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2014-03-22 08:47:41 AM  
Do you get tinnitus?
 
2014-03-22 08:48:56 AM  
Wait you mean this is not the healthiest of things? Go do the figuring!
 
2014-03-22 08:51:09 AM  
Let's ban the thing that will help millions stop smoking, that makes sense
 
2014-03-22 08:51:37 AM  
I gave up chain smoking years ago.
 
2014-03-22 08:55:07 AM  

wildcardjack: I gave up chain smoking years ago.


Weird. I thought you steel did.
 
2014-03-22 08:58:26 AM  

meow said the dog: wildcardjack: I gave up chain smoking years ago.

Weird. I thought you steel did.


The puns on this site are starting to get alloying
 
2014-03-22 08:58:31 AM  
in th last few months I've cut way down on smoking on my way to quitting. I considered ecigs but there's too much conflicting information. Hopefully people aren't being harmed while trying to get healthier.

Most public places I know don't allow ecigs, simply because other patrons see it and assume it's a real cigarette and bother management about it. And a bar owner told me he won't allow it because he's a former smoker and it's a trigger for him.
 
2014-03-22 08:59:27 AM  
 
2014-03-22 09:00:39 AM  

Smoking GNU: meow said the dog: wildcardjack: I gave up chain smoking years ago.

Weird. I thought you steel did.

The puns on this site are starting to get alloying


They're just trying to iron out their differences.
 
2014-03-22 09:01:29 AM  

Smoking GNU: meow said the dog: wildcardjack: I gave up chain smoking years ago.

Weird. I thought you steel did.

The puns on this site are starting to get alloying


Your asking for the wrath of quite a few people if you mess with meow.
Don't be so cranky.
 
2014-03-22 09:03:19 AM  
The husband I quit smoking three years ago with the help of ecigs. Started out at 24 mg of nicotine and went down to 6. I'll occasionally use it if I'm drinking or whatever but the taste of a cigarette or the smell makes my head hurt. Obviously not for everyone but it helped us.
 
2014-03-22 09:03:34 AM  

minuslars: Let's spin this another way!

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/infozone/news/2587.html


LAUGHTER OL. "Study"
 
2014-03-22 09:04:05 AM  
Is this "metal" healthier than the arsenic, tar, and carcinogen salad that comes with traditional cigarettes?
 
2014-03-22 09:06:37 AM  

Vodka Zombie: Is this "metal" healthier than the arsenic, tar, and carcinogen salad that comes with traditional cigarettes?


Maybe this is. Maybe this is not.
 
2014-03-22 09:06:48 AM  
So it might kill smokers faster, either way everyone quits.
 
2014-03-22 09:07:34 AM  

meow said the dog: Wait you mean this is not the healthiest of things? Go do the figuring!


I've been assured that they cure small penis syndrome and smell like unicorn farts. So there's that to consider.
 
2014-03-22 09:08:39 AM  

mialynneb: The husband I quit smoking three years ago with the help of ecigs. Started out at 24 mg of nicotine and went down to 6. I'll occasionally use it if I'm drinking or whatever but the taste of a cigarette or the smell makes my head hurt. Obviously not for everyone but it helped us.


My hubs too. He was a pretty heavy smoker and now he doesn't smoke at all, thanks to e-cigs. (as he sits next to me, puffing away on one) I'm grateful for the things.
 
2014-03-22 09:09:25 AM  

Vodka Zombie: Is this "metal" healthier than the arsenic, tar, and carcinogen salad that comes with traditional cigarettes?


Unless it's Zinc, no, not really.

Zinc is the only metal that can be present in the ecosystems in large amounts (think mining) which DOESN'T cause a wide range of health issues, like cancer and tumours and so on.
 
2014-03-22 09:11:06 AM  
The bullshiat of the lobbyists is amazinc to me.
 
2014-03-22 09:13:31 AM  
I don't know hot e-cigs get or how likely oxides are to form but metal oxides (including ZnO) are toxic when inhaled. Check out metal fume fever.
 
2014-03-22 09:14:15 AM  

Archie Goodwin: Smoking GNU: meow said the dog: wildcardjack: I gave up chain smoking years ago.

Weird. I thought you steel did.

The puns on this site are starting to get alloying

They're just trying to iron out their differences.


I wish I had a nickel for every bad pun I've read on this site.
 
2014-03-22 09:16:20 AM  

minuslars: I don't know hot e-cigs get or how likely oxides are to form but metal oxides (including ZnO) are toxic when inhaled. Check out metal fume fever.


So, what you're saying is that I should toss that galvanized drum I've been using to make my famous chicken tikka?
 
2014-03-22 09:21:07 AM  
I wonder what's the opinion of Dr. Jenny McCarthy on this matter.
 
2014-03-22 09:23:07 AM  
If it's only a small amount, would you say that they are inhaling baby metal?
 
2014-03-22 09:35:43 AM  
Bad for your metal health.
 
2014-03-22 09:37:19 AM  

CruJones: Let's ban the thing that will help millions stop smoking, that makes sense


This is ALL about the cigarette companies losing their virtual monopoly.  Every health risk concern is distorted, overblown, and/or something only found in a 3rd rate brand of e-cigs.  People keep whining about nicotine, but the fact is, that nicotine isn't the unhealthy chemical in cigarettes.  In fact nicotine itself has several health benefits, and only kills you if you overdose, like anything else.
 
2014-03-22 09:37:43 AM  
Smoked 2 pks of Winston Regulars for 16 years. Finally quit. Vaping does not make me want to go back to a 'traditional' cigarette. No nasty smell on me or my family, no tobacco breath, teeth, skin, empty pocketbook....The anti-smoking campaign needs to stay out of my free choice, and I don't want to be made to go out back and be with the smokers and breathe their second-hand smoke. That is one of the reasons I quit. When people who work with me come back into the office after their smoke break, they reek. They don't realize how bad they really smell. Until you quit, you will reek. So will your children. I will take 4 chemicals over 4000. Yes, I like nicotine. It keeps YOU alive. :)
 
2014-03-22 09:38:41 AM  
FTA:  Investigators said they were led to the duo after seeing a suspected drug engage between the two, said police spokesman Frank Fania.

www.justgabe.com

/now back to Dune thread
 
2014-03-22 09:38:56 AM  
The study they cite is not a second-hand vapor study, it's a study of what is in the vaporized liquid the vaper inhales. They are not replicating the process by which the vapor is processed in the lungs and expelled into the air.  But sure Glantz, go ahead and come to this unfounded conclusion:  "You are breathing in volatile organic campaigns and metals that are in the vapor."  Citation please?

From TFA:  Glantz believes the second-hand vapor of e-cigarettes could be harmful, too.
"If you are around somebody who is using e-cigarettes, you are breathing in ultra-fine particles and you are breathing in nicotine," he said. "You are breathing in volatile organic campaigns and metals that are in the vapor."

I'll contact him and ask what his opinion is based on.  I haven't seen a second-hand vapor study testing for metals, but the one I saw testing for nicotine and other air pollutants showed they were non detect.

As for metal in the vaporized liquid of the Chinese product, that doesn't surprise me.  I'd avoid anything manufactured in China.  The US manufacturers are prepared for FDA regulation and know it's coming.  You don't invest millions in an operation to have to spend millions to retrofit it later.
 
2014-03-22 09:39:25 AM  
God dammit
 
2014-03-22 09:39:49 AM  

meow said the dog: croesius: http://img.fark.net/images/cache/850/p/p8/fark_p8cdjkpR6entCWaUeaV34AH D_3I.gif?t=ZC4x9vt4NlFeUz-OjWrk0g&f=1395633600

O.o


HTML fail (thanks mobilefark + android). Let's try this again:

imageshack.com

There we go.

With that being said, the products these reporters are studying are all Chinese-made self-contained e-cigs. I'd like to see them run the vapor from a vaporizer through a centrifuge. I have a feeling that some quality American-made juice wouldn't have the same level. I mean, hell, their main concern was that the solder melted in the crappy drug store e-cig. A vaporizer isn't even the same thing.
 
2014-03-22 09:41:00 AM  
I'm sure we also consume metal from coke cans, canned foods, foods wrapped in foil and anything else that is stored in a metal container so let's ban all that too, yeah?

Seeing all the lobbying against e-cigs is not surprising. They'd rather see them banned entirely than regulate based on anything factual.

And who gives a fark if somebody smokes them without intending to quit? E-cigs are awesome, and there's an incredible variety of devices and flavors to choose from.
 
2014-03-22 09:41:52 AM  
"I want to breath smoke"
 
2014-03-22 09:41:56 AM  

lindalouwho: in th last few months I've cut way down on smoking on my way to quitting. I considered ecigs but there's too much conflicting information. Hopefully people aren't being harmed while trying to get healthier.

Most public places I know don't allow ecigs, simply because other patrons see it and assume it's a real cigarette and bother management about it. And a bar owner told me he won't allow it because he's a former smoker and it's a trigger for him.


Cutting down doesn't really do shiat, amigo. The lungs won't heal. The long term risk factors are still in play.

Not trying to be a dick and I wish you the best, honestly.
 
2014-03-22 09:42:52 AM  

CruJones: Let's ban the thing that will help millions stop smoking, that makes sense


Anti-smoking has nothing to do with health.

Smoking is a very, very minor threat to your well being. The only reason we even know it causes cancer eventually is because a bunch of very smart doctors, who all smoked by the way, cured all the real diseases like small pox.

Now that we've found something that will help millions actually be healthier, the anti-smokers are showing their true colors and opposing it because their entire self identity is forged from oppressing people having fun.
 
2014-03-22 09:44:09 AM  

Chaide: I'm sure we also consume metal from coke cans, canned foods, foods wrapped in foil and anything else that is stored in a metal container so let's ban all that too, yeah?

Seeing all the lobbying against e-cigs is not surprising. They'd rather see them banned entirely than regulate based on anything factual.

And who gives a fark if somebody smokes them without intending to quit? E-cigs are awesome, and there's an incredible variety of devices and flavors to choose from.


Somebody read Silent Spring...
 
2014-03-22 09:46:51 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: CruJones: Let's ban the thing that will help millions stop smoking, that makes sense

This is ALL about the cigarette companies losing their virtual monopoly.  Every health risk concern is distorted, overblown, and/or something only found in a 3rd rate brand of e-cigs.  People keep whining about nicotine, but the fact is, that nicotine isn't the unhealthy chemical in cigarettes.  In fact nicotine itself has several health benefits, and only kills you if you overdose, like anything else.


Nicotine also causes your blood vessles to constrict, and delays the healing process.
 
2014-03-22 09:49:49 AM  

Witness99: The US manufacturers are prepared for FDA regulation and know it's coming. You don't invest millions in an operation to have to spend millions to retrofit it later.


I don't think those two sentences actually make sense, back-to-back.

There's no FDA regulation on (non-medicinal) e-cigarettes; why would the companies making e-cigs, etc. bother wasting money on QA or safety testing when they don't have to (and when their customers are openly chumps)?
 
2014-03-22 09:50:14 AM  

doglover: CruJones: Let's ban the thing that will help millions stop smoking, that makes sense

Anti-smoking has nothing to do with health.

Smoking is a very, very minor threat to your well being. The only reason we even know it causes cancer eventually is because a bunch of very smart doctors, who all smoked by the way, cured all the real diseases like small pox.

Now that we've found something that will help millions actually be healthier, the anti-smokers are showing their true colors and opposing it because their entire self identity is forged from oppressing people having fun.


Oh you will get the bites on this one is the thought of me!
 
2014-03-22 09:52:11 AM  

thismomentinblackhistory: lindalouwho: in th last few months I've cut way down on smoking on my way to quitting. I considered ecigs but there's too much conflicting information. Hopefully people aren't being harmed while trying to get healthier.

Most public places I know don't allow ecigs, simply because other patrons see it and assume it's a real cigarette and bother management about it. And a bar owner told me he won't allow it because he's a former smoker and it's a trigger for him.

Cutting down doesn't really do shiat, amigo. The lungs won't heal. The long term risk factors are still in play.

Not trying to be a dick and I wish you the best, honestly.


I hear you. I did get a lot of info and encouragement right here on Fark a while back. I lasted 3 days cold turkey, have patches on stand-by. I've smoked for 40 years, I'm working my way there. I'm actually suprised I've been able to stick with smoking a lot less and I want to use the low dose patches.
 
2014-03-22 09:55:14 AM  

CowardlyLion: Witness99: The US manufacturers are prepared for FDA regulation and know it's coming. You don't invest millions in an operation to have to spend millions to retrofit it later.

I don't think those two sentences actually make sense, back-to-back.

There's no FDA regulation on (non-medicinal) e-cigarettes; why would the companies making e-cigs, etc. bother wasting money on QA or safety testing when they don't have to (and when their customers are openly chumps)?


Because investors
 
2014-03-22 09:57:03 AM  
Invented in China. It's part of China's continuing war to injure Americans with their products.
 
2014-03-22 09:59:53 AM  

thismomentinblackhistory: Chaide: I'm sure we also consume metal from coke cans, canned foods, foods wrapped in foil and anything else that is stored in a metal container so let's ban all that too, yeah?

Seeing all the lobbying against e-cigs is not surprising. They'd rather see them banned entirely than regulate based on anything factual.

And who gives a fark if somebody smokes them without intending to quit? E-cigs are awesome, and there's an incredible variety of devices and flavors to choose from.

Somebody read Silent Spring...


Never heard of it until now, actually. If Wikipedia is to be believed, it steered a few things in the right direction, so.. cool, maybe!

I just hate knee jerk reactions from industry loyalists pissing their pants at the thought of their bottom line losing ground to viable alternatives. Or in this case, focusing on shoddily manufactured equipment, as opposed to the countless other companies who take pride in their products.
 
2014-03-22 10:05:22 AM  

lindalouwho: thismomentinblackhistory: lindalouwho: in th last few months I've cut way down on smoking on my way to quitting. I considered ecigs but there's too much conflicting information. Hopefully people aren't being harmed while trying to get healthier.

Most public places I know don't allow ecigs, simply because other patrons see it and assume it's a real cigarette and bother management about it. And a bar owner told me he won't allow it because he's a former smoker and it's a trigger for him.

Cutting down doesn't really do shiat, amigo. The lungs won't heal. The long term risk factors are still in play.

Not trying to be a dick and I wish you the best, honestly.

I hear you. I did get a lot of info and encouragement right here on Fark a while back. I lasted 3 days cold turkey, have patches on stand-by. I've smoked for 40 years, I'm working my way there. I'm actually suprised I've been able to stick with smoking a lot less and I want to use the low dose patches.


Any progress is good as long as the goal is smoke-free. I quit cold turkey for five years in my early twenties, then started again the day my dad died (wait for it....) of COPD.

I'm currently using an ecig and it's saved me money over the past 29 weeks. I know the jury is still out on the health risks, but it can't be worse, at least according to my doctor. But we could be comparing a broken arm to getting struck by lightning. Who knows.

Thing is, I don't reach for it in the morning. I was able to start running and working out. I lost it for two days and didn't go back to regular smoking or replace it for that matter, but was glad to find it again.

Anyway good luck. It's a biatch.
 
2014-03-22 10:05:51 AM  
How is it "smoking" when there is no smoke?

How are they "tobacco products" when there is no tobacco?

"We want to restrict these things like cigarettes, so we will pretend that they are cigarettes."
 
2014-03-22 10:10:04 AM  

Chaide: thismomentinblackhistory: Chaide: I'm sure we also consume metal from coke cans, canned foods, foods wrapped in foil and anything else that is stored in a metal container so let's ban all that too, yeah?

Seeing all the lobbying against e-cigs is not surprising. They'd rather see them banned entirely than regulate based on anything factual.

And who gives a fark if somebody smokes them without intending to quit? E-cigs are awesome, and there's an incredible variety of devices and flavors to choose from.

Somebody read Silent Spring...

Never heard of it until now, actually. If Wikipedia is to be believed, it steered a few things in the right direction, so.. cool, maybe!

I just hate knee jerk reactions from industry loyalists pissing their pants at the thought of their bottom line losing ground to viable alternatives. Or in this case, focusing on shoddily manufactured equipment, as opposed to the countless other companies who take pride in their products.


"The industry" is not losing money or sleep over this, they're making money.  Big tobacco has already made the shift and the major US companies are the only ones with the resources to meet the impending regulatory burdens.  The little guys won't stand a chance.  Then, between old school cigarettes and e-cigs, big tobacco will have an even larger customer base than they did before.
 
2014-03-22 10:24:06 AM  

thismomentinblackhistory: lindalouwho: thismomentinblackhistory: lindalouwho: in th last few months I've cut way down on smoking on my way to quitting. I considered ecigs but there's too much conflicting information. Hopefully people aren't being harmed while trying to get healthier.

Most public places I know don't allow ecigs, simply because other patrons see it and assume it's a real cigarette and bother management about it. And a bar owner told me he won't allow it because he's a former smoker and it's a trigger for him.

Cutting down doesn't really do shiat, amigo. The lungs won't heal. The long term risk factors are still in play.

Not trying to be a dick and I wish you the best, honestly.

I hear you. I did get a lot of info and encouragement right here on Fark a while back. I lasted 3 days cold turkey, have patches on stand-by. I've smoked for 40 years, I'm working my way there. I'm actually suprised I've been able to stick with smoking a lot less and I want to use the low dose patches.

Any progress is good as long as the goal is smoke-free. I quit cold turkey for five years in my early twenties, then started again the day my dad died (wait for it....) of COPD.

I'm currently using an ecig and it's saved me money over the past 29 weeks. I know the jury is still out on the health risks, but it can't be worse, at least according to my doctor. But we could be comparing a broken arm to getting struck by lightning. Who knows.

Thing is, I don't reach for it in the morning. I was able to start running and working out. I lost it for two days and didn't go back to regular smoking or replace it for that matter, but was glad to find it again.

Anyway good luck. It's a biatch.


You tripped my song wire...

Yeah when cigs call my name
I salivate like a Pavlov dog
Yeah when I lay one out
My heart is bumpin' louder than a big bass drum, alright.

/I'll make it because I reallyreally want to
//thx
 
2014-03-22 10:26:05 AM  

Witness99: CowardlyLion: Witness99: The US manufacturers are prepared for FDA regulation and know it's coming. You don't invest millions in an operation to have to spend millions to retrofit it later.

I don't think those two sentences actually make sense, back-to-back.

There's no FDA regulation on (non-medicinal) e-cigarettes; why would the companies making e-cigs, etc. bother wasting money on QA or safety testing when they don't have to (and when their customers are openly chumps)?

Because investors


In honor of Caturday, are you actually just a surprisingly adept cat, typing random strings of words?
 
2014-03-22 10:29:34 AM  
www.metalinjection.net

This thread does not deliver.
 
2014-03-22 10:40:05 AM  
They probably forgot to change the copper SEM stage. Just college inspectors.
 
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