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(Fox News)   Republicans' war on poor people continues as Louisiana bans use of food stamps to pay for tattoos, lingerie, jewelry, video arcades, bail bonds, cruise ships, psychics, adult-entertainment, nightclubs, and bars   (foxnews.com) divider line 189
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2014-03-22 11:54:41 AM
you can't buy those things with food stamps.
but you can buy hookers and blow with govt subsidy money if you run a corporation.
 
2014-03-22 12:00:09 PM
Can we knock off the "you can buy these with food stamps!" breathless bullsh*t?

/Having been on food stamps, I know for a fact it's not true
//or I would have
///well, maybe not the psychics
 
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2014-03-22 12:01:50 PM
Those are all middle class things in LA.
 
2014-03-22 12:04:05 PM
Submitter-An EBT card can have two kinds of benefits. Cash and/or SNAP (food stamps). You cannot buy any of those with SNAP benefits to begin with, and that applies to all states. Some people receive both benefits on their EBT card, others only get SNAP benefits.

In regards to cash benefits, though, there's nothing stopping someone from using an ATM to withdraw the necessary cash to pay for those items. They just can't use their EBT cards directly for those.
 
2014-03-22 12:05:51 PM
Bail bonds, booze, and underwear seem like perfectly legitimate expenses to me.
 
2014-03-22 12:33:04 PM

ginandbacon: Bail bonds, booze, and underwear seem like perfectly legitimate expenses to me.


All reasonable expenses during a night of handguns, firetrucks, and dirty women.
 
2014-03-22 12:42:24 PM

unyon: ginandbacon: Bail bonds, booze, and underwear seem like perfectly legitimate expenses to me.

All reasonable expenses during a night of handguns, firetrucks, and dirty women.


Well, it's Louisiana. Cost of living, baby.
 
2014-03-22 12:46:07 PM
You could, but the pipeline to the payout is rather narrow.

It's easier to just steal your car.
 
2014-03-22 01:07:03 PM
Hobodeluxe:

you can't buy those things with food stamps.
but you can buy hookers and blow with govt subsidy money if you run a corporation.


What gets me is people who try to tell me I can't buy candy with SNAP (formerly known as food stamps) when I've been doing it for years, or get all upset when they see me buying a "luxury" food like lamb chops (that I might get when it's marked down to beef level). If they change the rules so I can't use SNAP to buy Diet Pepsi I probably won't biatch, but anyway SNAP is used to buy FOOD from sellers that accept it, period.

As for non-food items, you simply can't get them with an EBT card that's meant to be used for SNAP. The card reader is networked to a modem that gets the data from government computers thart keep track of all that, so once when I tried to buy angostura bitters with SNAP it refused the transaction. Because while angosura bitters was in the same aisle with Diet Pepsi unlike Diet Pepsi angostura bitters is 44.7% alcohol so it's classed with alcoholic beverages like beer that you also can't buy with SNAP. So I had to pay green paper folding money for that.

And another thing: "illegal immigrants" cannot get "welfare." To get government money or get on a government program like SNAP you have to prove you're either a U.S. citizen or already have a green card. So while it's highly unlikely that an white English-only-speaking hillbilly stubblebum like myself could be a Guatemalan "wetback" I still have to prove I'm not.

So the upshot is that making it illegal to buy tattoos with "food stamps" is like making it illegal for dogs to fly. Only an uninformed idiot would consider such a total waste of legislators' time and effort and the taxpayers' money.

Hint: if somebody tells you s/he saw somebody pay for a tattoo, lingerie, video arcade, bail bonds, cruise ships, psychics, adult entertainment, nightclubs, and bars with "food stamps" LOOK IT UP.


Jeez. We should stop letting stupid people vote, drive, get mortgages and breed.


Sheesh.
 
2014-03-22 01:15:52 PM

The One True TheDavid: Jeez. We should stop letting stupid people vote, drive, get mortgages and breed.


We should also take away the voting power of anyone who is on government assistance. When you become a productive member of society again, you can vote. Until then, get out of the way of people who are doing the real work.
 
2014-03-22 01:20:59 PM

reprobate1125: The One True TheDavid: Jeez. We should stop letting stupid people vote, drive, get mortgages and breed.

We should also take away the voting power of anyone who is on government assistance. When you become a productive member of society again, you can vote. Until then, get out of the way of people who are doing the real work.


So retirees shouldn't vote? Or students? Or the disabled? Where's your red line?
 
2014-03-22 01:25:34 PM
Everyone gets the single free vote then you can pay $10 for each vote thereafter and there is not the limit to which you can do the voting of. However there are also the 500,000,000 votes which are provided via the lottery to all in the pool of this. These votes are allocated by the voter on the random basis as though they are the slot machine when you enter into the chamber of the voting. You might get none of these or two of these or thousands of these which then has the meaning that everyone gets the fair chance at the votes even without the money. The only individuals who may try for the free votes are those who do not make the vote payment of any sort which avoids the double dipping.

This is the way of the future of handling the voting and would make the most in the sense. I am to do the petition on the Change.org website for this. Then we will separate the leaches from the lucky from the individuals who have done the hardest of work to obtain the millions of they in completely legitimate mannerisms.
 
2014-03-22 01:26:10 PM

ginandbacon: reprobate1125: The One True TheDavid: Jeez. We should stop letting stupid people vote, drive, get mortgages and breed.

We should also take away the voting power of anyone who is on government assistance. When you become a productive member of society again, you can vote. Until then, get out of the way of people who are doing the real work.

So retirees shouldn't vote? Or students? Or the disabled? Where's your red line?


Food stamps sounds like a good line.

Retirees are receiving benefits. Students on food stamps shouldn't vote.  Disabled. I'm fine with them.  They get too many parking spaces though. We need to distinguish between handicapped and fatticapped.

Thanks for asking.  Oh, and if you served in a branch of our military and were honorably discharged, you should still get to vote regardless.

You should also have to pass a test to prove that you have a basic understanding of government.  Last election I went to the polls and there were referendums on the ballot about intangible taxes.  With 100 people in the room I GUARANTEE you not more than 3 of them had any farking clue what an intangible tax is...yet these people make decisions that affect everyone.
 
2014-03-22 01:27:26 PM
Yeah, the $60 a week they give you for food would last me 2 hours in a bar.
 
2014-03-22 01:27:48 PM

meow said the dog: Everyone gets the single free vote then you can pay $10 for each vote thereafter and there is not the limit to which you can do the voting of. However there are also the 500,000,000 votes which are provided via the lottery to all in the pool of this. These votes are allocated by the voter on the random basis as though they are the slot machine when you enter into the chamber of the voting. You might get none of these or two of these or thousands of these which then has the meaning that everyone gets the fair chance at the votes even without the money. The only individuals who may try for the free votes are those who do not make the vote payment of any sort which avoids the double dipping.

This is the way of the future of handling the voting and would make the most in the sense. I am to do the petition on the Change.org website for this. Then we will separate the leaches from the lucky from the individuals who have done the hardest of work to obtain the millions of they in completely legitimate mannerisms.


How about you get 1 vote for every $25,000 you contribute in taxes to the Federal Government?  First one's free.
 
2014-03-22 01:33:41 PM

reprobate1125: How about you get 1 vote for every $25,000 you contribute in taxes to the Federal Government?  First one's free.


I suppose but the system proposed by me is much less complicated.
 
2014-03-22 01:34:11 PM
Before everyone goes all ape shiat, pay attention to how the headline does not match up with the story.

Its not Food Stamps; its cash benefits that are restricted.
 
2014-03-22 01:36:27 PM

Bathia_Mapes: Submitter-An EBT card can have two kinds of benefits. Cash and/or SNAP (food stamps). You cannot buy any of those with SNAP benefits to begin with, and that applies to all states. Some people receive both benefits on their EBT card, others only get SNAP benefits.

In regards to cash benefits, though, there's nothing stopping someone from using an ATM to withdraw the necessary cash to pay for those items. They just can't use their EBT cards directly for those.


Forget it man, they're on a roll.
 
2014-03-22 01:36:34 PM

reprobate1125: ginandbacon: reprobate1125: The One True TheDavid: Jeez. We should stop letting stupid people vote, drive, get mortgages and breed.

We should also take away the voting power of anyone who is on government assistance. When you become a productive member of society again, you can vote. Until then, get out of the way of people who are doing the real work.

So retirees shouldn't vote? Or students? Or the disabled? Where's your red line?

Food stamps sounds like a good line.

Retirees are receiving benefits. Students on food stamps shouldn't vote.  Disabled. I'm fine with them.  They get too many parking spaces though. We need to distinguish between handicapped and fatticapped.

Thanks for asking.  Oh, and if you served in a branch of our military and were honorably discharged, you should still get to vote regardless.

You should also have to pass a test to prove that you have a basic understanding of government.  Last election I went to the polls and there were referendums on the ballot about intangible taxes.  With 100 people in the room I GUARANTEE you not more than 3 of them had any farking clue what an intangible tax is...yet these people make decisions that affect everyone.


What about all the military families and working poor who receive SNAP? Can they vote?
 
2014-03-22 01:37:11 PM
Good. Maybe they'll stop being poor
 
2014-03-22 01:38:43 PM

reprobate1125: The One True TheDavid: Jeez. We should stop letting stupid people vote, drive, get mortgages and breed.

We should also take away the voting power of anyone who is on government assistance. When you become a productive member of society again, you can vote. Until then, get out of the way of people who are doing the real work.


That might smart a bit, since with 3/4 of the Republicans and at least half the Democrats disqualified the Socialist Party might win.

By the way, I do not speak for the Socialist Party U.S.A. nor does its Platform agree with me on many things. They're just the best political party Americans have come up with in over 100 years.
 
2014-03-22 01:38:45 PM

reprobate1125: The One True TheDavid: Jeez. We should stop letting stupid people vote, drive, get mortgages and breed.

We should also take away the voting power of anyone who is on government assistance. When you become a productive member of society again, you can vote. Until then, get out of the way of people who are doing the real work.


A lot of people who get SNAP benefits also have jobs. You may have heard of them...they're called "the working poor".

At the call center job I most recently worked at I'd estimate that at least 80% of the employees received or were eligible to receive SNAP benefits.
 
2014-03-22 01:38:57 PM

Bathia_Mapes: Submitter-An EBT card can have two kinds of benefits. Cash and/or SNAP (food stamps). You cannot buy any of those with SNAP benefits to begin with, and that applies to all states. Some people receive both benefits on their EBT card, others only get SNAP benefits.

In regards to cash benefits, though, there's nothing stopping someone from using an ATM to withdraw the necessary cash to pay for those items. They just can't use their EBT cards directly for those.


Well, I prefer that money not be spent on those things. Maybe money shouldn't be withdrawn from those cards period. Then the cash couldn't be spent on frivolous items. Food, clothing and shelter should be all that can be bought.
 
2014-03-22 01:40:58 PM

reprobate1125: ou should also have to pass a test to prove that you have a basic understanding of government. Last election I went to the polls and there were referendums on the ballot about intangible taxes. With 100 people in the room I GUARANTEE you not more than 3 of them had any farking clue what an intangible tax is...yet these people make decisions that affect everyone.


So rather than try to educate your fellow citizens or inform them of their option to skip (a good chunk of people fill out the entire ballot because they feel the need to complete it 100%) a choice, you want to limit availability for voting.

The old fashioned method of "white, landowning, men" seemed to work too.
 
2014-03-22 01:42:31 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: The old fashioned method of "white, landowning, men" seemed to work too.


Well it did make the counting of the votes much easier.
 
2014-03-22 01:42:34 PM

Hobodeluxe: you can't buy those things with food stamps.
but you can buy hookers and blow with govt subsidy money if you run a corporation.


"Food stamps" is something that subby fabricated whole-cloth.

I know reading TFA is hard and shiat, but if you can make it through like two sentences you'll see this is about the full spread of welfare benefits that provide general cash assistance, which  can be spent on all of those things.

// Albeit I feel like bail bonds are a legitimate thing to spend welfare on, given that you're unlikely to find a job sitting in a cell awaiting trial.
// And how enforceable this is given that cash assistance can just be used to obtain, y'know, cash elsewhere is perhaps up for debate.
 
2014-03-22 01:42:40 PM

cman: Before everyone goes all ape shiat, pay attention to how the headline does not match up with the story.

Its not Food Stamps; its cash benefits that are restricted.


Uh yeah but that's not what the Fark headline says and it's not what I hear people complaining about. They say "food stamps."

As for what you can and can't buy with your cash benefit card, I don't think this law is constitutional. But then you can always use your cash benefit EBT card to buy a "N0bama" bumper sticker and get cash back at the register.
 
2014-03-22 01:44:12 PM

The One True TheDavid: cman: Before everyone goes all ape shiat, pay attention to how the headline does not match up with the story.

Its not Food Stamps; its cash benefits that are restricted.

Uh yeah but that's not what the Fark headline says and it's not what I hear people complaining about. They say "food stamps."

As for what you can and can't buy with your cash benefit card, I don't think this law is constitutional. But then you can always use your cash benefit EBT card to buy a "N0bama" bumper sticker and get cash back at the register.


States dont have the right to specify how welfare funds are to be spent?

One would think that that would be a given.
 
2014-03-22 01:45:27 PM

reprobate1125: Oh, and if you served in a branch of our military and were honorably discharged, you should still get to vote regardless.


Service guarantees citizenship.

aahabershaw.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-03-22 01:45:48 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: /Having been on food stamps, I know for a fact it's not true
//or I would have
///well, maybe not the psychics


A friend of mine was working to try to get cleaning supplies added to the list of allowable food stamp purchases.  No joy.
 
2014-03-22 01:45:53 PM

The One True TheDavid:  I don't think this law is constitutional.


guychurch.com

// The only part of this law that even indirectly touches on a constitutional issue is the bail bond thing and its possible impact on due process.
 
2014-03-22 01:46:12 PM
"Tracking violations may be difficult, however, because the welfare money can be taken off the electronic benefit card as cash through an ATM. "

Enough said.
 
2014-03-22 01:46:24 PM

DubyaHater: Bathia_Mapes:

Submitter-An EBT card can have two kinds of benefits. Cash and/or SNAP (food stamps). You cannot buy any of those with SNAP benefits to begin with, and that applies to all states. Some people receive both benefits on their EBT card, others only get SNAP benefits.

In regards to cash benefits, though, there's nothing stopping someone from using an ATM to withdraw the necessary cash to pay for those items. They just can't use their EBT cards directly for those.

Well, I prefer that money not be spent on those things. Maybe money shouldn't be withdrawn from those cards period. Then the cash couldn't be spent on frivolous items. Food, clothing and shelter should be all that can be bought.


So you'd forbid them to be used for gasoline, soap or fertilizer and you require every landlord or rental office to be hooked up to the EBT computer system.

Please tell me what office you're running for where so I can hurry there to register to vote. Every government needs clear thinkers such as yourself running it.
 
2014-03-22 01:47:43 PM

ginandbacon: Bail bonds, booze, and underwear seem like perfectly legitimate expenses to me.


I knew I had you favorited for reasons beyond your handle reminding me of two of my favorite things...
 
2014-03-22 01:48:42 PM

Alphakronik: "Tracking violations may be difficult, however, because the welfare money can be taken off the electronic benefit card as cash through an ATM. "

Enough said.


I mean, we're talking literally DOZENS of dollars here.
 
2014-03-22 01:48:47 PM

The One True TheDavid: What gets me is people who try to tell me I can't buy candy with SNAP (formerly known as food stamps) when I've been doing it for years, or get all upset when they see me buying a "luxury" food like lamb chops (that I might get when it's marked down to beef level).


On the second one...just because you think it's a luxury food item doesn't mean it is.  You wanna buy prime rib at $10/pound with your SNAP, go ahead.  Or, you could buy twice that much ground beef plus a box or two of spaghetti plus a jar or two of spaghetti sauce and have enough for two meals for the whole family.  This is what SNAP is supposed to help you with: Making good financial decisions, at least on the outlays department. You're on your own on the income department, and until that side of your economy is fixed, you're gonna be on SNAP regardless of your fiscal responsibility.
 
2014-03-22 01:49:10 PM
cman:

States dont have the right to specify how welfare funds are to be spent?

Most states don't.
  One would think that that would be a given.

You know who else tried to tell people what they can't spend money on?
 
2014-03-22 01:50:57 PM

Jim_Callahan: The One True TheDavid:  I don't think this law is constitutional.

[guychurch.com image 300x252]

// The only part of this law that even indirectly touches on a constitutional issue is the bail bond thing and its possible impact on due process.


[citation needed]
 
2014-03-22 01:51:21 PM

The One True TheDavid: cman:

States dont have the right to specify how welfare funds are to be spent?

Most states don't.
  One would think that that would be a given.

You know who else tried to tell people what they can't spend money on?


Every civilization in existence who has outlawed drugs?

/Dont worry, no outrage at all from me about this. I am just bored. Thats why I am chatting about the subject.
 
2014-03-22 01:51:22 PM

reprobate1125: How about you get 1 vote for every $25,000 you contribute in taxes to the Federal Government? First one's free.


In other words, a Republican wet dream?

/what's that Mr Poor?  Only paid $10000 in taxes this year?  You get 3/5 a vote.
 
2014-03-22 01:52:25 PM

The One True TheDavid: They're just the best political party Americans have come up with in over 100 years.


oh look a party that supports a livable annual income while also trying to get greater worker control of the means of production
 
2014-03-22 01:53:21 PM
What about the free market?
 
2014-03-22 01:54:26 PM

Alphakronik: "Tracking violations may be difficult, however, because the welfare money can be taken off the electronic benefit card as cash through an ATM. "

Enough said.


What's happened in other jurisdictions is that essentially the law has been considered executed if the ATMs on the premises in question (strip clubs, etc) are programmed not to accept EBT cards.  The rationale being that the goal is to prevent impulse purchases with government assistance more than more thought-out deliberate fraud.

If you're  deliberately defrauding the system rather than just engaging in the impulsive bad decisions that (if you're spending your assistance money at the damned liquor store) is probably what made you poor in the first place, that's more a matter for specific investigations.

// Though, another question... passed as an  emergency bill?  Why the fark is this an "emergency"?  It's like the definition of a long-term issue.
 
2014-03-22 01:54:38 PM
By the way, is it possible to to go a whole thread without somebody in-lining a cartoon, movie still or lolcat-type thing? Isn't it easier simply to use your knowledge of a keyboardable human language? You know, "in your own words?"

Or is it that people have become so used to quoting pop culture that they're losing whatever ability they may have to think and speak for themselves?
 
2014-03-22 01:55:49 PM

ginandbacon: reprobate1125: ginandbacon: reprobate1125: The One True TheDavid: Jeez. We should stop letting stupid people vote, drive, get mortgages and breed.

We should also take away the voting power of anyone who is on government assistance. When you become a productive member of society again, you can vote. Until then, get out of the way of people who are doing the real work.

So retirees shouldn't vote? Or students? Or the disabled? Where's your red line?

Food stamps sounds like a good line.

Retirees are receiving benefits. Students on food stamps shouldn't vote.  Disabled. I'm fine with them.  They get too many parking spaces though. We need to distinguish between handicapped and fatticapped.

Thanks for asking.  Oh, and if you served in a branch of our military and were honorably discharged, you should still get to vote regardless.

You should also have to pass a test to prove that you have a basic understanding of government.  Last election I went to the polls and there were referendums on the ballot about intangible taxes.  With 100 people in the room I GUARANTEE you not more than 3 of them had any farking clue what an intangible tax is...yet these people make decisions that affect everyone.

What about all the military families and working poor who receive SNAP? Can they vote?


Guess you didn't read my post.

Obviously I'm being a bit facetious, but our voting system is entirely screwed up.

People walk into voting booths with a piece of paper given to them provided by (insert race/social group here) that says because you're part of  (insert race/social group here)  you should vote this way.

We do not have a constitutional right to vote. It's not there. There should be some sort of floor.

Our country has become a bunch of voting blocks and it will be our downfall.
 
2014-03-22 01:56:09 PM

Hobodeluxe: you can't buy those things with food stamps.
but you can buy hookers and blow with govt subsidy money if you run a corporation.


As a few people mentioned before, this is Louisiana. The only legitimate franchise they got is Popeye's.
 
2014-03-22 01:56:22 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Can we knock off the "you can buy these with food stamps!" breathless bullsh*t?

/Having been on food stamps, I know for a fact it's not true
//or I would have
///well, maybe not the psychics


Mostly true. But you can get someone to give you cash, usually about 50 cents on the dollar, to go grocery shopping for them with your food stamps. Then you can spend the cash on hookers and blow... eventually... if you save it up for several months.

/laser like focus on jobs duly noted
 
2014-03-22 01:56:36 PM

The One True TheDavid: [citation needed]


Are you intentionally going for irony or are you just stupid?  That was my entire point, you're making an extraordinary claim that it's unconstitutional for the  government to regulate what  government money is spent on.  Burden's on you to back that one up.
 
2014-03-22 01:56:38 PM
I got no problem saying you can't buy non-food (or infant-care) items with food stamps.  What I do think is silly is that (in Indiana) you can use them to buy a fountain soda, but only if you DON'T put the straw in before you pay.

I don't think soda is food, though.
 
2014-03-22 01:56:58 PM

cman: Before everyone goes all ape shiat, pay attention to how the headline does not match up with the story.

Its not Food Stamps; its cash benefits that are restricted.


Came here to say this.  Subby be trollin' or DNRTFA or both.

/Must be a day that ends in Y
 
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