ER waiting rooms lately.  The 'emergency' situations people come in with are staggering!  Don't know the actual stats, but at least from my observations, 95% of ER visits (through the front door at least) are things that should have been treated in a walk-in clinic.

Of course, maybe I just come from a time when the entire generation wasn't a fluffy little snowflake that could melt in an instant.
 
2014-03-23 12:12:30 PM  
Then the school principal informed her she was violated school policy by not signing in. " I've already called the police."

She has all the characteristics of a Zero Intelligence school administrator.

/will likely get a raise
 
2014-03-23 12:13:41 PM  

smokingcrator: RockofAges: but that "having a panic attack" is not. I disagree. Particularly when the individual having a panic attack suffers some form of mental disability or illness. These people are not subhuman, no matter how many attempts to push this narrative are made.

Panic attacks or mental health emergencies have long been brushed aside or swept under the rug.

Medical emergency is a) are you in immediate danger of dying or suffering severe permanent harm?  No?  Then it's not an emergency!  Due to some family medical issues, I've spent a fair amount of time in ER waiting rooms lately.  The 'emergency' situations people come in with are staggering!  Don't know the actual stats, but at least from my observations, 95% of ER visits (through the front door at least) are things that should have been treated in a walk-in clinic.

Of course, maybe I just come from a time when the entire generation wasn't a fluffy little snowflake that could melt in an instant.


One panic attack a friend suffered caused her to need to be on oxygen for 24 hours.  It triggered an asthma type symptom.  She's also once had one causing her to think she was having a heart attack. The paramedics thought she was having one too.  The telltales that can be found after an examination weren't there however.

The medicine she's on now cuts the panic level down to below hospital visits.
 
2014-03-23 12:15:02 PM  

alice_600: addy2: Eve L. Koont: How the fark does signing a book keep kids safe AFTER the person is buzzed in?? Do they check ID or something before they buzz a person in??

Thank you. Especially since they already know her by sight. Even with her possible history what the hell is signing going to do?

It's to keep a record of who comes and who goes in at what time or whatever.  It's case someone who doesn't know her face comes in posing as her or her "husband" or a "family member". Also if someone hears about it on a police scanner and in the chaos comes in as the above or as a cop or a therapist and leaves with $200,000 worth of equipment. They got their fingerprints and their signatures as well as the time they came in.


Maybe. But she'd been specifically called by the school and buzzed in. I may be wrong, but I imagine the point of buzzing someone in is to see them first, recognize them and allow them in. If she was some malefactor I doubt she'd sign her real name.
 
2014-03-23 12:25:58 PM  
What a Walnut Grove special needs child might look like

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2014-03-23 12:34:03 PM  

skozlaw: When it's MY kid I shouldn't HAVE to follow the rules


that is kind of the way it works - yes

Test that theory - touch a kid and see if the parent will follow YOUR rules you farking trollbot
 
2014-03-23 12:44:01 PM  
She screwed up, yes. Sure she should have signed in. Even if she refused to at this particular incident, I don't think she should have been arrested by the police for it.

There is a time when common sense should override bureaucracy. That simply isn't happening anymore. As it has been said, zero tolerance = zero common sense.

Even if you needed the police there to show the mother you mean business, they still didn't have to arrest her.

If you want to throw in the waste of time and money it is for the police department to run charges and take her in, gas and all, this is really pretty stupid.

There were much better ways to handle this even if the media is leaving out a refusal to sign in or anything like that. Unless she was causing a much larger disturbance (keeping in mind that we're being told she was called by the teacher) I can't fathom the stupidity involved in these types of arrests at all.
 
2014-03-23 12:47:02 PM  

skozlaw: She was taken to the police station on trespassing charges but Williams said she is a known parent. In fact, she met with the principal on Wednesday about a separate issue.

Yea, that's a good reason you dumb twunt.

So, it's hard to judge since it's the typical "wah wah" crybaby story from a parent who did something stupid and then ran to whine about the consequences in the local media, but it sure sounds like this basically boils down to a simple matter of schools having increased security and this biatch feels like she's too special to have it apply to her like it would the rest of us.

Fark off you self-important jackass. I hope you get some jail time.


am I the only one who sees a resemblance to the original Donkey Kong in that picture?

i1207.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-23 12:59:30 PM  
I wish we had more details on this one. Like, how does the buzzer thing work? Does it just get you in the door before you have to sign in and show id?

Did the teacher let the office staff know that the mom was called and why? How did the mom react when they asked her to sign in?
 
2014-03-23 01:11:22 PM  

Eve L. Koont: How the fark does signing a book keep kids safe AFTER the person is buzzed in?? Do they check ID or something before they buzz a person in??


The secretaries have a row of photographs and a list of names - of parents with restraining orders, custody issues, and known child molesters in the area. In other words, the "bad guys."

Although sometimes it's in the teacher's lounge.

It's not that you need to sign the damned book, it's that you need walk past 3-4 people who may recognize you and/or remember that you're not supposed to be in contact with children. (Yours or other peoples'.)
 
2014-03-23 01:12:53 PM  

dv-ous: Eve L. Koont: How the fark does signing a book keep kids safe AFTER the person is buzzed in?? Do they check ID or something before they buzz a person in??

The secretaries have a row of photographs and a list of names - of parents with restraining orders, custody issues, and known child molesters in the area. In other words, the "bad guys."

Although sometimes it's in the teacher's lounge.

It's not that you need to sign the damned book, it's that you need walk past 3-4 people who may recognize you and/or remember that you're not supposed to be in contact with children. (Yours or other peoples'.)


Oh - it also depends on how the building is laid out. Sometimes they just hire security guards who DO check ID.
 
2014-03-23 01:19:44 PM  
Is it just me or does it seem like years ago it was easier for a parent to handle situations with their children at school?   Back in the early 70's when I was a first grader my father had to come pick me up because I puked at my teacher's feet (she refused to send me to the clinic when I asked).  My father came unescorted from the office to the clinic to get me and even was able to walk down the hall to my classroom with me in tow, knock on the door and get the teacher's attention and proceed to call her an idiot in front of me with no administrator present (no not in front of the other kids, Dad made sure she came out in the hall and closed the door so that only I heard it).

There were no sign in/out sheets back in the day, just a quick check in with the secretary to confirm that a call had been made and parents could just go on off to the clinic or classroom without an escort; or if there were there for class parties they didn't even have to check in at the office.  When did the schools become a minimum security prison?   FYI I am not a parent and after hearing stories like this I am glad I am not.
 
2014-03-23 01:20:52 PM  
And if that comment in the story about her threatening to stab another parent is true, there very well could be a policy in place that she needs someone to escort her on campus, etc.
 
2014-03-23 01:23:57 PM  

GBB: skwerl: Zero tolerance. Follow the rules, citizen.

Yup.  And when a school administrator makes a minor error, there is zero tolerance against them by parents, too.

Funny how that works.



I've got a crazy ex and a young child with a court order on file in the school office...

//// comes in very handy with crazy ex's. School loves me....
 
2014-03-23 01:24:47 PM  

shlybluz: Is it just me or does it seem like years ago it was easier for a parent to handle situations with their children at school?   Back in the early 70's when I was a first grader my father had to come pick me up because I puked at my teacher's feet (she refused to send me to the clinic when I asked).  My father came unescorted from the office to the clinic to get me and even was able to walk down the hall to my classroom with me in tow, knock on the door and get the teacher's attention and proceed to call her an idiot in front of me with no administrator present (no not in front of the other kids, Dad made sure she came out in the hall and closed the door so that only I heard it).

There were no sign in/out sheets back in the day, just a quick check in with the secretary to confirm that a call had been made and parents could just go on off to the clinic or classroom without an escort; or if there were there for class parties they didn't even have to check in at the office.  When did the schools become a minimum security prison?   FYI I am not a parent and after hearing stories like this I am glad I am not.


I wonder if it has something to do with rising divorce rates and crazy custody battles that weren't as prevelqnt as it is now.
 
2014-03-23 01:33:10 PM  

pippi longstocking: This is what happens when you put fictitious fear-mongering bureaucracy before common sense.


I call shaitnanigans on that. They can't even pretend they ran into a procedural error here; the admin involved knew the parent and so did the teacher. They could have walked the clipboard down to the classroom or waited.

I strongly suspect this was a bored admin who was in a big hurry to have some excitement.

When I was a rescue mission chaplain, late one night we had a bucket with some greasy rags in it catch fire. I went down to the utility room where it was and it was smoldering a bit; not a raging inferno or anything yet.

There was an exit right there; I tossed the bucket out in the back parking lot and went to get some water out of the kitchen to douse it.

But before that I had to stop the resident staff lady from discharging a fire extinguisher in the utility room instead. I pointed out we'd have a ton of paperwork with the city and fire department if the extinguisher was discharged, that it would cost money to recharge the extinguisher, and that it would make a horrendous mess in the utility room and we'd probably have to have it professionally cleaned and inspected by the city.

My boss later said it was of course the right decision, but the staff lady was furious. I think she was just mad that she didn't get to play with the extinguisher.
 
2014-03-23 01:44:10 PM  

GBB: If a parent comes into the school and doesn't sign in, then it's the administrator's word against the parent's on whether or not they were actually there.


The mother offered to sign if they would wait a minute or go get the sign in sheet.

And sure, maybe they really, really had to call the police. But as you pointed out, there was no reason to arrest her.

A kid with Asperger's could be dangerous to himself or others if he has a panic attack; I agree that too many are dismissive of that. And arresting someone in front of their child can be traumatic.

But as has also been pointed out, there may be more to the story. I doubt it, though.
 
2014-03-23 01:45:53 PM  

stonelotus: am I the only one who sees a resemblance to the original Donkey Kong in that picture?

i1207.photobucket.com


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2014-03-23 01:50:45 PM  
The school could have easily sent a staff member with the mother to get the needed information once she
had calmed her son down. My youngest son used to go into full blown panic attacks during severe weather
(to the point where he needed to have earplugs during a thunderstorm) and we had to do that from time to
time b/c my son was literally sitting on the floor, in a corner with his knees drawn up, rocking and keening
to himself.

Though in my case it helped that the school knew who I was on sight.
 
2014-03-23 01:59:15 PM  

noitsnot: Fark_Guy_Rob: Eve L. Koont: Fark_Guy_Rob: Eve L. Koont: thurstonxhowell: Eve L. Koont: ^Agree 100%. When you have to quote from the interwebs just stfu instead.

The only reason for your post to exist is a "quote from the interwebs". You added nothing of value to it.

But playing internet doctor and acting as if you know all from reading a few pages of text and think of yourself as some hot shiat expert does what? On fark it makes you fit in well apparently.


You've been caught with your pants down and you should either admit it or walk away.

Panic attack is a real medical thing with real medical symptoms.  It not just "somebody watched a scary movie and they're freaking out".


My pants are up.

I claimed it was not a medical emergency.  It isn't.

That doesn't mean it's not a 'real medical thing'.  Wikipedia and the Mayo clinic agree.  The kid was not in immediate danger.
 
2014-03-23 02:01:25 PM  
Also - for anyone claiming it was a medical emergency - why is nobody complaining that 911 wasn't called?
 
2014-03-23 02:03:09 PM  
School admins are just like police. The whole lot of them should be on the unemployment line.

time to start from scratch. Hire new and start again.

how many farkers here want anybody involved in this story teaching their kids?
 
2014-03-23 02:07:29 PM  

JoieD'Zen: skozlaw: She was taken to the police station on trespassing charges but Williams said she is a known parent. In fact, she met with the principal on Wednesday about a separate issue.

Yea, that's a good reason you dumb twunt.

So, it's hard to judge since it's the typical "wah wah" crybaby story from a parent who did something stupid and then ran to whine about the consequences in the local media, but it sure sounds like this basically boils down to a simple matter of schools having increased security and this biatch feels like she's too special to have it apply to her like it would the rest of us.

Fark off you self-important jackass. I hope you get some jail time.

You've never had an emergency call about your child have you?

Every time I read a story like this I am glad my kids re grown and I don't have to deal with this fear mongering bullsh*t.


I have two kids in grade school. I've received the standard number of sick/problem calls over the years. It takes about 30 seconds to go by the office. And everyone at the school know any adult without an ID card or a little printed sticker on their left breast (there's your 30 seconds) does not belong there. It's a very efficient way to ensure safety. The fact that there are no exceptions ensures the safety part.

She should not have been arrested when the cops got there if she explained herself rationally but the odds are high she's a crazy entitled psycho who had pushed the limits many times before and she overstepped them this time.
 
2014-03-23 02:13:10 PM  
There's a difference between...
"Principle, a parent neglected to sign in and is going to see her son in room 222"
"Principle, there's a person carrying something that looks like a gun"

One of those deserves calling the cops, the other a stern warning about the rules.
 
2014-03-23 02:22:53 PM  

RockofAges: JoieD'Zen: skozlaw: She was taken to the police station on trespassing charges but Williams said she is a known parent. In fact, she met with the principal on Wednesday about a separate issue.

Yea, that's a good reason you dumb twunt.

So, it's hard to judge since it's the typical "wah wah" crybaby story from a parent who did something stupid and then ran to whine about the consequences in the local media, but it sure sounds like this basically boils down to a simple matter of schools having increased security and this biatch feels like she's too special to have it apply to her like it would the rest of us.

Fark off you self-important jackass. I hope you get some jail time.

You've never had an emergency call about your child have you?

Every time I read a story like this I am glad my kids re grown and I don't have to deal with this fear mongering bullsh*t.

Nailed it. It's pretty obvious that these people (your critics) do not have disability in their family or close to them. These are the same types of people who manipulate "simple people" and laugh about it later rather than acting kind. I'm a pretty huge dick to the fully-functional (well, actually, I'm pretty harsh on the ignorant / pedantic) but, get real.

People who hide behind "the rules" are pathetic cowards. My priorities in life are such that "the rules" land pretty low down on the list, and definitely well below "family".

Jesus, you used to be able to smoke in school. The only reasons to justify "the rule" are:

A) Think of the CHILDREEEEEN!

B) OMG SCHOOL SHOOTINGS!

Get real. This woman is a parent to a special needs child enrolled in this school. The teaching staff, let alone the principal, should be well aware of this woman. In the real world, when you know someone, and you recognize their circumstances, you USUALLY don't go all Adolph Hitler on them. (OMG GODWIN!).

I bet every single one of the pants wetting cowards hiding and shivering behind "school rules" is 'Murican, because your climate of fear hath stolen your manhood. My kid is in actual distress (not "snowflaking")? I'm there in a heartbeat.

/doesn't even have kids
/is a Godfather, however


It's pretty evident that most of the people who decry theses school rules don't currently have school age kids. AFAIK it's nigh on universal to have one entry point and mandatory visible id from check in. I've been to my kids schools dozens and dozens of times over the years for everything from illness to forgotten lunches to bringing pizzas for holiday parties. You do not go past the office without getting a little printed sticker, ever. It's painless and fast and anyone that's not supposed to be there is plainly evident to anyone they pass. Rushing past the office is an obvious way to indicate you're not supposed to be there. Anyone who thinks these policies are some sort of pointless time waste either hasn't dealt with them or needs to put their kids in a school with a functioning front office.
 
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