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2014-03-22 04:54:24 PM  
Looks like the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals doesn't see any urgency about staying the judge's decision.
 
2014-03-22 05:00:40 PM  
 
2014-03-22 06:52:22 PM  
The followup has its own followup.

/yo dawg...
 
2014-03-22 07:25:24 PM  
Who cares.
 
2014-03-22 07:29:02 PM  
Homosexual marriage is pursued as a means to an end. Homosexuals, by an exceedingly large margin, do not wish to get married or to form civil unions. Rather, they want to be accepted as normal. Their hope is that public approval of homosexuality will follow the legal establishment of homosexual marriages.
 
2014-03-22 07:29:50 PM  
Do you have any idea how long it takes to plan a truly fabulous wedding?
 
2014-03-22 07:30:41 PM  
Oh FFS, letrole. Every time?
 
2014-03-22 07:45:54 PM  

letrole: Homosexual marriage is pursued as a means to an end. Homosexuals, by an exceedingly large margin, do not wish to get married or to form civil unions. Rather, they want to be accepted as normal. Their hope is that public approval of homosexuality will follow the legal establishment of homosexual marriages.


I think we're almost there, at least here in Canada. It's still "noteworthy' if someone is gay, but the stigma that used to accompany being gay is disapearing fast. A newcomer to my church announced in prayer time last Sunday that she and her wife welcomed their adoptive son into their home that week. There was sustained applause...and a few days later one of the ladies drove to her house to drop off a quilt she had made. I don't think this would've happened 10 years ago. Mainstream society is quickly seeing homosexuality as a "normal" presence in the community.
 
2014-03-22 07:46:28 PM  

RodneyToady: The followup has its own followup.

/yo dawg...


And Leon's getting larger.
 
2014-03-22 07:48:46 PM  
I don't know who's dumber: letrole, or the idiots who respond to his trolling?
 
2014-03-22 07:49:43 PM  

dv-ous: Oh FFS, letrole. Every time?


i.imgur.com

The fun part is that this exact pasta has been posted again and again for years as more and more people change their mind about same-sex marriage, and more and more gay and lesbian people come forth to be married. Not that he's ever provided a shred of evidence for the assertions he makes, but it just makes any believability of the assertion more and more remote.
 
2014-03-22 07:51:26 PM  

GWSuperfan: ... and now they've issued a stay:  http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140322/METRO06/303220039/Appeals - court-issues-stay-Michigan-s-gay-marriage-case


We almost drove up there today, but I ducking gurantee you we would have been the next couple in line when the stay was issued.
 
2014-03-22 07:53:00 PM  

FreakyBunny: letrole: Homosexual marriage is pursued as a means to an end. Homosexuals, by an exceedingly large margin, do not wish to get married or to form civil unions. Rather, they want to be accepted as normal. Their hope is that public approval of homosexuality will follow the legal establishment of homosexual marriages.

I think we're almost there, at least here in Canada. It's still "noteworthy' if someone is gay, but the stigma that used to accompany being gay is disapearing fast. A newcomer to my church announced in prayer time last Sunday that she and her wife welcomed their adoptive son into their home that week. There was sustained applause...and a few days later one of the ladies drove to her house to drop off a quilt she had made. I don't think this would've happened 10 years ago. Mainstream society is quickly seeing homosexuality as a "normal" presence in the community.


I don't know about your social circle, but in my experience it isn't any more noteworthy than the guy who hates hockey.
 
2014-03-22 07:58:16 PM  
Honeymoons are at the Florida County Fair with the world's largest hot dog.
 
2014-03-22 08:00:49 PM  
As Michigan Republitards demonstrate that they are, indeed, drinking the tainted Kool-Aid...
 
2014-03-22 08:15:29 PM  
I won't vote for anyone who is against extending the same rights to homosexuals that everyone else enjoys. Ever.

I'm not gay, I'm also just not an asshole.
 
2014-03-22 08:20:50 PM  

dywed88: FreakyBunny: letrole: Homosexual marriage is pursued as a means to an end. Homosexuals, by an exceedingly large margin, do not wish to get married or to form civil unions. Rather, they want to be accepted as normal. Their hope is that public approval of homosexuality will follow the legal establishment of homosexual marriages.

I think we're almost there, at least here in Canada. It's still "noteworthy' if someone is gay, but the stigma that used to accompany being gay is disapearing fast. A newcomer to my church announced in prayer time last Sunday that she and her wife welcomed their adoptive son into their home that week. There was sustained applause...and a few days later one of the ladies drove to her house to drop off a quilt she had made. I don't think this would've happened 10 years ago. Mainstream society is quickly seeing homosexuality as a "normal" presence in the community.

I don't know about your social circle, but in my experience it isn't any more noteworthy than the guy who hates hockey.


Pretty much. Most of the time, most people don't give a flip whether you're gay or straight. A person is a person and as long as it doesn't involve me, you do whatever the hell you want.
 
2014-03-22 08:45:32 PM  
Once again, obstinant doom-sayers continue to rail against an expansion of liberty based upon predictions that have thus far failed in every location where he liberty already exists. Some opponents are beginning to realize the failure of these predictions, but rather than reevaluate their position, they seek out and report on rare incidents of wrongdoing associated with exercise of this freedom, in a dishonest effort to present those incidents as common and typical when they are in fact very rare. Fortunately, the public is becoming increasingly aware of this intellectually bankrupt tactic and popular opinion is turning against the oppoenets of liberty.
 
2014-03-22 08:46:13 PM  

Dimensio: Once again, obstinant doom-sayers continue to rail against an expansion of liberty based upon predictions that have thus far failed in every location where he liberty already exists. Some opponents are beginning to realize the failure of these predictions, but rather than reevaluate their position, they seek out and report on rare incidents of wrongdoing associated with exercise of this freedom, in a dishonest effort to present those incidents as common and typical when they are in fact very rare. Fortunately, the public is becoming increasingly aware of this intellectually bankrupt tactic and popular opinion is turning against the oppoenets of liberty.


This comment was misdirected. It was intended for a discussion of concealed carry.
 
2014-03-22 08:51:17 PM  

TwistedFark: I won't vote for anyone who is against extending the same rights to homosexuals that everyone else enjoys. Ever.

I'm not gay, I'm also just not an asshole.


+1

Not gay, but happy to see any two people who love each other get married and wish them the very best.  Haters gonna hate, but they have no right to make others miserable as well.
 
2014-03-22 09:07:10 PM  
Yawn
 
2014-03-22 09:08:12 PM  

Dimensio: Dimensio: Once again, obstinant doom-sayers continue to rail against an expansion of liberty based upon predictions that have thus far failed in every location where he liberty already exists. Some opponents are beginning to realize the failure of these predictions, but rather than reevaluate their position, they seek out and report on rare incidents of wrongdoing associated with exercise of this freedom, in a dishonest effort to present those incidents as common and typical when they are in fact very rare. Fortunately, the public is becoming increasingly aware of this intellectually bankrupt tactic and popular opinion is turning against the oppoenets of liberty.

This comment was misdirected. It was intended for a discussion of concealed carry.


Well, it actually kind of fits here, too.
 
2014-03-22 09:12:34 PM  

Unobtanium: Dimensio: Dimensio: Once again, obstinant doom-sayers continue to rail against an expansion of liberty based upon predictions that have thus far failed in every location where he liberty already exists. Some opponents are beginning to realize the failure of these predictions, but rather than reevaluate their position, they seek out and report on rare incidents of wrongdoing associated with exercise of this freedom, in a dishonest effort to present those incidents as common and typical when they are in fact very rare. Fortunately, the public is becoming increasingly aware of this intellectually bankrupt tactic and popular opinion is turning against the oppoenets of liberty.

This comment was misdirected. It was intended for a discussion of concealed carry.

Well, it actually kind of fits here, too.


That is the joke.
 
2014-03-22 09:18:13 PM  

dywed88: FreakyBunny: letrole: Homosexual marriage is pursued as a means to an end. Homosexuals, by an exceedingly large margin, do not wish to get married or to form civil unions. Rather, they want to be accepted as normal. Their hope is that public approval of homosexuality will follow the legal establishment of homosexual marriages.

I think we're almost there, at least here in Canada. It's still "noteworthy' if someone is gay, but the stigma that used to accompany being gay is disapearing fast. A newcomer to my church announced in prayer time last Sunday that she and her wife welcomed their adoptive son into their home that week. There was sustained applause...and a few days later one of the ladies drove to her house to drop off a quilt she had made. I don't think this would've happened 10 years ago. Mainstream society is quickly seeing homosexuality as a "normal" presence in the community.

I don't know about your social circle, but in my experience it isn't any more noteworthy than the guy who hates hockey.


I thought that was illegal in Canada.
 
2014-03-22 09:18:13 PM  
Bill Schuette is a major asshole. He and Rick Snyder need to go.
 
2014-03-22 09:23:17 PM  

Vtimlin: Who cares.


You do realize that every time someone comes into a thread like this to say "Who cares?" or "Nobody cares," they look more and more stupid, right?
 
2014-03-22 09:24:53 PM  

dv-ous: Oh FFS, letrole. Every time?


Nah, he missed several gay threads.  I was a bit worried he was sick.  That or his user just got around to updating the Trollbot software to version surname 6.0.
 
2014-03-22 09:35:47 PM  
And Michigan is fabulous for a short time. Yay!
 
2014-03-22 09:58:50 PM  

dv-ous: Oh FFS, letrole. Every time?


It's an occupational surname.
 
2014-03-22 10:53:57 PM  
I just hope that Michigan had their endgame planned out; I'd hate to see them falter by calling a costly time-out. . .
 
2014-03-22 11:24:25 PM  

HighOnCraic: I just hope that Michigan had their endgame planned out; I'd hate to see them falter by calling a costly time-out. . .


Well the state's legal argument amounted to 'ew, gross' so I'm not sure what they think they can do by Wednesday.
 
2014-03-23 12:06:21 AM  

HighOnCraic: I just hope that Michigan had their endgame planned out; I'd hate to see them falter by calling a costly time-out. . .


Chris Webber is a homophobe. Got it.
 
2014-03-23 12:39:30 AM  
What about Gay Taliban what are their rights?
 
2014-03-23 12:44:27 AM  

wumpus: Bill Schuette is a major asshole. He and Rick Snyder need to go.


Then apparently 58.6% of voters that voted against gay marriage in 2004 need to go as well.
 
2014-03-23 01:15:27 AM  

3StratMan: wumpus: Bill Schuette is a major asshole. He and Rick Snyder need to go.

Then apparently 58.6% of voters that voted against gay marriage in 2004 need to go as well.


Agreed. The thumb of Michigan gets more deep southy the closer you get to the tip. But when all is said and done, fark those guys.
 
2014-03-23 01:40:37 AM  
In just a couple weeks it will be 5 years since gay marriage became legal in Iowa. So far I am still married to my (opposite sex) wife and have not been forced to divorce her and get gay married like I was told would happen. So far so good, but I always check the peep hole before I open the door to check if it is the guys in pink! We will see what next week brings?
 
2014-03-23 01:45:28 AM  

wumpus: 3StratMan: wumpus: Bill Schuette is a major asshole. He and Rick Snyder need to go.

Then apparently 58.6% of voters that voted against gay marriage in 2004 need to go as well.

Agreed. The thumb of Michigan gets more deep southy the closer you get to the tip. But when all is said and done, fark those guys.


Yeah but look at the demographics of the people who voted against it. A huge majority of blacks voted against it. They don't like in the thumb. They live in Detroit, Flint, and Grand Rapids. Or are we not allowed to point that out because it's racist?
 
2014-03-23 01:58:37 AM  

TerminalEchoes: wumpus: 3StratMan: wumpus: Bill Schuette is a major asshole. He and Rick Snyder need to go.

Then apparently 58.6% of voters that voted against gay marriage in 2004 need to go as well.

Agreed. The thumb of Michigan gets more deep southy the closer you get to the tip. But when all is said and done, fark those guys.

Yeah but look at the demographics of the people who voted against it. A huge majority of blacks voted against it. They don't like in the thumb. They live in Detroit, Flint, and Grand Rapids. Or are we not allowed to point that out because it's racist?


I guess I kind of misread the original response. It doesn't matter how they voted. They don't get to have a special policy against rights recognized as essential to this country at it's foundation. Fine, fine, a lot of assholes live around here. But my original point still stands. fark those guys. It's not up to them.
 
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2014-03-23 02:30:22 AM  
I want to get married, but my SO wants to wait for Ohio. I'm from Michigan, and we're right there...hopefully it won't be too long.
 
2014-03-23 04:04:48 AM  

Somacandra: dv-ous: Oh FFS, letrole. Every time?

[i.imgur.com image 680x510]

The fun part is that this exact pasta has been posted again and again for years as more and more people change their mind about same-sex marriage, and more and more gay and lesbian people come forth to be married. Not that he's ever provided a shred of evidence for the assertions he makes, but it just makes any believability of the assertion more and more remote.


and that's why he's in my "actual trolling" favorites, and not the "piss-yellow-cuz-theres-no-threadshiatter-brown" i save for the more recent douchenozzles.
 
2014-03-23 04:08:30 AM  

Dimensio: Dimensio: Once again, obstinant doom-sayers continue to rail against an expansion of liberty based upon predictions that have thus far failed in every location where he liberty already exists. Some opponents are beginning to realize the failure of these predictions, but rather than reevaluate their position, they seek out and report on rare incidents of wrongdoing associated with exercise of this freedom, in a dishonest effort to present those incidents as common and typical when they are in fact very rare. Fortunately, the public is becoming increasingly aware of this intellectually bankrupt tactic and popular opinion is turning against the oppoenets of liberty.

This comment was misdirected. It was intended for a discussion of concealed carry.


please closet your weapon, citizen...
 
2014-03-23 04:24:38 AM  

3StratMan: wumpus: Bill Schuette is a major asshole. He and Rick Snyder need to go.

Then apparently 58.6% of voters that voted against gay marriage in 2004 need to go as well.


using ten year old statistics needs to go before any of the others...

michigan-detroit-fireitup-flameon there's a joke in there somewhere...

img.fark.net
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/in before the gayroller...
 
2014-03-23 06:01:34 AM  

TerminalEchoes: wumpus: 3StratMan: wumpus: Bill Schuette is a major asshole. He and Rick Snyder need to go.

Then apparently 58.6% of voters that voted against gay marriage in 2004 need to go as well.

Agreed. The thumb of Michigan gets more deep southy the closer you get to the tip. But when all is said and done, fark those guys.

Yeah but look at the demographics of the people who voted against it. A huge majority of blacks voted against it. They don't like in the thumb. They live in Detroit, Flint, and Grand Rapids. Or are we not allowed to point that out because it's racist?


We're not talking about people who like it in the thumb, we're talking about people who like it in the ass.
 
2014-03-23 08:42:18 AM  

3StratMan: wumpus: Bill Schuette is a major asshole. He and Rick Snyder need to go.

Then apparently 58.6% of voters that voted against gay marriage in 2004 need to go as well.


That may have been true then, but the majority of Michiganders are now in favor of SSM.  It only took 10 years for there to be a really significant opinion shift.
 
2014-03-23 10:41:13 AM  

wumpus: TerminalEchoes: wumpus: 3StratMan: wumpus: Bill Schuette is a major asshole. He and Rick Snyder need to go.

Then apparently 58.6% of voters that voted against gay marriage in 2004 need to go as well.

Agreed. The thumb of Michigan gets more deep southy the closer you get to the tip. But when all is said and done, fark those guys.

Yeah but look at the demographics of the people who voted against it. A huge majority of blacks voted against it. They don't like in the thumb. They live in Detroit, Flint, and Grand Rapids. Or are we not allowed to point that out because it's racist?

I guess I kind of misread the original response. It doesn't matter how they voted. They don't get to have a special policy against rights recognized as essential to this country at it's foundation. Fine, fine, a lot of assholes live around here. But my original point still stands. fark those guys. It's not up to them.


This whole issue is one of those examples of why I think the system doesn't work. For the record, I'm completely neutral on gay marriage. I just don't care, because I'm not gay, so I really don't have an opinion. But what irks me is that a majority of people voted one way and a judge overturns their vote. The same thing happened in California with Prop 8. If judges can do that, then what's the damn point of voting? I'm not attacking gay marriage, but I don't think a judge should be allowed to supersede a democratic vote.
 
2014-03-23 10:42:59 AM  
"A ruling from a federal judge on the meaning of the Equal Protection Clause ... is binding on the state government," said Kirkland, a professor of women's studies and political science. "It's the law of the land until or unless the Supreme Court says otherwise."

Which is pretty funny considering how many states have legalized pot even though the Federal Government still considers it a crime.

Still, you'd be surprised just how many ignorant rednecks actually live this far north.  You'd think you'd be safe from the remnants of cromagnon society up here, but nope.  We could give Georgia a run for it's money.  Kind of sad.
 
2014-03-23 11:42:50 AM  

TerminalEchoes: This whole issue is one of those examples of why I think the system doesn't work. For the record, I'm completely neutral on gay marriage. I just don't care, because I'm not gay, so I really don't have an opinion. But what irks me is that a majority of people voted one way and a judge overturns their vote. The same thing happened in California with Prop 8. If judges can do that, then what's the damn point of voting? I'm not attacking gay marriage, but I don't think a judge should be allowed to supersede a democratic vote.


Which shows that you don't get our system.  This is a feature - not a bug.  This is why we are a representative republic, not a pure democracy, to prevent a majority from oppressing a minority strictly by force of numbers at the polls.  This is even close to be the exact reason the founders chose it - a religious "majority" restricting the rights of those that don't believe as they do.
 
2014-03-23 11:55:21 AM  

TerminalEchoes: This whole issue is one of those examples of why I think the system doesn't work. For the record, I'm completely neutral on gay marriage. I just don't care, because I'm not gay, so I really don't have an opinion. But what irks me is that a majority of people voted one way and a judge overturns their vote. The same thing happened in California with Prop 8. If judges can do that, then what's the damn point of voting? I'm not attacking gay marriage, but I don't think a judge should be allowed to supersede a democratic vote.


What if the majority of New Yorkers voted to ban guns from their state? Should that be enforced by the courts? What if the majority of Alabamans voted to enslave all black people in the state? What if Utah voted for a law banning any party other than the Republican Party from fielding candidates?
 
2014-03-23 12:09:16 PM  

TerminalEchoes: wumpus: TerminalEchoes: wumpus: 3StratMan: wumpus: Bill Schuette is a major asshole. He and Rick Snyder need to go.

Then apparently 58.6% of voters that voted against gay marriage in 2004 need to go as well.

Agreed. The thumb of Michigan gets more deep southy the closer you get to the tip. But when all is said and done, fark those guys.

Yeah but look at the demographics of the people who voted against it. A huge majority of blacks voted against it. They don't like in the thumb. They live in Detroit, Flint, and Grand Rapids. Or are we not allowed to point that out because it's racist?

I guess I kind of misread the original response. It doesn't matter how they voted. They don't get to have a special policy against rights recognized as essential to this country at it's foundation. Fine, fine, a lot of assholes live around here. But my original point still stands. fark those guys. It's not up to them.

This whole issue is one of those examples of why I think the system doesn't work. For the record, I'm completely neutral on gay marriage. I just don't care, because I'm not gay, so I really don't have an opinion. But what irks me is that a majority of people voted one way and a judge overturns their vote. The same thing happened in California with Prop 8. If judges can do that, then what's the damn point of voting? I'm not attacking gay marriage, but I don't think a judge should be allowed to supersede a democratic vote.


Do you think that if black civil rights had been left up to a vote in the 60s, especially in the south, that the Civil Rights Act (any part of it) would have become the law of the land? That is why human rights cannot be left up to a vote and any time they have been improperly voted on and denied others their civil rights is unconstitutional.

All people are equal, and no one's vote can deny that. It's not something that should ever be up for a popular vote, period.
 
2014-03-23 01:48:35 PM  

silvervial: TerminalEchoes: wumpus: TerminalEchoes: wumpus: 3StratMan: wumpus: Bill Schuette is a major asshole. He and Rick Snyder need to go.

Then apparently 58.6% of voters that voted against gay marriage in 2004 need to go as well.

Agreed. The thumb of Michigan gets more deep southy the closer you get to the tip. But when all is said and done, fark those guys.

Yeah but look at the demographics of the people who voted against it. A huge majority of blacks voted against it. They don't like in the thumb. They live in Detroit, Flint, and Grand Rapids. Or are we not allowed to point that out because it's racist?

I guess I kind of misread the original response. It doesn't matter how they voted. They don't get to have a special policy against rights recognized as essential to this country at it's foundation. Fine, fine, a lot of assholes live around here. But my original point still stands. fark those guys. It's not up to them.

This whole issue is one of those examples of why I think the system doesn't work. For the record, I'm completely neutral on gay marriage. I just don't care, because I'm not gay, so I really don't have an opinion. But what irks me is that a majority of people voted one way and a judge overturns their vote. The same thing happened in California with Prop 8. If judges can do that, then what's the damn point of voting? I'm not attacking gay marriage, but I don't think a judge should be allowed to supersede a democratic vote.

Do you think that if black civil rights had been left up to a vote in the 60s, especially in the south, that the Civil Rights Act (any part of it) would have become the law of the land? That is why human rights cannot be left up to a vote and any time they have been improperly voted on and denied others their civil rights is unconstitutional.

All people are equal, and no one's vote can deny that. It's not something that should ever be up for a popular vote, period.


Then why do they allow people to vote on these types of issues to begin with? I'm not trying to start a fight, I'm honestly curious.
 
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