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2014-03-21 02:29:55 PM  
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2014-03-21 02:50:59 PM  
Not even crazy Al would have approved of this.
 
2014-03-21 04:37:24 PM  
I never understood the hate on Matt Schaub. He was neck and neck with Peyton Manning in a TD race a few years ago then had a rough season last year. Granted, I'm a Buccaneers fan - so I've set the bar pretty low already.
 
2014-03-21 04:44:57 PM  
I assume subby is a Chiefs fan since they're about the only ones dumb enough to believe Oakland takes Manziel at 5.
 
2014-03-21 04:46:16 PM  

RoosterCogburn: I never understood the hate on Matt Schaub. He was neck and neck with Peyton Manning in a TD race a few years ago then had a rough season last year. Granted, I'm a Buccaneers fan - so I've set the bar pretty low already.


The problem with Schaub is once he's broken, there's no way to repair him. And I'm not talking physically, I'm talking mentally and emotionally. Once Baltimore wrecked him, he was done. His spirit was broken and, more importantly, he was scared. He was scared to take chances, he was scared to go outside of the pocket, he was scared to move more than 5 yards with the ball, etc.

Our defense suffered because they were so farking tired because Shaub couldn't stay on the field for more than 5 plays.
 
2014-03-21 04:49:59 PM  
What did Reuben Amaro Jr leave the Phillies and go work for the Raiders?
 
2014-03-21 04:51:28 PM  
Sounds like they didn't give up enough for him by Raiders standards.
 
2014-03-21 04:53:00 PM  
People just stop it.  We all know Manziel is going to be a Cleveland Brown, so just stop pretending anything else is even possible.

/For the lulz
 
2014-03-21 04:55:46 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Our defense suffered because they were so farking tired because Shaub couldn't stay on the field for more than 5 plays.


This.  Kubiak shares some of the blame as well since he flat out told reporters that Schaub (and Keenum for that matter) wasn't allowed to audible at the line of scrimmage.  It probably takes a toll on you mentally when you read "all out blitz" and still have to drop back.

And to all you Raiders fans out there getting excited about picking up Schaub: Lol.
 
2014-03-21 04:57:46 PM  
The Tejans only got a single late-round pick out of him?  Don't get me wrong, it's more than he's worth, but I have to think they could have swindled a bit more value out of the Raiders front office if they'd pushed for it.
 
2014-03-21 04:59:30 PM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: The Tejans only got a single late-round pick out of him?  Don't get me wrong, it's more than he's worth, but I have to think they could have swindled a bit more value out of the Raiders front office if they'd pushed for it.


At this point, I'm surprised the Texans didn't give up a draft pick just to get rid of him.
 
2014-03-21 05:18:21 PM  
And with the first pick of the 2015 draft the Oakland Raiders select...
 
2014-03-21 05:28:48 PM  

scottydoesntknow: The problem with Schaub is once he's broken, there's no way to repair him. And I'm not talking physically, I'm talking mentally and emotionally. Once Baltimore wrecked him, he was done. His spirit was broken and, more importantly, he was scared. He was scared to take chances, he was scared to go outside of the pocket, he was scared to move more than 5 yards with the ball, etc.

Our defense suffered because they were so farking tired because Shaub couldn't stay on the field for more than 5 plays.


Youre blaming all that on one game? Like there werent massive other issues on that team as well?

After the idiocy being spewed by houston fans I hope they go winless and the raiders win the super bowl
 
2014-03-21 05:30:03 PM  

m1ke: This.  Kubiak shares some of the blame as well since he flat out told reporters that Schaub (and Keenum for that matter) wasn't allowed to audible at the line of scrimmage.  It probably takes a toll on you mentally when you read "all out blitz" and still have to drop back.


Kubiak shouldn't be allowed to coach anymore for having a rule that stupid.
 
2014-03-21 05:34:32 PM  

steamingpile: scottydoesntknow: The problem with Schaub is once he's broken, there's no way to repair him. And I'm not talking physically, I'm talking mentally and emotionally. Once Baltimore wrecked him, he was done. His spirit was broken and, more importantly, he was scared. He was scared to take chances, he was scared to go outside of the pocket, he was scared to move more than 5 yards with the ball, etc.

Our defense suffered because they were so farking tired because Shaub couldn't stay on the field for more than 5 plays.

Youre blaming all that on one game? Like there werent massive other issues on that team as well?

After the idiocy being spewed by houston fans I hope they go winless and the raiders win the super bowl


No, I'm saying the Baltimore game set off a chain reaction of him sucking. This is a thread about Shaub, so I highlighted the problems with Shaub. Don't get your panties in a wad.

-Kubiak was a major problem.
-Wade Phillips and the fact that he used all his tricks his first season as D coordinator was another problem.
-Shaub was another problem as he was too slow and too scared to be effective.
-They couldn't utilize Foster worth a damn and thought sending him up the middle every time was a good idea even though it was proven he gets more yards by running on the outside
-The defense was too tired because the offense couldn't stay on the field.
-Injuries left and right (which granted is not actually the team's fault, but an issue for the season nonetheless)

Is that better? Can we have superb owl hopes now?
 
2014-03-21 05:40:53 PM  
Fitzy, a mentor??  Are you kidding me?

I think you would want someone like Farve, Kelly, Moon, and dare I say Marino to come come in and be a QB coach (there are more but I can't of them).  The Texans are doomed.

I agree that a broken Schaub stays broken and will never heal.  That said, almost evrey broken QB stays broken.
 
2014-03-21 05:43:18 PM  

steamingpile: scottydoesntknow: The problem with Schaub is once he's broken, there's no way to repair him. And I'm not talking physically, I'm talking mentally and emotionally. Once Baltimore wrecked him, he was done. His spirit was broken and, more importantly, he was scared. He was scared to take chances, he was scared to go outside of the pocket, he was scared to move more than 5 yards with the ball, etc.

Our defense suffered because they were so farking tired because Shaub couldn't stay on the field for more than 5 plays.

Youre blaming all that on one game? Like there werent massive other issues on that team as well?

After the idiocy being spewed by houston fans I hope they go winless and the raiders win the super bowl


Whoa dude, that's bordering on crazy talk there. I wouldn't wish a Raiders Super Bowl on my worst enemy.
 
2014-03-21 06:19:07 PM  

RoosterCogburn: I never understood the hate on Matt Schaub. He was neck and neck with Peyton Manning in a TD race a few years ago then had a rough season last year. Granted, I'm a Buccaneers fan - so I've set the bar pretty low already.


Hey Hey Tampa Bay!

Bucs fan as well. I don't get the hate either. He played better than most QBs for quite some time. The rest of the team played very well too. Eli didn't play awesome last year, and the Giants are remaining patient with that guy. Houston turned on Schaub quickly. Even if his ability dropped off and he won't play the game at a high level again, I woudln't have treated him like Houston did. Schuab should get free beers at every bar within a 100 miles of Houston. Nope, Houston shows up at your door threating you and your family. The only thing I can think of is they saw their window close for a superbowl when his ability broke down. Do you think Shawn Alexander is booed in Seattle? Do you think Eli will be booed in NY if his arm turned to noodle?
 
2014-03-21 06:21:35 PM  

steamingpile: scottydoesntknow: The problem with Schaub is once he's broken, there's no way to repair him. And I'm not talking physically, I'm talking mentally and emotionally. Once Baltimore wrecked him, he was done. His spirit was broken and, more importantly, he was scared. He was scared to take chances, he was scared to go outside of the pocket, he was scared to move more than 5 yards with the ball, etc.

Our defense suffered because they were so farking tired because Shaub couldn't stay on the field for more than 5 plays.

Youre blaming all that on one game? Like there werent massive other issues on that team as well?

After the idiocy being spewed by houston fans I hope they go winless and the raiders win the super bowl


They said the same thing about Carson Palmer. After he got broke during/before the playoffs a few years back they said he played scared. He is doing quite admirably for Arizona.
 
2014-03-21 06:34:52 PM  

m1ke: scottydoesntknow: Our defense suffered because they were so farking tired because Shaub couldn't stay on the field for more than 5 plays.

This.  Kubiak shares some of the blame as well since he flat out told reporters that Schaub (and Keenum for that matter) wasn't allowed to audible at the line of scrimmage.  It probably takes a toll on you mentally when you read "all out blitz" and still have to drop back.

And to all you Raiders fans out there getting excited about picking up Schaub: Lol.


Getting excited? I don't know any Raiders fans doing that. But I don't hate the move. It doesn't have a long-term impact on the cap (negligible hit if Schaub is released after the season). The Raiders needed to spend some money to get to the salary floor. Schaub was horrible last season but that was the aberration in his career taken as a whole. I don't think he's a world-beater who can single-handedly get the Raiders to the Super Bowl, but, really, no one reasonable is expecting that in a rebuilding year. This is a no-harm move by a team that has indicated it wants to be more competitive immediately while building for the long-term through the draft. The Raiders entire FA strategy has clearly shown that. The club can walk away from any of these deals after one year. The problem is that if McKenzie whiffs on the draft, it won't work. But that's true of any GM and their team.
 
2014-03-21 06:45:33 PM  
I already hate next season,
 
2014-03-21 06:51:14 PM  
and what did you guys say about Jim Plunkett?
 
2014-03-21 06:59:38 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Our defense suffered because they were so farking tired because Shaub couldn't stay on the field for more than 5 plays.


To be fair, after the opponent's kickoff, he was right back on the field for another 6...
 
2014-03-21 07:00:16 PM  

m1ke: And to all you Raiders fans out there getting excited about picking up Schaub: Lol.


I don't know any of us who are excited but they spent a 6 on a guy who has won three times as many games in a single season over the current starters? Why not; not like they're really missing the five they gave up for Flynn (although the 4 spent on Tyler Wilson...).  Let's face it; they'll be lucky to get to 6 wins (5 might be optimistic on some quarters) against a crazy tough schedule.  If I had to guess I say they fire Allen promote Sporano and give McKenzie a "playoffs or bust" ultimatum.
 
2014-03-21 07:22:53 PM  
I wish him well. I never thought he was more than an average QB though and it was definitely time to go but I put some of the blame on Kubiak`s play calling. But Sherman broke him, not that he had much further to go.

But I did think the level of hatred he got from the fans was a little much. He had a terrible season. But the fans round here acted like he got caught taking a dump on Bum Phillips` grave while blowing Bud Adams with a mouth full of Kansas City BBQ after writing "Dallas Rules" on the Astrodome.
 
2014-03-21 07:24:26 PM  
It is not a bad deal, if he fails next years draft has some much better QB talent, he is just there to not be completely pressed to take a round 1 QB, or afford the luxury of maybe moving down gathering a few picks...so as an admitted Raider fan, not excited but a decent chance move, i could see a round 2 or 3 or 4 QB pick this year who stays on the bench for the season (Garropolo-Mettenberger-Failes etc...), or a top round pick in next years draft.
 
2014-03-21 07:33:08 PM  

desertgeek: m1ke: This.  Kubiak shares some of the blame as well since he flat out told reporters that Schaub (and Keenum for that matter) wasn't allowed to audible at the line of scrimmage.  It probably takes a toll on you mentally when you read "all out blitz" and still have to drop back.

Kubiak shouldn't be allowed to coach anymore for having a rule that stupid.


I believe that was a Mike Martz thing too, which led to Jay Cutler getting murdered every 7-step drop. Now that he's no longer coordinated by a bunch of mental patients, he's become better.
 
2014-03-21 08:01:50 PM  

scottydoesntknow: -They couldn't utilize Foster worth a damn and thought sending him up the middle every time was a good idea even though it was proven he gets more yards by running on the outside


When the know that you running outside, you get clobbered in the back field.
 
2014-03-21 08:41:16 PM  
Pretty cold that they traded him for a pick in the 6th round...
 
2014-03-21 09:39:17 PM  

Devo: steamingpile: scottydoesntknow: The problem with Schaub is once he's broken, there's no way to repair him. And I'm not talking physically, I'm talking mentally and emotionally. Once Baltimore wrecked him, he was done. His spirit was broken and, more importantly, he was scared. He was scared to take chances, he was scared to go outside of the pocket, he was scared to move more than 5 yards with the ball, etc.

Our defense suffered because they were so farking tired because Shaub couldn't stay on the field for more than 5 plays.

Youre blaming all that on one game? Like there werent massive other issues on that team as well?

After the idiocy being spewed by houston fans I hope they go winless and the raiders win the super bowl

They said the same thing about Carson Palmer. After he got broke during/before the playoffs a few years back they said he played scared. He is doing quite admirably for Arizona.


Where did Carson Palmer go after Cincinnati?

And how did he do there?
 
2014-03-21 09:41:16 PM  
Sixth round pick for a pick six.

Solid move by Reggie. Raiders can't afford to throw out another young QB to learn on the job (ie: get Carr'd). Neither McGloin or Pryor are franchise QB's, but can service as backups. No risk, Raiders can cut Schuab after 2014 with no penalty. This allows the Raiders to continue to build their Oline and their defense, and then can plug in a promising young QB when the team is ready (not the other way around, we've seen that that doesn't work).

He may thrive in a change of scenery and be the QB that he was before his bad season, or he may stink it up and and the Raiders are out a whopping 6th round pick. It's a win for the Raiders, a win for Schuab (fans in Houston weren't going to accept him again) and it's a win for Houston. This is a rare win>win>win.

Campbell was a 4th rounder, and Palmer was a 1st and 2nd rounder. I'd say the Raiders are doing a lot better with their front office as of late.
 
2014-03-21 09:44:36 PM  
I'm just relieved that the "Reggie is looking at acquiring Sanchez" rumours are finally squashed.

Yikes.
 
2014-03-21 11:02:32 PM  

scottydoesntknow: RoosterCogburn: I never understood the hate on Matt Schaub. He was neck and neck with Peyton Manning in a TD race a few years ago then had a rough season last year. Granted, I'm a Buccaneers fan - so I've set the bar pretty low already.

The problem with Schaub is once he's broken, there's no way to repair him. And I'm not talking physically, I'm talking mentally and emotionally. Once Baltimore wrecked him, he was done. His spirit was broken and, more importantly, he was scared. He was scared to take chances, he was scared to go outside of the pocket, he was scared to move more than 5 yards with the ball, etc.

Our defense suffered because they were so farking tired because Shaub couldn't stay on the field for more than 5 plays.


And he was conservative to begin with.

Really feel bad for the guy. He's given a lot for the franchise, and I do wish him a fresh start in Oakland, if he can get it.
 
2014-03-22 12:47:06 AM  

4NSpy: Campbell was a 4th rounder

... I'd say the Raiders are doing a lot better with their front office as of late

Sorry, my friend, but you are mistaken.  Campbell was well worth it, and the current front office is pretty crap.  Campbell's first year on the team, he led the team to 8-8 under Tom Cable (which I know you're painfully aware is a huge step up from every Raider team since 2002).

He ran up 59 points on Denver at Denver, a new franchise record, without any passes thrown in the fourth quarter.
He beat Seattle 33-3 the next week.
Campbell went 6-0 against the AFC West.
Not a great quarterback, but just fine for a 4th round pick.

The next year under a different head coach, he went 4-2 until he had a broken collarbone, which took him out for the season.  In one of those losses, the offense put up 35 points (19 in the other, against the Pats).

I don't think you can say this front office is doing a lot better than when they traded the pick for Campbell.  This GM spent their 4th round pick on a quarterback named Tyler Wilson, cut from the team, and traded a fifth-round pick in the 2014 draft and a conditional pick in 2015 for Matt Flynn, released after he started a single game.

/Happy to discuss how monumentally crappy this front office is and has been under Reggie, but it's not for this thread.
 
2014-03-22 02:53:51 AM  

4NSpy: I'm just relieved that the "Reggie is looking at acquiring Sanchez" rumours are finally squashed.

Yikes.


And Sanchez has been cut (duh). Wonder if we'll see him try the buttfumble on another roster?
 
2014-03-22 10:04:21 AM  

Dr.Fey: Happy to discuss how monumentally crappy this front office is and has been under Reggie, but it's not for this thread.


Did he pay six times sticker price for Carson Palmer?  No?  Then he's safe in the annals of 'Terrible Raider Decisions' 2003-Current Wing.
 
2014-03-22 01:48:20 PM  

Ken VeryBigLiar: Did he pay six times sticker price for Carson Palmer?


Oh, and who was the GM then?  Al Davis died eight days before Jason Campbell got injured, and that trade was made months before Reggie got hired.  Good on you to focus on the only trade/free agent signing/draft pick that happened in a vacuum of any leadership save Hubert.

No, Reggie sucks, probably not as much as Hubert's lone management decision, but that doesn't make him "safe in the annals of 'Terrible Raider Decisions' 2003-Current Wing."
 
2014-03-23 05:23:49 AM  
As a Raider fan.......decade or a bit more before we truly get our shiat together.  Hate it, but I feel it may be true based on our awesome decisions we seem to make over and over.
 
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