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(Washington Post)   No longer newsflash worthy, and that's a good thing: Courts strike down Michigan's ban on gay marriage   (washingtonpost.com ) divider line
    More: Cool, Mich, opponents of same-sex marriage, federal bench, Ingham County, April DeBoer, Elections in 2004, Michigan Constitution  
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2014-03-22 09:48:28 PM  

Mr. Right: hubiestubert: No, Mr. Right, you're deflecting. And in all your rambling it translates to, "the grapes are sour anyway, so fine have them."

Maybe not your personal opinion, but the more you whine--and that is all your posts have been--the more it spears that you can't just have a moment of joy for folks.

You could not be more wrong.  But whatever.

Can you argue that marriage

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OK fine.  I'll bite.

I think that the real source of your argument is, "I don't like the way laws in America govern marriage."  But, ya see... the way to fix that is not to get rid of marriage, but to fix our marriage laws.  Oh, hey!  That's what everyone is celebrating right now.  We're fixing our marriage laws.

Baby steps, man.  Maybe you could write your congressperson or something.  Or stop getting divorced would be another option.
 
2014-03-22 11:22:09 PM  

rosekolodny: Mr. Right: hubiestubert: No, Mr. Right, you're deflecting. And in all your rambling it translates to, "the grapes are sour anyway, so fine have them."

Maybe not your personal opinion, but the more you whine--and that is all your posts have been--the more it spears that you can't just have a moment of joy for folks.

You could not be more wrong.  But whatever.

Can you argue that marriage... blah, blah, blah.
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OK fine.  I'll bite.

I think that the real source of your argument is, "I don't like the way laws in America govern marriage."  But, ya see... the way to fix that is not to get rid of marriage, but to fix our marriage laws.  Oh, hey!  That's what everyone is celebrating right now.  We're fixing our marriage laws.

Baby steps, man.  Maybe you could write your congressperson or something.  Or stop getting divorced would be another option.


In fairness, you have far more patience than I do this fine day. It was far too lovely a day, filled with crisp air, a ten mile bike in to work, and a ten mile trek back, and 10 hours in between of work and some laughter to actually slide into this pedantic mess our Beamish Boy is projecting. I wish you luck with that. I have bourbon with my name on it, and a deep chair and a book that need tending, and I hope that didn't come off as being a sarcastic wish, because I see glimmers that our Beamish Boy isn't entirely a block head, only so focused on the disappointment of not having all his wishes and dreams catered to immediately, that he can't see the joy in the moment. Or rather, he can't let that joy get in the way of making a ponderous argument that has little to do with the subject at hand, but hey, might as well press it because...well, in all honesty, I have little idea why he wants to piss in folks' farina, but I do suspect that it might have to do with the subject of this thread, especially since he seems to be under the impression that freedom of religion, equality under the law, and the right to privacy are somehow "new" things that suddenly EVERYONE must simply be IN ON!

Over twenty damn years, I've watched too many friends be denied basic rights, and the tide is finally turning, and without riots. It's a beautiful thing. Even if he is convinced that they might not want the franchise that he's built into his head that it's now tainted by the durn'd dad'blast'd gub'mint...
 
2014-03-22 11:28:59 PM  
This news is gay.
 
2014-03-23 12:20:29 AM  

rosekolodny: Oh, hey! That's what everyone is celebrating right now. We're fixing our marriage laws.


???  You're right that I think marriage is broken.  But what broke it is the ability and apparent eagerness of individuals to completely abrogate their responsibilities and even give up their rights to do so.  The impetus behind no fault divorce was supposedly the women's movement.  Women would no longer be slaves to abusive men.  Women would be able to gain their economic freedom.

Are women better off?  Has the rate of child poverty been reduced?  Has the rate of spouse abuse or domestic violence been reduced?  Has the economic status of divorced women been improved?  The answer to everyone of those questions is no.

No disrespect to gays intended here but exactly how is throwing them into the current system going to fix a damned thing?   The question posed by the one gay couple is "Why would we want to be a part of that mess?"

But it's interesting that you suggest writing my Congressional reps.  That apparently wouldn't work since what transpired in Michigan, as in other places, wasn't a matter of duly enacted law, it was a judicial fiat.  No law was passed, rather a law that was passed was simply thrown out.

It is my opinion, and has been since it was passed, that DOMA laws are pretty silly.  And they did absolutely nothing to fix the mess that is marriage.  But Congress passed one and Clinton signed it.  Several states passed their own version.  Several states had popular referendums on the subject.  I'm not going to argue that popular opinion hasn't changed.  But if DOMA is now unpopular and it is the will of the people that it should be repealed, why not go the legislative route?  Prohibition was popularly enacted.  It was seen to be disastrous.  It was repealed.  Jim Crow laws were duly enacted in the South.  The Civil Rights Act was not accomplished by judicial fiat - it was agitated for and passed with broad popular support of both political parties.

If you are pro-gay marriage, why would you not take your own advice and lobby your congressperson?

And it looks like UConn is going to beat Nova so I'm out of here.  I wonder if UConn got as good as they are by scrimmaging against their women's team?  Those women are awesome.
 
2014-03-23 12:38:25 AM  

hubiestubert: rosekolodny: Mr. Right: hubiestubert: No, Mr. Right, you're deflecting. And in all your rambling it translates to, "the grapes are sour anyway, so fine have them."

Maybe not your personal opinion, but the more you whine--and that is all your posts have been--the more it spears that you can't just have a moment of joy for folks.

You could not be more wrong.  But whatever.

Can you argue that marriage... blah, blah, blah.
--------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------

OK fine.  I'll bite.

I think that the real source of your argument is, "I don't like the way laws in America govern marriage."  But, ya see... the way to fix that is not to get rid of marriage, but to fix our marriage laws.  Oh, hey!  That's what everyone is celebrating right now.  We're fixing our marriage laws.

Baby steps, man.  Maybe you could write your congressperson or something.  Or stop getting divorced would be another option.

 in all honesty, I have little idea why he wants to piss in folks' farina, but I do suspect that it might have to do with the subject of this thread, especially since he seems to be under the impres ...


I know.  I just... sometimes I get all twitterpated with the Logics and I just can't help myself.  Happy bourboning!
 
2014-03-23 12:46:16 AM  

Mr. Right: rosekolodny: Oh, hey! That's what everyone is celebrating right now. We're fixing our marriage laws.

???  You're right that I think marriage is broken.  But what broke it is the ability and apparent eagerness of individuals to completely abrogate their responsibilities and even give up their rights to do so.  The impetus behind no fault divorce was supposedly the women's movement.  Women would no longer be slaves to abusive men.  Women would be able to gain their economic freedom.

If ...


I do want to reply to all of this, but the one thing that really sticks out is the bit about civil rights and judicial fiat.  It's not The Civil Rights act per se, but Loving v. State of Virginia...  fark yeah, judicial fiat!  It took until 2000 for the last state (Alabama) to finally remove the anti-miscegenation laws from its books.
 
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