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(Huffington Post)   Paul Ryan has awkward conversation with inner city man   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 125
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2014-03-21 02:30:14 PM  
At least he didn't ask him who let the dogs out.
 
2014-03-21 02:41:44 PM  
That guy was stubborn but not particularly articulate. I would ask Mr. Ryan how welfare is a problem if the vast number of welfare recipients (75%) are off of welfare within two years, and 66% of welfare recipients are children.

Also see if you can figure out why so many people on welfare live in the inner cities, Mr. Ryan.
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2014-03-21 03:47:57 PM  
Maybe he is just used to Milwaukee, which is pretty segregated as far as race and income is concerned. I havent been there in a while so maybe it has changed and isnt so black and white anymore?
 
2014-03-21 04:12:18 PM  
On the one hand, this is an okay take down of an incompetent buffoon who should be nowhere near political power.
On the other hand, this is the website that posted "10 things intuitive people do" bullshiat pseudoscience not hours ago.
 
2014-03-21 04:18:27 PM  

ikanreed: On the one hand, this is an okay take down of an incompetent buffoon who should be nowhere near political power.
On the other hand, this is the website that posted "10 things intuitive people do" bullshiat pseudoscience not hours ago.


You mean I shouldn't assume my explosive gas means I should quit my job, rather than take a break from kale salads at lunch?
 
2014-03-21 04:19:32 PM  
"That's the issue I'm trying to get at, which is we have to rethink our war on poverty and our programs so that it always pays to work. Because we have these incentives to people not to work."

Making sure people don't starve is incentivizing them not to work. Thanks, Ryan.

I don't particularly care whether or not his comments were racially tinged, I care more that he thinks poor people choose to be poor, and don't want to have a job. fark him.
 
2014-03-21 04:21:29 PM  

ikanreed: On the one hand, this is an okay take down of an incompetent buffoon who should be nowhere near political power.
On the other hand, this is the website that posted "10 things intuitive people do" bullshiat pseudoscience not hours ago.


I had a feeling you were going to say that.
 
2014-03-21 04:22:18 PM  
I would assume every conversation he has is awkward.
 
2014-03-21 04:22:59 PM  
Fewer young black and Latino men participate in the labor force compared to young white men. And all of this translates into higher unemployment rates and poverty rates as adults.  After all, we know young black men are twice as likely as young white men to be 'disconnected'-not in school, not working.
 
2014-03-21 04:23:23 PM  
You mean AN URBAN, subby?
 
2014-03-21 04:23:53 PM  
"You got here in a car or a truck or something. Somebody from the inner city helped make that."

Okinawa?
 
2014-03-21 04:24:08 PM  
When rich people dont want to work, its called "going galt" and they are brave heroes.

When poor people dont want to work, its a terrible problem because they are lazy moochers.
 
2014-03-21 04:24:56 PM  
This makes me wanna holler, throw up both my hands.
 
2014-03-21 04:26:29 PM  

bdub77: That guy was stubborn but not particularly articulate. I would ask Mr. Ryan how welfare is a problem if the vast number of welfare recipients (75%) are off of welfare within two years, and 66% of welfare recipients are children.

Also see if you can figure out why so many people on welfare live in the inner cities, Mr. Ryan.
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Obviously because the poor are spending all their time and money creating fur suits from stuff they get off Martha Stewart Living catalogs. Huge problem with the culture.
 
2014-03-21 04:27:15 PM  
"You got here in a car, or truck or whatever. Someone in the inner city had to help make that."

Inner city in Germany maybe.
 
2014-03-21 04:27:55 PM  

Car_Ramrod: "That's the issue I'm trying to get at, which is we have to rethink our war on poverty and our programs so that it always pays to work. Because we have these incentives to people not to work."

Making sure people don't starve is incentivizing them not to work. Thanks, Ryan.

I don't particularly care whether or not his comments were racially tinged, I care more that he thinks poor people choose to be poor, and don't want to have a job. fark him.


Rep. Ryan thinks that poor people should be made to suffer until they choose to alter their behavior. It's the same logic that underpins torture.
 
2014-03-21 04:29:06 PM  

jst3p: "You got here in a car, or truck or whatever. Someone in the inner city had to help make that."

Inner city in Germany maybe.


Mine was built in rural Indiana.
 
2014-03-21 04:29:24 PM  

vernonFL: Maybe he is just used to Milwaukee, which is pretty segregated as far as race and income is concerned. I havent been there in a while so maybe it has changed and isnt so black and white anymore?


I moved away from 53rd and Center in Nov. 2012, still as segregated as ever (my neighbors used to tell me I glow in the dark)... But I am curious how many inner cities drowning in poverty aren't the result of white flight, which by its nature, leaves the inner cities full of minorities.

My summary of the video FTA:
Mr. Gardner: When you say inner city you mean black or at least not-white
Rep. Ryan: Well yeah, but you see by using that word I never actually mention race, you're the one bringing it up!  Now if you excuse me, I have to be at the gym in 26 minutes.
 
2014-03-21 04:32:09 PM  

Saiga410: jst3p: "You got here in a car, or truck or whatever. Someone in the inner city had to help make that."

Inner city in Germany maybe.

Mine was built in rural Indiana.


Toyota makes great cars.
 
2014-03-21 04:33:49 PM  

Semantic Warrior: I moved away from 53rd and Center in Nov. 2012, still as segregated as ever (my neighbors used to tell me I glow in the dark)... But I am curious how many inner cities drowning in poverty aren't the result of white flight, which by its nature, leaves the inner cities full of minorities.


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If it was truly a "segregated" neighborhood, your neighbors would only have noticed your translucence if it kept them up past 830pm.

// or did you mean segregated by income, not by race?
 
2014-03-21 04:34:02 PM  
The current GOP has a hard time outside of the bubble they have created.  They will never have a chance for the presidency if they keep these douches as the voice of the party.
 
2014-03-21 04:35:02 PM  
Paul Ryan knows something about government benefits keeping you from having to do actual work: he's been collecting government checks as a member of Congress since he was 28.
 
2014-03-21 04:35:14 PM  
I expect Alfonso the Gardner to become a regular on MSNBC for sticking it to Ryan.
 
2014-03-21 04:36:54 PM  

CynicalLA: The current GOP has a hard time outside of the bubble they have created.  They will never have a chance for the presidency if they keep these douches as the voice of the party.


Sure they will!

They just have to make sure people outside their bubble can't vote easily.
 
2014-03-21 04:37:09 PM  
When I'm in a situation with an inner-city man, I try to break the ice by using the words that his people use.  I would say that "I'm straight" or "I'm cool" when I mean to say "I find this arrangement appropriate".

In addition, I feel it makes things easier if I attempt to talk about things they enjoy like rap music, basketball, and crack cocaine.  I might say "Hey, blood, do you know where I can score some rock?", or "Where da big booty chickenheads be?"   I don't really know what these words mean, but I know that people like it when you ask them advice.

Finally, I finish it off with a high-five, bro-fist, or gang sign.  It lets them know that I'm comfortable appropriating their culture and integrating it into my own as a way to obtain authenticity.
 
2014-03-21 04:37:18 PM  
Well someone's firing his minority wrangler...
 
2014-03-21 04:38:54 PM  
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Could have just stopped by the table.
 
2014-03-21 04:40:01 PM  

Felgraf: CynicalLA: The current GOP has a hard time outside of the bubble they have created.  They will never have a chance for the presidency if they keep these douches as the voice of the party.

Sure they will!

They just have to make sure people outside their bubble can't vote easily.


I was worried last election but it ended up not working and most of the idiotic laws were overturned.  I think they also motivate the other side.
 
2014-03-21 04:43:08 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: Paul Ryan knows something about government benefits keeping you from having to do actual work: he's been collecting government checks as a member of Congress since he was 28.


Don't forget those sweet sweet Social Security survivor's benefits he got after his father died.
 
2014-03-21 04:46:55 PM  

Semantic Warrior: I moved away from 53rd and Center in Nov. 2012, still as segregated as ever (my neighbors used to tell me I glow in the dark)


Holy FARK you're sheltered if you think that's segregated.  I lived on 71st and Center and while I certainly admit crossing 60th street is quite relevant, you're not exactly talking South Milwaukee here.
 
2014-03-21 04:47:01 PM  
Ryan "That's the issue I'm trying to get at, which is we have to rethink our war on poverty and our programs so that it always pays to work. Because we have these incentives to people not to work."

How is it that the GOP fails to see the difference between a safety net that prevents the soup kitchen lines of the depression and "incentives not to work"?
There are not enough jobs in this country for everyone so how do you house and feed the ones who are not working without a safety net?
 
2014-03-21 04:53:13 PM  
Ryan is an awkward out of touch dipshiat, period.
 
2014-03-21 04:53:41 PM  

monoski: Ryan "That's the issue I'm trying to get at, which is we have to rethink our war on poverty and our programs so that it always pays to work. Because we have these incentives to people not to work."

How is it that the GOP fails to see the difference between a safety net that prevents the soup kitchen lines of the depression and "incentives not to work"?
There are not enough jobs in this country for everyone so how do you house and feed the ones who are not working without a safety net?


Well, as in everything the truth is somewhere in the middle.  They're right, welfare most certainly incentives not to work... because there's no longer the fear that you will starve or freeze to death hanging over your head.

monoski: There are not enough jobs in this country for everyone so how do you house and feed the ones who are not working without a safety net?


You don't.  That's the GOP plan.
 
2014-03-21 04:53:44 PM  
Ryan disputed the claim that Republicans voted 51 times to repeal the law in its entirety and said the party had gone after certain parts of it that even Democrats found problematic.

Now that it's passed and working they are starting to crack. He refuses now to even admit the Republicans are trying to repeal the law.
 
2014-03-21 04:55:31 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: Paul Ryan knows something about government benefits keeping you from having to do actual work: he's been collecting government checks as a member of Congress since he was 28.


I don't get all the hate for Ryan.

He obviously works very hard and is an incredibly successful fiction author. I especially liked his dystopian novelsThe Path to Prosperity: Restoring America's PromiseandThe Path to Prosperity: A Blueprint for American Renewal.

His most recent fiction novel,The War on Poverty: 50 Years Later, is a monumental achievement in building fantasy worlds.
 
2014-03-21 04:56:13 PM  
I like how much Ryan complained about his words being taken out of context, especially after how much "You didn't build that" was repeated throughout his campaign.
 
2014-03-21 04:58:17 PM  

Insertwitty Namehere: Fewer young black and Latino men participate in the labor force compared to young white men. And all of this translates into higher unemployment rates and poverty rates as adults.  After all, we know young black men are twice as likely as young white men to be 'disconnected'-not in school, not working.


People who bring this up also invariably fail to mention that studies for professional job applications show that when an applicant states his racial background as being a minority esp. being of African descent vs not stating a racial background at all he's far less likely to hear back from potential employers (exceptions being for jobs that seek out minority candidates, though this still rings largely true in the for-profit "free market").
 
2014-03-21 04:58:44 PM  

bdub77: rufus-t-firefly: Paul Ryan knows something about government benefits keeping you from having to do actual work: he's been collecting government checks as a member of Congress since he was 28.

I don't get all the hate for Ryan.

He obviously works very hard and is an incredibly successful fiction author. I especially liked his dystopian novelsThe Path to Prosperity: Restoring America's PromiseandThe Path to Prosperity: A Blueprint for American Renewal.

His most recent fiction novel,The War on Poverty: 50 Years Later, is a monumental achievement in building fantasy worlds.


I wonder if he gets huge donation checks by mistake. I sure as fark wouldn't tell anybody.
 
2014-03-21 04:59:11 PM  

monoski: Ryan "That's the issue I'm trying to get at, which is we have to rethink our war on poverty and our programs so that it always pays to work. Because we have these incentives to people not to work."

How is it that the GOP fails to see the difference between a safety net that prevents the soup kitchen lines of the depression and "incentives not to work"?
There are not enough jobs in this country for everyone so how do you house and feed the ones who are not working without a safety net?


You can't take staged publicity photos of cleaning already clean dishes with a "safety net."
 
2014-03-21 05:05:36 PM  

ikanreed: On the one hand, this is an okay take down of an incompetent buffoon who should be nowhere near political power.
On the other hand, this is the website that posted "10 things intuitive people do" bullshiat pseudoscience not hours ago.


I would like to read that, would you link?
 
2014-03-21 05:11:14 PM  

Corvus: Ryan disputed the claim that Republicans voted 51 times to repeal the law in its entirety and said the party had gone after certain parts of it that even Democrats found problematic.

Now that it's passed and working they are starting to crack. He refuses now to even admit the Republicans are trying to repeal the law.


No, that's the new talking point. "We didn't vote to repeal Obummercare, in its entirety, 50 times, it was only 6."
It hit the echo chamber March 15 in an Examiner article, and hit fark on March 17.
 
2014-03-21 05:11:46 PM  

Semantic Warrior: I moved away from 53rd and Center in Nov. 2012, still as segregated as ever (my neighbors used to tell me I glow in the dark)... But I am curious how many inner cities drowning in poverty aren't the result of white flight, which by its nature, leaves the inner cities full of minorities.


I do wonder how you actually improve the situation.  When middle class white people move out it's considered white flight, when middle class white people move in it's gentrification, when businesses that have capital move in it's also gentrification.

In Milwaukee it's especially weird because you have areas that are undergoing gentrification and two blocks over things are bodies turning up every couple weeks.
 
2014-03-21 05:13:00 PM  

bdub77: rufus-t-firefly: Paul Ryan knows something about government benefits keeping you from having to do actual work: he's been collecting government checks as a member of Congress since he was 28.

I don't get all the hate for Ryan.

He obviously works very hard and is an incredibly successful fiction author. I especially liked his dystopian novelsThe Path to Prosperity: Restoring America's PromiseandThe Path to Prosperity: A Blueprint for American Renewal.

His most recent fiction novel,The War on Poverty: 50 Years Later, is a monumental achievement in building fantasy worlds.


I suppose he does have a better output lately than George RR Martin
 
2014-03-21 05:14:22 PM  

lennavan: Semantic Warrior: I moved away from 53rd and Center in Nov. 2012, still as segregated as ever (my neighbors used to tell me I glow in the dark)

Holy FARK you're sheltered if you think that's segregated.  I lived on 71st and Center and while I certainly admit crossing 60th street is quite relevant, you're not exactly talking South Milwaukee here.


Well I was referring to the entire metropolitan area in response to a previous post.  I know 53rd isn't as segregated as it gets, though being south of Center was noticeably different than being on the block north of Center, I was actually on Lefeber during the late 90s, the Eastside and Riverwest early 2000s. I worked for Bell for two years (did my ride along w/Paratech), and come from a family of MFD firefighters.  Not sure how referring to a location in the city, as basis that I wasn't giving perspective from say Mequon or Brookfield, is sheltered.

/the 16th St. viaduct remains the longest bridge in the world
 
2014-03-21 05:15:32 PM  

sign_of_Zeta: Semantic Warrior: I moved away from 53rd and Center in Nov. 2012, still as segregated as ever (my neighbors used to tell me I glow in the dark)... But I am curious how many inner cities drowning in poverty aren't the result of white flight, which by its nature, leaves the inner cities full of minorities.

I do wonder how you actually improve the situation.  When middle class white people move out it's considered white flight, when middle class white people move in it's gentrification, when businesses that have capital move in it's also gentrification.

In Milwaukee it's especially weird because you have areas that are undergoing gentrification and two blocks over things are bodies turning up every couple weeks.


Mixed income subsidized housing isn't a bad start. That way gentrification doesn't necessarily mean poor people are all pushed out of an area, and you also avoid the problems of concentration of poverty endemic to traditional "project" housing.
 
2014-03-21 05:16:29 PM  

lennavan: Semantic Warrior: I moved away from 53rd and Center in Nov. 2012, still as segregated as ever (my neighbors used to tell me I glow in the dark)

Holy FARK you're sheltered if you think that's segregated.  I lived on 71st and Center and while I certainly admit crossing 60th street is quite relevant, you're not exactly talking South Milwaukee here.



Almost my old neighborhood. My grade school was 3 blocks away from there, and I grew up near 80th and Center.
 
2014-03-21 05:19:21 PM  
Objectivist man, Objectivist man
Doing the things an objectivist can
What's he do? Nothing important
Objectivist man

Inner city man, Inner city man
Inner city man meets Objectivist man
They have a fight, Inner city wins
Inner city man
 
2014-03-21 05:20:29 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: sign_of_Zeta: Semantic Warrior: I moved away from 53rd and Center in Nov. 2012, still as segregated as ever (my neighbors used to tell me I glow in the dark)... But I am curious how many inner cities drowning in poverty aren't the result of white flight, which by its nature, leaves the inner cities full of minorities.

I do wonder how you actually improve the situation.  When middle class white people move out it's considered white flight, when middle class white people move in it's gentrification, when businesses that have capital move in it's also gentrification.

In Milwaukee it's especially weird because you have areas that are undergoing gentrification and two blocks over things are bodies turning up every couple weeks.

Mixed income subsidized housing isn't a bad start. That way gentrification doesn't necessarily mean poor people are all pushed out of an area, and you also avoid the problems of concentration of poverty endemic to traditional "project" housing.


The problem is you need business to be the one that will come into the areas first.  In Milwaukee the inner cities are economic dead zones.  I live in the suburbs and no one will want to move into area like 53rd and Center unless more profitable/attractive businesses enter the area.  Place like Riverwest have been getting some improvement because they are are near nicer area in town like the East Side, but that area is terrible business-wise.  My Church is on 51st and Center and there are no places there I would actually go and eat at nearby.
 
2014-03-21 05:23:15 PM  

Semantic Warrior: Well I was referring to the entire metropolitan area in response to a previous post.


Ah, my mistake.

Semantic Warrior: I was actually on Lefeber during the late 90s


I was on Lefeber during the early 80s...  It's like you're stalking me and you're only a decade and a half behind.  :-O!!!
 
2014-03-21 05:25:46 PM  
Ambushed by Thug!
 
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