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(KMOV St. Louis)   Mother rushes to her special needs sons school to comfort him after he has a panic attack. Resulting in a lockdown and the mother arrested because? A) She had drugs on her, B) A teacher has a restraining order against her, or C) She didn't sign in   (kmov.com) divider line 223
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2014-03-23 09:08:41 AM
The only way into either of my kids' schools is through a glass box like the entries at certain banks. They don't buzz you in, you're not getting in. I do hate that I have to leave my drivers license at the entry just on principle but it pretty much eliminates these situations. I hate that everyone is so terrified of a statistical non-event but I suppose the lawyers are behind it all.
 
2014-03-23 09:09:01 AM

Abox: RockofAges: People who hide behind "the rules" are pathetic cowards. My priorities in life are such that "the rules" land pretty low down on the list

Ugh...I work with people like this and they are pretty much responsible for everything that goes wrong.


I guess I'm one of the "please follow the rules" people at work. Frankly, people who don't make me insane.

We have rules about where you document any changes you make on a server, including passwords. We have rules about what you can and can't tell a client and rules about how to document any defects you find in our product. When people don't follow these rules, it usually results in me having to do twice as much work trying to figure out what the hell the last analyst did. I guess the last person figured rules are for squares.

Having said that, sure I'd like to punch the guy in the face who complains about which parking lot I parked in or whether or not my shoes are too casual for business casual. Of course, I wouldn't actually punch him in the face. There are rules against that.

/rules
 
2014-03-23 09:09:28 AM

Eve L. Koont: How the fark does signing a book keep kids safe AFTER the person is buzzed in?? Do they check ID or something before they buzz a person in??


Schools have been implementing, little by little, a system called Raptr. It actually physically scans valid US ids and matches them against a database of sex offenders and others.
 
2014-03-23 09:12:53 AM

skozlaw: She was taken to the police station on trespassing charges but Williams said she is a known parent. In fact, she met with the principal on Wednesday about a separate issue.

Yea, that's a good reason you dumb twunt.

So, it's hard to judge since it's the typical "wah wah" crybaby story from a parent who did something stupid and then ran to whine about the consequences in the local media, but it sure sounds like this basically boils down to a simple matter of schools having increased security and this biatch feels like she's too special to have it apply to her like it would the rest of us.

Fark off you self-important jackass. I hope you get some jail time.


Die in a fire.
 
2014-03-23 09:14:14 AM

BumpInTheNight: Good, I don't want random possibly armed adults floating around the halls of my kids' school.  I don't care if they are a parent of a child there, follow the rules and identify yourself.  I especially don't care if you think your snowflake requires even more urgent attention then smart kids, back in the day darwinism would have ensured your blood line ended with you so stop biatching else we'll have to revisit that.


Die in a fire.
 
2014-03-23 09:16:34 AM

Fark_Guy_Rob: I won't say this is always the case, but I will say 'most of the time'....these things aren't as unreasonable as they seem.  It reminds me of the 'Man arrested for talking too long at a public meeting' headlines that were floating around....but when you actually see the full story - regardless of what side you agree with - have to admit that there was a lot more to the story.

I'd bet money that this lady is a frequent pain-in-the-ass to the staff.  Her special needs snowflake was emotional.  Not dying, not bleeding, not in need of medical attention....her kid was having a panic attack.  And, I'm willing to bet money that it isn't first time.  She even says she 'is a known parent'.  I'd imagine she has a long history of expecting special treatment.  She was there just two days before speaking to the principal about an 'unrelated issue'.

I'd also suspect that she'd be the first to raise hell if she found out someone else was allowed past the school's 'security procedures' designed to protect her special needs child.


This is the way I imagined it in my head, therefore this is the way it must have went down!

Ugh.
 
2014-03-23 09:17:30 AM

Eve L. Koont: Pichu0102: So why didn't principal dipshiat call off the police if the person was known, or at least tell the police that there was a mistake?

If they called her and were expecting her to come in, and not said anything when the police arrested her, well, they're idiots.

Of course, an uncomfortable problem here is that the local area thinks that these policies are necessary to protect their children. Either the people on the board are overly paranoid, or this school has problems already. I'd say those two explanations are the most likely, and both have their own set of unfortunate implications...

How about NOT buzzing the person in and giving them access to the building and everyone inside unless you know who the fark they are??

How the fark does signing a book keep kids safe? If they buzzed her in I hope to fark they knew who she was or the fault is on them.

They called her. They buzzed her in. And, they still had the stones to have her arrested?? Seriously?


There school might be different, but at my elementary school, it wasn't built with security in mind.  It's not a prison.  The buzz-in system is, essentially, 'The person isn't obviously intoxicated, nude, carrying guns or barrels of explosives'.  Being 'buzzed in' just meant the door unlocked.  They didn't collect IDs, nobody was stationed in a 'pre-access area' to do authorizations.

There were signs, and the policy was, upon entering the building you needed to go straight across the hall into the main office where the lady operating the buzzer was sitting, and 'sign-in'.  You'd need to say who you were and why you were there.

So, being 'buzzed in' did NOT mean they knew the person.  Just that the person was not an immediate, obvious threat.  And nothing stopped someone who was buzzed in from running down the hallway without going into the office first.  The receptionist/office worker just had a crappy old camera and a button to unlock the door.  If they let someone in and saw them run down the hall, they are supposed to call the police.  Most schools are made up of lots of employees.  It almost certainly wasn't the lady at the desk who called her.

Imagine you work at a school.  Part of your job is to let in visitors.  If you let someone in and they don't immediately follow the signs and come up to you, you are SUPPOSED to call the police and start the lock-down.  Because it could be a crazy person.

So you ring in a lady who immediately runs down the hall.  What do you do?  Hit the panic button, because that is your job.
 
2014-03-23 09:18:07 AM
*their
 
2014-03-23 09:20:28 AM

Eve L. Koont: Fark_Guy_Rob: I won't say this is always the case, but I will say 'most of the time'....these things aren't as unreasonable as they seem.  It reminds me of the 'Man arrested for talking too long at a public meeting' headlines that were floating around....but when you actually see the full story - regardless of what side you agree with - have to admit that there was a lot more to the story.

I'd bet money that this lady is a frequent pain-in-the-ass to the staff.  Her special needs snowflake was emotional.  Not dying, not bleeding, not in need of medical attention....her kid was having a panic attack.  And, I'm willing to bet money that it isn't first time.  She even says she 'is a known parent'.  I'd imagine she has a long history of expecting special treatment.  She was there just two days before speaking to the principal about an 'unrelated issue'.

I'd also suspect that she'd be the first to raise hell if she found out someone else was allowed past the school's 'security procedures' designed to protect her special needs child.

This is the way I imagined it in my head, therefore this is the way it must have went down!

Ugh.


That's not what I said at all.  I said that I *suspect* and that I would be willing to bet money.
It's exactly the same as people who are siding with the mother, they are imagining events as they think it would have gone down and deciding how they feel about it.

Nobody knows the actual details of what happened.  And nobody should trust the media to get any of it right.

The only thing that we know for sure is that she was at the school, the police were called, and they arrested her.
 
2014-03-23 09:24:34 AM
Said it before, will say it again. Our schools have been turned into prisons.
 
2014-03-23 09:26:22 AM
Rules...i remember carrying a screaming woman into the E.R. Her insides were exploding with a bad pregnancy...i mean she was screaming uncontrollably in obvious pain of 20a on a scale of 10. Desk lady told her to have a seat for paperwork...i said, you do some paperwork i'm going back to the doctors and nurses...the said she could have died if we waited longer...should i have followed the rules and let her die?
 
2014-03-23 09:27:19 AM

Abox: "I saw a teacher and she said Ms. Williams what is wrong? I said something is wrong with Mikey and proceeded to go straight to my son," said Williams

Yeah something tells me this piece didn't go down quite this way..


I suspect she's conveniently leaving out the 40 decibels, the 5 swear words in the sentence directed at the teacher, and possibly an elbow or two.
 
2014-03-23 09:32:16 AM

RockofAges: Fark_Guy_Rob: RockofAges: Fark_Guy_Rob: won't say this is always the case, but I will say 'most of the time'....these things aren't as unreasonable as they seem.  It reminds me of the 'Man arrested for talking too long at a public meeting' headlines that were floating around....but when you actually see the full story - regardless of what side you agree with - have to admit that there was a lot more to the story.

I'd bet money that this lady is a frequent pain-in-the-ass to the staff.  Her special needs snowflake was emotional.  Not dying, not bleeding, not in need of medical attention....her kid was having a panic attack.  And, I'm willing to bet money that it isn't first time.  She even says she 'is a known parent'.  I'd imagine she has a long history of expecting special treatment.  She was there just two days before speaking to the principal about an 'unrelated issue'.

I'd also suspect that she'd be the first to raise hell if she found out someone else was allowed past the school's 'security procedures' designed to protect her special needs child.

Totally possible, but also very well written conjecture.

Agreed 100% - but it's no different than the one sided story typically presented by the media.

I do have an additional criticism. You seem to be of the opinion that "bleeding" is a medical emergency (arbitrarily -- many superficial cuts are just that) but that "having a panic attack" is not. I disagree. Particularly when the individual having a panic attack suffers some form of mental disability or illness. These people are not subhuman, no matter how many attempts to push this narrative are made.

Panic attacks or mental health emergencies have long been brushed aside or swept under the rug. I would hope an intelligent person like yourself would not contribute to something which is currently, thankfully, in a state of change. And, as I said earlier, contextually, the professionals involved in this case (the teachers, and the principal) were already well acq ...


A medical emergency is an injury or illness that is acute and poses an immediate risk to a person's life or long term health.

Not all cuts are medical emergencies.  But some cuts are medical emergencies.  If left untreated, is the kid at risk of dying or being permanently affected?  Yes - then it is a medical emergency.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_medical_emergencies

I know Wikipedia isn't the end-all source of answers, but they do list psychiatric medical emergencies....but they do not include panic attacks (assuming the kid was having a panic attack).

According to the Mayo Clinic, these are the possible side-effects of untreated panic *attacks*
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/panic-attacks/basics/c om plications/con-20020825

They aren't talking about one untreated panic attack, but a lifetime of them....
  Development of specific phobias, such as fear of driving or leaving your home
  Avoidance of social situations
  Problems at work or school
  Depression
  Increased risk of suicide or suicidal thoughts
  Alcohol or substance abuse
  Financial problems

None of these are immediate problems that would constitute a medical emergency.  Time was not 'of the essence'.  The kid was not in danger of death or dismemberment.  An ambulance wasn't called, he didn't need medical treatment.
 
2014-03-23 09:34:29 AM
How come I get the feeling that the retard isn't the only one that's retarded in this story?
 
2014-03-23 09:34:41 AM

djwebb1127: Rules...i remember carrying a screaming woman into the E.R. Her insides were exploding with a bad pregnancy...i mean she was screaming uncontrollably in obvious pain of 20a on a scale of 10. Desk lady told her to have a seat for paperwork...i said, you do some paperwork i'm going back to the doctors and nurses...the said she could have died if we waited longer...should i have followed the rules and let her die?


I'm all for breaking rules.  The key is, when appropriate.  If you are going to break a rule, you better be darn sure you are justified in doing so.

Saving a life - that's mighty strong justification.
 
2014-03-23 09:34:46 AM

RavenOnyx: I have to agree with Pichu.

The local elementary has been basically terrorizing my youngest for six months. We had no proof. They sent her home on 2/19 with red fingermarks in her armpits, petechia, and a bruise on her back. CPS did NOTHING. The police did NOTHING. She's 8. She weighs 59lbs. Multiple issues. The worst she usually does is cry that the cafeteria ran out of pancakes, or not stop talking about MLP.

What did the school do? They called an IEP meeting to change our kid's placement and tried to blame it on her rubbing her back against a chair or some nonsense. (No, no clue how that would affect her armpits).  Their response to our kid getting hurt was to retaliate.

/we pulled her out after she came home with the injuries. Homeschooling for now, and trying to sell our house and move. There isn't another choice. An attorney for a due process case here is $$$$$$. We tried to work within the system and thought they were just clueless in the beginning. No. It's designed.
//yes, I'm very bitter right now
///not enough rum in the world
////maybe not enough slashies either


That's horrible. I hope the guilty parties die in a fire.
 
2014-03-23 09:35:12 AM
If "zero tolerance" really is such a great thing, why bother with school administrators in the first place?  There's no point teaching people to act like machines when actual machines are cheaper & more reliable.  Just replace the administrators a computer & be done with it.

if (entry) and (not sign_in):
  call_police()
else:
  idle()


There, 2 lines of code and I just saved the school district $75k/year on someone's salary.
 
GBB
2014-03-23 09:36:28 AM

Close2TheEdge: GBB: skwerl: Zero tolerance. Follow the rules, citizen.

Yup.  And when a school administrator makes a minor error, there is zero tolerance against them by parents, too.

Funny how that works.

That's just it.  The school administrator was following procedure correctly.  Do the need to apologize?  No.  Should they?  Yes, because there is no way they can win the PR shiatstorm this will generate.


I don't think the school should apologize 1 bit.
If a parent comes into the school and doesn't sign in, then it's the administrator's word against the parent's on whether or not they were actually there.  Bending the rules for her means bending the rules for every parent and that's when mistakes happen and a jealous or vindictive ex-husband/wife ends up kidnapping their own child against court orders.  And every single time that happens, an administrator is thrown under the bus.  Admin did their part and notified law enforcement because a parent breached protocol and failed to sign in when and where they were supposed to.

Now, should law enforcement have arrested her?  Probably not.  That's going a bit far.  Law enforcement could have written a 30 second report that they were called to the scene and checked that everything was fine.  But then again, law enforcement falls under the same, if not more intense, scrutiny than public school administrators.

The average person always wants everyone else to follow the rules to the tee, but wants everyone else to be understanding when they want to break those same rules.
 
2014-03-23 09:37:13 AM
As usual the hate piles on the mother of a special needs child. What is it about special needs children that brings out the ugliness of people?!

FFS
 
2014-03-23 09:38:18 AM

jshine: If "zero tolerance" really is such a great thing, why bother with school administrators in the first place?  There's no point teaching people to act like machines when actual machines are cheaper & more reliable.  Just replace the administrators a computer & be done with it.

if (entry) and (not sign_in):
  call_police()
else:
  idle()

There, 2 lines of code and I just saved the school district $75k/year on someone's salary.


You'd need a lot of equipment and sophisticated software in place to pull it off though.  I don't know of any commercial packages that do it, and the person responsible for the buzzing in probably does a lot more than just buzzing people in.
 
2014-03-23 09:40:33 AM
This woman is a known pain in the ass at the school. From the comments below the actual story someone said she had threatened to stab a staff member or another parent. That's what the Wednesday meeting was all about. You have to remember, she called the tv station to air her grievances. The school really isn't allowed to comment much.

I'm not saying it was right or wrong, just trying to give a little context.
 
2014-03-23 09:45:14 AM
Mobobobo your Nanny sign in bullzhit.
 
2014-03-23 09:45:39 AM

Lee451: skozlaw: JoieD'Zen: You've never had an emergency call about your child have you?

"When it's MY kid I shouldn't HAVE to follow the rules!"

Right.

THIS. if she had assaulted a teacher or student, the school officials would have been raked over the coals for letting her in without signing in.


How many years do you think it will be before somebody barges into this school and assaults a teacher or student? It simply doesn't happen very often.

The overwhelming majority of 'school shootings' in the last 2 decades are a direct result of school security rules and regulations in place. All of these rules are easily bypassed by anybody with a brain, and the attackers are looking for attention and shock value.
 
2014-03-23 09:46:52 AM

Fark_Guy_Rob: jshine: If "zero tolerance" really is such a great thing, why bother with school administrators in the first place?  There's no point teaching people to act like machines when actual machines are cheaper & more reliable.  Just replace the administrators a computer & be done with it.

if (entry) and (not sign_in):
  call_police()
else:
  idle()

There, 2 lines of code and I just saved the school district $75k/year on someone's salary.

You'd need a lot of equipment and sophisticated software in place to pull it off though.  I don't know of any commercial packages that do it, and the person responsible for the buzzing in probably does a lot more than just buzzing people in.



Admittedly, you'd probably have to hire janitorial staff to come in (after hours) to clean.  Tests could be by scantron, graded and recorded electronically.  Give the kids RFID bracelets and have them enter through double-doored booths with metal detectors.  Stick a half-dozen police in an on-site station for security.  You really could eliminate almost all humans and human decision making from the entire education process.  It would be beautiful: a generation raised entirely by machines.  Machines that would never kidnap them, or molest them, or generate any direct liability for the district in any way.  ...and obviously union problems would be a think of the past.

Sure, minor programming errors could crop up, but any liability would go to a huge corporation and be averaged out over thousands of districts.  Everything would be predictable, controllable, and uniform.  Kids already spend most of their waking hours staring at computers, so it's not as drastic a step as it might seem.
 
2014-03-23 09:48:10 AM

Close2TheEdge: GBB: skwerl: Zero tolerance. Follow the rules, citizen.

Yup.  And when a school administrator makes a minor error, there is zero tolerance against them by parents, too.

Funny how that works.

That's just it.  The school administrator was following procedure correctly.  Do the need to apologize?  No.  Should they?  Yes, because there is no way they can win the PR shiatstorm this will generate.


When you explain away bad behavior because it's become established "procedure", you really need to reevaluate your moral compass.
 
2014-03-23 09:50:57 AM

RockofAges: Big_Doofus: This woman is a known pain in the ass at the school. From the comments below the actual story someone said she had threatened to stab a staff member or another parent. That's what the Wednesday meeting was all about. You have to remember, she called the tv station to air her grievances. The school really isn't allowed to comment much.

I'm not saying it was right or wrong, just trying to give a little context.

Hearsay and rumours are absolutely how I garner my information. Did you HEAR what this crazy cat lady actually DID, Mrs. Weatherbee? I heard she went on the RADIO!


Ahhhhhh.... I got ya.

She probably is a model parent with a model child who is very easy to deal with and has never done anything wrong. I'm sure the school goes on lockdown and arrests parents quite regularly.

The only point I'm trying to make is there are generally several sides to every story. We have only heard one here.
 
2014-03-23 09:52:01 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: When you explain away bad behavior because it's become established "procedure", you really need to reevaluate your moral compass.


Who needs a moral compass when you have rules & procedures.  Questioning rules is thoughtcrime.
 
2014-03-23 09:54:19 AM
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a few months in an iso-cube, to cool her heels, ought to do the trick.
 
2014-03-23 09:54:55 AM

Astorix: As usual the hate piles on the mother of a special needs child. What is it about special needs children that brings out the ugliness of people?!

FFS


Why aren't people questioning the influx of 'special needs' children? What causes it?
No, I don't buy the 'better diagnosis' bullsh*t.
 
2014-03-23 09:56:23 AM

RockofAges: Fark_Guy_Rob: RockofAges: Fark_Guy_Rob: RockofAges: Fark_Guy_Rob: won't say this is always the case, but I will say 'most of the time'....these things aren't as unreasonable as they seem.  It reminds me of the 'Man arrested for talking too long at a public meeting' headlines that were floating around....but when you actually see the full story - regardless of what side you agree with - have to admit that there was a lot more to the story.

I'd bet money that this lady is a frequent pain-in-the-ass to the staff.  Her special needs snowflake was emotional.  Not dying, not bleeding, not in need of medical attention....her kid was having a panic attack.  And, I'm willing to bet money that it isn't first time.  She even says she 'is a known parent'.  I'd imagine she has a long history of expecting special treatment.  She was there just two days before speaking to the principal about an 'unrelated issue'.

I'd also suspect that she'd be the first to raise hell if she found out someone else was allowed past the school's 'security procedures' designed to protect her special needs child.

Totally possible, but also very well written conjecture.

Agreed 100% - but it's no different than the one sided story typically presented by the media.

I do have an additional criticism. You seem to be of the opinion that "bleeding" is a medical emergency (arbitrarily -- many superficial cuts are just that) but that "having a panic attack" is not. I disagree. Particularly when the individual having a panic attack suffers some form of mental disability or illness. These people are not subhuman, no matter how many attempts to push this narrative are made.

Panic attacks or mental health emergencies have long been brushed aside or swept under the rug. I would hope an intelligent person like yourself would not contribute to something which is currently, thankfully, in a state of change. And, as I said earlier, contextually, the professionals involved in this case (the teachers, and the princi ...


A 'medical emergency' is a specific thing, with a specific meaning.  This kid's panic attack wasn't a medical emergency.

That's not sweeping it under the rug or dismissing it.  Things can be really traumatic and really painful, without being medical emergencies.  When you say things like, 'Oh sure, you can quote medical literature to support your argument, but I don't care....' I don't think that makes me sound condescending or dismissive.  It makes me sound *right*.

Sure, it's an appeal to authority, but we're not arguing logical truths.  Your problem isn't with me, for using the correct terminology, your problem is with the medical field.  If they change their stance, I'll change mine, I'm just deferring to the standards established by the experts.

But, until then....this wasn't a medical emergency.
 
2014-03-23 09:59:23 AM

Big_Doofus: This woman is a known pain in the ass at the school. From the comments below the actual story someone said she had threatened to stab a staff member or another parent. That's what the Wednesday meeting was all about. You have to remember, she called the tv station to air her grievances. The school really isn't allowed to comment much.

I'm not saying it was right or wrong, just trying to give a little context.


That is either made up, hearsay and rumor, or straight from the mouth of someone who works at the school.

If it's the latter, they're not very smart as you are not supposed to divulge any information that would be in the child's file (the reason for a visit, etc). You can't take a comment and run with it like you did as if it's the known truth, especially when that comment sounds as if someone who works at the school wrote it, therefore setting themselves up for a lawsuit.
 
2014-03-23 10:01:31 AM

skwerl: The overwhelming majority of 'school shootings' in the last 2 decades are a direct result of school security rules and regulations in place.


Asking people to sign in directly results in people shooting children. Got it. Makes perfect sense.
 
2014-03-23 10:03:21 AM

djwebb1127: Rules...i remember carrying a screaming woman into the E.R. Her insides were exploding with a bad pregnancy...i mean she was screaming uncontrollably in obvious pain of 20a on a scale of 10. Desk lady told her to have a seat for paperwork...i said, you do some paperwork i'm going back to the doctors and nurses...the said she could have died if we waited longer...should i have followed the rules and let her die?


Were you chomping a cigar stub and squinting hard into the distance when you typed that in your dimly lit, smoky room with all the color washed out of it, you hard-boiled American hero you?
 
2014-03-23 10:04:19 AM
Last year I walked into my kid's main campus to get a form from the nurse. I walked in to the office to sign in and was directed to the nurse down the hall before I could do so. No one even went with me. Hang on, it gets worse. I asked the nurse for a form that had health information on it and it was given to me without any verification. I contacted the school about it and they keep ignoring me. That health information? It was a screening for which we had clearly and explicitly withheld consent and they did anyway.
 
2014-03-23 10:04:41 AM

RockofAges: Fark_Guy_Rob: RockofAges: Fark_Guy_Rob: RockofAges: Fark_Guy_Rob: RockofAges: Fark_Guy_Rob: won't say this is always the case, but I will say 'most of the time'....these things aren't as unreasonable as they seem.  It reminds me of the 'Man arrested for talking too long at a public meeting' headlines that were floating around....but when you actually see the full story - regardless of what side you agree with - have to admit that there was a lot more to the story.

I'd bet money that this lady is a frequent pain-in-the-ass to the staff.  Her special needs snowflake was emotional.  Not dying, not bleeding, not in need of medical attention....her kid was having a panic attack.  And, I'm willing to bet money that it isn't first time.  She even says she 'is a known parent'.  I'd imagine she has a long history of expecting special treatment.  She was there just two days before speaking to the principal about an 'unrelated issue'.

I'd also suspect that she'd be the first to raise hell if she found out someone else was allowed past the school's 'security procedures' designed to protect her special needs child.

Totally possible, but also very well written conjecture.

Agreed 100% - but it's no different than the one sided story typically presented by the media.

I do have an additional criticism. You seem to be of the opinion that "bleeding" is a medical emergency (arbitrarily -- many superficial cuts are just that) but that "having a panic attack" is not. I disagree. Particularly when the individual having a panic attack suffers some form of mental disability or illness. These people are not subhuman, no matter how many attempts to push this narrative are made.

Panic attacks or mental health emergencies have long been brushed aside or swept under the rug. I would hope an intelligent person like yourself would not contribute to something which is currently, thankfully, in a state of change. And, as I said earlier, contextually, the professionals involved in this case (the teachers, an ...

No, you're just a pedant, and I afford no respect or intellectual gravitas to pedants. Continue parroting.


^Agree 100%. When you have to quote from the interwebs just stfu instead.
 
2014-03-23 10:04:54 AM

skozlaw: djwebb1127: Rules...i remember carrying a screaming woman into the E.R. Her insides were exploding with a bad pregnancy...i mean she was screaming uncontrollably in obvious pain of 20a on a scale of 10. Desk lady told her to have a seat for paperwork...i said, you do some paperwork i'm going back to the doctors and nurses...the said she could have died if we waited longer...should i have followed the rules and let her die?

Were you chomping a cigar stub and squinting hard into the distance when you typed that in your dimly lit, smoky room with all the color washed out of it, you hard-boiled American hero you?


His only flaw is that he's just too badass. Well, that and making up stories.
 
2014-03-23 10:06:37 AM

Tobin_Lam: Last year I walked into my kid's main campus to get a form from the nurse. I walked in to the office to sign in and was directed to the nurse down the hall before I could do so. No one even went with me. Hang on, it gets worse. I asked the nurse for a form that had health information on it and it was given to me without any verification. I contacted the school about it and they keep ignoring me. That health information? It was a screening for which we had clearly and explicitly withheld consent and they did anyway.


So did they find out your kid was actually an alien from the planet Vogon?
 
2014-03-23 10:06:51 AM

Eve L. Koont: ^Agree 100%. When you have to quote from the interwebs just stfu instead.


The only reason for your post to exist is a "quote from the interwebs". You added nothing of value to it.
 
2014-03-23 10:11:40 AM

RockofAges: Fark_Guy_Rob: RockofAges: Fark_Guy_Rob: RockofAges: Fark_Guy_Rob: RockofAges: Fark_Guy_Rob: won't say this is always the case, but I will say 'most of the time'....these things aren't as unreasonable as they seem.  It reminds me of the 'Man arrested for talking too long at a public meeting' headlines that were floating around....but when you actually see the full story - regardless of what side you agree with - have to admit that there was a lot more to the story.

I'd bet money that this lady is a frequent pain-in-the-ass to the staff.  Her special needs snowflake was emotional.  Not dying, not bleeding, not in need of medical attention....her kid was having a panic attack.  And, I'm willing to bet money that it isn't first time.  She even says she 'is a known parent'.  I'd imagine she has a long history of expecting special treatment.  She was there just two days before speaking to the principal about an 'unrelated issue'.

I'd also suspect that she'd be the first to raise hell if she found out someone else was allowed past the school's 'security procedures' designed to protect her special needs child.

Totally possible, but also very well written conjecture.

Agreed 100% - but it's no different than the one sided story typically presented by the media.

I do have an additional criticism. You seem to be of the opinion that "bleeding" is a medical emergency (arbitrarily -- many superficial cuts are just that) but that "having a panic attack" is not. I disagree. Particularly when the individual having a panic attack suffers some form of mental disability or illness. These people are not subhuman, no matter how many attempts to push this narrative are made.

Panic attacks or mental health emergencies have long been brushed aside or swept under the rug. I would hope an intelligent person like yourself would not contribute to something which is currently, thankfully, in a state of change. And, as I said earlier, contextually, the professionals involved in this case (th ...


Sure - I'll continue 'parroting' by using the accepted meanings of words.  And you can continue to 'innovate' your own meanings as you see fit.  That's totally cool.  But it's pretty unrealistic to expect the rest of the world to pick up on how you think words should be.  Lots of people are going to continue to 'parrot' the actual meanings.
 
2014-03-23 10:13:49 AM

thurstonxhowell: Eve L. Koont: ^Agree 100%. When you have to quote from the interwebs just stfu instead.

The only reason for your post to exist is a "quote from the interwebs". You added nothing of value to it.


But playing internet doctor and acting as if you know all from reading a few pages of text and think of yourself as some hot shiat expert does what? On fark it makes you fit in well apparently.
 
2014-03-23 10:15:24 AM

RockofAges: oldsbone: Abox: "I saw a teacher and she said Ms. Williams what is wrong? I said something is wrong with Mikey and proceeded to go straight to my son," said Williams

Yeah something tells me this piece didn't go down quite this way..

I suspect she's conveniently leaving out the 40 decibels, the 5 swear words in the sentence directed at the teacher, and possibly an elbow or two.

Yeah, real life is like a vigilante movie, a Lifetime special, and 80s wrestling all mashed up together. Was Arnold Schwarzenegger just around the corner, as Det. John Kimball, ready to take down the kung-fu aspie-snowflake crazy-cat-lady warriormama?


It wasn't Arnie, it was Bruce Willis as John McClane waiting for her.

/Now I have a machine gun.  Ho-ho-ho!
 
2014-03-23 10:15:55 AM

JerkStore: The only way into either of my kids' schools is through a glass box like the entries at certain banks. They don't buzz you in, you're not getting in. I do hate that I have to leave my drivers license at the entry just on principle but it pretty much eliminates these situations. I hate that everyone is so terrified of a statistical non-event but I suppose the lawyers are behind it all.


Your're joking, right?  I mean, it's been a few years since I've been in an elementary school or high school, but you MUST be joking.
 
2014-03-23 10:16:09 AM

BumpInTheNight: Tobin_Lam: Last year I walked into my kid's main campus to get a form from the nurse. I walked in to the office to sign in and was directed to the nurse down the hall before I could do so. No one even went with me. Hang on, it gets worse. I asked the nurse for a form that had health information on it and it was given to me without any verification. I contacted the school about it and they keep ignoring me. That health information? It was a screening for which we had clearly and explicitly withheld consent and they did anyway.

So did they find out your kid was actually an alien from the planet Vogon?


Not yet. It has been particularly difficult to hide it from the teacher.
 
2014-03-23 10:18:28 AM

Eve L. Koont: ^Agree 100%. When you have to quote from the interwebs just stfu instead.


I think that's really sad, honestly.  I guess maybe ignorance really is bliss?

What is the alternative you would recommend?

Perhaps you dislike when people quote sources for their claims, because you frequently find yourself arguing positions without supporting sources?
 
2014-03-23 10:20:41 AM

Eve L. Koont: thurstonxhowell: Eve L. Koont: ^Agree 100%. When you have to quote from the interwebs just stfu instead.

The only reason for your post to exist is a "quote from the interwebs". You added nothing of value to it.

But playing internet doctor and acting as if you know all from reading a few pages of text and think of yourself as some hot shiat expert does what? On fark it makes you fit in well apparently.


Everyone expressing a medical opinion is playing doctor.

The question is, why would you prefer the online play doctor who DOESN'T EVEN have a few pages of text on their side?

Sugar water cured my AIDs.....trust me, I'm not quoting any sources, so you know I'm legit!
 
2014-03-23 10:22:28 AM

Abox: I was talking about folks who don't follow rules.


So... you NEVER speed?
So, you have NEVER littered?
So, you have NEVER broken ANY rule in your life?

/then cast the fist stone, by all means.
 
2014-03-23 10:31:06 AM

skwerl: Lee451: skozlaw: JoieD'Zen: You've never had an emergency call about your child have you?

"When it's MY kid I shouldn't HAVE to follow the rules!"

Right.

THIS. if she had assaulted a teacher or student, the school officials would have been raked over the coals for letting her in without signing in.

How many years do you think it will be before somebody barges into this school and assaults a teacher or student? It simply doesn't happen very often.

The overwhelming majority of 'school shootings' in the last 2 decades are a direct result of school security rules and regulations in place. All of these rules are easily bypassed by anybody with a brain, and the attackers are looking for attention and shock value.


Soooo, you're saying that school shootings over the past 20 years are a direct result of "school security rules and regulations"? So if we just get rid of all the rules and regulations we won't have any more school shootings?

I didn't realize the solution would be quite that simple.

What about shootings at other locations? Are they also the result of rules and regulations? Does the EPA factor into this somehow? Fluoride? Obamacare?
 
2014-03-23 10:32:33 AM
It's not too difficult to check in, and you can save the school a mandatory emergency response.
 
2014-03-23 10:33:03 AM

thurstonxhowell: skwerl: The overwhelming majority of 'school shootings' in the last 2 decades are a direct result of school security rules and regulations in place.

Asking people to sign in directly results in people shooting children. Got it. Makes perfect sense.


Signing in requires signing out.
Start and end times must be a real treat at this school.
MATH: sign in/out = 5 sec/kid...say 500 kids and teachers,,, hmm, over 5 hours for in/out. Gidgetty.

Cunning plans are the best plans.
 
2014-03-23 10:33:50 AM
Aww, decimals
About an hour.
 
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