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(KMOV St. Louis)   Mother rushes to her special needs sons school to comfort him after he has a panic attack. Resulting in a lockdown and the mother arrested because? A) She had drugs on her, B) A teacher has a restraining order against her, or C) She didn't sign in   (kmov.com) divider line 223
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2014-03-23 07:48:54 AM  
Zero tolerance. Follow the rules, citizen.
 
2014-03-23 07:52:28 AM  
Pretty stupid.  The school should apologize to the parent and put it behind them.
 
GBB
2014-03-23 07:52:28 AM  

skwerl: Zero tolerance. Follow the rules, citizen.


Yup.  And when a school administrator makes a minor error, there is zero tolerance against them by parents, too.

Funny how that works.
 
2014-03-23 07:52:33 AM  
So, she didn't have a hall pass?

/SEND HER TO JAIL!
 
2014-03-23 07:53:28 AM  
This is what happens when you put fictitious fear-mongering bureaucracy before common sense.
 
2014-03-23 07:54:37 AM  

GBB: skwerl: Zero tolerance. Follow the rules, citizen.

Yup.  And when a school administrator makes a minor error, there is zero tolerance against them by parents, too.

Funny how that works.


That's just it.  The school administrator was following procedure correctly.  Do the need to apologize?  No.  Should they?  Yes, because there is no way they can win the PR shiatstorm this will generate.
 
2014-03-23 07:55:54 AM  
At least the cops didn't shoot the crap out of her. They're getting soft.
 
2014-03-23 07:56:17 AM  
She was taken to the police station on trespassing charges but Williams said she is a known parent. In fact, she met with the principal on Wednesday about a separate issue.

Yea, that's a good reason you dumb twunt.

So, it's hard to judge since it's the typical "wah wah" crybaby story from a parent who did something stupid and then ran to whine about the consequences in the local media, but it sure sounds like this basically boils down to a simple matter of schools having increased security and this biatch feels like she's too special to have it apply to her like it would the rest of us.

Fark off you self-important jackass. I hope you get some jail time.
 
2014-03-23 07:57:27 AM  
If some random hysterical woman went barging into my son's school I'd want her arrested. My question is why the asst. principal wasn't already on top of the situation and meeting her at the classroom with the sign in form. This sounds like a result of poor communication between the teacher and the front office.
 
2014-03-23 07:58:50 AM  

Close2TheEdge: GBB: skwerl: Zero tolerance. Follow the rules, citizen.

Yup.  And when a school administrator makes a minor error, there is zero tolerance against them by parents, too.

Funny how that works.

That's just it.  The school administrator was following procedure correctly.  Do the need to apologize?  No.  Should they?  Yes, because there is no way they can win the PR shiatstorm this will generate.


They will try. They will throw the "follow the rules" and "everyone signed off" and even trot out a few supporters with special needs kids.

Unless it is sustained, they will fight through the shiatstorm.
 
2014-03-23 07:59:14 AM  

timswar: If some random hysterical woman went barging into my son's school I'd want her arrested. My question is why the asst. principal wasn't already on top of the situation and meeting her at the classroom with the sign in form. This sounds like a result of poor communication between the teacher and the front office.


There's only her side of the story, as usual. How much do you want to bet she intentionally ignored or was hostile to the front office when they tried to get her to follow the proper procedures and didn't bother to mention that part to the media?
 
2014-03-23 08:00:24 AM  

skozlaw: She was taken to the police station on trespassing charges but Williams said she is a known parent. In fact, she met with the principal on Wednesday about a separate issue.

Yea, that's a good reason you dumb twunt.

So, it's hard to judge since it's the typical "wah wah" crybaby story from a parent who did something stupid and then ran to whine about the consequences in the local media, but it sure sounds like this basically boils down to a simple matter of schools having increased security and this biatch feels like she's too special to have it apply to her like it would the rest of us.

Fark off you self-important jackass. I hope you get some jail time.


You've never had an emergency call about your child have you?

Every time I read a story like this I am glad my kids re grown and I don't have to deal with this fear mongering bullsh*t.
 
2014-03-23 08:00:50 AM  
So why didn't principal dipshiat call off the police if the person was known, or at least tell the police that there was a mistake?

If they called her and were expecting her to come in, and not said anything when the police arrested her, well, they're idiots.

Of course, an uncomfortable problem here is that the local area thinks that these policies are necessary to protect their children. Either the people on the board are overly paranoid, or this school has problems already. I'd say those two explanations are the most likely, and both have their own set of unfortunate implications...
 
2014-03-23 08:01:05 AM  
Oh good.  They're starting to eat their own.

Maybe now this bullshiat will change.
 
2014-03-23 08:02:18 AM  
Good, I don't want random possibly armed adults floating around the halls of my kids' school.  I don't care if they are a parent of a child there, follow the rules and identify yourself.  I especially don't care if you think your snowflake requires even more urgent attention then smart kids, back in the day darwinism would have ensured your blood line ended with you so stop biatching else we'll have to revisit that.
 
2014-03-23 08:03:38 AM  

Pichu0102: So why didn't principal dipshiat call off the police if the person was known, or at least tell the police that there was a mistake?

If they called her and were expecting her to come in, and not said anything when the police arrested her, well, they're idiots.

Of course, an uncomfortable problem here is that the local area thinks that these policies are necessary to protect their children. Either the people on the board are overly paranoid, or this school has problems already. I'd say those two explanations are the most likely, and both have their own set of unfortunate implications...


It sounds like a power play by somebody in the office. The mother mentioned being in the school office prior to this; she may have pissed them off then.
 
2014-03-23 08:07:38 AM  

skozlaw: timswar: If some random hysterical woman went barging into my son's school I'd want her arrested. My question is why the asst. principal wasn't already on top of the situation and meeting her at the classroom with the sign in form. This sounds like a result of poor communication between the teacher and the front office.

There's only her side of the story, as usual. How much do you want to bet she intentionally ignored or was hostile to the front office when they tried to get her to follow the proper procedures and didn't bother to mention that part to the media?


It couldn't surprise me in the least. I firmly believe that this Snowflake Generation doesn't actually exist, but what we really have is a bunch of parents in the Self-Important-Jackass Cohort.
 
2014-03-23 08:08:17 AM  

JoieD'Zen: You've never had an emergency call about your child have you?


"When it's MY kid I shouldn't HAVE to follow the rules!"

Right.
 
2014-03-23 08:10:33 AM  

skozlaw: JoieD'Zen: You've never had an emergency call about your child have you?

"When it's MY kid I shouldn't HAVE to follow the rules!"

Right.


Bullshiat, it wouldn't matter if a kid is having an emergency or not. The rules are always for other people.
 
2014-03-23 08:11:15 AM  

BumpInTheNight: Good, I don't want random possibly armed adults floating around the halls of my kids' school.  I don't care if they are a parent of a child there, follow the rules and identify yourself.  I especially don't care if you think your snowflake requires even more urgent attention then smart kids, back in the day darwinism would have ensured your blood line ended with you so stop biatching else we'll have to revisit that.


I hate to tell you this, but there aren't roving bands of armed adults just looking for the opportunity to infiltrate your snowflake's school solely for the opportunity to hunt him/her for sport.

It's hard to believe, I know.
 
2014-03-23 08:12:10 AM  

skozlaw: timswar: If some random hysterical woman went barging into my son's school I'd want her arrested. My question is why the asst. principal wasn't already on top of the situation and meeting her at the classroom with the sign in form. This sounds like a result of poor communication between the teacher and the front office.

There's only her side of the story, as usual. How much do you want to bet she intentionally ignored or was hostile to the front office when they tried to get her to follow the proper procedures and didn't bother to mention that part to the media?


Well, since most schools only have one way in during the day now, and that way has a staff member manning it, I suspect you may be right. I'm sure different school districts have different policies, but there is no way into my kid's school without going right past someone who can sign you in. If you just blow past that person, you are in for trouble.
 
2014-03-23 08:12:56 AM  

JoieD'Zen: Pichu0102: So why didn't principal dipshiat call off the police if the person was known, or at least tell the police that there was a mistake?

If they called her and were expecting her to come in, and not said anything when the police arrested her, well, they're idiots.

Of course, an uncomfortable problem here is that the local area thinks that these policies are necessary to protect their children. Either the people on the board are overly paranoid, or this school has problems already. I'd say those two explanations are the most likely, and both have their own set of unfortunate implications...

It sounds like a power play by somebody in the office. The mother mentioned being in the school office prior to this; she may have pissed them off then.


That also is a possibility. Another one is someone in the office hates the kid and is trying to get them to leave by getting the parent arrested and having CPS take away the child or just force the family to move to get away from that school.
 
2014-03-23 08:18:38 AM  
Sounds like she is a special needs parent.
 
2014-03-23 08:19:42 AM  
If teachers could carry guns this wouldn't be an issue. Farking Libtards ruining America.
 
2014-03-23 08:21:42 AM  

GameSprocket: skozlaw: timswar: If some random hysterical woman went barging into my son's school I'd want her arrested. My question is why the asst. principal wasn't already on top of the situation and meeting her at the classroom with the sign in form. This sounds like a result of poor communication between the teacher and the front office.

There's only her side of the story, as usual. How much do you want to bet she intentionally ignored or was hostile to the front office when they tried to get her to follow the proper procedures and didn't bother to mention that part to the media?

Well, since most schools only have one way in during the day now, and that way has a staff member manning it, I suspect you may be right. I'm sure different school districts have different policies, but there is no way into my kid's school without going right past someone who can sign you in. If you just blow past that person, you are in for trouble.


Hmm, really? I know the elementary school here has a few entry points, but I think all but one are locked during the day. Not sure of that, since I didn't attend elementary here. I know the junior/senior high (combined school) has... hmm, off the top of my head, assuming they haven't renovated anything else major since I last visited, three major points of entry. There are two offices: The junior high office, and the senior high office. The junior high office is generally where people sign in, since the door there is facing the parking area, and also is where the nurse's office for the entire school is. The senior high office is more for administrative purposes and mail for the teachers. I'm getting off track, so I should say that during regular hours, my junior/senior high school should have the front entrance next to the senior high office unlocked, and the door next to the junior high office in the back unlocked. You're technically supposed to come in the back door, but my guess is they have another sign in sheet in the senior high office as well. It's a laid back area, and kids can leave the school for lunch as long as they get back in time for classes, so there's that.
 
2014-03-23 08:25:38 AM  
"I saw a teacher and she said Ms. Williams what is wrong? I said something is wrong with Mikey and proceeded to go straight to my son," said Williams

Yeah something tells me this piece didn't go down quite this way..
 
2014-03-23 08:29:02 AM  
I have to agree with Pichu.

The local elementary has been basically terrorizing my youngest for six months. We had no proof. They sent her home on 2/19 with red fingermarks in her armpits, petechia, and a bruise on her back. CPS did NOTHING. The police did NOTHING. She's 8. She weighs 59lbs. Multiple issues. The worst she usually does is cry that the cafeteria ran out of pancakes, or not stop talking about MLP.

What did the school do? They called an IEP meeting to change our kid's placement and tried to blame it on her rubbing her back against a chair or some nonsense. (No, no clue how that would affect her armpits).  Their response to our kid getting hurt was to retaliate.

/we pulled her out after she came home with the injuries. Homeschooling for now, and trying to sell our house and move. There isn't another choice. An attorney for a due process case here is $$$$$$. We tried to work within the system and thought they were just clueless in the beginning. No. It's designed.
//yes, I'm very bitter right now
///not enough rum in the world
////maybe not enough slashies either
 
2014-03-23 08:30:04 AM  
ASS... BURGERS...
 
2014-03-23 08:31:07 AM  
These people are teaching your children. You should be concerned about that.
 
2014-03-23 08:32:20 AM  

RavenOnyx: I have to agree with Pichu.

The local elementary has been basically terrorizing my youngest for six months. We had no proof. They sent her home on 2/19 with red fingermarks in her armpits, petechia, and a bruise on her back. CPS did NOTHING. The police did NOTHING. She's 8. She weighs 59lbs. Multiple issues. The worst she usually does is cry that the cafeteria ran out of pancakes, or not stop talking about MLP.

What did the school do? They called an IEP meeting to change our kid's placement and tried to blame it on her rubbing her back against a chair or some nonsense. (No, no clue how that would affect her armpits).  Their response to our kid getting hurt was to retaliate.

/we pulled her out after she came home with the injuries. Homeschooling for now, and trying to sell our house and move. There isn't another choice. An attorney for a due process case here is $$$$$$. We tried to work within the system and thought they were just clueless in the beginning. No. It's designed.
//yes, I'm very bitter right now
///not enough rum in the world
////maybe not enough slashies either


What?
 
2014-03-23 08:35:05 AM  

Pichu0102: That also is a possibility. Another one is someone in the office hates the kid and is trying to get them to leave by getting the parent arrested and having CPS take away the child or just force the family to move to get away from that school.


While in general you might be right, I believe that in this school district it's generally well known that none of the families have the resources to move, so it's unlikely that this is a desired outcome, even if it is a "revenge arrest".
 
2014-03-23 08:36:34 AM  
I won't say this is always the case, but I will say 'most of the time'....these things aren't as unreasonable as they seem.  It reminds me of the 'Man arrested for talking too long at a public meeting' headlines that were floating around....but when you actually see the full story - regardless of what side you agree with - have to admit that there was a lot more to the story.

I'd bet money that this lady is a frequent pain-in-the-ass to the staff.  Her special needs snowflake was emotional.  Not dying, not bleeding, not in need of medical attention....her kid was having a panic attack.  And, I'm willing to bet money that it isn't first time.  She even says she 'is a known parent'.  I'd imagine she has a long history of expecting special treatment.  She was there just two days before speaking to the principal about an 'unrelated issue'.

I'd also suspect that she'd be the first to raise hell if she found out someone else was allowed past the school's 'security procedures' designed to protect her special needs child.
 
2014-03-23 08:39:22 AM  

RockofAges: People who hide behind "the rules" are pathetic cowards. My priorities in life are such that "the rules" land pretty low down on the list


Ugh...I work with people like this and they are pretty much responsible for everything that goes wrong.
 
2014-03-23 08:44:05 AM  

Abox: RockofAges: People who hide behind "the rules" are pathetic cowards. My priorities in life are such that "the rules" land pretty low down on the list

Ugh...I work with people like this and they are pretty much responsible for everything that goes wrong.


Yes, and give these 'rules' people a job with a small bit of power and you have stories like this.
 
2014-03-23 08:46:19 AM  
FTA: Michael is Williams' son and he suffers from Asperger's syndrome.

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2014-03-23 08:47:34 AM  

skozlaw: JoieD'Zen: You've never had an emergency call about your child have you?

"When it's MY kid I shouldn't HAVE to follow the rules!"

Right.


THIS. if she had assaulted a teacher or student, the school officials would have been raked over the coals for letting her in without signing in.
 
2014-03-23 08:50:45 AM  
If she's black, then this would all make sense .
 
2014-03-23 08:52:02 AM  
FTFAs comment section, another parent from that school posts:

"First of all that is an out right lie. This mother son is ED Emotional Disturbed and is not Autistic. The teacher did not call frantically. This mother has been an issue every since her children have attended Walnut Grove. She has threaten to stab a mother and has had conflicts with another family which led to the police and the family having a meeting Wednesday. I feel the news needs to investigate before putting anything on the air. Next time check the background of the parent before believing anything they say. She knows school and district policy. All she had to do was stop by the office and sign in. Also her son went outside and played while the police escorted her out of the building. Also the students are on special permission to attend there."

So maybe there's a bit more to the story than simply "Gestapo school agents thwart freedom by arresting fledgling eagle's patriot-hero parent. - Maybe that's why the cops took the extraordinary step of arresting her. That teacher she "met" in the hall apparently called the cops after the mother blew past her and refused to sign in.
 
2014-03-23 08:52:56 AM  

AngryDragon: I hate to tell you this, but there aren't roving bands of armed adults just looking for the opportunity to infiltrate your snowflake's school solely for the opportunity to hunt him/her for sport.

It's hard to believe, I know.


What? Are you saying my kid isn't good enough to hunt for sport?  I'll have you know he's in top physical condition and would make an excellent trophy.  In fact, I DEMAND he be hunted for sport!
 
2014-03-23 08:53:19 AM  

abhorrent1: These people are teaching your children. You should be concerned about that.


I think you might be shocked at how many people are OK with the thought of their kids being raised to be good little automatons.

As long as THEY don't have to raise them.

I routinely confronted my son's teachers and school administrators when he was still in school.  I was always respectful and they never gave in.  My son did learn one thing though.  Always question the rules and think for yourself.  You may have to comply in the short-term, but never accept it without question.
 
2014-03-23 08:55:52 AM  

PanicMan: AngryDragon: I hate to tell you this, but there aren't roving bands of armed adults just looking for the opportunity to infiltrate your snowflake's school solely for the opportunity to hunt him/her for sport.

It's hard to believe, I know.

What? Are you saying my kid isn't good enough to hunt for sport?  I'll have you know he's in top physical condition and would make an excellent trophy.  In fact, I DEMAND he be hunted for sport!


Immediately thought of:

Rabbit Season!
Duck Season!
...
Snowflake season?

Thanks for the laugh.
 
2014-03-23 08:56:46 AM  
How the fark does signing a book keep kids safe AFTER the person is buzzed in?? Do they check ID or something before they buzz a person in??
 
2014-03-23 08:57:36 AM  

proteus_b: Pichu0102: That also is a possibility. Another one is someone in the office hates the kid and is trying to get them to leave by getting the parent arrested and having CPS take away the child or just force the family to move to get away from that school.

While in general you might be right, I believe that in this school district it's generally well known that none of the families have the resources to move, so it's unlikely that this is a desired outcome, even if it is a "revenge arrest".


Or it still could be, with a CPS taking the child away (and out of the school) for a parent being arrested in a school. Remove the possibility of forcing the family to move away, and what's left is, well, worse...
 
2014-03-23 08:57:57 AM  

RockofAges: Fark_Guy_Rob: won't say this is always the case, but I will say 'most of the time'....these things aren't as unreasonable as they seem.  It reminds me of the 'Man arrested for talking too long at a public meeting' headlines that were floating around....but when you actually see the full story - regardless of what side you agree with - have to admit that there was a lot more to the story.

I'd bet money that this lady is a frequent pain-in-the-ass to the staff.  Her special needs snowflake was emotional.  Not dying, not bleeding, not in need of medical attention....her kid was having a panic attack.  And, I'm willing to bet money that it isn't first time.  She even says she 'is a known parent'.  I'd imagine she has a long history of expecting special treatment.  She was there just two days before speaking to the principal about an 'unrelated issue'.

I'd also suspect that she'd be the first to raise hell if she found out someone else was allowed past the school's 'security procedures' designed to protect her special needs child.

Totally possible, but also very well written conjecture.


Agreed 100% - but it's no different than the one sided story typically presented by the media.
 
2014-03-23 08:58:06 AM  

FnkyTwn: So maybe there's a bit more to the story than simply "Gestapo school agents thwart freedom by arresting fledgling eagle's patriot-hero parent.


Imagine that.
 
2014-03-23 08:59:23 AM  
RavenOnxy, what state are you in?
 
2014-03-23 09:00:22 AM  

FnkyTwn: FTFAs comment section, another parent from that school posts:

"First of all that is an out right lie. This mother son is ED Emotional Disturbed and is not Autistic. The teacher did not call frantically. This mother has been an issue every since her children have attended Walnut Grove. She has threaten to stab a mother and has had conflicts with another family which led to the police and the family having a meeting Wednesday. I feel the news needs to investigate before putting anything on the air. Next time check the background of the parent before believing anything they say. She knows school and district policy. All she had to do was stop by the office and sign in. Also her son went outside and played while the police escorted her out of the building. Also the students are on special permission to attend there."

So maybe there's a bit more to the story than simply "Gestapo school agents thwart freedom by arresting fledgling eagle's patriot-hero parent. - Maybe that's why the cops took the extraordinary step of arresting her. That teacher she "met" in the hall apparently called the cops after the mother blew past her and refused to sign in.


Well, that pretty much matches my expectations spot on.  Naturally, she'll do her best to be the victim and the media will gladly play their part because it's a far more interesting story.
 
2014-03-23 09:05:13 AM  

JoieD'Zen: Abox: RockofAges: People who hide behind "the rules" are pathetic cowards. My priorities in life are such that "the rules" land pretty low down on the list

Ugh...I work with people like this and they are pretty much responsible for everything that goes wrong.

Yes, and give these 'rules' people a job with a small bit of power and you have stories like this.


I was talking about folks who don't follow rules.
 
2014-03-23 09:06:47 AM  

Pichu0102: So why didn't principal dipshiat call off the police if the person was known, or at least tell the police that there was a mistake?

If they called her and were expecting her to come in, and not said anything when the police arrested her, well, they're idiots.

Of course, an uncomfortable problem here is that the local area thinks that these policies are necessary to protect their children. Either the people on the board are overly paranoid, or this school has problems already. I'd say those two explanations are the most likely, and both have their own set of unfortunate implications...


How about NOT buzzing the person in and giving them access to the building and everyone inside unless you know who the fark they are??

How the fark does signing a book keep kids safe? If they buzzed her in I hope to fark they knew who she was or the fault is on them.

They called her. They buzzed her in. And, they still had the stones to have her arrested?? Seriously?
 
2014-03-23 09:07:34 AM  
I won't know what to think about this until Charles krauthammer tells me what to think and he's busy with Putin right now.
 
2014-03-23 09:08:41 AM  
The only way into either of my kids' schools is through a glass box like the entries at certain banks. They don't buzz you in, you're not getting in. I do hate that I have to leave my drivers license at the entry just on principle but it pretty much eliminates these situations. I hate that everyone is so terrified of a statistical non-event but I suppose the lawyers are behind it all.
 
2014-03-23 09:09:01 AM  

Abox: RockofAges: People who hide behind "the rules" are pathetic cowards. My priorities in life are such that "the rules" land pretty low down on the list

Ugh...I work with people like this and they are pretty much responsible for everything that goes wrong.


I guess I'm one of the "please follow the rules" people at work. Frankly, people who don't make me insane.

We have rules about where you document any changes you make on a server, including passwords. We have rules about what you can and can't tell a client and rules about how to document any defects you find in our product. When people don't follow these rules, it usually results in me having to do twice as much work trying to figure out what the hell the last analyst did. I guess the last person figured rules are for squares.

Having said that, sure I'd like to punch the guy in the face who complains about which parking lot I parked in or whether or not my shoes are too casual for business casual. Of course, I wouldn't actually punch him in the face. There are rules against that.

/rules
 
2014-03-23 09:09:28 AM  

Eve L. Koont: How the fark does signing a book keep kids safe AFTER the person is buzzed in?? Do they check ID or something before they buzz a person in??


Schools have been implementing, little by little, a system called Raptr. It actually physically scans valid US ids and matches them against a database of sex offenders and others.
 
2014-03-23 09:12:53 AM  

skozlaw: She was taken to the police station on trespassing charges but Williams said she is a known parent. In fact, she met with the principal on Wednesday about a separate issue.

Yea, that's a good reason you dumb twunt.

So, it's hard to judge since it's the typical "wah wah" crybaby story from a parent who did something stupid and then ran to whine about the consequences in the local media, but it sure sounds like this basically boils down to a simple matter of schools having increased security and this biatch feels like she's too special to have it apply to her like it would the rest of us.

Fark off you self-important jackass. I hope you get some jail time.


Die in a fire.
 
2014-03-23 09:14:14 AM  

BumpInTheNight: Good, I don't want random possibly armed adults floating around the halls of my kids' school.  I don't care if they are a parent of a child there, follow the rules and identify yourself.  I especially don't care if you think your snowflake requires even more urgent attention then smart kids, back in the day darwinism would have ensured your blood line ended with you so stop biatching else we'll have to revisit that.


Die in a fire.
 
2014-03-23 09:16:34 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: I won't say this is always the case, but I will say 'most of the time'....these things aren't as unreasonable as they seem.  It reminds me of the 'Man arrested for talking too long at a public meeting' headlines that were floating around....but when you actually see the full story - regardless of what side you agree with - have to admit that there was a lot more to the story.

I'd bet money that this lady is a frequent pain-in-the-ass to the staff.  Her special needs snowflake was emotional.  Not dying, not bleeding, not in need of medical attention....her kid was having a panic attack.  And, I'm willing to bet money that it isn't first time.  She even says she 'is a known parent'.  I'd imagine she has a long history of expecting special treatment.  She was there just two days before speaking to the principal about an 'unrelated issue'.

I'd also suspect that she'd be the first to raise hell if she found out someone else was allowed past the school's 'security procedures' designed to protect her special needs child.


This is the way I imagined it in my head, therefore this is the way it must have went down!

Ugh.
 
2014-03-23 09:17:30 AM  

Eve L. Koont: Pichu0102: So why didn't principal dipshiat call off the police if the person was known, or at least tell the police that there was a mistake?

If they called her and were expecting her to come in, and not said anything when the police arrested her, well, they're idiots.

Of course, an uncomfortable problem here is that the local area thinks that these policies are necessary to protect their children. Either the people on the board are overly paranoid, or this school has problems already. I'd say those two explanations are the most likely, and both have their own set of unfortunate implications...

How about NOT buzzing the person in and giving them access to the building and everyone inside unless you know who the fark they are??

How the fark does signing a book keep kids safe? If they buzzed her in I hope to fark they knew who she was or the fault is on them.

They called her. They buzzed her in. And, they still had the stones to have her arrested?? Seriously?


There school might be different, but at my elementary school, it wasn't built with security in mind.  It's not a prison.  The buzz-in system is, essentially, 'The person isn't obviously intoxicated, nude, carrying guns or barrels of explosives'.  Being 'buzzed in' just meant the door unlocked.  They didn't collect IDs, nobody was stationed in a 'pre-access area' to do authorizations.

There were signs, and the policy was, upon entering the building you needed to go straight across the hall into the main office where the lady operating the buzzer was sitting, and 'sign-in'.  You'd need to say who you were and why you were there.

So, being 'buzzed in' did NOT mean they knew the person.  Just that the person was not an immediate, obvious threat.  And nothing stopped someone who was buzzed in from running down the hallway without going into the office first.  The receptionist/office worker just had a crappy old camera and a button to unlock the door.  If they let someone in and saw them run down the hall, they are supposed to call the police.  Most schools are made up of lots of employees.  It almost certainly wasn't the lady at the desk who called her.

Imagine you work at a school.  Part of your job is to let in visitors.  If you let someone in and they don't immediately follow the signs and come up to you, you are SUPPOSED to call the police and start the lock-down.  Because it could be a crazy person.

So you ring in a lady who immediately runs down the hall.  What do you do?  Hit the panic button, because that is your job.
 
2014-03-23 09:18:07 AM  
*their
 
2014-03-23 09:20:28 AM  

Eve L. Koont: Fark_Guy_Rob: I won't say this is always the case, but I will say 'most of the time'....these things aren't as unreasonable as they seem.  It reminds me of the 'Man arrested for talking too long at a public meeting' headlines that were floating around....but when you actually see the full story - regardless of what side you agree with - have to admit that there was a lot more to the story.

I'd bet money that this lady is a frequent pain-in-the-ass to the staff.  Her special needs snowflake was emotional.  Not dying, not bleeding, not in need of medical attention....her kid was having a panic attack.  And, I'm willing to bet money that it isn't first time.  She even says she 'is a known parent'.  I'd imagine she has a long history of expecting special treatment.  She was there just two days before speaking to the principal about an 'unrelated issue'.

I'd also suspect that she'd be the first to raise hell if she found out someone else was allowed past the school's 'security procedures' designed to protect her special needs child.

This is the way I imagined it in my head, therefore this is the way it must have went down!

Ugh.


That's not what I said at all.  I said that I *suspect* and that I would be willing to bet money.
It's exactly the same as people who are siding with the mother, they are imagining events as they think it would have gone down and deciding how they feel about it.

Nobody knows the actual details of what happened.  And nobody should trust the media to get any of it right.

The only thing that we know for sure is that she was at the school, the police were called, and they arrested her.
 
2014-03-23 09:24:34 AM  
Said it before, will say it again. Our schools have been turned into prisons.
 
2014-03-23 09:26:22 AM  
Rules...i remember carrying a screaming woman into the E.R. Her insides were exploding with a bad pregnancy...i mean she was screaming uncontrollably in obvious pain of 20a on a scale of 10. Desk lady told her to have a seat for paperwork...i said, you do some paperwork i'm going back to the doctors and nurses...the said she could have died if we waited longer...should i have followed the rules and let her die?
 
2014-03-23 09:27:19 AM  

Abox: "I saw a teacher and she said Ms. Williams what is wrong? I said something is wrong with Mikey and proceeded to go straight to my son," said Williams

Yeah something tells me this piece didn't go down quite this way..


I suspect she's conveniently leaving out the 40 decibels, the 5 swear words in the sentence directed at the teacher, and possibly an elbow or two.
 
2014-03-23 09:32:16 AM  

RockofAges: Fark_Guy_Rob: RockofAges: Fark_Guy_Rob: won't say this is always the case, but I will say 'most of the time'....these things aren't as unreasonable as they seem.  It reminds me of the 'Man arrested for talking too long at a public meeting' headlines that were floating around....but when you actually see the full story - regardless of what side you agree with - have to admit that there was a lot more to the story.

I'd bet money that this lady is a frequent pain-in-the-ass to the staff.  Her special needs snowflake was emotional.  Not dying, not bleeding, not in need of medical attention....her kid was having a panic attack.  And, I'm willing to bet money that it isn't first time.  She even says she 'is a known parent'.  I'd imagine she has a long history of expecting special treatment.  She was there just two days before speaking to the principal about an 'unrelated issue'.

I'd also suspect that she'd be the first to raise hell if she found out someone else was allowed past the school's 'security procedures' designed to protect her special needs child.

Totally possible, but also very well written conjecture.

Agreed 100% - but it's no different than the one sided story typically presented by the media.

I do have an additional criticism. You seem to be of the opinion that "bleeding" is a medical emergency (arbitrarily -- many superficial cuts are just that) but that "having a panic attack" is not. I disagree. Particularly when the individual having a panic attack suffers some form of mental disability or illness. These people are not subhuman, no matter how many attempts to push this narrative are made.

Panic attacks or mental health emergencies have long been brushed aside or swept under the rug. I would hope an intelligent person like yourself would not contribute to something which is currently, thankfully, in a state of change. And, as I said earlier, contextually, the professionals involved in this case (the teachers, and the principal) were already well acq ...


A medical emergency is an injury or illness that is acute and poses an immediate risk to a person's life or long term health.

Not all cuts are medical emergencies.  But some cuts are medical emergencies.  If left untreated, is the kid at risk of dying or being permanently affected?  Yes - then it is a medical emergency.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_medical_emergencies

I know Wikipedia isn't the end-all source of answers, but they do list psychiatric medical emergencies....but they do not include panic attacks (assuming the kid was having a panic attack).

According to the Mayo Clinic, these are the possible side-effects of untreated panic *attacks*
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/panic-attacks/basics/c om plications/con-20020825

They aren't talking about one untreated panic attack, but a lifetime of them....
  Development of specific phobias, such as fear of driving or leaving your home
  Avoidance of social situations
  Problems at work or school
  Depression
  Increased risk of suicide or suicidal thoughts
  Alcohol or substance abuse
  Financial problems

None of these are immediate problems that would constitute a medical emergency.  Time was not 'of the essence'.  The kid was not in danger of death or dismemberment.  An ambulance wasn't called, he didn't need medical treatment.
 
2014-03-23 09:34:29 AM  
How come I get the feeling that the retard isn't the only one that's retarded in this story?
 
2014-03-23 09:34:41 AM  

djwebb1127: Rules...i remember carrying a screaming woman into the E.R. Her insides were exploding with a bad pregnancy...i mean she was screaming uncontrollably in obvious pain of 20a on a scale of 10. Desk lady told her to have a seat for paperwork...i said, you do some paperwork i'm going back to the doctors and nurses...the said she could have died if we waited longer...should i have followed the rules and let her die?


I'm all for breaking rules.  The key is, when appropriate.  If you are going to break a rule, you better be darn sure you are justified in doing so.

Saving a life - that's mighty strong justification.
 
2014-03-23 09:34:46 AM  

RavenOnyx: I have to agree with Pichu.

The local elementary has been basically terrorizing my youngest for six months. We had no proof. They sent her home on 2/19 with red fingermarks in her armpits, petechia, and a bruise on her back. CPS did NOTHING. The police did NOTHING. She's 8. She weighs 59lbs. Multiple issues. The worst she usually does is cry that the cafeteria ran out of pancakes, or not stop talking about MLP.

What did the school do? They called an IEP meeting to change our kid's placement and tried to blame it on her rubbing her back against a chair or some nonsense. (No, no clue how that would affect her armpits).  Their response to our kid getting hurt was to retaliate.

/we pulled her out after she came home with the injuries. Homeschooling for now, and trying to sell our house and move. There isn't another choice. An attorney for a due process case here is $$$$$$. We tried to work within the system and thought they were just clueless in the beginning. No. It's designed.
//yes, I'm very bitter right now
///not enough rum in the world
////maybe not enough slashies either


That's horrible. I hope the guilty parties die in a fire.
 
2014-03-23 09:35:12 AM  
If "zero tolerance" really is such a great thing, why bother with school administrators in the first place?  There's no point teaching people to act like machines when actual machines are cheaper & more reliable.  Just replace the administrators a computer & be done with it.

if (entry) and (not sign_in):
  call_police()
else:
  idle()


There, 2 lines of code and I just saved the school district $75k/year on someone's salary.
 
GBB
2014-03-23 09:36:28 AM  

Close2TheEdge: GBB: skwerl: Zero tolerance. Follow the rules, citizen.

Yup.  And when a school administrator makes a minor error, there is zero tolerance against them by parents, too.

Funny how that works.

That's just it.  The school administrator was following procedure correctly.  Do the need to apologize?  No.  Should they?  Yes, because there is no way they can win the PR shiatstorm this will generate.


I don't think the school should apologize 1 bit.
If a parent comes into the school and doesn't sign in, then it's the administrator's word against the parent's on whether or not they were actually there.  Bending the rules for her means bending the rules for every parent and that's when mistakes happen and a jealous or vindictive ex-husband/wife ends up kidnapping their own child against court orders.  And every single time that happens, an administrator is thrown under the bus.  Admin did their part and notified law enforcement because a parent breached protocol and failed to sign in when and where they were supposed to.

Now, should law enforcement have arrested her?  Probably not.  That's going a bit far.  Law enforcement could have written a 30 second report that they were called to the scene and checked that everything was fine.  But then again, law enforcement falls under the same, if not more intense, scrutiny than public school administrators.

The average person always wants everyone else to follow the rules to the tee, but wants everyone else to be understanding when they want to break those same rules.
 
2014-03-23 09:37:13 AM  
As usual the hate piles on the mother of a special needs child. What is it about special needs children that brings out the ugliness of people?!

FFS
 
2014-03-23 09:38:18 AM  

jshine: If "zero tolerance" really is such a great thing, why bother with school administrators in the first place?  There's no point teaching people to act like machines when actual machines are cheaper & more reliable.  Just replace the administrators a computer & be done with it.

if (entry) and (not sign_in):
  call_police()
else:
  idle()

There, 2 lines of code and I just saved the school district $75k/year on someone's salary.


You'd need a lot of equipment and sophisticated software in place to pull it off though.  I don't know of any commercial packages that do it, and the person responsible for the buzzing in probably does a lot more than just buzzing people in.
 
2014-03-23 09:40:33 AM  
This woman is a known pain in the ass at the school. From the comments below the actual story someone said she had threatened to stab a staff member or another parent. That's what the Wednesday meeting was all about. You have to remember, she called the tv station to air her grievances. The school really isn't allowed to comment much.

I'm not saying it was right or wrong, just trying to give a little context.
 
2014-03-23 09:45:14 AM  
Mobobobo your Nanny sign in bullzhit.
 
2014-03-23 09:45:39 AM  

Lee451: skozlaw: JoieD'Zen: You've never had an emergency call about your child have you?

"When it's MY kid I shouldn't HAVE to follow the rules!"

Right.

THIS. if she had assaulted a teacher or student, the school officials would have been raked over the coals for letting her in without signing in.


How many years do you think it will be before somebody barges into this school and assaults a teacher or student? It simply doesn't happen very often.

The overwhelming majority of 'school shootings' in the last 2 decades are a direct result of school security rules and regulations in place. All of these rules are easily bypassed by anybody with a brain, and the attackers are looking for attention and shock value.
 
2014-03-23 09:46:52 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: jshine: If "zero tolerance" really is such a great thing, why bother with school administrators in the first place?  There's no point teaching people to act like machines when actual machines are cheaper & more reliable.  Just replace the administrators a computer & be done with it.

if (entry) and (not sign_in):
  call_police()
else:
  idle()

There, 2 lines of code and I just saved the school district $75k/year on someone's salary.

You'd need a lot of equipment and sophisticated software in place to pull it off though.  I don't know of any commercial packages that do it, and the person responsible for the buzzing in probably does a lot more than just buzzing people in.



Admittedly, you'd probably have to hire janitorial staff to come in (after hours) to clean.  Tests could be by scantron, graded and recorded electronically.  Give the kids RFID bracelets and have them enter through double-doored booths with metal detectors.  Stick a half-dozen police in an on-site station for security.  You really could eliminate almost all humans and human decision making from the entire education process.  It would be beautiful: a generation raised entirely by machines.  Machines that would never kidnap them, or molest them, or generate any direct liability for the district in any way.  ...and obviously union problems would be a think of the past.

Sure, minor programming errors could crop up, but any liability would go to a huge corporation and be averaged out over thousands of districts.  Everything would be predictable, controllable, and uniform.  Kids already spend most of their waking hours staring at computers, so it's not as drastic a step as it might seem.
 
2014-03-23 09:48:10 AM  

Close2TheEdge: GBB: skwerl: Zero tolerance. Follow the rules, citizen.

Yup.  And when a school administrator makes a minor error, there is zero tolerance against them by parents, too.

Funny how that works.

That's just it.  The school administrator was following procedure correctly.  Do the need to apologize?  No.  Should they?  Yes, because there is no way they can win the PR shiatstorm this will generate.


When you explain away bad behavior because it's become established "procedure", you really need to reevaluate your moral compass.
 
2014-03-23 09:50:57 AM  

RockofAges: Big_Doofus: This woman is a known pain in the ass at the school. From the comments below the actual story someone said she had threatened to stab a staff member or another parent. That's what the Wednesday meeting was all about. You have to remember, she called the tv station to air her grievances. The school really isn't allowed to comment much.

I'm not saying it was right or wrong, just trying to give a little context.

Hearsay and rumours are absolutely how I garner my information. Did you HEAR what this crazy cat lady actually DID, Mrs. Weatherbee? I heard she went on the RADIO!


Ahhhhhh.... I got ya.

She probably is a model parent with a model child who is very easy to deal with and has never done anything wrong. I'm sure the school goes on lockdown and arrests parents quite regularly.

The only point I'm trying to make is there are generally several sides to every story. We have only heard one here.
 
2014-03-23 09:52:01 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: When you explain away bad behavior because it's become established "procedure", you really need to reevaluate your moral compass.


Who needs a moral compass when you have rules & procedures.  Questioning rules is thoughtcrime.
 
2014-03-23 09:54:19 AM  
i1207.photobucket.com

a few months in an iso-cube, to cool her heels, ought to do the trick.
 
2014-03-23 09:54:55 AM  

Astorix: As usual the hate piles on the mother of a special needs child. What is it about special needs children that brings out the ugliness of people?!

FFS


Why aren't people questioning the influx of 'special needs' children? What causes it?
No, I don't buy the 'better diagnosis' bullsh*t.
 
2014-03-23 09:56:23 AM  

RockofAges: Fark_Guy_Rob: RockofAges: Fark_Guy_Rob: RockofAges: Fark_Guy_Rob: won't say this is always the case, but I will say 'most of the time'....these things aren't as unreasonable as they seem.  It reminds me of the 'Man arrested for talking too long at a public meeting' headlines that were floating around....but when you actually see the full story - regardless of what side you agree with - have to admit that there was a lot more to the story.

I'd bet money that this lady is a frequent pain-in-the-ass to the staff.  Her special needs snowflake was emotional.  Not dying, not bleeding, not in need of medical attention....her kid was having a panic attack.  And, I'm willing to bet money that it isn't first time.  She even says she 'is a known parent'.  I'd imagine she has a long history of expecting special treatment.  She was there just two days before speaking to the principal about an 'unrelated issue'.

I'd also suspect that she'd be the first to raise hell if she found out someone else was allowed past the school's 'security procedures' designed to protect her special needs child.

Totally possible, but also very well written conjecture.

Agreed 100% - but it's no different than the one sided story typically presented by the media.

I do have an additional criticism. You seem to be of the opinion that "bleeding" is a medical emergency (arbitrarily -- many superficial cuts are just that) but that "having a panic attack" is not. I disagree. Particularly when the individual having a panic attack suffers some form of mental disability or illness. These people are not subhuman, no matter how many attempts to push this narrative are made.

Panic attacks or mental health emergencies have long been brushed aside or swept under the rug. I would hope an intelligent person like yourself would not contribute to something which is currently, thankfully, in a state of change. And, as I said earlier, contextually, the professionals involved in this case (the teachers, and the princi ...


A 'medical emergency' is a specific thing, with a specific meaning.  This kid's panic attack wasn't a medical emergency.

That's not sweeping it under the rug or dismissing it.  Things can be really traumatic and really painful, without being medical emergencies.  When you say things like, 'Oh sure, you can quote medical literature to support your argument, but I don't care....' I don't think that makes me sound condescending or dismissive.  It makes me sound *right*.

Sure, it's an appeal to authority, but we're not arguing logical truths.  Your problem isn't with me, for using the correct terminology, your problem is with the medical field.  If they change their stance, I'll change mine, I'm just deferring to the standards established by the experts.

But, until then....this wasn't a medical emergency.
 
2014-03-23 09:59:23 AM  

Big_Doofus: This woman is a known pain in the ass at the school. From the comments below the actual story someone said she had threatened to stab a staff member or another parent. That's what the Wednesday meeting was all about. You have to remember, she called the tv station to air her grievances. The school really isn't allowed to comment much.

I'm not saying it was right or wrong, just trying to give a little context.


That is either made up, hearsay and rumor, or straight from the mouth of someone who works at the school.

If it's the latter, they're not very smart as you are not supposed to divulge any information that would be in the child's file (the reason for a visit, etc). You can't take a comment and run with it like you did as if it's the known truth, especially when that comment sounds as if someone who works at the school wrote it, therefore setting themselves up for a lawsuit.
 
2014-03-23 10:01:31 AM  

skwerl: The overwhelming majority of 'school shootings' in the last 2 decades are a direct result of school security rules and regulations in place.


Asking people to sign in directly results in people shooting children. Got it. Makes perfect sense.
 
2014-03-23 10:03:21 AM  

djwebb1127: Rules...i remember carrying a screaming woman into the E.R. Her insides were exploding with a bad pregnancy...i mean she was screaming uncontrollably in obvious pain of 20a on a scale of 10. Desk lady told her to have a seat for paperwork...i said, you do some paperwork i'm going back to the doctors and nurses...the said she could have died if we waited longer...should i have followed the rules and let her die?


Were you chomping a cigar stub and squinting hard into the distance when you typed that in your dimly lit, smoky room with all the color washed out of it, you hard-boiled American hero you?
 
2014-03-23 10:04:19 AM  
Last year I walked into my kid's main campus to get a form from the nurse. I walked in to the office to sign in and was directed to the nurse down the hall before I could do so. No one even went with me. Hang on, it gets worse. I asked the nurse for a form that had health information on it and it was given to me without any verification. I contacted the school about it and they keep ignoring me. That health information? It was a screening for which we had clearly and explicitly withheld consent and they did anyway.
 
2014-03-23 10:04:41 AM  

RockofAges: Fark_Guy_Rob: RockofAges: Fark_Guy_Rob: RockofAges: Fark_Guy_Rob: RockofAges: Fark_Guy_Rob: won't say this is always the case, but I will say 'most of the time'....these things aren't as unreasonable as they seem.  It reminds me of the 'Man arrested for talking too long at a public meeting' headlines that were floating around....but when you actually see the full story - regardless of what side you agree with - have to admit that there was a lot more to the story.

I'd bet money that this lady is a frequent pain-in-the-ass to the staff.  Her special needs snowflake was emotional.  Not dying, not bleeding, not in need of medical attention....her kid was having a panic attack.  And, I'm willing to bet money that it isn't first time.  She even says she 'is a known parent'.  I'd imagine she has a long history of expecting special treatment.  She was there just two days before speaking to the principal about an 'unrelated issue'.

I'd also suspect that she'd be the first to raise hell if she found out someone else was allowed past the school's 'security procedures' designed to protect her special needs child.

Totally possible, but also very well written conjecture.

Agreed 100% - but it's no different than the one sided story typically presented by the media.

I do have an additional criticism. You seem to be of the opinion that "bleeding" is a medical emergency (arbitrarily -- many superficial cuts are just that) but that "having a panic attack" is not. I disagree. Particularly when the individual having a panic attack suffers some form of mental disability or illness. These people are not subhuman, no matter how many attempts to push this narrative are made.

Panic attacks or mental health emergencies have long been brushed aside or swept under the rug. I would hope an intelligent person like yourself would not contribute to something which is currently, thankfully, in a state of change. And, as I said earlier, contextually, the professionals involved in this case (the teachers, an ...

No, you're just a pedant, and I afford no respect or intellectual gravitas to pedants. Continue parroting.


^Agree 100%. When you have to quote from the interwebs just stfu instead.
 
2014-03-23 10:04:54 AM  

skozlaw: djwebb1127: Rules...i remember carrying a screaming woman into the E.R. Her insides were exploding with a bad pregnancy...i mean she was screaming uncontrollably in obvious pain of 20a on a scale of 10. Desk lady told her to have a seat for paperwork...i said, you do some paperwork i'm going back to the doctors and nurses...the said she could have died if we waited longer...should i have followed the rules and let her die?

Were you chomping a cigar stub and squinting hard into the distance when you typed that in your dimly lit, smoky room with all the color washed out of it, you hard-boiled American hero you?


His only flaw is that he's just too badass. Well, that and making up stories.
 
2014-03-23 10:06:37 AM  

Tobin_Lam: Last year I walked into my kid's main campus to get a form from the nurse. I walked in to the office to sign in and was directed to the nurse down the hall before I could do so. No one even went with me. Hang on, it gets worse. I asked the nurse for a form that had health information on it and it was given to me without any verification. I contacted the school about it and they keep ignoring me. That health information? It was a screening for which we had clearly and explicitly withheld consent and they did anyway.


So did they find out your kid was actually an alien from the planet Vogon?
 
2014-03-23 10:06:51 AM  

Eve L. Koont: ^Agree 100%. When you have to quote from the interwebs just stfu instead.


The only reason for your post to exist is a "quote from the interwebs". You added nothing of value to it.
 
2014-03-23 10:11:40 AM  

RockofAges: Fark_Guy_Rob: RockofAges: Fark_Guy_Rob: RockofAges: Fark_Guy_Rob: RockofAges: Fark_Guy_Rob: won't say this is always the case, but I will say 'most of the time'....these things aren't as unreasonable as they seem.  It reminds me of the 'Man arrested for talking too long at a public meeting' headlines that were floating around....but when you actually see the full story - regardless of what side you agree with - have to admit that there was a lot more to the story.

I'd bet money that this lady is a frequent pain-in-the-ass to the staff.  Her special needs snowflake was emotional.  Not dying, not bleeding, not in need of medical attention....her kid was having a panic attack.  And, I'm willing to bet money that it isn't first time.  She even says she 'is a known parent'.  I'd imagine she has a long history of expecting special treatment.  She was there just two days before speaking to the principal about an 'unrelated issue'.

I'd also suspect that she'd be the first to raise hell if she found out someone else was allowed past the school's 'security procedures' designed to protect her special needs child.

Totally possible, but also very well written conjecture.

Agreed 100% - but it's no different than the one sided story typically presented by the media.

I do have an additional criticism. You seem to be of the opinion that "bleeding" is a medical emergency (arbitrarily -- many superficial cuts are just that) but that "having a panic attack" is not. I disagree. Particularly when the individual having a panic attack suffers some form of mental disability or illness. These people are not subhuman, no matter how many attempts to push this narrative are made.

Panic attacks or mental health emergencies have long been brushed aside or swept under the rug. I would hope an intelligent person like yourself would not contribute to something which is currently, thankfully, in a state of change. And, as I said earlier, contextually, the professionals involved in this case (th ...


Sure - I'll continue 'parroting' by using the accepted meanings of words.  And you can continue to 'innovate' your own meanings as you see fit.  That's totally cool.  But it's pretty unrealistic to expect the rest of the world to pick up on how you think words should be.  Lots of people are going to continue to 'parrot' the actual meanings.
 
2014-03-23 10:13:49 AM  

thurstonxhowell: Eve L. Koont: ^Agree 100%. When you have to quote from the interwebs just stfu instead.

The only reason for your post to exist is a "quote from the interwebs". You added nothing of value to it.


But playing internet doctor and acting as if you know all from reading a few pages of text and think of yourself as some hot shiat expert does what? On fark it makes you fit in well apparently.
 
2014-03-23 10:15:24 AM  

RockofAges: oldsbone: Abox: "I saw a teacher and she said Ms. Williams what is wrong? I said something is wrong with Mikey and proceeded to go straight to my son," said Williams

Yeah something tells me this piece didn't go down quite this way..

I suspect she's conveniently leaving out the 40 decibels, the 5 swear words in the sentence directed at the teacher, and possibly an elbow or two.

Yeah, real life is like a vigilante movie, a Lifetime special, and 80s wrestling all mashed up together. Was Arnold Schwarzenegger just around the corner, as Det. John Kimball, ready to take down the kung-fu aspie-snowflake crazy-cat-lady warriormama?


It wasn't Arnie, it was Bruce Willis as John McClane waiting for her.

/Now I have a machine gun.  Ho-ho-ho!
 
2014-03-23 10:15:55 AM  

JerkStore: The only way into either of my kids' schools is through a glass box like the entries at certain banks. They don't buzz you in, you're not getting in. I do hate that I have to leave my drivers license at the entry just on principle but it pretty much eliminates these situations. I hate that everyone is so terrified of a statistical non-event but I suppose the lawyers are behind it all.


Your're joking, right?  I mean, it's been a few years since I've been in an elementary school or high school, but you MUST be joking.
 
2014-03-23 10:16:09 AM  

BumpInTheNight: Tobin_Lam: Last year I walked into my kid's main campus to get a form from the nurse. I walked in to the office to sign in and was directed to the nurse down the hall before I could do so. No one even went with me. Hang on, it gets worse. I asked the nurse for a form that had health information on it and it was given to me without any verification. I contacted the school about it and they keep ignoring me. That health information? It was a screening for which we had clearly and explicitly withheld consent and they did anyway.

So did they find out your kid was actually an alien from the planet Vogon?


Not yet. It has been particularly difficult to hide it from the teacher.
 
2014-03-23 10:18:28 AM  

Eve L. Koont: ^Agree 100%. When you have to quote from the interwebs just stfu instead.


I think that's really sad, honestly.  I guess maybe ignorance really is bliss?

What is the alternative you would recommend?

Perhaps you dislike when people quote sources for their claims, because you frequently find yourself arguing positions without supporting sources?
 
2014-03-23 10:20:41 AM  

Eve L. Koont: thurstonxhowell: Eve L. Koont: ^Agree 100%. When you have to quote from the interwebs just stfu instead.

The only reason for your post to exist is a "quote from the interwebs". You added nothing of value to it.

But playing internet doctor and acting as if you know all from reading a few pages of text and think of yourself as some hot shiat expert does what? On fark it makes you fit in well apparently.


Everyone expressing a medical opinion is playing doctor.

The question is, why would you prefer the online play doctor who DOESN'T EVEN have a few pages of text on their side?

Sugar water cured my AIDs.....trust me, I'm not quoting any sources, so you know I'm legit!
 
2014-03-23 10:22:28 AM  

Abox: I was talking about folks who don't follow rules.


So... you NEVER speed?
So, you have NEVER littered?
So, you have NEVER broken ANY rule in your life?

/then cast the fist stone, by all means.
 
2014-03-23 10:31:06 AM  

skwerl: Lee451: skozlaw: JoieD'Zen: You've never had an emergency call about your child have you?

"When it's MY kid I shouldn't HAVE to follow the rules!"

Right.

THIS. if she had assaulted a teacher or student, the school officials would have been raked over the coals for letting her in without signing in.

How many years do you think it will be before somebody barges into this school and assaults a teacher or student? It simply doesn't happen very often.

The overwhelming majority of 'school shootings' in the last 2 decades are a direct result of school security rules and regulations in place. All of these rules are easily bypassed by anybody with a brain, and the attackers are looking for attention and shock value.


Soooo, you're saying that school shootings over the past 20 years are a direct result of "school security rules and regulations"? So if we just get rid of all the rules and regulations we won't have any more school shootings?

I didn't realize the solution would be quite that simple.

What about shootings at other locations? Are they also the result of rules and regulations? Does the EPA factor into this somehow? Fluoride? Obamacare?
 
2014-03-23 10:32:33 AM  
It's not too difficult to check in, and you can save the school a mandatory emergency response.
 
2014-03-23 10:33:03 AM  

thurstonxhowell: skwerl: The overwhelming majority of 'school shootings' in the last 2 decades are a direct result of school security rules and regulations in place.

Asking people to sign in directly results in people shooting children. Got it. Makes perfect sense.


Signing in requires signing out.
Start and end times must be a real treat at this school.
MATH: sign in/out = 5 sec/kid...say 500 kids and teachers,,, hmm, over 5 hours for in/out. Gidgetty.

Cunning plans are the best plans.
 
2014-03-23 10:33:50 AM  
Aww, decimals
About an hour.
 
2014-03-23 10:33:55 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Eve L. Koont: thurstonxhowell: Eve L. Koont: ^Agree 100%. When you have to quote from the interwebs just stfu instead.

The only reason for your post to exist is a "quote from the interwebs". You added nothing of value to it.

But playing internet doctor and acting as if you know all from reading a few pages of text and think of yourself as some hot shiat expert does what? On fark it makes you fit in well apparently.

Everyone expressing a medical opinion is playing doctor.

The question is, why would you prefer the online play doctor who DOESN'T EVEN have a few pages of text on their side?

Sugar water cured my AIDs.....trust me, I'm not quoting any sources, so you know I'm legit!


There's a difference in giving your opinion but then acting as if your opinion is the end all. And no, quoting from text does not make you even remotely qualified to say that panic attacks are never a medical emergency.

Why go to a doctor when I can get some guy with a big ego to diagnose me over fark?? He read webMD and Wikipedia so he's got to be an expert, right?

STFU.
 
2014-03-23 10:36:43 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: So, being 'buzzed in' did NOT mean they knew the person. Just that the person was not an immediate, obvious threat. And nothing stopped someone who was buzzed in from running down the hallway without going into the office first. The receptionist/office worker just had a crappy old camera and a button to unlock the door. If they let someone in and saw them run down the hall, they are supposed to call the police. Most schools are made up of lots of employees. It almost certainly wasn't the lady at the desk who called her.

Imagine you work at a school. Part of your job is to let in visitors. If you let someone in and they don't immediately follow the signs and come up to you, you are SUPPOSED to call the police and start the lock-down. Because it could be a crazy person.


The scenario:

BZZZTT!
[click]"Yes, can I help you?"
"Yes, I'm Mrs. Jones. You called me about my son having a problem"
"Hey Betty, did you call Mrs. Jones about her kid?" "Yeah" [Click] Come on in, Mrs. Jones"
"Hey, Betty- there goes Mrs Jones, who you called about her kid, walking right past the office and not signing in"

Now you have a choice:
A) "She's probably just concerned about her kid and forgot to sign in. I'll remind her as she leaves."
or
B) OH, NOES! RED ALERT!!! A parent (who we called to come here) has not signed in!! Call the cops!!!!12!!


The point is, THEY CALLED HER. They knew who she was (I'm assuming they actually ask "What do you want?" before hitting the buzzer, otherwise- if they buzz in every person to reach the door- what's the point?) So they knew she was responding to their call. They knew she wasn't "a crazy person" or a 'random stranger with guns' or whatever other worst-case fantasy scenario people come up with. Hell, the teachers recognized her! So the 'it was for security to keep out dangerous strangers' excuse is BS.
 
2014-03-23 10:38:21 AM  

fredklein: Abox: I was talking about folks who don't follow rules.

So... you NEVER speed?
So, you have NEVER littered?
So, you have NEVER broken ANY rule in your life?

/then cast the fist stone, by all means.


media.tumblr.com
 
2014-03-23 10:38:51 AM  

Pichu0102: Another one is someone in the office hates the kid and is trying to get them to leave by getting the parent arrested and having CPS take away the child or just force the family to move to get away from that school.


I think you are on to something there
 
2014-03-23 10:43:08 AM  

Eve L. Koont: Fark_Guy_Rob: Eve L. Koont: thurstonxhowell: Eve L. Koont: ^Agree 100%. When you have to quote from the interwebs just stfu instead.

The only reason for your post to exist is a "quote from the interwebs". You added nothing of value to it.

But playing internet doctor and acting as if you know all from reading a few pages of text and think of yourself as some hot shiat expert does what? On fark it makes you fit in well apparently.

Everyone expressing a medical opinion is playing doctor.

The question is, why would you prefer the online play doctor who DOESN'T EVEN have a few pages of text on their side?

Sugar water cured my AIDs.....trust me, I'm not quoting any sources, so you know I'm legit!

There's a difference in giving your opinion but then acting as if your opinion is the end all. And no, quoting from text does not make you even remotely qualified to say that panic attacks are never a medical emergency.

Why go to a doctor when I can get some guy with a big ego to diagnose me over fark?? He read webMD and Wikipedia so he's got to be an expert, right?

STFU.


I agree - quoting text does not make me remotely qualified to say that panic attacks are not generally considered medical emergencies.  But, the people at the Mayo Clinic who wrote the text, certainly they are qualified to do so.

It's not *my* opinion verse someone else's opinion.  It's the Mayo Clinic verse someone on Fark.  That doesn't mean the Farker is wrong, but it strongly suggests it.

But - aren't you doing the exact same thing?  I made a claim, RockOfAges disagreed with me.  We argued a bit and I suspect neither of us have changed our minds.  But both of us pretty clearly acted as if our opinions were the end-all of the conversation.  The only difference is I backed mine with the folks at the Mayo Clinic.  You chime in that quoting stuff is stupid, and now you are expressing your opinion and telling me to STFU.

You can't tell me you aren't acting like your opinion 'is the end all'.

You are a hypocrite.
RockOfAges is wrong.
And I'm a douche bag who enjoys arguing on the internet.  But at least I'm right.
 
2014-03-23 10:46:54 AM  
I actually went to that school for a year and a half in the 70s before my parents decided that private schooling was worth the money to not have to deal with that school's administration.

The school playground used to be on asphalt and I have the scars to prove it.
 
2014-03-23 10:47:21 AM  

GBB: If a parent comes into the school and doesn't sign in, then it's the administrator's word against the parent's on whether or not they were actually there. Bending the rules for her means bending the rules for every parent and that's when mistakes happen and a jealous or vindictive ex-husband/wife ends up kidnapping their own child against court orders.


Did the school CALL the "vindictive ex-husband/wife" and tell them to get the kid?

Then the two scenarios are not comparable.

Because the school CALLED her about her son panicking. Since THEY called HER, they shouldn't freak out when she shows up and go all "Oh noes, someones here!!1!!" when she walks in the door.

Now, if she had shown up WITHOUT being called, and got into the school by means other than being correctly buzzed in, then, by all means, arrest her.
 
2014-03-23 10:47:52 AM  
When did this community become so gung ho about petty rules and busybodies?
 
2014-03-23 10:50:51 AM  

Big_Doofus: The only point I'm trying to make is there are generally several sides to every story. We have only heard one here.


...and what we've heard fits right in with the direction this country is going*. So why doubt it?

*down the toilet, specifically.
 
2014-03-23 10:53:35 AM  
Nope, I didn't quote anything but point out how ridiculous it is act like you're an expert because you read something on the internet and you stuck to it pretty damn hard. Just stop playing internet doctor.

You haven't been right about anything, yet.
 
2014-03-23 10:54:23 AM  
I also like how "we've only heard one side of the story" means we must only believe the exact opposite of that one side.
 
2014-03-23 11:02:42 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Eve L. Koont: Fark_Guy_Rob: Eve L. Koont: thurstonxhowell: Eve L. Koont: ^Agree 100%. When you have to quote from the interwebs just stfu instead.

The only reason for your post to exist is a "quote from the interwebs". You added nothing of value to it.

But playing internet doctor and acting as if you know all from reading a few pages of text and think of yourself as some hot shiat expert does what? On fark it makes you fit in well apparently.

Everyone expressing a medical opinion is playing doctor.

The question is, why would you prefer the online play doctor who DOESN'T EVEN have a few pages of text on their side?

Sugar water cured my AIDs.....trust me, I'm not quoting any sources, so you know I'm legit!

There's a difference in giving your opinion but then acting as if your opinion is the end all. And no, quoting from text does not make you even remotely qualified to say that panic attacks are never a medical emergency.

Why go to a doctor when I can get some guy with a big ego to diagnose me over fark?? He read webMD and Wikipedia so he's got to be an expert, right?

STFU.

I agree - quoting text does not make me remotely qualified to say that panic attacks are not generally considered medical emergencies.  But, the people at the Mayo Clinic who wrote the text, certainly they are qualified to do so.

It's not *my* opinion verse someone else's opinion.  It's the Mayo Clinic verse someone on Fark.  That doesn't mean the Farker is wrong, but it strongly suggests it.

But - aren't you doing the exact same thing?  I made a claim, RockOfAges disagreed with me.  We argued a bit and I suspect neither of us have changed our minds.  But both of us pretty clearly acted as if our opinions were the end-all of the conversation.  The only difference is I backed mine with the folks at the Mayo Clinic.  You chime in that quoting stuff is stupid, and now you are expressing your opinion and telling me to STFU.

You can't tell me you aren't acting like your opinion 'is the end all'.

You are a hypocrite.
RockOfAges is wrong.
And I'm a douche bag who enjoys arguing on the internet.  But at least I'm right.


Hey, hey, hey. He IS a godparent so you should just stfu and take all yer book knowledge and interweb links and get out.
 
2014-03-23 11:03:04 AM  
"Form up in column.  One step to the left or right out of column will be treated as an attempt to escape.  Offenders will be shot without warning."

--customary warning given by guards in the Soviet gulag camps to work detail groups
 
2014-03-23 11:07:34 AM  

JustMatt: Fark_Guy_Rob: Eve L. Koont: Fark_Guy_Rob: Eve L. Koont: thurstonxhowell: Eve L. Koont: ^Agree 100%. When you have to quote from the interwebs just stfu instead.

The only reason for your post to exist is a "quote from the interwebs". You added nothing of value to it.

But playing internet doctor and acting as if you know all from reading a few pages of text and think of yourself as some hot shiat expert does what? On fark it makes you fit in well apparently.

Everyone expressing a medical opinion is playing doctor.

The question is, why would you prefer the online play doctor who DOESN'T EVEN have a few pages of text on their side?

Sugar water cured my AIDs.....trust me, I'm not quoting any sources, so you know I'm legit!

There's a difference in giving your opinion but then acting as if your opinion is the end all. And no, quoting from text does not make you even remotely qualified to say that panic attacks are never a medical emergency.

Why go to a doctor when I can get some guy with a big ego to diagnose me over fark?? He read webMD and Wikipedia so he's got to be an expert, right?

STFU.

I agree - quoting text does not make me remotely qualified to say that panic attacks are not generally considered medical emergencies.  But, the people at the Mayo Clinic who wrote the text, certainly they are qualified to do so.

It's not *my* opinion verse someone else's opinion.  It's the Mayo Clinic verse someone on Fark.  That doesn't mean the Farker is wrong, but it strongly suggests it.

But - aren't you doing the exact same thing?  I made a claim, RockOfAges disagreed with me.  We argued a bit and I suspect neither of us have changed our minds.  But both of us pretty clearly acted as if our opinions were the end-all of the conversation.  The only difference is I backed mine with the folks at the Mayo Clinic.  You chime in that quoting stuff is stupid, and now you are expressing your opinion and telling me to STFU.

You can't tell me you aren't acting like your opinion 'is the end all'.

You are a hypocrite.
RockOfAges is wrong.
And I'm a douche bag who enjoys arguing on the internet.  But at least I'm right.

Hey, hey, hey. He IS a godparent so you should just stfu and take all yer book knowledge and interweb links and get out.


Heh heh
 
2014-03-23 11:09:06 AM  

Eve L. Koont: How the fark does signing a book keep kids safe AFTER the person is buzzed in?? Do they check ID or something before they buzz a person in??


Thank you. Especially since they already know her by sight. Even with her possible history what the hell is signing going to do?
 
2014-03-23 11:16:44 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Eve L. Koont: Fark_Guy_Rob: Eve L. Koont: thurstonxhowell: Eve L. Koont: ^Agree 100%. When you have to quote from the interwebs just stfu instead.

The only reason for your post to exist is a "quote from the interwebs". You added nothing of value to it.

But playing internet doctor and acting as if you know all from reading a few pages of text and think of yourself as some hot shiat expert does what? On fark it makes you fit in well apparently.



You've been caught with your pants down and you should either admit it or walk away.

Panic attack is a real medical thing with real medical symptoms.  It not just "somebody watched a scary movie and they're freaking out".
 
2014-03-23 11:22:14 AM  

snocone: thurstonxhowell: skwerl: The overwhelming majority of 'school shootings' in the last 2 decades are a direct result of school security rules and regulations in place.

Asking people to sign in directly results in people shooting children. Got it. Makes perfect sense.

Signing in requires signing out.
Start and end times must be a real treat at this school.
MATH: sign in/out = 5 sec/kid...say 500 kids and teachers,,, hmm, over 5 hours for in/out. Gidgetty.

Cunning plans are the best plans.


What they could do, and this is crazy, so hear me out on this, is have the teachers take attendance. Then, they could just assume that any child who was there at the start of the day was there either until signed out or the end of the day. They could enforce this through a system of "locks" and "adult supervision". Pretty draconian, but it just might work.
 
2014-03-23 11:24:45 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Close2TheEdge: GBB: skwerl: Zero tolerance. Follow the rules, citizen.

Yup.  And when a school administrator makes a minor error, there is zero tolerance against them by parents, too.

Funny how that works.

That's just it.  The school administrator was following procedure correctly.  Do the need to apologize?  No.  Should they?  Yes, because there is no way they can win the PR shiatstorm this will generate.

When you explain away bad behavior because it's become established "procedure", you really need to reevaluate your moral compass.


What I'm saying is there is the "letter of the law" and there is the "spirit of the law."  The school had an established check-in policy that I assume has been communicated to parents.  Just like it is done with my kid's school.  The mother apparently violated that policy and the school administrator responded.  Do you really think parents would be willing to let the school off the hook if something tragic happened and it was found the staff member DIDN'T call police?  Hell no.

In this case, the parent was known.  Could they have made an exception and avoided an ugly situation?  Sure, and maybe they should have.  But rules are rules, and they are supposed to be there for the safety of all the kids and faculty.  Frankly, if it were my kid, I might have done the same thing.  Only difference, I wouldn't have made a stink about it to press.  The next school board meeting, perhaps.
 
2014-03-23 11:34:16 AM  

Eve L. Koont: Nope, I didn't quote anything but point out how ridiculous it is act like you're an expert because you read something on the internet and you stuck to it pretty damn hard. Just stop playing internet doctor.

You haven't been right about anything, yet.


You are charming and delightful!
 
2014-03-23 11:35:23 AM  

timswar: skozlaw: timswar: If some random hysterical woman went barging into my son's school I'd want her arrested. My question is why the asst. principal wasn't already on top of the situation and meeting her at the classroom with the sign in form. This sounds like a result of poor communication between the teacher and the front office.

There's only her side of the story, as usual. How much do you want to bet she intentionally ignored or was hostile to the front office when they tried to get her to follow the proper procedures and didn't bother to mention that part to the media?

It couldn't surprise me in the least. I firmly believe that this Snowflake Generation doesn't actually exist, but what we really have is a bunch of parents in the Self-Important-Jackass Cohort.


What do you think that pony bag *cough*hasbroprofitedthemost*cough* crapfest was all about. Mommy posted an incedent that should have been handled privately on the internet. Mommy getting the attention being called a good Mom, Mom on Glen Beck with her brave son! Mom and her special little boy getting the praise of being the best Mom in the world by the fedora wearing social justice warriors who think Rainbow Dash is a lesbian.
 
2014-03-23 11:45:33 AM  

RavenOnyx: I have to agree with Pichu.

The local elementary has been basically terrorizing my youngest for six months. We had no proof. They sent her home on 2/19 with red fingermarks in her armpits, petechia, and a bruise on her back. CPS did NOTHING. The police did NOTHING. She's 8. She weighs 59lbs. Multiple issues. The worst she usually does is cry that the cafeteria ran out of pancakes, or not stop talking about MLP.

What did the school do? They called an IEP meeting to change our kid's placement and tried to blame it on her rubbing her back against a chair or some nonsense. (No, no clue how that would affect her armpits).  Their response to our kid getting hurt was to retaliate.

/we pulled her out after she came home with the injuries. Homeschooling for now, and trying to sell our house and move. There isn't another choice. An attorney for a due process case here is $$$$$$. We tried to work within the system and thought they were just clueless in the beginning. No. It's designed.
//yes, I'm very bitter right now
///not enough rum in the world
////maybe not enough slashies either


My son has a language delay, and I received an email from his preschool teacher saying that he has been acting out in class and they don't know how to control him.  Here's the catch:

He's 2.  And the class is for 2 year olds.

She also described all sorts of negative behaviors (like that he doesn't 'acknowledge her presence or look at her when she talks to him') and that he starts screaming and throws himself on the floor.  This does NOT sound anything like my son at all, and he has a speech therapist who says that he is absolutely great when she's there.  The therapist and I have come to the conclusion that the teacher doesn't like him and he doesn't like her...he's never ignored anyone else the way the teacher says he ignores her.

I am currently looking for a new preschool, because I'll be damned if one stupid teacher ruins school for my son when he's 2 years old.  I tried talking to the director, but she was hellbent on defending the teacher's actions.  I seriously hope this isn't something I have to deal with when we reach elementary school, but I'm not optimistic because the school bureaucracy is ridiculous.
 
2014-03-23 11:46:30 AM  

alice_600: fedora


It's a trillby, dick!

/kony 2012
 
2014-03-23 11:49:56 AM  

addy2: Eve L. Koont: How the fark does signing a book keep kids safe AFTER the person is buzzed in?? Do they check ID or something before they buzz a person in??

Thank you. Especially since they already know her by sight. Even with her possible history what the hell is signing going to do?


It's to keep a record of who comes and who goes in at what time or whatever.  It's case someone who doesn't know her face comes in posing as her or her "husband" or a "family member". Also if someone hears about it on a police scanner and in the chaos comes in as the above or as a cop or a therapist and leaves with $200,000 worth of equipment. They got their fingerprints and their signatures as well as the time they came in.
 
2014-03-23 11:58:12 AM  

Mentalpatient87: alice_600: fedora

It's a trillby, dick!

/kony 2012


Meh. I'm going to watch Space Dandy.
 
2014-03-23 11:59:33 AM  

alice_600: addy2: Eve L. Koont: How the fark does signing a book keep kids safe AFTER the person is buzzed in?? Do they check ID or something before they buzz a person in??

Thank you. Especially since they already know her by sight. Even with her possible history what the hell is signing going to do?

It's to keep a record of who comes and who goes in at what time or whatever.  It's case someone who doesn't know her face comes in posing as her or her "husband" or a "family member". Also if someone hears about it on a police scanner and in the chaos comes in as the above or as a cop or a therapist and leaves with $200,000 worth of equipment. They got their fingerprints and their signatures as well as the time they came in.


Okay, but they buzzed her in. What I'm wondering is if there's any sort of vetting process before they allow that person inside the school by buzzing them in?

Do they show ID to a school official at the door or something? I would think that (or something similar) would be the optimal way to make sure those that don't need to be inside don't get inside and the parent/guardian could also sign in right there after entering the door.
 
2014-03-23 12:05:22 PM  

RockofAges: but that "having a panic attack" is not. I disagree. Particularly when the individual having a panic attack suffers some form of mental disability or illness. These people are not subhuman, no matter how many attempts to push this narrative are made.

Panic attacks or mental health emergencies have long been brushed aside or swept under the rug.


Medical emergency is a) are you in immediate danger of dying or suffering severe permanent harm?  No?  Then it's not an emergency!  Due to some family medical issues, I've spent a fair amount of time in ER waiting rooms lately.  The 'emergency' situations people come in with are staggering!  Don't know the actual stats, but at least from my observations, 95% of ER visits (through the front door at least) are things that should have been treated in a walk-in clinic.

Of course, maybe I just come from a time when the entire generation wasn't a fluffy little snowflake that could melt in an instant.
 
2014-03-23 12:12:30 PM  
Then the school principal informed her she was violated school policy by not signing in. " I've already called the police."

She has all the characteristics of a Zero Intelligence school administrator.

/will likely get a raise
 
2014-03-23 12:13:41 PM  

smokingcrator: RockofAges: but that "having a panic attack" is not. I disagree. Particularly when the individual having a panic attack suffers some form of mental disability or illness. These people are not subhuman, no matter how many attempts to push this narrative are made.

Panic attacks or mental health emergencies have long been brushed aside or swept under the rug.

Medical emergency is a) are you in immediate danger of dying or suffering severe permanent harm?  No?  Then it's not an emergency!  Due to some family medical issues, I've spent a fair amount of time in ER waiting rooms lately.  The 'emergency' situations people come in with are staggering!  Don't know the actual stats, but at least from my observations, 95% of ER visits (through the front door at least) are things that should have been treated in a walk-in clinic.

Of course, maybe I just come from a time when the entire generation wasn't a fluffy little snowflake that could melt in an instant.


One panic attack a friend suffered caused her to need to be on oxygen for 24 hours.  It triggered an asthma type symptom.  She's also once had one causing her to think she was having a heart attack. The paramedics thought she was having one too.  The telltales that can be found after an examination weren't there however.

The medicine she's on now cuts the panic level down to below hospital visits.
 
2014-03-23 12:15:02 PM  

alice_600: addy2: Eve L. Koont: How the fark does signing a book keep kids safe AFTER the person is buzzed in?? Do they check ID or something before they buzz a person in??

Thank you. Especially since they already know her by sight. Even with her possible history what the hell is signing going to do?

It's to keep a record of who comes and who goes in at what time or whatever.  It's case someone who doesn't know her face comes in posing as her or her "husband" or a "family member". Also if someone hears about it on a police scanner and in the chaos comes in as the above or as a cop or a therapist and leaves with $200,000 worth of equipment. They got their fingerprints and their signatures as well as the time they came in.


Maybe. But she'd been specifically called by the school and buzzed in. I may be wrong, but I imagine the point of buzzing someone in is to see them first, recognize them and allow them in. If she was some malefactor I doubt she'd sign her real name.
 
2014-03-23 12:25:58 PM  
What a Walnut Grove special needs child might look like

auto.img.v4.skyrock.net
 
2014-03-23 12:34:03 PM  

skozlaw: When it's MY kid I shouldn't HAVE to follow the rules


that is kind of the way it works - yes

Test that theory - touch a kid and see if the parent will follow YOUR rules you farking trollbot
 
2014-03-23 12:44:01 PM  
She screwed up, yes. Sure she should have signed in. Even if she refused to at this particular incident, I don't think she should have been arrested by the police for it.

There is a time when common sense should override bureaucracy. That simply isn't happening anymore. As it has been said, zero tolerance = zero common sense.

Even if you needed the police there to show the mother you mean business, they still didn't have to arrest her.

If you want to throw in the waste of time and money it is for the police department to run charges and take her in, gas and all, this is really pretty stupid.

There were much better ways to handle this even if the media is leaving out a refusal to sign in or anything like that. Unless she was causing a much larger disturbance (keeping in mind that we're being told she was called by the teacher) I can't fathom the stupidity involved in these types of arrests at all.
 
2014-03-23 12:47:02 PM  

skozlaw: She was taken to the police station on trespassing charges but Williams said she is a known parent. In fact, she met with the principal on Wednesday about a separate issue.

Yea, that's a good reason you dumb twunt.

So, it's hard to judge since it's the typical "wah wah" crybaby story from a parent who did something stupid and then ran to whine about the consequences in the local media, but it sure sounds like this basically boils down to a simple matter of schools having increased security and this biatch feels like she's too special to have it apply to her like it would the rest of us.

Fark off you self-important jackass. I hope you get some jail time.


am I the only one who sees a resemblance to the original Donkey Kong in that picture?

i1207.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-23 12:59:30 PM  
I wish we had more details on this one. Like, how does the buzzer thing work? Does it just get you in the door before you have to sign in and show id?

Did the teacher let the office staff know that the mom was called and why? How did the mom react when they asked her to sign in?
 
2014-03-23 01:11:22 PM  

Eve L. Koont: How the fark does signing a book keep kids safe AFTER the person is buzzed in?? Do they check ID or something before they buzz a person in??


The secretaries have a row of photographs and a list of names - of parents with restraining orders, custody issues, and known child molesters in the area. In other words, the "bad guys."

Although sometimes it's in the teacher's lounge.

It's not that you need to sign the damned book, it's that you need walk past 3-4 people who may recognize you and/or remember that you're not supposed to be in contact with children. (Yours or other peoples'.)
 
2014-03-23 01:12:53 PM  

dv-ous: Eve L. Koont: How the fark does signing a book keep kids safe AFTER the person is buzzed in?? Do they check ID or something before they buzz a person in??

The secretaries have a row of photographs and a list of names - of parents with restraining orders, custody issues, and known child molesters in the area. In other words, the "bad guys."

Although sometimes it's in the teacher's lounge.

It's not that you need to sign the damned book, it's that you need walk past 3-4 people who may recognize you and/or remember that you're not supposed to be in contact with children. (Yours or other peoples'.)


Oh - it also depends on how the building is laid out. Sometimes they just hire security guards who DO check ID.
 
2014-03-23 01:19:44 PM  
Is it just me or does it seem like years ago it was easier for a parent to handle situations with their children at school?   Back in the early 70's when I was a first grader my father had to come pick me up because I puked at my teacher's feet (she refused to send me to the clinic when I asked).  My father came unescorted from the office to the clinic to get me and even was able to walk down the hall to my classroom with me in tow, knock on the door and get the teacher's attention and proceed to call her an idiot in front of me with no administrator present (no not in front of the other kids, Dad made sure she came out in the hall and closed the door so that only I heard it).

There were no sign in/out sheets back in the day, just a quick check in with the secretary to confirm that a call had been made and parents could just go on off to the clinic or classroom without an escort; or if there were there for class parties they didn't even have to check in at the office.  When did the schools become a minimum security prison?   FYI I am not a parent and after hearing stories like this I am glad I am not.
 
2014-03-23 01:20:52 PM  
And if that comment in the story about her threatening to stab another parent is true, there very well could be a policy in place that she needs someone to escort her on campus, etc.
 
2014-03-23 01:23:57 PM  

GBB: skwerl: Zero tolerance. Follow the rules, citizen.

Yup.  And when a school administrator makes a minor error, there is zero tolerance against them by parents, too.

Funny how that works.



I've got a crazy ex and a young child with a court order on file in the school office...

//// comes in very handy with crazy ex's. School loves me....
 
2014-03-23 01:24:47 PM  

shlybluz: Is it just me or does it seem like years ago it was easier for a parent to handle situations with their children at school?   Back in the early 70's when I was a first grader my father had to come pick me up because I puked at my teacher's feet (she refused to send me to the clinic when I asked).  My father came unescorted from the office to the clinic to get me and even was able to walk down the hall to my classroom with me in tow, knock on the door and get the teacher's attention and proceed to call her an idiot in front of me with no administrator present (no not in front of the other kids, Dad made sure she came out in the hall and closed the door so that only I heard it).

There were no sign in/out sheets back in the day, just a quick check in with the secretary to confirm that a call had been made and parents could just go on off to the clinic or classroom without an escort; or if there were there for class parties they didn't even have to check in at the office.  When did the schools become a minimum security prison?   FYI I am not a parent and after hearing stories like this I am glad I am not.


I wonder if it has something to do with rising divorce rates and crazy custody battles that weren't as prevelqnt as it is now.
 
2014-03-23 01:33:10 PM  

pippi longstocking: This is what happens when you put fictitious fear-mongering bureaucracy before common sense.


I call shaitnanigans on that. They can't even pretend they ran into a procedural error here; the admin involved knew the parent and so did the teacher. They could have walked the clipboard down to the classroom or waited.

I strongly suspect this was a bored admin who was in a big hurry to have some excitement.

When I was a rescue mission chaplain, late one night we had a bucket with some greasy rags in it catch fire. I went down to the utility room where it was and it was smoldering a bit; not a raging inferno or anything yet.

There was an exit right there; I tossed the bucket out in the back parking lot and went to get some water out of the kitchen to douse it.

But before that I had to stop the resident staff lady from discharging a fire extinguisher in the utility room instead. I pointed out we'd have a ton of paperwork with the city and fire department if the extinguisher was discharged, that it would cost money to recharge the extinguisher, and that it would make a horrendous mess in the utility room and we'd probably have to have it professionally cleaned and inspected by the city.

My boss later said it was of course the right decision, but the staff lady was furious. I think she was just mad that she didn't get to play with the extinguisher.
 
2014-03-23 01:44:10 PM  

GBB: If a parent comes into the school and doesn't sign in, then it's the administrator's word against the parent's on whether or not they were actually there.


The mother offered to sign if they would wait a minute or go get the sign in sheet.

And sure, maybe they really, really had to call the police. But as you pointed out, there was no reason to arrest her.

A kid with Asperger's could be dangerous to himself or others if he has a panic attack; I agree that too many are dismissive of that. And arresting someone in front of their child can be traumatic.

But as has also been pointed out, there may be more to the story. I doubt it, though.
 
2014-03-23 01:45:53 PM  

stonelotus: am I the only one who sees a resemblance to the original Donkey Kong in that picture?

i1207.photobucket.com


[that'sracist.jpg]
 
2014-03-23 01:50:45 PM  
The school could have easily sent a staff member with the mother to get the needed information once she
had calmed her son down. My youngest son used to go into full blown panic attacks during severe weather
(to the point where he needed to have earplugs during a thunderstorm) and we had to do that from time to
time b/c my son was literally sitting on the floor, in a corner with his knees drawn up, rocking and keening
to himself.

Though in my case it helped that the school knew who I was on sight.
 
2014-03-23 01:59:15 PM  

noitsnot: Fark_Guy_Rob: Eve L. Koont: Fark_Guy_Rob: Eve L. Koont: thurstonxhowell: Eve L. Koont: ^Agree 100%. When you have to quote from the interwebs just stfu instead.

The only reason for your post to exist is a "quote from the interwebs". You added nothing of value to it.

But playing internet doctor and acting as if you know all from reading a few pages of text and think of yourself as some hot shiat expert does what? On fark it makes you fit in well apparently.


You've been caught with your pants down and you should either admit it or walk away.

Panic attack is a real medical thing with real medical symptoms.  It not just "somebody watched a scary movie and they're freaking out".


My pants are up.

I claimed it was not a medical emergency.  It isn't.

That doesn't mean it's not a 'real medical thing'.  Wikipedia and the Mayo clinic agree.  The kid was not in immediate danger.
 
2014-03-23 02:01:25 PM  
Also - for anyone claiming it was a medical emergency - why is nobody complaining that 911 wasn't called?
 
2014-03-23 02:03:09 PM  
School admins are just like police. The whole lot of them should be on the unemployment line.

time to start from scratch. Hire new and start again.

how many farkers here want anybody involved in this story teaching their kids?
 
2014-03-23 02:07:29 PM  

JoieD'Zen: skozlaw: She was taken to the police station on trespassing charges but Williams said she is a known parent. In fact, she met with the principal on Wednesday about a separate issue.

Yea, that's a good reason you dumb twunt.

So, it's hard to judge since it's the typical "wah wah" crybaby story from a parent who did something stupid and then ran to whine about the consequences in the local media, but it sure sounds like this basically boils down to a simple matter of schools having increased security and this biatch feels like she's too special to have it apply to her like it would the rest of us.

Fark off you self-important jackass. I hope you get some jail time.

You've never had an emergency call about your child have you?

Every time I read a story like this I am glad my kids re grown and I don't have to deal with this fear mongering bullsh*t.


I have two kids in grade school. I've received the standard number of sick/problem calls over the years. It takes about 30 seconds to go by the office. And everyone at the school know any adult without an ID card or a little printed sticker on their left breast (there's your 30 seconds) does not belong there. It's a very efficient way to ensure safety. The fact that there are no exceptions ensures the safety part.

She should not have been arrested when the cops got there if she explained herself rationally but the odds are high she's a crazy entitled psycho who had pushed the limits many times before and she overstepped them this time.
 
2014-03-23 02:13:10 PM  
There's a difference between...
"Principle, a parent neglected to sign in and is going to see her son in room 222"
"Principle, there's a person carrying something that looks like a gun"

One of those deserves calling the cops, the other a stern warning about the rules.
 
2014-03-23 02:22:53 PM  

RockofAges: JoieD'Zen: skozlaw: She was taken to the police station on trespassing charges but Williams said she is a known parent. In fact, she met with the principal on Wednesday about a separate issue.

Yea, that's a good reason you dumb twunt.

So, it's hard to judge since it's the typical "wah wah" crybaby story from a parent who did something stupid and then ran to whine about the consequences in the local media, but it sure sounds like this basically boils down to a simple matter of schools having increased security and this biatch feels like she's too special to have it apply to her like it would the rest of us.

Fark off you self-important jackass. I hope you get some jail time.

You've never had an emergency call about your child have you?

Every time I read a story like this I am glad my kids re grown and I don't have to deal with this fear mongering bullsh*t.

Nailed it. It's pretty obvious that these people (your critics) do not have disability in their family or close to them. These are the same types of people who manipulate "simple people" and laugh about it later rather than acting kind. I'm a pretty huge dick to the fully-functional (well, actually, I'm pretty harsh on the ignorant / pedantic) but, get real.

People who hide behind "the rules" are pathetic cowards. My priorities in life are such that "the rules" land pretty low down on the list, and definitely well below "family".

Jesus, you used to be able to smoke in school. The only reasons to justify "the rule" are:

A) Think of the CHILDREEEEEN!

B) OMG SCHOOL SHOOTINGS!

Get real. This woman is a parent to a special needs child enrolled in this school. The teaching staff, let alone the principal, should be well aware of this woman. In the real world, when you know someone, and you recognize their circumstances, you USUALLY don't go all Adolph Hitler on them. (OMG GODWIN!).

I bet every single one of the pants wetting cowards hiding and shivering behind "school rules" is 'Murican, because your climate of fear hath stolen your manhood. My kid is in actual distress (not "snowflaking")? I'm there in a heartbeat.

/doesn't even have kids
/is a Godfather, however


It's pretty evident that most of the people who decry theses school rules don't currently have school age kids. AFAIK it's nigh on universal to have one entry point and mandatory visible id from check in. I've been to my kids schools dozens and dozens of times over the years for everything from illness to forgotten lunches to bringing pizzas for holiday parties. You do not go past the office without getting a little printed sticker, ever. It's painless and fast and anyone that's not supposed to be there is plainly evident to anyone they pass. Rushing past the office is an obvious way to indicate you're not supposed to be there. Anyone who thinks these policies are some sort of pointless time waste either hasn't dealt with them or needs to put their kids in a school with a functioning front office.
 
2014-03-23 02:29:21 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: stonelotus: am I the only one who sees a resemblance to the original Donkey Kong in that picture?

i1207.photobucket.com

[that'sracist.jpg]


yeah, not really.  GIS the original game.  the colors sort of match (orange, blue, brown), the stern look on his face, the hand gesture, numbers in the background like a score.
 
2014-03-23 02:34:40 PM  

Eve L. Koont: Big_Doofus: This woman is a known pain in the ass at the school. From the comments below the actual story someone said she had threatened to stab a staff member or another parent. That's what the Wednesday meeting was all about. You have to remember, she called the tv station to air her grievances. The school really isn't allowed to comment much.

I'm not saying it was right or wrong, just trying to give a little context.

That is either made up, hearsay and rumor, or straight from the mouth of someone who works at the school.

If it's the latter, they're not very smart as you are not supposed to divulge any information that would be in the child's file (the reason for a visit, etc). You can't take a comment and run with it like you did as if it's the known truth, especially when that comment sounds as if someone who works at the school wrote it, therefore setting themselves up for a lawsuit.


I have several neighborhood friends/acquaintances who teach at local schools. Everyone at the school knows about every shiatty or great parent. It's the never ending center of water cooler banter.
 
2014-03-23 02:39:35 PM  
Are there seriously people so retarded that they think calling a parent and requesting they come to school because their special needs child is having a bit of a personal crisis and then arresting them because they come is a good idea?

School employees called her and asked her to come. School employees buzzed her into the building and recognized her when they did. The principal recognized her when she came to the classroom.

Yet they still had police arrest her? If you are that incapable of good judgement, you have no business being in charge of children.
 
2014-03-23 02:41:17 PM  

bborchar: RavenOnyx: I have to agree with Pichu.

The local elementary has been basically terrorizing my youngest for six months. We had no proof. They sent her home on 2/19 with red fingermarks in her armpits, petechia, and a bruise on her back. CPS did NOTHING. The police did NOTHING. She's 8. She weighs 59lbs. Multiple issues. The worst she usually does is cry that the cafeteria ran out of pancakes, or not stop talking about MLP.

What did the school do? They called an IEP meeting to change our kid's placement and tried to blame it on her rubbing her back against a chair or some nonsense. (No, no clue how that would affect her armpits).  Their response to our kid getting hurt was to retaliate.

/we pulled her out after she came home with the injuries. Homeschooling for now, and trying to sell our house and move. There isn't another choice. An attorney for a due process case here is $$$$$$. We tried to work within the system and thought they were just clueless in the beginning. No. It's designed.
//yes, I'm very bitter right now
///not enough rum in the world
////maybe not enough slashies either

My son has a language delay, and I received an email from his preschool teacher saying that he has been acting out in class and they don't know how to control him.  Here's the catch:

He's 2.  And the class is for 2 year olds.

She also described all sorts of negative behaviors (like that he doesn't 'acknowledge her presence or look at her when she talks to him') and that he starts screaming and throws himself on the floor.  This does NOT sound anything like my son at all, and he has a speech therapist who says that he is absolutely great when she's there.  The therapist and I have come to the conclusion that the teacher doesn't like him and he doesn't like her...he's never ignored anyone else the way the teacher says he ignores her.

I am currently looking for a new preschool, because I'll be damned if one stupid teacher ruins school for my son when he's 2 years old.  I tried talking to the director, but she was hellbent on defending the teacher's actions.  I seriously hope this isn't something I have to deal with when we reach elementary school, but I'm not optimistic because the school bureaucracy is ridiculous.


My son had a caregiver somewhat like that. We moved him and he's never had a problem in the seven years since.
 
2014-03-23 02:44:02 PM  

Eve L. Koont: alice_600: addy2: Eve L. Koont: How the fark does signing a book keep kids safe AFTER the person is buzzed in?? Do they check ID or something before they buzz a person in??

Thank you. Especially since they already know her by sight. Even with her possible history what the hell is signing going to do?

It's to keep a record of who comes and who goes in at what time or whatever.  It's case someone who doesn't know her face comes in posing as her or her "husband" or a "family member". Also if someone hears about it on a police scanner and in the chaos comes in as the above or as a cop or a therapist and leaves with $200,000 worth of equipment. They got their fingerprints and their signatures as well as the time they came in.

Okay, but they buzzed her in. What I'm wondering is if there's any sort of vetting process before they allow that person inside the school by buzzing them in?

Do they show ID to a school official at the door or something? I would think that (or something similar) would be the optimal way to make sure those that don't need to be inside don't get inside and the parent/guardian could also sign in right there after entering the door.


A lot of people keep saying "buzzing in". None of my kids three schools has ever had that. You just walk in and go to the office. Is that a really common thin now? Is it regional? Only in well off or poor districts? Just curious....
 
2014-03-23 03:09:46 PM  

RockofAges: Fark_Guy_Rob: RockofAges: Fark_Guy_Rob: won't say this is always the case, but I will say 'most of the time'....these things aren't as unreasonable as they seem.  It reminds me of the 'Man arrested for talking too long at a public meeting' headlines that were floating around....but when you actually see the full story - regardless of what side you agree with - have to admit that there was a lot more to the story.

I'd bet money that this lady is a frequent pain-in-the-ass to the staff.  Her special needs snowflake was emotional.  Not dying, not bleeding, not in need of medical attention....her kid was having a panic attack.  And, I'm willing to bet money that it isn't first time.  She even says she 'is a known parent'.  I'd imagine she has a long history of expecting special treatment.  She was there just two days before speaking to the principal about an 'unrelated issue'.

I'd also suspect that she'd be the first to raise hell if she found out someone else was allowed past the school's 'security procedures' designed to protect her special needs child.

Totally possible, but also very well written conjecture.

Agreed 100% - but it's no different than the one sided story typically presented by the media.

I do have an additional criticism. You seem to be of the opinion that "bleeding" is a medical emergency (arbitrarily -- many superficial cuts are just that) but that "having a panic attack" is not. I disagree. Particularly when the individual having a panic attack suffers some form of mental disability or illness. These people are not subhuman, no matter how many attempts to push this narrative are made.

Panic attacks or mental health emergencies have long been brushed aside or swept under the rug. I would hope an intelligent person like yourself would not contribute to something which is currently, thankfully, in a state of change. And, as I said earlier, contextually, the professionals involved in this case (the teachers, and the principal) were already well acquainted both with the student and the mother.


Yup. Having had panic attacks of varying degrees, I can say that some of them can definitely be considered emergencies. Especially if you're in school. Hyperventilating and crying and generally freaking out are going to terrify the other kids and make you an excellent target for bullies, and it's really something you should leave for if at all possible.

/thankfully, mine didn't start until college, so I was able to sob uncontrollably in the privacy of my own dorm room
 
2014-03-23 03:09:57 PM  

FnkyTwn: FTFAs comment section, another parent from that school posts:

"First of all that is an out right lie. This mother son is ED Emotional Disturbed and is not Autistic. The teacher did not call frantically. This mother has been an issue every since her children have attended Walnut Grove. She has threaten to stab a mother and has had conflicts with another family which led to the police and the family having a meeting Wednesday. I feel the news needs to investigate before putting anything on the air. Next time check the background of the parent before believing anything they say. She knows school and district policy. All she had to do was stop by the office and sign in. Also her son went outside and played while the police escorted her out of the building. Also the students are on special permission to attend there."

So maybe there's a bit more to the story than simply "Gestapo school agents thwart freedom by arresting fledgling eagle's patriot-hero parent. - Maybe that's why the cops took the extraordinary step of arresting her. That teacher she "met" in the hall apparently called the cops after the mother blew past her and refused to sign in.


Or that could be a fabricated lie.
 
2014-03-23 03:26:35 PM  
When I was working with kids, we would occasionally get copies of court orders suspending or terminating the parental rights of one parent, or a restraining order preventing a parent from contacting their child. It was up to the front desk staff to screen parents coming in, for just this reason. Otherwise, parents were free to drop in and spend time with their kid whenever they liked. In case of emergency, we would contact a parent, and leave it to their discretion as to whether to come in and take the child home or to the hospital, or to permit us to call an ambulance, if needed.

In the position I was in, I was privy to a lot of information about a kid's family life, and about a lot of things their parents were going through. I have no doubt that the school administration was in the same position in this case. If there's an emergency, and you recognize a parent as someone legally permitted to be there during an emergency, you let them deal with the emergency, and work out the bureaucratic details later. "That's policy," is the last cowardly refuge of the bureaucrat; ask them why that's the policy, and nine times out of ten, they can't tell you.
 
2014-03-23 03:31:49 PM  

skwerl: Zero tolerance. Follow the rules, citizen.


And if it wasn't the mom on campus?
 
2014-03-23 03:32:26 PM  

GBB: skwerl: Zero tolerance. Follow the rules, citizen.

Yup.  And when a school administrator makes a minor error, there is zero tolerance against them by parents, too.

Funny how that works.


This
 
2014-03-23 03:34:18 PM  

AngryDragon: BumpInTheNight: Good, I don't want random possibly armed adults floating around the halls of my kids' school.  I don't care if they are a parent of a child there, follow the rules and identify yourself.  I especially don't care if you think your snowflake requires even more urgent attention then smart kids, back in the day darwinism would have ensured your blood line ended with you so stop biatching else we'll have to revisit that.

I hate to tell you this, but there aren't roving bands of armed adults just looking for the opportunity to infiltrate your snowflake's school solely for the opportunity to hunt him/her for sport.

It's hard to believe, I know.


True. But the one time there is, the school admin will be asked why they didn't stop it.

So they have to react like every unknown person might be.
 
2014-03-23 03:35:47 PM  

shtychkn: skwerl: Zero tolerance. Follow the rules, citizen.

And if it wasn't the mom on campus?


You're aware that the school actually called her to tell her there was a problem, right?  Of course you are.
 
2014-03-23 03:36:10 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: School admins are just like police. The whole lot of them should be on the unemployment line.

time to start from scratch. Hire new and start again.

how many farkers here want anybody involved in this story teaching their kids?


Anyone would end up doing the same thing because of great of being sued that school Admin lives under.
 
2014-03-23 03:39:02 PM  

Stoker: There's a difference between...
"Principle, a parent neglected to sign in and is going to see her son in room 222"
"Principle, there's a person carrying something that looks like a gun"

One of those deserves calling the cops, the other a stern warning about the rules.


Well. Many schools have police on campus. No special call needed.

Second. If the random adult on campus with our checking in turns out to be someone who means harm to the kids the admin will lose Thier jobs. Kids may be hurt and the admin may be sued.

So for the admin, better to err on getting the police involved.
 
2014-03-23 03:44:08 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: noitsnot: Fark_Guy_Rob: Eve L. Koont: Fark_Guy_Rob: Eve L. Koont: thurstonxhowell: Eve L. Koont: ^Agree 100%. When you have to quote from the interwebs just stfu instead.

The only reason for your post to exist is a "quote from the interwebs". You added nothing of value to it.

But playing internet doctor and acting as if you know all from reading a few pages of text and think of yourself as some hot shiat expert does what? On fark it makes you fit in well apparently.


You've been caught with your pants down and you should either admit it or walk away.

Panic attack is a real medical thing with real medical symptoms.  It not just "somebody watched a scary movie and they're freaking out".

My pants are up.

I claimed it was not a medical emergency.  It isn't.

That doesn't mean it's not a 'real medical thing'.  Wikipedia and the Mayo clinic agree.  The kid was not in immediate danger.



No, here's what you first said:

" Her special needs snowflake was emotional.  Not dying, not bleeding, not in need of medical attention....her kid was having a panic attack. "

You framed it as:

  1) Emotional
  2) Not a cause for medical attention

Both are untrue of a panic attack. Then your position kinda... morphed as the thread continued.
 
2014-03-23 03:50:39 PM  

timswar: If some random hysterical woman went barging into my son's school I'd want her arrested. My question is why the asst. principal wasn't already on top of the situation and meeting her at the classroom with the sign in form. This sounds like a result of poor communication between the teacher and the front office.


She didn't go barging in - they buzzed her in, meaning they electronically unlocked the door and allowed her to enter. She went straight to her kid's room instead of going to the office and signing a visitor book. Her kid had an emergency, and the school official who called the cops should be fired.
 
2014-03-23 04:03:04 PM  

AngryDragon: shtychkn: skwerl: Zero tolerance. Follow the rules, citizen.

And if it wasn't the mom on campus?

You're aware that the school actually called her to tell her there was a problem, right?  Of course you are.


And that means everyone at the school knows who she is and that there is no possible way some one else could walk onto campus at the same time.

And if course, if or wad an assailant, other patents would have excused admin for not calling the police because they d understand.
 
2014-03-23 04:05:49 PM  

happydude45: timswar: If some random hysterical woman went barging into my son's school I'd want her arrested. My question is why the asst. principal wasn't already on top of the situation and meeting her at the classroom with the sign in form. This sounds like a result of poor communication between the teacher and the front office.

She didn't go barging in - they buzzed her in, meaning they electronically unlocked the door and allowed her to enter. She went straight to her kid's room instead of going to the office and signing a visitor book. Her kid had an emergency, and the school official who called the cops should be fired.


So they buzzed an unidentified person into the building who went straight for the children instead of identifying themselves.
 
2014-03-23 04:07:25 PM  

Lee451: skozlaw: JoieD'Zen: You've never had an emergency call about your child have you?

"When it's MY kid I shouldn't HAVE to follow the rules!"

Right.

THIS. if she had assaulted a teacher or student, the school officials would have been raked over the coals for letting her in without signing in.


If she had assaulted someone, THEN it would be time to call the police. She didn't sign in. So what? They knew who she was and they were able to talk to her faster than the police could get there.

Granted the story is one-sided, but if it's accurate, the school made an indefensible decision.
 
2014-03-23 04:08:29 PM  
Calling the police doesn't have to result in an arrest. The police officers choose to arrest her. Why?
 
2014-03-23 04:13:05 PM  

shtychkn: happydude45: timswar: If some random hysterical woman went barging into my son's school I'd want her arrested. My question is why the asst. principal wasn't already on top of the situation and meeting her at the classroom with the sign in form. This sounds like a result of poor communication between the teacher and the front office.

She didn't go barging in - they buzzed her in, meaning they electronically unlocked the door and allowed her to enter. She went straight to her kid's room instead of going to the office and signing a visitor book. Her kid had an emergency, and the school official who called the cops should be fired.

So they buzzed an unidentified person into the building who went straight for the children instead of identifying themselves.


She got an emergency call from the SCHOOL TEACHER. They were expecting her.
 
2014-03-23 04:19:30 PM  

happydude45: shtychkn: happydude45: timswar: If some random hysterical woman went barging into my son's school I'd want her arrested. My question is why the asst. principal wasn't already on top of the situation and meeting her at the classroom with the sign in form. This sounds like a result of poor communication between the teacher and the front office.

She didn't go barging in - they buzzed her in, meaning they electronically unlocked the door and allowed her to enter. She went straight to her kid's room instead of going to the office and signing a visitor book. Her kid had an emergency, and the school official who called the cops should be fired.

So they buzzed an unidentified person into the building who went straight for the children instead of identifying themselves.

She got an emergency call from the SCHOOL TEACHER. They were expecting her.


The teacher was expecting her, but the folks at the front might not have been.
 
2014-03-23 04:24:19 PM  

happydude45: shtychkn: happydude45: timswar: If some random hysterical woman went barging into my son's school I'd want her arrested. My question is why the asst. principal wasn't already on top of the situation and meeting her at the classroom with the sign in form. This sounds like a result of poor communication between the teacher and the front office.

She didn't go barging in - they buzzed her in, meaning they electronically unlocked the door and allowed her to enter. She went straight to her kid's room instead of going to the office and signing a visitor book. Her kid had an emergency, and the school official who called the cops should be fired.

So they buzzed an unidentified person into the building who went straight for the children instead of identifying themselves.

She got an emergency call from the SCHOOL TEACHER. They were expecting her.


But they didn't know it was her.
 
2014-03-23 04:28:02 PM  
The admin followed the rule book. Should employees not follow rules?
 
2014-03-23 04:31:33 PM  

Freschel: FnkyTwn: FTFAs comment section, another parent from that school posts:

"First of all that is an out right lie. This mother son is ED Emotional Disturbed and is not Autistic. The teacher did not call frantically. This mother has been an issue every since her children have attended Walnut Grove. She has threaten to stab a mother and has had conflicts with another family which led to the police and the family having a meeting Wednesday. I feel the news needs to investigate before putting anything on the air. Next time check the background of the parent before believing anything they say. She knows school and district policy. All she had to do was stop by the office and sign in. Also her son went outside and played while the police escorted her out of the building. Also the students are on special permission to attend there."

So maybe there's a bit more to the story than simply "Gestapo school agents thwart freedom by arresting fledgling eagle's patriot-hero parent. - Maybe that's why the cops took the extraordinary step of arresting her. That teacher she "met" in the hall apparently called the cops after the mother blew past her and refused to sign in.

Or that could be a fabricated lie.


Cue Giorgio with the Centauri hair...

If someone came forth and verified that she did NOT get a call from the school, and instead came in on her own, then, yeah, the lady's story falls apart and she's batshiat who broke into the school.

But they called her and buzzed her in? Especially with the history stated? Something's not adding up.

I remember a kid got suspended for holding a door open for someone they recognized with parcels in their arms. "Just buzzing in" isn't cutting it.

And the teacher who called? No communication to the front desk/administratiion?
 
2014-03-23 04:37:36 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: Freschel: FnkyTwn: FTFAs comment section, another parent from that school posts:

"First of all that is an out right lie. This mother son is ED Emotional Disturbed and is not Autistic. The teacher did not call frantically. This mother has been an issue every since her children have attended Walnut Grove. She has threaten to stab a mother and has had conflicts with another family which led to the police and the family having a meeting Wednesday. I feel the news needs to investigate before putting anything on the air. Next time check the background of the parent before believing anything they say. She knows school and district policy. All she had to do was stop by the office and sign in. Also her son went outside and played while the police escorted her out of the building. Also the students are on special permission to attend there."

So maybe there's a bit more to the story than simply "Gestapo school agents thwart freedom by arresting fledgling eagle's patriot-hero parent. - Maybe that's why the cops took the extraordinary step of arresting her. That teacher she "met" in the hall apparently called the cops after the mother blew past her and refused to sign in.

Or that could be a fabricated lie.

Cue Giorgio with the Centauri hair...

If someone came forth and verified that she did NOT get a call from the school, and instead came in on her own, then, yeah, the lady's story falls apart and she's batshiat who broke into the school.

But they called her and buzzed her in? Especially with the history stated? Something's not adding up.

I remember a kid got suspended for holding a door open for someone they recognized with parcels in their arms. "Just buzzing in" isn't cutting it.

And the teacher who called? No communication to the front desk/administratiion?


I've only worked at the high school level, but I can assure you that I generally don't need to notify the front office ladies when a parent wants to see me.

Parent checks in, I get a phone call 'Mr. Dodger, your 10:30 appt is here. Thanks, send em my way!'
 
2014-03-23 05:01:11 PM  
Fark Magical Outrage Generator for Struggling Yellow Journos Trying to Drum Up Clicks

1. Write one sided headline on Fark
2. Link to your own one sided story
3. Dozens of Farkers fail to scratch head and say "Heeeyyy sounds like this might not be the whole story!"
4. Suck-cess.
 
2014-03-23 05:09:45 PM  

shtychkn: So they buzzed an unidentified person into the building who went straight for the children instead of identifying themselves.


Why would they buzz an unidentified person in?? At every school I've had my kids in, I've had to buzz the buzzer, wait for them to say "Can I help you?", and then Identify myself and why I'm there. Only then do they buzz me in. It's stupid to buzz everyone in- they might as well not have a locked door then.
 
2014-03-23 05:10:48 PM  
I am in Texas.

Schools labeling children on the spectrum with "Emotional Disturbance" are extremely common. This is so they can kick the kids to ED classrooms. ED - run like a prison system where you have to earn the privilege to say, go to a regular science class, or recess with your non-disabled peers; and where injuries are increasingly common from staff or other students - is much cheaper than personal aides or lower staff ratios for kids with autism.

If you want to read something really disturbing, look no further than here: http://www.help.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Seclusion%20and%20Restraints % 20Final%20Report.pdf

Yes, that's happening. It makes me physically ill.
 
2014-03-23 05:12:12 PM  

shtychkn: But they didn't know it was her.


Of course they did, or they wouldn't have buzzed her in. Or are you seriously saying they just buzz in any- and everyone who walks up to the door- in that case why have a buzzer at all??
 
2014-03-23 05:20:43 PM  

fredklein: shtychkn: But they didn't know it was her.


Why would they buzz an unidentified person in?? At every school I've had my kids in, I've had to buzz the buzzer, wait for them to say "Can I help you?", and then Identify myself and why I'm there. Only then do they buzz me in. It's stupid to buzz everyone in- they might as well not have a locked door then.

Of course they did, or they wouldn't have buzzed her in. Or are you seriously saying they just buzz in any- and everyone who walks up to the door- in that case why have a buzzer at all??


This and this. Logic isn't completely extinct after all.
 
2014-03-23 06:26:56 PM  
Good on the mother for coming to the school when the teacher called her.

75% of the parents of the special needs kids I work with act like anything that happens between 9am and 4pm ain't their farkin' problem...
 
2014-03-23 06:51:09 PM  

fredklein: shtychkn: But they didn't know it was her.

Of course they did, or they wouldn't have buzzed her in. Or are you seriously saying they just buzz in any- and everyone who walks up to the door- in that case why have a buzzer at all??


So they can control who comes into the office
 
2014-03-23 07:01:11 PM  

shtychkn: Calling the police doesn't have to result in an arrest. The police officers choose to arrest her. Why?


Anyone mad at the admin isn't addressing this question.

The police officer could have shown up and chosen to not issue any citations.

Went did the officer choose the arrest the mother?
 
2014-03-23 07:18:29 PM  

Pichu0102: JoieD'Zen: Pichu0102: So why didn't principal dipshiat call off the police if the person was known, or at least tell the police that there was a mistake?

If they called her and were expecting her to come in, and not said anything when the police arrested her, well, they're idiots.

Of course, an uncomfortable problem here is that the local area thinks that these policies are necessary to protect their children. Either the people on the board are overly paranoid, or this school has problems already. I'd say those two explanations are the most likely, and both have their own set of unfortunate implications...

It sounds like a power play by somebody in the office. The mother mentioned being in the school office prior to this; she may have pissed them off then.

That also is a possibility. Another one is someone in the office hates the kid and is trying to get them to leave by getting the parent arrested and having CPS take away the child or just force the family to move to get away from that school.


Wouldn't surprise me, I'm sure the admins at my old high school HATED my parents by the time my bullied handicapped brother and my other brother (who got into a lot of fights/barely passed) graduated.
 
2014-03-23 07:19:50 PM  

shtychkn: fredklein: shtychkn: But they didn't know it was her.

Of course they did, or they wouldn't have buzzed her in. Or are you seriously saying they just buzz in any- and everyone who walks up to the door- in that case why have a buzzer at all??

So they can control who comes into the office


So... they did identify her before letting her in? So they knew it was her.
 
2014-03-23 07:21:05 PM  

shtychkn: And that means everyone at the school knows who she is and that there is no possible way some one else could walk onto campus at the same time.

And if course, if or wad an assailant, other patents would have excused admin for not calling the police because they d understand


The odds of an armed assailant entering a school are slightly lower than you being stuck by lightning or you winning the lottery.  Just like TSA security, it's all theater.
 
2014-03-23 08:13:20 PM  

RavenOnyx: I have to agree with Pichu.

The local elementary has been basically terrorizing my youngest for six months. We had no proof. They sent her home on 2/19 with red fingermarks in her armpits, petechia, and a bruise on her back. CPS did NOTHING. The police did NOTHING. She's 8. She weighs 59lbs. Multiple issues. The worst she usually does is cry that the cafeteria ran out of pancakes, or not stop talking about MLP.

What did the school do? They called an IEP meeting to change our kid's placement and tried to blame it on her rubbing her back against a chair or some nonsense. (No, no clue how that would affect her armpits).  Their response to our kid getting hurt was to retaliate.

/we pulled her out after she came home with the injuries. Homeschooling for now, and trying to sell our house and move. There isn't another choice. An attorney for a due process case here is $$$$$$. We tried to work within the system and thought they were just clueless in the beginning. No. It's designed.
//yes, I'm very bitter right now
///not enough rum in the world
////maybe not enough slashies either


Hugs, Raven. My brother is handicapped and we where in the system for decades, hell my parents had to sue my local school district when they wanted to put him in the ESL class (they claimed it would "improve his language skills"). We had to emergency enroll him in a private special ed school about 1.5 hours away, thank god we had a stay-at-home parent.

My EIP if you want to talk, but I would suggest looking into something called "an advocate", it took some looking but my parents where able to find one who was willing to work for free until the case was won. Took my parents about 5 years I believe to win, but it was worth it even though we didn't get much money (technically we where at a loss if you calculated the amount of time and energy we put in). It let the school district know that you can't get away with farking with my brother and other handicapped kids.

I also suggest you anally record EVERYTHING: every injury, every letter/e-mail (no phone calls, get everything in writing), bring a tape recorder into meetings, etc. You will feel a little insane but you are entering a kafkaesque maze of hell and anal documentation is the only thing that will safe you.
 
2014-03-23 08:30:38 PM  

shortymac: I also suggest you anally record EVERYTHING: every injury, every letter/e-mail (no phone calls, get everything in writing), bring a tape recorder into meetings, etc. You will feel a little insane but you are entering a kafkaesque maze of hell and anal documentation is the only thing that will safe you.


So, anal then.
 
2014-03-23 08:35:26 PM  

fredklein: shtychkn: fredklein: shtychkn: But they didn't know it was her.

Of course they did, or they wouldn't have buzzed her in. Or are you seriously saying they just buzz in any- and everyone who walks up to the door- in that case why have a buzzer at all??

So they can control who comes into the office

So... they did identify her before letting her in? So they knew it was her.


The is no guarantee of that. With more info, We can't know.

What We do know is that the officer wad the one who arrested her. Why didn't he give her a warning?

Why did the police choose to arrest?
 
2014-03-23 08:36:45 PM  

BullBearMS: Are there seriously people so retarded that they think calling a parent and requesting they come to school because their special needs child is having a bit of a personal crisis and then arresting them because they come is a good idea?

School employees called her and asked her to come. School employees buzzed her into the building and recognized her when they did. The principal recognized her when she came to the classroom.

Yet they still had police arrest her? If you are that incapable of good judgement, you have no business being in charge of children.


The police arrested her, not the school admin.

Why did the police choose to arrest her instead of giving her a warning?
 
2014-03-23 08:41:47 PM  

AngryDragon: shtychkn: And that means everyone at the school knows who she is and that there is no possible way some one else could walk onto campus at the same time.

And if course, if or wad an assailant, other patents would have excused admin for not calling the police because they d understand

The odds of an armed assailant entering a school are slightly lower than you being stuck by lightning or you winning the lottery.  Just like TSA security, it's all theater.


The school admin has rules they have to follow or they can be fired or sued.

Those rules may be stupid at times, but they protect the admin and school from law suits by parents.
 
2014-03-23 09:06:14 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: Freschel: FnkyTwn: FTFAs comment section, another parent from that school posts:

"First of all that is an out right lie. This mother son is ED Emotional Disturbed and is not Autistic. The teacher did not call frantically. This mother has been an issue every since her children have attended Walnut Grove. She has threaten to stab a mother and has had conflicts with another family which led to the police and the family having a meeting Wednesday. I feel the news needs to investigate before putting anything on the air. Next time check the background of the parent before believing anything they say. She knows school and district policy. All she had to do was stop by the office and sign in. Also her son went outside and played while the police escorted her out of the building. Also the students are on special permission to attend there."

So maybe there's a bit more to the story than simply "Gestapo school agents thwart freedom by arresting fledgling eagle's patriot-hero parent. - Maybe that's why the cops took the extraordinary step of arresting her. That teacher she "met" in the hall apparently called the cops after the mother blew past her and refused to sign in.

Or that could be a fabricated lie.

Cue Giorgio with the Centauri hair...

If someone came forth and verified that she did NOT get a call from the school, and instead came in on her own, then, yeah, the lady's story falls apart and she's batshiat who broke into the school.

But they called her and buzzed her in? Especially with the history stated? Something's not adding up.

I remember a kid got suspended for holding a door open for someone they recognized with parcels in their arms. "Just buzzing in" isn't cutting it.

And the teacher who called? No communication to the front desk/administration?



Sorry, anyway what I meant to say was that woman who said that that child's mother was not speaking the truth. May have a grudge against that mother and would say anything to make her (the child's mother) to look bad. It's a possibility.
 
2014-03-23 09:47:59 PM  

shtychkn: BullBearMS: Are there seriously people so retarded that they think calling a parent and requesting they come to school because their special needs child is having a bit of a personal crisis and then arresting them because they come is a good idea?

School employees called her and asked her to come. School employees buzzed her into the building and recognized her when they did. The principal recognized her when she came to the classroom.

Yet they still had police arrest her? If you are that incapable of good judgement, you have no business being in charge of children.

The police arrested her, not the school admin.

Why did the police choose to arrest her instead of giving her a warning?


Why didn't the school admin tell the police that she was a parent who they had called and asked to come in?

She was there because they asked her to be there.
 
2014-03-23 10:00:22 PM  

BullBearMS: shtychkn: BullBearMS: Are there seriously people so retarded that they think calling a parent and requesting they come to school because their special needs child is having a bit of a personal crisis and then arresting them because they come is a good idea?

School employees called her and asked her to come. School employees buzzed her into the building and recognized her when they did. The principal recognized her when she came to the classroom.

Yet they still had police arrest her? If you are that incapable of good judgement, you have no business being in charge of children.

The police arrested her, not the school admin.

Why did the police choose to arrest her instead of giving her a warning?

Why didn't the school admin tell the police that she was a parent who they had called and asked to come in?

She was there because they asked her to be there.


We don't know what the admin told the officer. All we know is that the officer chose to arrest her when called by the admin.

The officer tales to her and then chose to arrest her.
 
2014-03-23 10:07:37 PM  
Thanks, shortymac. I might take you up on that email.

We've actually had advocates - we went through 2 on this district. They just, didn't do anything. I think we spent about $7k by the time it was all said and done (part of the reason we have no $ left for an attorney). It was just so frustrating. I do some basic advocate work to help other parents in my area and on the net (for free), but I really only know my stuff to the point that you hit mediation (hadn't been there before).

We got granted an IEE, mediation, all sorts of stuff. Till she got hurt, they took advantage of that fully to undo all we were working on. She did lash out on 2/19, screaming and kicking - because she got hurt. The school's position of course is that she did that just out of the blue, no way did anyone harm her. They ended up not even waiting for the mediator and insisting we hold the last IEP, implying if we didn't show up they'd do it without our input.

They brought in a "behavior interventionist" who did nothing but make everything worse. It's just been a nightmare. He got brought in because she needs redirected so much (her add is *severe*. not "ooh nice pretty special snowflake label", but to the point we're waiting on the ped neuro appt this summer to see if we can rule out focal seizures, which her brother has. She was 6 before she could follow a single early reading page in a book with me). They started this "hold the demand" crap with no counseling, functional behavior replacement, etc. Just "do this". "DO THIS". "She's not doing it because she's being willfully noncompliant". YANK. "Oh now she's yelling, so we have to remove her from the class." Put her in seclusion. "Oh, now she's under a table crying. Being under a table is dangerous. We have to restrain her since that's dangerous." Restraint = major escalation. Period. Hell the "interventionist" told me to my face he had never even consulted with her OT.

It's been really bad. When we got wise and told them they can't restrain her unless it meets the TEA codes.. well, NOTICES of restraint stopped coming home. At all. But dd was telling us they were still doing it. I do think they were, and I think she got hurt when she fought back.

It just.. never needed to go there. I know she's difficult in a regular classroom. She's on the spectrum, the add, Speech.. that's a lot. I really, really felt for her gen ed teacher and classmates. It was the district and administration being asshats. They said she was "too smart" to go into the expensive autism classroom for the low-verbal kids. I still think that's where she needs to be. She doesn't need to be in a room full of screaming kids and rude staff that are going to yank her around more. Gods.

There's a private school about an hour and a half away, but it's 20k+ a year. We don't have transportation back and forth for her either - I need to be in the area for my older daughter (similar disabilities) and my son (epilepsy).

Well, thanks for letting me spill about it some at least. I've met some of the special snowflake parents. They drive me nuts. I'm learning how some of them got there, though, and I understand more now. I'm sure to many of the parents at the school, and the administrator, my husband and I *are* "those parents". But there is so much that doesn't get around from our side. The school can pass rumors on so easily, while I don't have a lot of contact with the other parents.

I worry that's part of what's behind this article - especially the "emotionally disturbed" comment. Another parent wouldn't use that term (it would be psychologically specific from a private dx like odd, or really vague like "psycho" from someone who's just seen the kid melting down. "emotionally disturbed" is a specific educational dx not used outside of the districts). A teacher or administrator made that account or gave that information out to discredit the kid and the parents. There is no other reason that term would have been mentioned.
 
2014-03-23 10:17:58 PM  

RavenOnyx: Thanks, shortymac. I might take you up on that email.

We've actually had advocates - we went through 2 on this district. They just, didn't do anything. I think we spent about $7k by the time it was all said and done (part of the reason we have no $ left for an attorney). It was just so frustrating. I do some basic advocate work to help other parents in my area and on the net (for free), but I really only know my stuff to the point that you hit mediation (hadn't been there before).

We got granted an IEE, mediation, all sorts of stuff. Till she got hurt, they took advantage of that fully to undo all we were working on. She did lash out on 2/19, screaming and kicking - because she got hurt. The school's position of course is that she did that just out of the blue, no way did anyone harm her. They ended up not even waiting for the mediator and insisting we hold the last IEP, implying if we didn't show up they'd do it without our input.

They brought in a "behavior interventionist" who did nothing but make everything worse. It's just been a nightmare. He got brought in because she needs redirected so much (her add is *severe*. not "ooh nice pretty special snowflake label", but to the point we're waiting on the ped neuro appt this summer to see if we can rule out focal seizures, which her brother has. She was 6 before she could follow a single early reading page in a book with me). They started this "hold the demand" crap with no counseling, functional behavior replacement, etc. Just "do this". "DO THIS". "She's not doing it because she's being willfully noncompliant". YANK. "Oh now she's yelling, so we have to remove her from the class." Put her in seclusion. "Oh, now she's under a table crying. Being under a table is dangerous. We have to restrain her since that's dangerous." Restraint = major escalation. Period. Hell the "interventionist" told me to my face he had never even consulted with her OT.

It's been really bad. When we got wise and told them they can't restrain her unless it meets the TEA codes.. well, NOTICES of restraint stopped coming home. At all. But dd was telling us they were still doing it. I do think they were, and I think she got hurt when she fought back.

It just.. never needed to go there. I know she's difficult in a regular classroom. She's on the spectrum, the add, Speech.. that's a lot. I really, really felt for her gen ed teacher and classmates. It was the district and administration being asshats. They said she was "too smart" to go into the expensive autism classroom for the low-verbal kids. I still think that's where she needs to be. She doesn't need to be in a room full of screaming kids and rude staff that are going to yank her around more. Gods.

There's a private school about an hour and a half away, but it's 20k+ a year. We don't have transportation back and forth for her either - I need to be in the area for my older daughter (similar disabilities) and my son (epilepsy).

Well, thanks for letting me spill about it some at least. I've met some of the special snowflake parents. They drive me nuts. I'm learning how some of them got there, though, and I understand more now. I'm sure to many of the parents at the school, and the administrator, my husband and I *are* "those parents". But there is so much that doesn't get around from our side. The school can pass rumors on so easily, while I don't have a lot of contact with the other parents.

I worry that's part of what's behind this article - especially the "emotionally disturbed" comment. Another parent wouldn't use that term (it would be psychologically specific from a private dx like odd, or really vague like "psycho" from someone who's just seen the kid melting down. "emotionally disturbed" is a specific educational dx not used outside of the districts). A teacher or administrator made that account or gave that information out to discredit the kid and the parents. There is no other reason that term would have been mentioned.


Interesting read.

The school doesn't have a separate SPED clad that can she could be in?

You should really look into hiring a child advocate to attend IEP meetings with you. For most they are a waste of money. But they can help make sure the school works with you, not against you.
 
2014-03-23 10:40:15 PM  
Sorry, already stated - we worked with *two* advocates in this situation. It cost $7k (over the course of a year). I think advocates are great, but in the end, all they can advise you is to where to file complaints and how, and what your rights are. They are not attorneys. In the end, for us, they weren't even really cheaper than an attorney if we'd gone that route first.

I will grant you that parents who've never "been there" before would have gotten a lot of knowledge and such from the advocates in our situation. In our case, we already know that information. We would probably learn a lot from one taking us through due process; unfortunately, that starts at $2500. Again, not much cheaper than an attorney, and it's because it IS involved and takes a lot of time.

I know it sounds like I'm begrudging them the fee, and I don't. The only ill will I have is to the school, which dragged one IEP meeting through 4 reconventions, stringing us along to drain us financially (with an advocate) and then putting us in a position where we didn't have more money to continue paying one when we really needed it (due process).

And the rub is that I'm oh so very happy that my property taxes are paying for these same administrators and their advising lawyers to DO this to us in the first place! *headdesk*
 
2014-03-23 11:01:53 PM  

RavenOnyx: Sorry, already stated - we worked with *two* advocates in this situation. It cost $7k (over the course of a year). I think advocates are great, but in the end, all they can advise you is to where to file complaints and how, and what your rights are. They are not attorneys. In the end, for us, they weren't even really cheaper than an attorney if we'd gone that route first.

I will grant you that parents who've never "been there" before would have gotten a lot of knowledge and such from the advocates in our situation. In our case, we already know that information. We would probably learn a lot from one taking us through due process; unfortunately, that starts at $2500. Again, not much cheaper than an attorney, and it's because it IS involved and takes a lot of time.

I know it sounds like I'm begrudging them the fee, and I don't. The only ill will I have is to the school, which dragged one IEP meeting through 4 reconventions, stringing us along to drain us financially (with an advocate) and then putting us in a position where we didn't have more money to continue paying one when we really needed it (due process).

And the rub is that I'm oh so very happy that my property taxes are paying for these same administrators and their advising lawyers to DO this to us in the first place! *headdesk*


A legal remedy might be your only option. If your child can't be main steamed and they don't have the facilities to teach her in a smaller environment then the school is legally responsible to pay to send her to a school that can meet her needs.
 
2014-03-23 11:28:02 PM  

digitalrain: Though in my case it helped that the school knew who I was on sight


it seems they knew this time too
 
2014-03-23 11:30:58 PM  

shtychkn: BullBearMS: shtychkn: BullBearMS: Are there seriously people so retarded that they think calling a parent and requesting they come to school because their special needs child is having a bit of a personal crisis and then arresting them because they come is a good idea?

School employees called her and asked her to come. School employees buzzed her into the building and recognized her when they did. The principal recognized her when she came to the classroom.

Yet they still had police arrest her? If you are that incapable of good judgement, you have no business being in charge of children.

The police arrested her, not the school admin.

Why did the police choose to arrest her instead of giving her a warning?

Why didn't the school admin tell the police that she was a parent who they had called and asked to come in?

She was there because they asked her to be there.

We don't know what the admin told the officer. All we know is that the officer chose to arrest her when called by the admin.

The officer tales to her and then chose to arrest her.


We know exactly what the Administrator did NOT tell the officer.

"We made a mistake and should not have called you. This person is a parent who we called and asked to come here."

It sounds to me like the Administrator was pissed off because someone didn't sufficiently bow down and respect their authoratah.

This should be grounds for dismissal. Anyone whose judgement is so poor should not be allowed to work around children.
 
2014-03-23 11:46:25 PM  

BullBearMS: shtychkn: BullBearMS: shtychkn: BullBearMS: Are there seriously people so retarded that they think calling a parent and requesting they come to school because their special needs child is having a bit of a personal crisis and then arresting them because they come is a good idea?

School employees called her and asked her to come. School employees buzzed her into the building and recognized her when they did. The principal recognized her when she came to the classroom.

Yet they still had police arrest her? If you are that incapable of good judgement, you have no business being in charge of children.

The police arrested her, not the school admin.

Why did the police choose to arrest her instead of giving her a warning?

Why didn't the school admin tell the police that she was a parent who they had called and asked to come in?

She was there because they asked her to be there.

We don't know what the admin told the officer. All we know is that the officer chose to arrest her when called by the admin.

The officer tales to her and then chose to arrest her.

We know exactly what the Administrator did NOT tell the officer.

"We made a mistake and should not have called you. This person is a parent who we called and asked to come here."

It sounds to me like the Administrator was pissed off because someone didn't sufficiently bow down and respect their authoratah.

This should be grounds for dismissal. Anyone whose judgement is so poor should not be allowed to work around children.


Doesn't matter how mad the admin is, the cop still had to choose to arrest her or not.

Plus, you don't know what they said or didn't. You choose to blame the admin but excuse the cop who actually did the arrest and is the only one who had the ability to make a decision. The admin followed their rule book.
 
2014-03-23 11:48:39 PM  

BullBearMS: shtychkn: BullBearMS: shtychkn: BullBearMS: Are there seriously people so retarded that they think calling a parent and requesting they come to school because their special needs child is having a bit of a personal crisis and then arresting them because they come is a good idea?

School employees called her and asked her to come. School employees buzzed her into the building and recognized her when they did. The principal recognized her when she came to the classroom.

Yet they still had police arrest her? If you are that incapable of good judgement, you have no business being in charge of children.

The police arrested her, not the school admin.

Why did the police choose to arrest her instead of giving her a warning?

Why didn't the school admin tell the police that she was a parent who they had called and asked to come in?

She was there because they asked her to be there.

We don't know what the admin told the officer. All we know is that the officer chose to arrest her when called by the admin.

The officer tales to her and then chose to arrest her.

We know exactly what the Administrator did NOT tell the officer.

"We made a mistake and should not have called you. This person is a parent who we called and asked to come here."

It sounds to me like the Administrator was pissed off because someone didn't sufficiently bow down and respect their authoratah.

This should be grounds for dismissal. Anyone whose judgement is so poor should not be allowed to work around children.


Your calling for dismissal and parents surfing the schools is why admin CANT make decisions.

They follow a rule book so they can't be fired or sued when people are unhappy with what happens.
 
2014-03-24 01:07:39 AM  
When did farkers become so retarded?

She was taken to the police station on trespassing charges

All the administrator had to do was inform the police that a mistake had been made and that this was a parent they had called and asked to come in and not a "trespasser".

People as stupid as this administrator cannot be trusted with children and absolutely deserve to be removed from any position of authority.

The mother really should go after them for false arrest as well.
 
2014-03-24 02:37:17 AM  
I'm just glad the race card wasn't played in this fiasco.
 
2014-03-24 03:17:22 AM  
She was called to the school, by the school and she was buzzed in...   she wasn't trespassing.
It seems many of you are tripping over her skin-color.
 
2014-03-24 05:17:29 AM  

skozlaw: She was taken to the police station on trespassing charges but Williams said she is a known parent. In fact, she met with the principal on Wednesday about a separate issue.

Yea, that's a good reason you dumb twunt.

So, it's hard to judge since it's the typical "wah wah" crybaby story from a parent who did something stupid and then ran to whine about the consequences in the local media, but it sure sounds like this basically boils down to a simple matter of schools having increased security and this biatch feels like she's too special to have it apply to her like it would the rest of us.

Fark off you self-important jackass. I hope you get some jail time.


If you read the comments, it seems that someone from the school may have broken the law. First, precious snowflake isn't classified autistic by doctors, he's classified as emotionally disturbed or something along those lines (I forgot already, but if the commenter works for the school, she broke the law by revealing that). Second, and more importantly, mom who ran right to the press did see the principal--along with the police--Wednesday on a separate issue: she threatened to stab the parent of another student at the same school, and apparently her kid(s) go to this school on some kind of special dispensation as it is (or were permitted to continue going there despite the incident) and mom has been a complete problem child since the kids started going there (though, admittedly, a school's definition of a problem parent and a normal person's definition are not always the same thing).

This is, of course, assuming that whoever wrote that comment is to be believed... because "my kid is special needs due to autism" generates headlines and outrage a whole lot easier than "my kid needs a therapist because I'm a shiatty parent who threatens to stab people," but "holy shiat, this is going to be a public relations nightmare, do some damage control--quick!" is a motivational tool like no other in these cases, too.

If the kid is indeed autistic, then yes, the principal went overboard. If the kid has emotional problems because mom is a psycho, the kid needs therapy--preferably outside of mom's control--to learn how normal people react and respond to things. And yes, my mother was a psycho (and still is), and yes, every last one of her children has had extensive therapy to learn that screaming and throwing/breaking things (or people) is absolutely NOT a normal reaction to breaking a shoelace, not being able to find your keys, or just generally having a bad day, so I do believe it's possible for a crazy person to fark their kid up at a young age.

Still, before getting outraged, I try to keep in mind the cases of gay harassment and disability harassment in the past year alone that turned out to be either complete hoaxes or had far more to the story than people were initially led to believe. The principal could be a complete "zero tolerance" dipshiat... or the mother could be a nutcase playing games, figuring if she cries "harassment" to the press, her behavior won't get her kid(s) kicked out of school.
 
2014-03-24 07:15:13 AM  

newton: It seems many of you are tripping over her skin-color.


yeah?  please, point a few out.
 
2014-03-24 09:09:42 AM  

shtychkn: AngryDragon: shtychkn: And that means everyone at the school knows who she is and that there is no possible way some one else could walk onto campus at the same time.

And if course, if or wad an assailant, other patents would have excused admin for not calling the police because they d understand

The odds of an armed assailant entering a school are slightly lower than you being stuck by lightning or you winning the lottery.  Just like TSA security, it's all theater.

The school admin has rules they have to follow or they can be fired or sued.

Those rules may be stupid at times, but they protect the admin and school from law suits by parents.


My disgust is for the rules, not the people afraid to lose their jobs because of them in this case.  Individual teachers aren't making the rules.  At least I hope not.
 
2014-03-24 09:35:04 AM  

AngryDragon: shtychkn: AngryDragon: shtychkn: And that means everyone at the school knows who she is and that there is no possible way some one else could walk onto campus at the same time.

And if course, if or wad an assailant, other patents would have excused admin for not calling the police because they d understand

The odds of an armed assailant entering a school are slightly lower than you being stuck by lightning or you winning the lottery.  Just like TSA security, it's all theater.

The school admin has rules they have to follow or they can be fired or sued.

Those rules may be stupid at times, but they protect the admin and school from law suits by parents.

My disgust is for the rules, not the people afraid to lose their jobs because of them in this case.  Individual teachers aren't making the rules.  At least I hope not.


School admin isn't either. Rule come from the district.
 
2014-03-24 09:36:17 AM  

RockofAges: oldsbone: Abox: "I saw a teacher and she said Ms. Williams what is wrong? I said something is wrong with Mikey and proceeded to go straight to my son," said Williams

Yeah something tells me this piece didn't go down quite this way..

I suspect she's conveniently leaving out the 40 decibels, the 5 swear words in the sentence directed at the teacher, and possibly an elbow or two.

Yeah, real life is like a vigilante movie, a Lifetime special, and 80s wrestling all mashed up together. Was Arnold Schwarzenegger just around the corner, as Det. John Kimball, ready to take down the kung-fu aspie-snowflake crazy-cat-lady warriormama?



of course not.  he was in the library.

addy2: Eve L. Koont: How the fark does signing a book keep kids safe AFTER the person is buzzed in?? Do they check ID or something before they buzz a person in??

Thank you. Especially since they already know her by sight. Even with her possible history what the hell is signing going to do?


keep the people in the front office from calling the cops...  here's something to think about.  there's a child who is currently in shared custody during a bitter divorce, and there's a (non-life-threatening) emergency with that child.  both parents will be notified unless one of the parents has only been given visitation rights...
now it's a race to see who gets to the kid first.  if the one who only has visitation rights gets there first, goes right to the kid, and takes off again, the school has now facilitated a kidnapping because someone they contacted and expected exploited a window of opportunity...  this is not to say that the non-custodial parent couldn't take a minute or two to sign in, but that signature is REALLY important when the custodial parent launches a civil suit claiming the school just allowed the other parent to run off with the kid...
 
2014-03-24 10:34:23 AM  

RockofAges: JoieD'Zen: skozlaw: She was taken to the police station on trespassing charges but Williams said she is a known parent. In fact, she met with the principal on Wednesday about a separate issue.

Yea, that's a good reason you dumb twunt.

So, it's hard to judge since it's the typical "wah wah" crybaby story from a parent who did something stupid and then ran to whine about the consequences in the local media, but it sure sounds like this basically boils down to a simple matter of schools having increased security and this biatch feels like she's too special to have it apply to her like it would the rest of us.

Fark off you self-important jackass. I hope you get some jail time.

You've never had an emergency call about your child have you?

Every time I read a story like this I am glad my kids re grown and I don't have to deal with this fear mongering bullsh*t.

Nailed it. It's pretty obvious that these people (your critics) do not have disability in their family or close to them. These are the same types of people who manipulate "simple people" and laugh about it later rather than acting kind. I'm a pretty huge dick to the fully-functional (well, actually, I'm pretty harsh on the ignorant / pedantic) but, get real.

People who hide behind "the rules" are pathetic cowards. My priorities in life are such that "the rules" land pretty low down on the list, and definitely well below "family".

Jesus, you used to be able to smoke in school. The only reasons to justify "the rule" are:

A) Think of the CHILDREEEEEN!

B) OMG SCHOOL SHOOTINGS!

Get real. This woman is a parent to a special needs child enrolled in this school. The teaching staff, let alone the principal, should be well aware of this woman. In the real world, when you know someone, and you recognize their circumstances, you USUALLY don't go all Adolph Hitler on them. (OMG GODWIN!).

I bet every single one of the pants wetting cowards hiding and shivering behind "school rules" is 'Murican, because your climate of ...


I agree with all of this, but as the comment upthread stated, zero tolerance works both ways (it actually only used to work the opposite way we think it works now).  The first incident of a kid being put in jeopardy by an unauthorized person in the school would result in the school system being sued out of existence.  What are they supposed to do?
 
2014-03-24 11:15:03 AM  

wambu: Then the school principal informed her she was violated school policy by not signing in. " I've already called the police."

She has all the characteristics of a Zero Intelligence school administrator.

/will likely get a raise


oh, THIS is a good one...  how much would you like to bet that part of that other meeting involved the administrator telling her "you can't just come storming in here unless there's a PHYSICAL medical emergency... if we contact you we will be ready with everything necessary, but those thirty seconds to sign and date that form ARE important, to more than just us, and not doing it will result in SOP being followed, including police notification"

Hoblit: She screwed up, yes. Sure she should have signed in. Even if she refused to at this particular incident, I don't think she should have been arrested by the police for it.

There is a time when common sense should override bureaucracy. That simply isn't happening anymore. As it has been said, zero tolerance = zero common sense.

Even if you needed the police there to show the mother you mean business, they still didn't have to arrest her.

If you want to throw in the waste of time and money it is for the police department to run charges and take her in, gas and all, this is really pretty stupid.

There were much better ways to handle this even if the media is leaving out a refusal to sign in or anything like that. Unless she was causing a much larger disturbance (keeping in mind that we're being told she was called by the teacher) I can't fathom the stupidity involved in these types of arrests at all.


not even if she refuses to at every particular incident?  all we know is this story.  what if this is incident TWELVE, and the school is saying quite simply, "ma'am, we do take care to provide for our special needs students... you, however are being a special needs PARENT, and since you are not one of the people we are responsible for, you will follow the procedures that the parents of our OTHER special needs students do as well."

Fark_Guy_Rob: Also - for anyone claiming it was a medical emergency - why is nobody complaining that 911 wasn't called?


but... but... 911 WAS called... the cops showed up, remember?? :P

stonelotus: ArcadianRefugee: stonelotus: am I the only one who sees a resemblance to the original Donkey Kong in that picture?

i1207.photobucket.com

[that'sracist.jpg]

yeah, not really.  GIS the original game.  the colors sort of match (orange, blue, brown), the stern look on his face, the hand gesture, numbers in the background like a score.


wait... that's the mom's booking photo?

noitsnot: Fark_Guy_Rob: noitsnot: Fark_Guy_Rob: Eve L. Koont: Fark_Guy_Rob: Eve L. Koont: thurstonxhowell: Eve L. Koont: ^Agree 100%. When you have to quote from the interwebs just stfu instead.

The only reason for your post to exist is a "quote from the interwebs". You added nothing of value to it.

But playing internet doctor and acting as if you know all from reading a few pages of text and think of yourself as some hot shiat expert does what? On fark it makes you fit in well apparently.


You've been caught with your pants down and you should either admit it or walk away.

Panic attack is a real medical thing with real medical symptoms.  It not just "somebody watched a scary movie and they're freaking out".

My pants are up.

I claimed it was not a medical emergency.  It isn't.

That doesn't mean it's not a 'real medical thing'.  Wikipedia and the Mayo clinic agree.  The kid was not in immediate danger.


No, here's what you first said:

" Her special needs snowflake was emotional.  Not dying, not bleeding, not in need of medical attention....her kid was having a panic attack. "

You framed it as:

  1) Emotional
  2) Not a cause for medical attention

Both are untrue of a panic attack. Then your position kinda... morphed as the thread continued.


so much for not getting pissed off this morning, i guess, but how is "panic"
1) not an emotion
2) capable of being treated by the ems

answer that, or STFU... nobody's saying panic attacks are fake.  but unless there is physical damage requiring emergency medical treatment... if the panic attack turns into a heart attack, by the time mom gets there, if the ems hasn't already BEEN contacted, it's too farking late anyway, and if you call the ems, the cops will be there too.  that's how EVERY ems response team works...  sorry, but you can't call for an ambulance or a fire truck without the cops showing up to find out why you need one...

BullBearMS:
We know exactly what the Administrator did NOT tell the officer.

uh, no, we DON'T, and we also don't know that the school doesn't have a liason already, hell, i had a police liason in my HS and he even got his picture taken with the "staff" in the yearbook.  he was great... and it was FOR this reason.  there's already a cop on hand during lunch hour so teachers don't have to face abuse charges breaking up fights, and ANY time there's a legal issue, it goes through the liason's mailbox.  so when something else comes down the pipeline, the same guy shows up and says "ma'am, we've been through this before.  you were told you would be arrested for trespassing the next time this happened, so i am reading you your mirandas and taking you to the station since your child seems to be out of danger"

shtychkn: RavenOnyx: Sorry, already stated - we worked with *two* advocates in this situation. It cost $7k (over the course of a year). I think advocates are great, but in the end, all they can advise you is to where to file complaints and how, and what your rights are. They are not attorneys. In the end, for us, they weren't even really cheaper than an attorney if we'd gone that route first.

I will grant you that parents who've never "been there" before would have gotten a lot of knowledge and such from the advocates in our situation. In our case, we already know that information. We would probably learn a lot from one taking us through due process; unfortunately, that starts at $2500. Again, not much cheaper than an attorney, and it's because it IS involved and takes a lot of time.

I know it sounds like I'm begrudging them the fee, and I don't. The only ill will I have is to the school, which dragged one IEP meeting through 4 reconventions, stringing us along to drain us financially (with an advocate) and then putting us in a position where we didn't have more money to continue paying one when we really needed it (due process).

And the rub is that I'm oh so very happy that my property taxes are paying for these same administrators and their advising lawyers to DO this to us in the first place! *headdesk*

A legal remedy might be your only option. If your child can't be main steamed and they don't have the facilities to teach her in a smaller environment then the school is legally responsible to pay to send her to a school that can meet her needs.


slightly inaccurate... that particular school isn't.  depending on location, district, city or (possibly for rural locations) state are responsible for meeting those needs.  PROBABLY district though, as they ask on my state tax returns what school district you're in when judging what percentages of state withholding goes to public education...

BullBearMS: When did farkers THAT become NEWSso retarded?

She was taken to the police station on trespassing charges

All the administrator had to do was inform the police that a mistake had been made and that this was a parent they had called and asked to come in and not a "trespasser".

People as stupid as this administrator cannot be trusted with children and absolutely deserve to be removed from any position of authority.

The mother really should go after them for false arrest as well.


go after who, the cops?  good luck on that.  on charges of false arrest, the judicial branch finds the executive branch guilty of being attention whores... and in our follow-up opinion, we'd like to say... "keep up the good work"
 
2014-03-24 11:19:12 AM  

newton: She was called to the school, by the school and she was buzzed in...   she wasn't trespassing.
It seems many of you are tripping over her skin-color.


are you sure?  see, it might actually be a city ordinance that anyone not a student or employee on school property who haven't gone through appropriate sign-in measures is, in fact, trespassing...

stop race-baiting.
 
2014-03-24 11:24:56 AM  

Aigoo: figuring if she cries "harassment" to the press, her behavior won't get her kid(s) kicked out of school.


hehe...
 
2014-03-24 11:27:53 AM  

stonelotus: newton: It seems many of you are tripping over her skin-color.

yeah?  please, point a few out.


blog.zap2it.com
careful, there's crack(s?) in them thar pavements...
 
2014-03-24 11:36:41 AM  

RockofAges: Thanks for coming out.


because now that nobody actually classifies being gay as a "psychiatric disorder" anymore, we should be more understanding that yeah, we can in fact be normal members of society if you stop trying to "fix" us, and instead of getting punched in the face, maybe someone can say... "OOOOHHHH, i get it... hey, thanks... but i'm not interested..."  we'll be okay, you won't get arrested, and somehow, normal healthy lives get generated from that...
 
2014-03-24 12:33:39 PM  

cynicalminion: wambu: Then the school principal informed her she was violated school policy by not signing in. " I've already called the police."

She has all the characteristics of a Zero Intelligence school administrator.

/will likely get a raise

oh, THIS is a good one...  how much would you like to bet that part of that other meeting involved the administrator telling her "you can't just come storming in here unless there's a PHYSICAL medical emergency... if we contact you we will be ready with everything necessary, but those thirty seconds to sign and date that form ARE important, to more than just us, and not doing it will result in SOP being followed, including police notification"

Hoblit: She screwed up, yes. Sure she should have signed in. Even if she refused to at this particular incident, I don't think she should have been arrested by the police for it.

There is a time when common sense should override bureaucracy. That simply isn't happening anymore. As it has been said, zero tolerance = zero common sense.

Even if you needed the police there to show the mother you mean business, they still didn't have to arrest her.

If you want to throw in the waste of time and money it is for the police department to run charges and take her in, gas and all, this is really pretty stupid.

There were much better ways to handle this even if the media is leaving out a refusal to sign in or anything like that. Unless she was causing a much larger disturbance (keeping in mind that we're being told she was called by the teacher) I can't fathom the stupidity involved in these types of arrests at all.

not even if she refuses to at every particular incident?  all we know is this story.  what if this is incident TWELVE, and the school is saying quite simply, "ma'am, we do take care to provide for our special needs students... you, however are being a special needs PARENT, and since you are not one of the people we are responsible for, you will follow the procedures that the parents of our ...


tl;dr
 
2014-03-24 02:06:38 PM  

wambu: tl;dr


beautifully stated... since that's exactly how mommy dearest treated the rest of the school...

img.fark.net
 
2014-03-24 06:10:23 PM  

cynicalminion: wambu: tl;dr

beautifully stated... since that's exactly how mommy dearest treated the rest of the school...

[img.fark.net image 400x215]



Your powers are useless here.
 
2014-03-24 06:52:35 PM  

RavenOnyx: Thanks, shortymac. I might take you up on that email.

We've actually had advocates - we went through 2 on this district. They just, didn't do anything. I think we spent about $7k by the time it was all said and done (part of the reason we have no $ left for an attorney). It was just so frustrating. I do some basic advocate work to help other parents in my area and on the net (for free), but I really only know my stuff to the point that you hit mediation (hadn't been there before).

We got granted an IEE, mediation, all sorts of stuff. Till she got hurt, they took advantage of that fully to undo all we were working on. She did lash out on 2/19, screaming and kicking - because she got hurt. The school's position of course is that she did that just out of the blue, no way did anyone harm her. They ended up not even waiting for the mediator and insisting we hold the last IEP, implying if we didn't show up they'd do it without our input.

They brought in a "behavior interventionist" who did nothing but make everything worse. It's just been a nightmare. He got brought in because she needs redirected so much (her add is *severe*. not "ooh nice pretty special snowflake label", but to the point we're waiting on the ped neuro appt this summer to see if we can rule out focal seizures, which her brother has. She was 6 before she could follow a single early reading page in a book with me). They started this "hold the demand" crap with no counseling, functional behavior replacement, etc. Just "do this". "DO THIS". "She's not doing it because she's being willfully noncompliant". YANK. "Oh now she's yelling, so we have to remove her from the class." Put her in seclusion. "Oh, now she's under a table crying. Being under a table is dangerous. We have to restrain her since that's dangerous." Restraint = major escalation. Period. Hell the "interventionist" told me to my face he had never even consulted with her OT.

It's been really bad. When we got wise and told them they can't restr ...


THEY PUT HER IN RESTRAINTS! SO MUCH RAGE! FARK TEXAS!

They wanted to throw my brother in the ESL class and my parents had to take him to a private school (last minute) and drive him 1.5 hours each way as well. The only way we where able to make it work because we had a stay at home parent.

Pulling her out was the right choice, you'll probably have to sue to break even like my parents did if you go that route. I know a lot of farkers claim people sue over nothing and get millions, but I don't know anyone whoever got mad money.

You might want to petition your case to a full-blown lawyer who might work pro-bono, maybe call the ACLU?

/Restraints can be farking deadly
//So angry right now
 
2014-03-24 07:09:35 PM  

shtychkn: RavenOnyx: Sorry, already stated - we worked with *two* advocates in this situation. It cost $7k (over the course of a year). I think advocates are great, but in the end, all they can advise you is to where to file complaints and how, and what your rights are. They are not attorneys. In the end, for us, they weren't even really cheaper than an attorney if we'd gone that route first.

I will grant you that parents who've never "been there" before would have gotten a lot of knowledge and such from the advocates in our situation. In our case, we already know that information. We would probably learn a lot from one taking us through due process; unfortunately, that starts at $2500. Again, not much cheaper than an attorney, and it's because it IS involved and takes a lot of time.

I know it sounds like I'm begrudging them the fee, and I don't. The only ill will I have is to the school, which dragged one IEP meeting through 4 reconventions, stringing us along to drain us financially (with an advocate) and then putting us in a position where we didn't have more money to continue paying one when we really needed it (due process).

And the rub is that I'm oh so very happy that my property taxes are paying for these same administrators and their advising lawyers to DO this to us in the first place! *headdesk*

A legal remedy might be your only option. If your child can't be main steamed and they don't have the facilities to teach her in a smaller environment then the school is legally responsible to pay to send her to a school that can meet her needs.


This is true, but they'll fight tooth and nail to prevent that from happening so they can keep that sweet government money for themselves.

My parents fought for a year to send my brother to a special ed class at a different school that he had been going to since pre-school instead of the local middle school's ESL class. The school claimed that the ESL class was sufficient to "help improve his language skills". In the end we had to emergency enroll him in a private school 1.5 hours away, and drive him to and from there, and sue.

It took us 5 years to win the suit, but since we where suing their ass the year after they put him back in his special ed class in a different school.

It's a Kafkaesque nightmare and you have to stand your ground and be firm because they'll just push you around and do the bare minimum.
 
2014-03-24 07:54:32 PM  

shortymac: shtychkn: RavenOnyx: Sorry, already stated - we worked with *two* advocates in this situation. It cost $7k (over the course of a year). I think advocates are great, but in the end, all they can advise you is to where to file complaints and how, and what your rights are. They are not attorneys. In the end, for us, they weren't even really cheaper than an attorney if we'd gone that route first.

I will grant you that parents who've never "been there" before would have gotten a lot of knowledge and such from the advocates in our situation. In our case, we already know that information. We would probably learn a lot from one taking us through due process; unfortunately, that starts at $2500. Again, not much cheaper than an attorney, and it's because it IS involved and takes a lot of time.

I know it sounds like I'm begrudging them the fee, and I don't. The only ill will I have is to the school, which dragged one IEP meeting through 4 reconventions, stringing us along to drain us financially (with an advocate) and then putting us in a position where we didn't have more money to continue paying one when we really needed it (due process).

And the rub is that I'm oh so very happy that my property taxes are paying for these same administrators and their advising lawyers to DO this to us in the first place! *headdesk*

A legal remedy might be your only option. If your child can't be main steamed and they don't have the facilities to teach her in a smaller environment then the school is legally responsible to pay to send her to a school that can meet her needs.

This is true, but they'll fight tooth and nail to prevent that from happening so they can keep that sweet government money for themselves.

My parents fought for a year to send my brother to a special ed class at a different school that he had been going to since pre-school instead of the local middle school's ESL class. The school claimed that the ESL class was sufficient to "help improve his language skills". In the end we had to emergency enroll him in a private school 1.5 hours away, and drive him to and from there, and sue.

It took us 5 years to win the suit, but since we where suing their ass the year after they put him back in his special ed class in a different school.

It's a Kafkaesque nightmare and you have to stand your ground and be firm because they'll just push you around and do the bare minimum.


Not sure you'd call it Sweet government money.

The school gets 5 to 20 thousand per student depending on the state.

If they have to pay more then they get fora special needs student, it comes at the expense of the other students.
 
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