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(Onion AV Club)   "Hannibal" has gotten so good now, it's weird to remember Anthony Hopkins used to clown around as that character (some spoilers in article)   (avclub.com ) divider line
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2014-03-22 12:10:22 PM  
Too bad almost no one is watching it since the network moved it to the Friday night death zone.
 
2014-03-22 12:29:46 PM  

Winterlight: Too bad almost no one is watching it since the network moved it to the Friday night death zone.


I'm still watching it.
 
2014-03-22 12:47:33 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: I'm still watching it.


Me and Mrs. Winterlight are, as well. Just not until after we've eaten.

Alas, the ratings are not doing well at all  Last night, it had a 0.9 rating (18-49) and a 3 share and less than 3 million viewers. Those are not sustainable numbers, especially considering it only debuted this season with a 1.1 rating (18-49), a 4 share and 3.35 million viewers.  [source]

Yes, as subby said, it is getting very, very good and Mads Mikkelsen's take on Hannibal is a sheer joy to watch. It's just a shame it was relegated to such a horrible slot on the schedule.
 
2014-03-22 02:00:52 PM  

Winterlight: Bathia_Mapes: I'm still watching it.

Me and Mrs. Winterlight are, as well. Just not until after we've eaten.

Alas, the ratings are not doing well at all  Last night, it had a 0.9 rating (18-49) and a 3 share and less than 3 million viewers. Those are not sustainable numbers, especially considering it only debuted this season with a 1.1 rating (18-49), a 4 share and 3.35 million viewers.  [source]

Yes, as subby said, it is getting very, very good and Mads Mikkelsen's take on Hannibal is a sheer joy to watch. It's just a shame it was relegated to such a horrible slot on the schedule.


I had my doubts about the series when it was first announced, but after the first episode I fell under the spell of Mads Mikkelsen. While Sir Anthony Hopkins did a fine job portraying Hannibal Lecter, Mads Mikkelsen does even better. As you said, he's a sheer joy to watch.

The ratings concern me as well. I follow very few shows, one or two at most, and I would be very unhappy if Hannibal was cancelled.

And then there are the meal preparation scenes. So beautifully done, so artistic in their rendering.
 
2014-03-22 02:03:18 PM  
Stupid TV execs.  I hope they find their own Hannibals.  Why they would prefer 40% of a sucky Friday night vs. 15% of a much larger Thursday night is a mystery to me but those idiots claim to know what they are doing even though the people buying ads don't agree.

/sacked TV execs in the past over million dollar TV ad deals.  The are all morons.
 
2014-03-22 02:05:18 PM  
Bathia_Mapes:

And then there are the meal preparation scenes. So beautifully done, so artistic in their rendering.

I wonder if one of the writers is sick of the TV chef concept and wanted to lift the game.
 
2014-03-22 02:38:17 PM  

Winterlight: Bathia_Mapes: I'm still watching it.

Me and Mrs. Winterlight are, as well. Just not until after we've eaten.

Alas, the ratings are not doing well at all  Last night, it had a 0.9 rating (18-49) and a 3 share and less than 3 million viewers. Those are not sustainable numbers, especially considering it only debuted this season with a 1.1 rating (18-49), a 4 share and 3.35 million viewers.  [source]

Yes, as subby said, it is getting very, very good and Mads Mikkelsen's take on Hannibal is a sheer joy to watch. It's just a shame it was relegated to such a horrible slot on the schedule.


do they count the DVR at all? i LOVE the show, but the lady gets nightmares, so a friday night watch is out of the question for me
 
2014-03-22 02:40:07 PM  

Winterlight: Too bad almost no one is watching it since the network moved it to the Friday night death zone.


Good. Hopefully NBC will yank it from their schedule, and HBO or Showtime will pick it up (the showrunner said he already has a list of potential takers if NBC cancels).

I have more faith that someone other than NB will cough up the money to MGM to get rights to Clarice Starling, Paul Krendler, Renaldo Pazzi, and Maison Verger. Clarice, Paul, and Pazzi can wait a few years (given their current 7-year plan), but Verger could easily be introduced this season or next.

/plus boobs. Don't think they could add more blood even if they tried, but the show could use some boobs.
 
2014-03-22 02:42:39 PM  
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Hopkins, Schmopkins.

"Do you still dream, Will?"
 
2014-03-22 02:47:35 PM  
I wonder if NBC is ashamed to have such a gory show and is trying to get it cancelled. It's been so long since I've read the books I can't really tell where the show would fit in. I guess this season Hannibal should be arrested and become something like the Hannibal we knew in Silence of the Lambs? Though it doesn't really matter if they storylines are completely different, it's a fun show and it's good enough to stand alone.
 
2014-03-22 02:47:40 PM  
Hmm...perhaps I should start watching this show. I do like the universe from the movies.
 
2014-03-22 02:50:37 PM  

Winterlight: Too bad almost no one is watching it since the network moved it to the Friday night death zone.


eh, technically it's a decent spot as Grimm is it's lead in. It wasn't really doing that well in it's previous slot either. Quite a shame as it's easily one of the best shows on now.
 
2014-03-22 02:58:28 PM  

violentsalvation: I wonder if NBC is ashamed to have such a gory show and is trying to get it cancelled. It's been so long since I've read the books I can't really tell where the show would fit in. I guess this season Hannibal should be arrested and become something like the Hannibal we knew in Silence of the Lambs? Though it doesn't really matter if they storylines are completely different, it's a fun show and it's good enough to stand alone.


Based on an interview I read, the showrunners' plan is as roughly as follows:

Seasons 1-3: Original material developing Will Graham, Hannibal Lector, Jack Crawford, Frederick Chilton, etc., leading to Hannibal's incarceration and Will's first retirement
Season 4: based upon the Red Dragon novel
Season 5: based upon the Silence of the Lambs novel (once they license the character rights for Starling, Krendler, and a few others)
Season 6: based upon the Hannibal novel (again, I don't think they have rights to Verger, Pazzi, etc just yet)
Season 7: Original material resolving the Hannibal/Clarice storyline

They're jumping the gun quite a bit on Will discovering Lector is eating his victims, so it's obviously not going to perfectly follow the books. Though the missus and I have enjoyed a few post-episode conversations talking about who we'd like to see as Clarice, Krendler, Verger, etc. when the time comes. I just hope they have the energy and creativity to keep the show at its current level. If they do, some network will let them finish their plan (even if it isn't NBC).
 
2014-03-22 03:10:43 PM  

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Hopkins, Schmopkins.

"Do you still dream, Will?"


This is pretty much Hannibal in the time period before Red Dragon took place. Which, of course, is pre-Silence of the Lambs.
 
2014-03-22 03:26:55 PM  
Any other channel that not a network would be beyond happy to have this show. But since its NBC they are trying to kill it with a graveyard slot. But Fuller has said that hes gotten offers from cable and Amazon streaming if NBC cancels is

Last night ep was amazing. Heck the whole show is and I was very skeptical about it
 
2014-03-22 03:29:00 PM  

clkeagle: violentsalvation: I wonder if NBC is ashamed to have such a gory show and is trying to get it cancelled. It's been so long since I've read the books I can't really tell where the show would fit in. I guess this season Hannibal should be arrested and become something like the Hannibal we knew in Silence of the Lambs? Though it doesn't really matter if they storylines are completely different, it's a fun show and it's good enough to stand alone.

Based on an interview I read, the showrunners' plan is as roughly as follows:

Seasons 1-3: Original material developing Will Graham, Hannibal Lector, Jack Crawford, Frederick Chilton, etc., leading to Hannibal's incarceration and Will's first retirement
Season 4: based upon the Red Dragon novel
Season 5: based upon the Silence of the Lambs novel (once they license the character rights for Starling, Krendler, and a few others)
Season 6: based upon the Hannibal novel (again, I don't think they have rights to Verger, Pazzi, etc just yet)
Season 7: Original material resolving the Hannibal/Clarice storyline

They're jumping the gun quite a bit on Will discovering Lector is eating his victims, so it's obviously not going to perfectly follow the books. Though the missus and I have enjoyed a few post-episode conversations talking about who we'd like to see as Clarice, Krendler, Verger, etc. when the time comes. I just hope they have the energy and creativity to keep the show at its current level. If they do, some network will let them finish their plan (even if it isn't NBC).


Actually, the only book they don't have the rights to is Silence of the Lambs (which Lifetime is currently trying to use to develop a series around Clarice), so the only characters that are off limits (for now...) are the ones unique to that one, and they can't use the plot. The DeLaurentiis family has the rights to everything else. Mason Verger has been cast and will be appearing later this season. As I understand it, Clarice is a Quicksilver/Scarlett Witch-type situation, where both Fox and Marvel Films can use them, but only in specific ways unique to one another.
 
2014-03-22 03:33:52 PM  
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2014-03-22 03:47:59 PM  
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2014-03-22 03:51:31 PM  

Winterlight: Too bad almost no one is watching it since the network moved it to the Friday night death zone.


Average viewership on Thursday nights last year: 2.82 million viewers.
Average viewership on Friday nights this year: 2.76 million viewers.

Nobody was watching it last year either.
 
2014-03-22 03:56:49 PM  

ItchyMcDoogle: But since its NBC they are trying to kill it with a graveyard slot


I don't buy that NBC is trying to kill the show. If anything, it's move to a slot after Grimm was probably in hopes it would get a ratings boost. I have no idea why it's not getting more viewers though.
 
2014-03-22 03:57:26 PM  

Jizz Master Zero: Actually, the only book they don't have the rights to is Silence of the Lambs (which Lifetime is currently trying to use to develop a series around Clarice), so the only characters that are off limits (for now...) are the ones unique to that one, and they can't use the plot. The DeLaurentiis family has the rights to everything else. Mason Verger has been cast and will be appearing later this season. As I understand it, Clarice is a Quicksilver/Scarlett Witch-type situation, where both Fox and Marvel Films can use them, but only in specific ways unique to one another.


Oh, fantastic. I've been deliberately trying to avoid any kind of spoilers. So the characters they're missing are basically Clarice, Gumb, Krendler, and Barney?

And holy crap - if anyone at Lifetime thinks they will profit more from their own trainwreck of a series, instead of licensing the characters to NBC and getting a piece of the Hannibal acclaim, they deserve to be fired. Or possibly eaten.
 
2014-03-22 04:06:43 PM  
I love the show but not Will Graham...  They could have gotten a stronger character, or they need to stop playing fun house music when he is in his mind palace.
 
2014-03-22 04:23:50 PM  
I want Hannibal to burst into a well choreographed song and dance routine in his kitchen.
 
2014-03-22 04:35:39 PM  

FunkOut: I want Hannibal to burst into a well choreographed song and dance routine in his kitchen.


with this show, i expect that to actually happen and for it to be played 100% straight... then never mentioned again

/and the music would be 'singing in the rain'
 
2014-03-22 04:49:13 PM  

tlchwi02: FunkOut: I want Hannibal to burst into a well choreographed song and dance routine in his kitchen.

with this show, i expect that to actually happen and for it to be played 100% straight... then never mentioned again

/and the music would be 'singing in the rain'


Yes. It would end with a little knowing smirk.
 
2014-03-22 05:03:26 PM  

tlchwi02: FunkOut: I want Hannibal to burst into a well choreographed song and dance routine in his kitchen.

with this show, i expect that to actually happen and for it to be played 100% straight... then never mentioned again

/and the music would be 'singing in the rain'


I imagine something along the lines of the movie Barcelona, when he is reading the bible and he breaks into a strange dance to the tune of Transylvania 6500
 
2014-03-22 05:10:43 PM  
It's the prettiest show on TV.
 
2014-03-22 05:13:08 PM  
The show is subsidized by a french company so unless NBC thinks they can find a hit they'll keep it around since its so cheep (for them anyways)
 
2014-03-22 05:16:26 PM  

ShadowKamui: The show is subsidized by a french company so unless NBC thinks they can find a hit they'll keep it around since its so cheep (for them anyways)


my guess is also that though NBC prefers ratings, they'll take critically acclaimed shows like Parks & Recs, Community, and Hannibal as loss-leaders to at least attract talent. At this point, I think they may see cancelling these shows as potentially losing an audience that just might not tune in period and with little options on the table to replace those shows.
 
2014-03-22 05:26:21 PM  

FeedTheCollapse: ShadowKamui: The show is subsidized by a french company so unless NBC thinks they can find a hit they'll keep it around since its so cheep (for them anyways)

my guess is also that though NBC prefers ratings, they'll take critically acclaimed shows like Parks & Recs, Community, and Hannibal as loss-leaders to at least attract talent. At this point, I think they may see cancelling these shows as potentially losing an audience that just might not tune in period and with little options on the table to replace those shows.


I'd argue that's probably pretty true. Every now and then watching the show i say "WAIT WTF IS THIS NBC?"

it can't hurt them to have a rather brilliant cutting edge show on the schedule, but then again, NBC
 
2014-03-22 05:26:26 PM  
"Hannibal" is Goddamned phenomenal.  Like most people, the idea of a TV show about Lecter wasn't too exciting to me, but fark.  This show is awesome.
 
2014-03-22 05:27:51 PM  
Netflix needs to pick it up after its inevitable cancellation. They could take it much further into the shadows than NBC.
 
2014-03-22 05:30:47 PM  
Hannibal is one of the best shows on TV and people aren't watching it... this saddens me.
 
2014-03-22 05:38:10 PM  

carrion_luggage: Netflix needs to pick it up after its inevitable cancellation. They could take it much further into the shadows than NBC.


I agree,

Because while I dig Lecter, Kevin Spacey and Robin Wright are far darker people on house of cards.
 
2014-03-22 05:43:51 PM  

theflatline: carrion_luggage: Netflix needs to pick it up after its inevitable cancellation. They could take it much further into the shadows than NBC.

I agree,

Because while I dig Lecter, Kevin Spacey and Robin Wright are far darker people on house of cards.


They are darker right now... But I can't wait to see how Mikkelssen is going to play Lecter after the character spends eight years in the dungeon with Chilton.
 
2014-03-22 05:45:24 PM  

arekthorn: Hannibal is one of the best shows on TV and people aren't watching it... this saddens me.


It happens.  In fact, it's usually the case that the best shows are watched by very few people.  Most of the best television (and media in general for that matter) makes you think and makes you feel and a lot of people don't like their entertainment to make them think or feel.
 
2014-03-22 05:58:38 PM  
Mads is amazing as an actor, and I hope he continues to find work regardless of what happens with the show.
 
2014-03-22 06:07:38 PM  
I've never even heard of this show. WTF.
 
2014-03-22 06:16:10 PM  

DeathByGeekSquad: Mads is amazing as an actor, and I hope he continues to find work regardless of what happens with the show.


I thnk that will go the other way. With the acclaim this show is receiving, it's going to be tough for NBC (or whoever else) to keep Dancy committed for four years, Fishburne for five or six, and Mikkelsen for seven years. Directors are going to be offering them dump trucks full of cash to jump ship.

Maybe the thirteen episode format will help with that - giving them chances to work on feature films between seasons.
 
2014-03-22 06:25:57 PM  

theflatline: carrion_luggage: Netflix needs to pick it up after its inevitable cancellation. They could take it much further into the shadows than NBC.

I agree,

Because while I dig Lecter, Kevin Spacey and Robin Wright are far darker people on house of cards.


Darker than killing and eating people?
 
2014-03-22 06:56:56 PM  

FunkOut: theflatline: carrion_luggage: Netflix needs to pick it up after its inevitable cancellation. They could take it much further into the shadows than NBC.

I agree,

Because while I dig Lecter, Kevin Spacey and Robin Wright are far darker people on house of cards.

Darker than killing and eating people?


They have eaten anyone, but have killed and manipulated on a mass scale.
 
2014-03-22 06:59:26 PM  
Mads is damn good as Hannibal, but the show itself I stopped watching around the 2/3rds mark of last season.  The bullshiat romance was the last straw.  Focus more on Hannibal and not these ninnies pls.
 
2014-03-22 07:07:43 PM  

TheSelphie: Mads is damn good as Hannibal, but the show itself I stopped watching around the 2/3rds mark of last season.  The bullshiat romance was the last straw.  Focus more on Hannibal and not these ninnies pls.


yeah, you should've kept watching...
 
2014-03-22 07:17:39 PM  
Never watched it, never cared for it.
 
2014-03-22 07:25:28 PM  

FeedTheCollapse: ItchyMcDoogle: But since its NBC they are trying to kill it with a graveyard slot

I don't buy that NBC is trying to kill the show. If anything, it's move to a slot after Grimm was probably in hopes it would get a ratings boost. I have no idea why it's not getting more viewers though.


Probably because people are watching it on their own time. I've read runs on Hulu and On Demand really boost the audience numbers. And it has a huge cult following. (It was a hit at Comic Con.)

I wonder how many people are watching it not in their living rooms while sitting on the couch but on devices like their tablets and laptops while snuggled under the covers in bed. Like they need to set the mood to watch a horror show like Hannibal. (I do this and I know a few people who do this as well.)
 
2014-03-22 08:00:48 PM  

Dinobot: Never watched it, never cared for it.


Right.

You've heard it. Everyone pack up shop, he doesn't care about it, even though he cared to post in the thread about it. See ya'll in the Sweeps season.
 
2014-03-22 08:10:39 PM  

theflatline: I love the show but not Will Graham...  They could have gotten a stronger character, or they need to stop playing fun house music when he is in his mind palace.


Yeah, I agree. This is a great show, but I hate when Graham comes on. I don't like the actor they chose to play him (though I'm sure I'd love the actor in other roles elsewhere) or the whole going to his mind place. Everything else is great though.
 
2014-03-22 08:22:07 PM  
I love everything about this show. The actors, the way it's shot, the writing - everything. Fanfarkingtastic.
 
2014-03-22 09:02:14 PM  
I was ready to dismiss the show after the first couple episodes but kept watching and by 3-4 I was pretty hooked.  I feel season 2 has started off with way too much goofy melodrama but am hopeful that it's just a slow burn like the first season (haven't seen the most recent episode yet).  One valid complaint I've heard is that Hannibal is very difficult for some people to understand...a combination of the accent and low voice I guess.
 
2014-03-22 09:16:47 PM  

TheSelphie: Mads is damn good as Hannibal, but the show itself I stopped watching around the 2/3rds mark of last season.  The bullshiat romance was the last straw.  Focus more on Hannibal and not these ninnies pls.


There was a romance last season?
 
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