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(AM and PM News)   Cuba gives doctors big pay raise. To $64 a month. When they make assistant manager, though, that's when the big bucks roll in   (amandpmnews.com) divider line 52
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2014-03-22 08:59:33 AM  
www.roadkilltshirts.com
 
2014-03-22 09:01:22 AM  
Thanks Cuba!
www.hopkinschildrens.org
 
2014-03-22 09:02:29 AM  
Was that Louie Anderson?
 
2014-03-22 09:09:15 AM  
This will be the salaries of the doctors here due to the Obamacare so I am not sure we should be those who do a judgment.
 
2014-03-22 09:12:32 AM  
 
2014-03-22 09:22:49 AM  

meow said the dog: This will be the salaries of the doctors here due to the Obamacare so I am not sure we should be those who do a judgment.


You say that like it's a bad thing.
 
2014-03-22 09:32:00 AM  

capt.hollister: That's a pointless equivalence since Cuba doesn't use the dollar. Cubans buy everything using the Cuban peso and what really matters is what their salary allows them to buy.


They can never travel out of the country or buy foreign made goods.
 
2014-03-22 09:34:09 AM  
Cuban doctors make peanuts yet are amongst the best in the world.  Since all education in Cuba is free, anyone with the skill and desire can become a doctor and not have to spend the first 20 years of their career paying off a giant loan.  Cuban doctors are in demand everywhere and are sent all over the place to help developing countries (in fact, Cuba contributes more doctors than all G8 countries combined).  In Cuba health care is completely free and the ratio of doctors to general population is the highest in the world.  Americans flee to Cuba for secret medical treatment they can't afford to get at home, which is pretty damned embarrassing for the US.

Of course, the big issue is money and the low pay of Cuban doctors nullifies all of the good things I just wrote above in the minds of most.  The lack of freedom to pursue wealth is seen as the worst possible state of existence for a country to be in, even if an educated, healthy and socially-rich poverty that is understood as the way of life might actually be better than the disenchanted, disgruntled rat race people endure while chasing the fantasy of riches in a capitalist country like Canada or the United States.  Yes, great wealth and influence is available to those who are lucky, devious or creative enough to acquire it, but the vast majority are left with their head in the clouds and their feet completely absent from any sort of ground.  It's no small wonder why so many people in the west are often so depressed, angry and resentful when they are told they can achieve something and later find out that they cannot.  And the reward for their struggle?  Expensive for-profit education and health care that leave people ignorant and unhealthy.

Poverty is hardly a bad thing if you accept it and dedicate your time and energy to finding happiness with your family and friends, with the work that you do and with the natural beauty of the world around you.  Sure, those things aren't as exciting as fancy gadgets, big houses and stylish clothes, but they're really all anyone needs to be truly happy (which I argue the others can never bring about).  The computer I'm writing this on is the most expensive thing I own and I've been quite content with only the amount of money I need to eat and shelter myself for many, many years.  When you accept a simple, unambitious life you suffer less stress, less anxiety, less anger and gain a greater appreciation for relationships and the place you call home.

I think people should be less quick to judge Cuba harshly and instead look at some of the ways it manages to do things right.  The old enmity and boogie-man fear of communism is ridiculous and needs to go.  World-leading countries should look inward at their own many problems before they decide to point the finger of blame at the little guys around them.  Of course, that will never happen and most of you probably disagree vehemently, only showcasing the unfortunate state many people allow themselves to live in.
 
2014-03-22 09:39:58 AM  
Pattuq:

In capitalist countries you don't have to be a part of the rat race. I'm not. I strictly limit the number of hours I work per day am content with what I have, not keeping up with the Jones.  That's my decision not the government's.
 
2014-03-22 09:46:19 AM  
Pattuq the Novelist.
 
2014-03-22 09:48:28 AM  

meow said the dog: Pattuq the Novelist.


Russian novelist at that
 
2014-03-22 09:50:41 AM  
That sounds in line with my Tropico experience.
 
2014-03-22 09:56:21 AM  

Pattuq: Cuban doctors make peanuts yet are amongst the best in the world.


So why did their leader fly off to Venezuela for treatment?
 
2014-03-22 09:59:34 AM  

uber humper: capt.hollister: That's a pointless equivalence since Cuba doesn't use the dollar. Cubans buy everything using the Cuban peso and what really matters is what their salary allows them to buy.

They can never travel out of the country or buy foreign made goods.


And how much of that is the American's fault for all the sanctions?
 
2014-03-22 10:01:41 AM  
That boy is good. Mmhmm. Good and terrible.
 
2014-03-22 10:07:18 AM  

doglover: uber humper: capt.hollister: That's a pointless equivalence since Cuba doesn't use the dollar. Cubans buy everything using the Cuban peso and what really matters is what their salary allows them to buy.

They can never travel out of the country or buy foreign made goods.

And how much of that is the American's fault for all the sanctions?


Their tax rate, until recently, was 100%.

Also, they aren't allowed to leave the country.

They have the rest of the world to trade with.

I'd say it's their own fault.
 
2014-03-22 10:07:25 AM  

farkeruk: Pattuq: Cuban doctors make peanuts yet are amongst the best in the world.

So why did their leader fly off to Venezuela for treatment?


peanut allergy
 
2014-03-22 10:12:51 AM  
This January Peugeot opened a dealership with their sedans starting at 250,000$US . If a doctor can't afford to buy a 4 door economy car, who can?


http://www.npr.org/blogs/parallels/2014/01/09/261111796/cuba-land-of -t he-250-000-family-sedan
 
2014-03-22 10:15:59 AM  

Pattuq: Cuban doctors make peanuts yet are amongst the best in the world.  Since all education in Cuba is free, anyone with the skill and desire can become a doctor and not have to spend the first 20 years of their career paying off a giant loan.  Cuban doctors are in demand everywhere and are sent all over the place to help developing countries (in fact, Cuba contributes more doctors than all G8 countries combined).  In Cuba health care is completely free and the ratio of doctors to general population is the highest in the world.  Americans flee to Cuba for secret medical treatment they can't afford to get at home, which is pretty damned embarrassing for the US.

Of course, the big issue is money and the low pay of Cuban doctors nullifies all of the good things I just wrote above in the minds of most.  The lack of freedom to pursue wealth is seen as the worst possible state of existence for a country to be in, even if an educated, healthy and socially-rich poverty that is understood as the way of life might actually be better than the disenchanted, disgruntled rat race people endure while chasing the fantasy of riches in a capitalist country like Canada or the United States.  Yes, great wealth and influence is available to those who are lucky, devious or creative enough to acquire it, but the vast majority are left with their head in the clouds and their feet completely absent from any sort of ground.  It's no small wonder why so many people in the west are often so depressed, angry and resentful when they are told they can achieve something and later find out that they cannot.  And the reward for their struggle?  Expensive for-profit education and health care that leave people ignorant and unhealthy.

Poverty is hardly a bad thing if you accept it and dedicate your time and energy to finding happiness with your family and friends, with the work that you do and with the natural beauty of the world around you.  Sure, those things aren't as exciting as fancy gadgets, big houses and stylish clothes, but they're really all anyone needs to be truly happy (which I argue the others can never bring about).  The computer I'm writing this on is the most expensive thing I own and I've been quite content with only the amount of money I need to eat and shelter myself for many, many years.  When you accept a simple, unambitious life you suffer less stress, less anxiety, less anger and gain a greater appreciation for relationships and the place you call home.

I think people should be less quick to judge Cuba harshly and instead look at some of the ways it manages to do things right.  The old enmity and boogie-man fear of communism is ridiculous and needs to go.  World-leading countries should look inward at their own many problems before they decide to point the finger of blame at the little guys around them.  Of course, that will never happen and most of you probably disagree vehemently, only showcasing the unfortunate state many people allow themselves to live in.


Thanks for the brain food.

Even though I know your words won't create a major paradigm shift in my life, they do help 'balance' me out.

I still feel people should have a drive to change things, and that kind of change requires capital.


/had to sneak that word in ;)
 
2014-03-22 10:36:18 AM  
Exactly the same as doctors in America after you subtract the cost of med school (and the cost of living in America)
 
2014-03-22 10:56:23 AM  

Pattuq: fear of communism is ridiculous


your Cuban healthcare system is rediculous
 
2014-03-22 10:56:58 AM  
ridiculous
 
2014-03-22 10:57:25 AM  

farkeruk: Pattuq: Cuban doctors make peanuts yet are amongst the best in the world.

So why did their leader fly off to Venezuela for treatment?


Because they have better fascilities in Venezuela.

The doctors would have been Cuban of course, just like everything in administration and public service is Cuban in Venezuela.

Since Cuba is running Venezuela, why not take advantage of it?
 
2014-03-22 11:01:25 AM  
Has anybody extolled the virtues of socialism and single payor yet?
 
2014-03-22 11:01:40 AM  

spawn73: farkeruk: Pattuq: Cuban doctors make peanuts yet are amongst the best in the world.

So why did their leader fly off to Venezuela for treatment?

Because they have better fascilities in Venezuela.

The doctors would have been Cuban of course, just like everything in administration and public service is Cuban in Venezuela.

Since Cuba is running Venezuela, why not take advantage of it?


You dudes are dyslexic. Hugo went to Cuba.
 
2014-03-22 11:24:42 AM  
How did that work out for him?

Oh right, they couldn't even figure out what kind of cancer it was and he died at 58 after two years of botched agonizing "treatment".
 
2014-03-22 11:37:33 AM  

cchris_39: How did that work out for him?

Oh right, they couldn't even figure out what kind of cancer it was and he died at 58 after two years of botched agonizing "treatment".


I agree with you.  I was just pointing out that they had it backwards.
 
2014-03-22 11:41:28 AM  

IronTom: Pattuq: fear of communism is ridiculous

your Cuban healthcare system is rediculous


Cuba spends a smaller portion of it tiny GDP on health care than we do. And they live longer. (Source: CIA Factbook)

Think about how horrifyingly inefficient we are. We're worse than Cuba. And we spend more than every other country on the planet. Not just in total. But in % of what we have. We're not only inefficient. We're stupid!

But that's not the beauty part. No. The beauty part is that there's a huge portion of Americans who like it that way!  And think it violates some precious part of themselves to have it any other way. They like overpaying for less! They like increasing human misery on a whim!

Bwahahahahahahaha!
 
2014-03-22 11:51:16 AM  

uber humper: they aren't allowed to leave the country.


really?
 
2014-03-22 11:52:04 AM  

Deacon Blue: Was that Louie Anderson?


Yep. One of my all time favourite scenes.
 
2014-03-22 11:58:03 AM  
President Raul Castro last month rejected pay increases for other state workers, but said they were justified for doctors, dentists and nurses "because at the moment the country's main income is due to the work of thousands of doctors overseas".

Sounds like he made a capitalistic decision.
 
2014-03-22 12:04:31 PM  

doglover: uber humper: they aren't allowed to leave the country.

really?


I was down there in 2013 and the laws, according to a local, have been laxed somewhat, but one of the problems is that no one can afford to go anywhere.
I believe most doctors are trained in other countries but come back as soon as they're done.
 
2014-03-22 12:06:42 PM  

Pattuq: Cuban doctors make peanuts yet are amongst the best in the world.  Since all education in Cuba is free, anyone with the skill and desire can become a doctor and not have to spend the first 20 years of their career paying off a giant loan.  Cuban doctors are in demand everywhere and are sent all over the place to help developing countries (in fact, Cuba contributes more doctors than all G8 countries combined).  In Cuba health care is completely free and the ratio of doctors to general population is the highest in the world.  Americans flee to Cuba for secret medical treatment they can't afford to get at home, which is pretty damned embarrassing for the US.

Of course, the big issue is money and the low pay of Cuban doctors nullifies all of the good things I just wrote above in the minds of most.  The lack of freedom to pursue wealth is seen as the worst possible state of existence for a country to be in, even if an educated, healthy and socially-rich poverty that is understood as the way of life might actually be better than the disenchanted, disgruntled rat race people endure while chasing the fantasy of riches in a capitalist country like Canada or the United States.  Yes, great wealth and influence is available to those who are lucky, devious or creative enough to acquire it, but the vast majority are left with their head in the clouds and their feet completely absent from any sort of ground.  It's no small wonder why so many people in the west are often so depressed, angry and resentful when they are told they can achieve something and later find out that they cannot.  And the reward for their struggle?  Expensive for-profit education and health care that leave people ignorant and unhealthy.

Poverty is hardly a bad thing if you accept it and dedicate your time and energy to finding happiness with your family and friends, with the work that you do and with the natural beauty of the world around you.  Sure, those things aren't as exciting as fancy gadgets, big hou ...


Oh, where to begin.  Cuban doctors are among the best in the world?  Please tell me about all the ground breaking procedures these doctors have developed, and lets get a citation while we are at it for the "best in the world" and not a citation from Granma or the North Korean news Agency.  After Cuban doctors botched Castro's treatment for stomach cancer, doctors from Europe were flown in to save his life

Any one with the skill and desire can become a doctor?  It's the state bureaucrats who decide who gets what job through out the economy, and i suspect medical training goes to those with a clean party background.

People in the west are depressed?  Sure some are, but its a lot higher in Cuba, under Castro Cuban had the highest suicide rate in the world, by the   80s I think, the government ceased reporting that statistic.

Oh, and patients are expected to provide their own towels and bedding in Cuban "hospitals"
 
2014-03-22 12:19:37 PM  
Poor bastards will never pay off those student loans.
 
2014-03-22 12:31:27 PM  

doglover: uber humper: they aren't allowed to leave the country.

really?


Yes, and quite a few have died trying to escape. Others defect when when they are here on state sponsored trips for sporting events. The United States has had a standing policy to naturalize Cubans who can get here.

Most, if not all, communist countries have/had restrictions on movement.  The Berlin Wall is a good example example.
 
2014-03-22 12:36:26 PM  
All I know from Cuba is that we had a Cuban dish washer once who was so horrified at how much Americans worked and how little they got for it that he said fark this and went back.

/Not really all I know
//It's still a funny story
///THREES
 
2014-03-22 12:45:41 PM  

ginandbacon: All I know from Cuba is that we had a Cuban dish washer once who was so horrified at how much Americans worked and how little they got for it that he said fark this and went back.

/Not really all I know
//It's still a funny story
///THREES


It's a good place for dishwashers.

BTW, how did he get here? Did he risk his life on a homemade boat or as a stowaway? He didn't just leave.

your story sounds a little contrived
 
2014-03-22 12:48:27 PM  

alinac: President Raul Castro last month rejected pay increases for other state workers, but said they were justified for doctors, dentists and nurses "because at the moment the country's main income is due to the work of thousands of doctors overseas".

Sounds like he made a capitalistic decision.


How so?
 
2014-03-22 12:48:41 PM  
happyat90miles.com

What people leaving Cuba might look like
 
2014-03-22 12:50:11 PM  

El Supe: lets get a citation


If you're going to ask for supporting evidence, best practices include then providing supporting evidence for your counter-examples.
 
2014-03-22 12:54:13 PM  

uber humper: ginandbacon: All I know from Cuba is that we had a Cuban dish washer once who was so horrified at how much Americans worked and how little they got for it that he said fark this and went back.

/Not really all I know
//It's still a funny story
///THREES

It's a good place for dishwashers.

BTW, how did he get here? Did he risk his life on a homemade boat or as a stowaway? He didn't just leave.

your story sounds a little contrived


He never would tell us exactly. He had family somewhere, probably Florida or New York? And on my mam's life, I swear it's true. Also, I had a hard time with his accent. The Brazilians all hated him. They said he was lazy. (Which he kind of was.) He just seemed miserable all the time. I felt sorry for him.
 
2014-03-22 01:17:03 PM  

uber humper: [happyat90miles.com image 696x580]

What people leaving America for Cuba might look like


FTFY

Why do you fear communism?
 
2014-03-22 01:30:42 PM  
This is the kind of pay raise our doctors will only be able to dream of in 20 years.
 
2014-03-22 01:31:51 PM  
i973.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-22 03:08:40 PM  

LewDux: uber humper: [happyat90miles.com image 696x580]

What people leaving America for Cuba might look like

FTFY

Why do you fear communism?


You live in a fantasy world, man.  Those are actually people leaving Cuba for the US. You're nuts.
 
2014-03-22 03:25:15 PM  

uber humper: LewDux: uber humper: [happyat90miles.com image 696x580]

What people leaving America for Cuba might look like

FTFY

Why do you fear communism?

You live in a fantasy world, man.  Those are actually people leaving Cuba for the US. You're nuts.


uber humper: Also, they aren't allowed to leave the country.


Your farneofasckapitalnazi logic sucks
 
2014-03-22 03:48:26 PM  

LewDux: Your farneofasckapitalnazi logic sucks


I'm not a Nazi. I believe in a limited government and a powerful citizenry.

And no, they're not allowed to leave that's why they use makeshift boats to escape instead of by more typical means. It's very dangerous for them to do so, not just to themselves on the trip but to the family they leave behind in Cuba.The US government gives them citizenship of they get here. Similar to East Germans tunneling under the Berlin Wall to defect to the west, or North Koreans using boats to escape to South Korea.
 
2014-03-22 04:14:46 PM  

LewDux: Why do you fear communism?


Fear Communism?...hahaha. It's a failed ideology every time it's been tried and it's responsible for over 150 million dead in the last century. Communism and all it's mutations need to go into the dust bin of history forever, comrade.
 
2014-03-22 04:24:56 PM  

Fano: That sounds in line with my Tropico experience.


No, $50 is the max. And they'd better make sure that
 
2014-03-22 04:28:07 PM  

uber humper: LewDux: Your farneofasckapitalnazi logic sucks

I'm not a Nazi. I believe in a limited government and a powerful citizenry.

And no, they're not allowed to leave that's why they use makeshift boats to escape instead of by more typical means. It's very dangerous for them to do so, not just to themselves on the trip but to the family they leave behind in Cuba.The US government gives them citizenship of they get here. Similar to East Germans tunneling under the Berlin Wall to defect to the west, or North Koreans using boats to escape to South Korea.


You are very serious
 
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