Benevolent Misanthrope: And are you really going to pretend that other churches don't ask for mone
psychicdeath99: Some people have faces that just beg to be punched. This guy is one of them.[img.fark.net image 702x498]
Benevolent Misanthrope: Gothnet: Benevolent Misanthrope: LOL, no. All of these things are comparisons of acts which have entirely different motivations and intents. Scientology does not differ in motivation or intent from "real religions".False.The motivations of most traditional religions are (gen) well meaning but misguided. The motivations of scientology are cynical and exploitative. The beliefs themselves are irrelevant, the actions of the 'church' are the only relevant part.But you know this, and have just chosen to troll, so good luck to you.Wow, are you naïve.Scientology - just like every other religion - is indeed cynically exploitative. Its adherents - just like every other religion - are well-meaning but misguided.Man, even atheists become religion apologists when confronted with the question, "where is the line between religion and cult?". Very interesting. Insults, "because I said so", ignoring similarities, false comparisons... but no one willing to really think about this and decide where the line is or even if it exists.I'm still debating the question myself, by the way. Which is why I always ask the question in these "IT'S A CULT!" threads, and why I keep dismissing spurious arguments.
taliesinwi: Wait, they opened the Flag Building? Now what will they use as a continual "target" for their fundraising? And how long before we see members who can phase through walls and revive the dead?(The building was originally estimated to cost something like $25 million, and later $50. It was later found out they had raised something close to $150 million for its construction, yet the building still wasn't finished for over ten years - raising the likelihood that that was the plan all along, and it was only designed as a cash cow.)
Benevolent Misanthrope: Being able to prove that real people and places actually existed on earth and "I act like a jerk because I'm human and sometimes humans are complete jerks" versus "I do bad things because volcano aliens possess humans" does kind of tip the credibility scales in favor of pretty much every major religion (including several I haven't discussed--Buddhism, Hinduism, etc--because I'm not well versed enough in them to be able to discuss them intelligently) over Scientology.Perhaps I'll never get it. Because "An alien was exiled, lives in a volcano, and populates humanity with his bad aliens that make human beings do bad things and only answering deeply personal questions, starting at age 6 while holding round cylinders hooked up to some sort of an electronic device, giving all your money and possessions away, severing all connections with all those who disagree with the doctrines of the "church", and generally recruiting new followers aggressively while aggressively pursuing to the point of stalking and harassing those who leave the church can make these bad aliens go away and induce a state of rightness of mind" is no more far-fetched to me than "A cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree."
Turfshoe: They met face to face?Was Miscavige standing on a box? Guy is like 5 feet tall.
snocone: BluVeinThrobber: Diogenes: BluVeinThrobber: Diogenes: BluVeinThrobber: Diogenes: BluVeinThrobber: badhatharry: No comment. I have nothing negative to say about Scientology.You should try a little harderI see you enjoy raping babies.Only your mom'sIt's a Co$ thing.I dont own any t-shirts with logos on themWhat I'm saying is that this is a Co$ tactic. It's something they are trained to do when presented with critics or other opposition -- a ridiculous and extreme non sequitur. They commonly use the "raping babies" thing.It seems to work. I was taken aback at being called a baby raperMehh, I have been called that since 1970.baby raper, woman killer, you know, deeply intellectual stuff
TedCruz'sCrazyDad: SecretAgentWoman: Meanwhile in Texas, he's fighting tooth and nail not to have to testify in a Scientology harassment case against the wife of Miscavige's former right hand.That right hand man was the 'enforcer' responsible for more than a few deaths. When two evil people get into an argument, there is no good side.
stuffy: [www.tampabay.com image 702x498]Doesn't look evil at all.
Benevolent Misanthrope: Man, even atheists become religion apologists when confronted with the question, "where is the line between religion and cult?".
Gothnet: Mock26: So what if jesus and mohammad and Buddha all lived? The idea of their being divine beings is no more far-fetched than that of the idea of Xenu.This part of the conversation is pretty much irrelevant.The beliefs are not the issue, it's the actions of the 'church' that are so objectionable. If you're not sure what those actions are, a quick google will inform you.
badhatharry: Confession is kind of weird. But the Catholic Church does not record your confessions so that they could later be used as blackmail. Like Scientology or the NSA./not that Scientology would ever attempt to infiltrate a government agency.
LtDarkstar: Benevolent Misanthrope: SecretAgentWoman: Dammit...link.Religion. Such a positive force in society.Uh, I really wouldn't classify Scientology as a religion. It's a nutjob CULT hiding under the tax-benefits of a religion. Trust me, real religions wouldn't touch their actions or beliefs with a twenty foot cattle prod.
orbister: Benevolent Misanthrope: Man, even atheists become religion apologists when confronted with the question, "where is the line between religion and cult?".Easy. Pope Francis believes that Jesus was the son of God, died and rise again. Ayatollah Khamenei believes that there is no god but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet. The Dalai Lama believes in reincarnation. Does anybody seriously think that Mr Hubbard or Mr Miscavige believe(d) a word of the Xenu stuff?
Gothnet: No, what's kinda sad you profess not to be able to see any difference yourself, in order to attract attention to yourself on an internet message board.
bromah: My mother and father were married by the Church of Scientology, my father was a memeber. When his mental illness was developing, on their advice he avoided medication and treatment. Let me say that I did not have a happy childhood.Now as a man, they call me and solicit donations. Sharing the same name as my father I understand the mistake and asked them to remove my name from their lists. On the second call, I explained the pain and suffering I endured as a boy partially due to them and asked again to remove my name from their lists and to cease calling me.Finally, today they called. Od it was this morning....well I explained again all that i had before. I also added in the fact that if they call me again that I will find their call center, fly to it's city, go their on it's busiest day and chain it's doors shut. Then i will burn the building down with all of them inside. I farking hate these guys.
gwenners: Ya ever get the feeling when you hear "but all religions are bad" in a Scientology thread that it's some sort of twisted Scientology "talking point?" In one way or another, it does put them in the same field as other religious entities.I mean, as opposed to purely being a money making scam masquerading as a church.
Benevolent Misanthrope: Confabulat: Benevolent Misanthrope: I'm making a point, which is that it's really only a matter of degrees.It's a bad point. Scientology is a business like Herbalife. Do people make money off Christianity? Well, duh. of course they do. But NO ONE is allowed to teach or make money off Scientology EXCEPT for the Church of Scientology, because they own all the copyrights and trademarks. There is a sort of Luther-ian offshoot of Scientology these days that doesn't recognize Miscavige's church, but they are continually being sued for trying to use L. Ron Hubbard's rather insane lessons without proper legal ability.It's like if Disney owned the Bible.A matter of degrees? Of course. So what? It's a ton of degrees away from any free religion.<shrug> Okay, there's no good reason then.
Do you know the way to Mordor: snocone: BluVeinThrobber: Diogenes: BluVeinThrobber: Diogenes: BluVeinThrobber: Diogenes: BluVeinThrobber: badhatharry: No comment. I have nothing negative to say about Scientology.You should try a little harderI see you enjoy raping babies.Only your mom'sIt's a Co$ thing.I dont own any t-shirts with logos on themWhat I'm saying is that this is a Co$ tactic. It's something they are trained to do when presented with critics or other opposition -- a ridiculous and extreme non sequitur. They commonly use the "raping babies" thing.It seems to work. I was taken aback at being called a baby raperMehh, I have been called that since 1970.baby raper, woman killer, you know, deeply intellectual stuffBaby raper? At least nobody here is being called something far worse- A Republican Party supporter. Now THAT would be an insult you could not walk away from without laying down a serious hardass smackdown on the name caller!
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