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2014-03-21 01:27:39 PM  
Atheist here
Fark religion threads are always fascinating. An overwhelming majority of posters here deride idiots for believing in the magical sky fairy, yet somehow over 70% of all Americans adults admit they believe in god.
I guess atheism is a hip trend that many abandon as they get older. Fear of afterlife, maybe?
 
2014-03-21 01:28:06 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Yay for the constant stream of nut jobs with high school educations clearing up the whole "existence of god" issue.  I bet she also has some valuable insights on the benefits of a flat tax.


FTFA:
Wickman has also been an engineer for Lockheed Martin Missiles & Space, where she worked on NASA's Hubble Space Telescope and International Space Station programs.

What do you do for a living again?
 
2014-03-21 01:28:32 PM  

scottydoesntknow: http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2014/03/20/does-the-big-bang-breakthrou g h-offer-proof-of-god/?hpt=hp_t4

religion.blogs.cnn.com

religion.blogs

religion

blogs


It goes:

Any news source on earth other than CNN >  Blogs > CNN >CNN Blogs
 
2014-03-21 01:28:37 PM  

durbnpoisn: I suppose I'm fine with people using this as an excuse for some hyper-intelligent being (called God), being responsible for the beginning of it all.  Whatever makes you feel better.  But it does not in any manner whatsoever prove any excuse for religion.


Well now I can sleep easy knowing that you think it is fine. That could have kept me up at night.
 
2014-03-21 01:28:46 PM  
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2014-03-21 01:29:03 PM  

Misconduc: Few years ago I went to college, there was a crazy chick spewing how Science cannot explain the big bang theory, let alone half of the universe, so in that case God must exist. I watched two drunk physic major's just drill the hell out of her for a good 20 minutes in which she couldn't even answer a single question on the law of physics.


Giggity
 
2014-03-21 01:29:31 PM  
Also: we've been over this over and over and over again. TFA lady needs to read up.

"Now we see how the astronomical evidence supports the biblical view of the origin of the world. The details differ, but the essential elements in the astronomical and biblical accounts of Genesis are the same: the chain of events leading to man commenced suddenly and sharply at a definite moment in time, in a flash of light and energy."

"There is a strange ring of feeling and emotion in these reactions [of scientists to evidence that the universe had a sudden beginning]. They come from the heart whereas you would expect the judgments to come from the brain. Why? I think part of the answer is that scientists cannot bear the thought of a natural phenomenon which cannot be explained, even with unlimited time and money. There is a kind of religion in science; it is the religion of a person who believes there is order and harmony in the Universe. Every event can be explained in a rational way as the product of some previous event; every effect must have its cause, there is no First Cause. ... This religious faith of the scientist is violated by the discovery that the world had a beginning under conditions in which the known laws of physics are not valid, and as a product of forces or circumstances we cannot discover. When that happens, the scientist has lost control. If he really examined the implications, he would be traumatized."

"Consider the enormity of the problem. Science has proved that the universe exploded into being at a certain moment. It asks: What cause produced this effect? Who or what put the matter or energy into the universe? And science cannot answer these questions, because, according to the astronomers, in the first moments of its existence the Universe was compressed to an extraordinary degree, and consumed by the heat of a fire beyond human imagination. The shock of that instant must have destroyed every particle of evidence that could have yielded a clue to the cause of the great explosion."

"For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountain of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."

Scientists have no proof that life was not the result of an act of creation, but they are driven by the nature of their profession to seek explanations for the origin of life that lie within the boundaries of natural law.


-Robert Jastrow,  The Enchanted Loom: Mind in the Universe, (1981), p. 19.
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2014-03-21 01:29:49 PM  
"The views expressed in this column belong to Wickman. "
 
2014-03-21 01:29:56 PM  

scottydoesntknow: http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2014/03/20/does-the-big-bang-breakthrou g h-offer-proof-of-god/?hpt=hp_t4
religion.blogs.cnn.com
religion.blogs
religion
blogs


You can't make it easier than that.
 
2014-03-21 01:30:00 PM  

tblax: Misconduc: Few years ago I went to college, there was a crazy chick spewing how Science cannot explain the big bang theory, let alone half of the universe, so in that case God must exist. I watched two drunk physic major's just drill the hell out of her for a good 20 minutes in which she couldn't even answer a single question on the law of physics.

Giggity


I don't know about you but I just experienced a Big Bang. In my pants.

/it was my penis
 
2014-03-21 01:30:40 PM  
Hey CNN:

Finding out that there was a beginning =/= existence of a creator.
 
2014-03-21 01:31:51 PM  
wasn't the big bang theory originally proposed by a catholic priest anyway? religion masquerading as science or something along those lines?
 
2014-03-21 01:32:13 PM  
our belief is superior to your speculation.

no, our speculation is superior to your belief!
 
2014-03-21 01:32:46 PM  

doubled99: Atheist here
Fark religion threads are always fascinating. An overwhelming majority of posters here deride idiots for believing in the magical sky fairy, yet somehow over 70% of all Americans adults admit they believe in god.
I guess atheism is a hip trend that many abandon as they get older. Fear of afterlife, maybe?


Or, Farkers are a non representative sample of the population.
Judging by the number of Facebook fundies I've ignored over the years, I'd say that must be the case.
 
2014-03-21 01:32:54 PM  

stonicus: Mikey1969: OtherLittleGuy: Well, of course. Here's the aftermath.

[i2.minus.com image 850x1133]

[whatshotwhatstrendingnow.files.wordpress.com image 786x1190]

That second one is interesting... I can't figure out if the 3rd zipper is for sex, or so she can take a leak...

Sometimes one, sometimes the other... and sometimes both at the same time...


Hmmm, love to get her number. I wonder if she does bachelor parties? I mean, I'm married, but I never had one, so I think my wife still owes me.
 
2014-03-21 01:33:46 PM  

rickythepenguin: [ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x300]


Nabb1: The guy who came up with the theory didn't seem bothered by the idea of the existence of God.


i just read Chris Hadfield's pretty entertaining book;  he flew several shuttle missions and spent about 6 months on the ISS.  anywyas, to your comment, he says something in the book, about how you see untold majesty in the cosmos and the awe of Earth (i think 18 sunrises in 24 hours due to the ISS' orbit), something like, "those who leave Earth either believing in a deity or rejecting religion in its entirety usually come back to Earth feeling even more strongly in that belief system, whatever it may be."

/he was on Nerdist podcast a few months back, very interesting listen.  book was ok but the podcast, more of his personality came through.  check it out brotherman.


Now, why doesn't god smite down astronauts the way he did all the people who tried to build the Tower of Babel?
 
2014-03-21 01:34:07 PM  
Is it bad to wish Ted Turner was running that place again?
 
2014-03-21 01:35:32 PM  

verbaltoxin: Dr Dreidel: HotWingConspiracy: Do christians grasp the folly of looking for proof of god?

For some reason I get the sense that they used to, but no.

I think it's silly but hey, a personal opinion by itself harms no one. It's when they try to strip science from science textbooks and replace it with myth that I get stabby.


I feel like that should be implied in every Fark-religion contribution (not to be confused with a "fark religion" contribution), and Farkers who state "Screw the religioners even if they teach The Big Bang and evolution in science class!" should be the ones who have to answer.

Just because, here's why I'm agnostic:
If god exists, what is my purpose? Ease the suffering of my fellow man as much and as often as possible.
If god does not exist, what is my purpose? Ease the suffering of my fellow man as much and as often as possible.

// subset of agnosticism called "apatheism"
 
2014-03-21 01:35:35 PM  
The Big Bang proves God exists, therefore no gays.
 
2014-03-21 01:36:09 PM  
They really should put a big potato icon at the top of their opinion pages and blogs.

img.fark.net
 
2014-03-21 01:36:37 PM  

doubled99: I guess atheism is a hip trend that many abandon as they get older. Fear of afterlife, maybe?


Back about 60 years ago you would have found well over 90% of adults saying they believed in god. Only about 10 years ago the number was over 80%. Now it's around 70%. It appears as if the more we find out about the world around us, the more people are willing to admit the sun is just a star and not Apollo in his chariot.
 
2014-03-21 01:36:44 PM  

stonicus: Now, why doesn't god smite down astronauts the way he did all the people who tried to build the Tower of Babel?


Again people are assuming the wrong god.

/Name the last time you saw frost giants walking around.
//Exactly.
 
2014-03-21 01:37:39 PM  
I tend to believe, without any scientific evidence or proof at all, that our universe is one of many within an even greater 'macroverse' much like how galaxies form and slowly dissipate inside our own universe... and that the distance of our reach out into the universe is still so infinitesimally small that it could be eons before we're able to prove (or disprove) it.

I don't, however, believe that huge aliens are playing marbles with us. Yet.
 
2014-03-21 01:38:08 PM  

Ambivalence: exick: Every sentence I read makes me facepalm harder than the previous one. I'm going to need medical attention if I keep reading.

Do you want us to have you commited?  You seem to be engaging in self-harm.


As the bear said "I dont think you're here for the hunting..."
 
2014-03-21 01:38:18 PM  

wantingout: wasn't the big bang theory originally proposed by a catholic priest anyway? religion masquerading as science or something along those lines?


By Georges Lemaître, to be precise.  The term "Big Bang" itself is a pejorative term coined by proponents of the steady state universe which was the prevailing view at the time.
 
2014-03-21 01:39:07 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: So you don't see the folly in looking for proof of god? Also, come off of your cross. Also, it was generally christians burning people at the stake for imagined slights against their god.


Is this person looking for "proof of God"? No, she's not- she's fitting new scientific fact into her religious worldivew. She's actually arguing the exact negation of your statement: She's demonstrating how this new scientific evidence does not imply the absence of God.

If P is "inflationary universe" and Q is "God exists", you're saying that she's arguing that P implies Q. She's actually arguing ~(P implies ~Q). Or, more simply, P and Q- she believes both that God exists and that there's an inflationary universe.

There's a whole host of people here who condemn Christians when they reject science, and they reject Christians when they reconcile with science. The reality is that they just hate religion, or that they hate Christians, and they're just going to be dickwads about it whenever the topic comes up.
 
2014-03-21 01:39:07 PM  
Christians are farking stupid.
 
2014-03-21 01:39:43 PM  

Mikey1969: Ironic that you come to fark to state your opinion about opinions...


What if I stated my opinion about recursions?
 
2014-03-21 01:39:44 PM  

vpb: To be fair, it's an opinion piece.


www.quickmeme.com
 
2014-03-21 01:39:48 PM  

waterrockets: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Yay for the constant stream of nut jobs with high school educations clearing up the whole "existence of god" issue.  I bet she also has some valuable insights on the benefits of a flat tax.

FTFA:
Wickman has also been an engineer for Lockheed Martin Missiles & Space, where she worked on NASA's Hubble Space Telescope and International Space Station programs.

What do you do for a living again?


Aside from her no doubt stellar work in astro engineering (pun sadly intended), she was instrumental in the development and programming of the Fountains of Bellagio in Las Vegas. I'd be surprised if anyone in this thread has contributed anything even half as valuable to humanity.
 
2014-03-21 01:41:48 PM  

Fubini: Oh look, it's a religious person reconciling new scientific knowledge with their religion, not rejecting the science or asserting that Genesis literally happened.


The problem with people doing it in this fashion is that hey already stakes his claim to already have an answer for everything (his god), so when approached with new science, he then twists the evidence to support his "ultimate" answer. This isn't science. This is moving goalposts so no matter the evidence, your already existing bias is always correct.

ts3.mm.bing.net
 
2014-03-21 01:42:43 PM  
Does the Big Bang breakthrough offer proof of God oscillation?

FTFY.

//Maybe. Maybe not.
 
2014-03-21 01:43:14 PM  
I found proof that there is a God a long time ago right here on Earth, and he walks amongst us:

www.metalsucks.net
 
2014-03-21 01:43:44 PM  

rickythepenguin: [ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x300]


Nabb1: The guy who came up with the theory didn't seem bothered by the idea of the existence of God.


i just read Chris Hadfield's pretty entertaining book;  he flew several shuttle missions and spent about 6 months on the ISS.  anywyas, to your comment, he says something in the book, about how you see untold majesty in the cosmos and the awe of Earth (i think 18 sunrises in 24 hours due to the ISS' orbit), something like, "those who leave Earth either believing in a deity or rejecting religion in its entirety usually come back to Earth feeling even more strongly in that belief system, whatever it may be."

/he was on Nerdist podcast a few months back, very interesting listen.  book was ok but the podcast, more of his personality came through.  check it out brotherman.


Second this.  I'm reading the book now, it's a pretty fun and easy read.  I'll have to check out that podcast too.
 
2014-03-21 01:44:05 PM  

wantingout: wasn't the big bang theory originally proposed by a catholic priest anyway? religion masquerading as science or something along those lines?


It was proposed by a Catholic priest, (Georges Lemaitre, as linked above) but he wasn't trying to masquerade religion as science. He was applying Einstein's theory to cosmology, and made the same realizations that Edwin Hubble would make two years later, and even formulated what we now call "Hubble's Law".

The Catholic church has a long history of funding science. You know all those priests and monks take a vow of celibacy, right? What else are they going to do?
 
2014-03-21 01:44:56 PM  

Fubini: Oh look, it's a religious person reconciling new scientific knowledge with their religion, not rejecting the science or asserting that Genesis literally happened.

Yes because the belief that all the technical bits of the creation of the universe were left out of Genesis since the illiterate, Middle Eastern, goat herders would have been confused is a perfectly rational one and not worthy of ridicule.
 
2014-03-21 01:45:18 PM  
Well, as scientists we follow the evidence wherever it leads. Maybe that ends up with us finally being worthy of speaking to a supreme being.  Or maybe if just makes us more understanding of how the universe operates.  Both good.
 
2014-03-21 01:46:57 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Hey CNN:

Finding out that there was a beginning =/= existence of a creator.


Reading the linked opinion piece in their religion blog section by a peaceful and reasonable Christian and scientist is a good idea before commentling. And after.
 
2014-03-21 01:47:25 PM  

Fubini: There's a whole host of people here who condemn Christians when they reject science, and they reject Christians when they reconcile with science. The reality is that they just hate religion, or that they hate Christians, and they're just going to be dickwads about it whenever the topic comes up.


Yeah, that bothers me, too. I have no problem with this, they still accept what science says, the biggest difference is that they want to find an outside cause for the BB, not a real big distinction if they are still accepting science.

Besides, all of the chuckleheads on here have to admit it's better than the people who flat out denied that it proved anything on the Fox News feed about this story in a thread that ran yesterday.
 
2014-03-21 01:48:26 PM  

RoxtarRyan: The problem with people doing it in this fashion is that hey already stakes his claim to already have an answer for everything (his god), so when approached with new science, he then twists the evidence to support his "ultimate" answer. This isn't science. This is moving goalposts so no matter the evidence, your already existing bias is always correct.


You're simply wrong. Where in TFA is the author twisting the science? She's not. She's not arguing that this proves God exists, and she's not denying any scientific fact, she's showing how new scientific fact is compatible with her religious views.
 
2014-03-21 01:50:37 PM  

exick: Yes because the belief that all the technical bits of the creation of the universe were left out of Genesis since the illiterate, Middle Eastern, goat herders would have been confused is a perfectly rational one and not worthy of ridicule.


You're assuming that the Bible has to be literally correct.

The Bible was never meant to be a technical how-to manual for creating the universe. You're the one arguing that it is.
 
2014-03-21 01:50:58 PM  
The big bang may have occurred numerous time over the course of cosmic history. So this means that God is either insane or caught in an infinite loop and needs a good programmer.
 
2014-03-21 01:52:51 PM  
So this latest discovery is good news for us believers, as it adds scientific support to the idea that the universe was caused - or created - by something or someone outside it and not dependent on it.

Well, it actually doesn't, but if you need that to get through the day, go right ahead. I won't stop you.
 
2014-03-21 01:53:29 PM  
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2014-03-21 01:54:14 PM  
Wait a minute ...

I thought we proved the existence of god a while back by how well a banana fits in the human hand.
 
2014-03-21 01:54:15 PM  

GleeUnit: Second this. I'm reading the book now, it's a pretty fun and easy read. I'll have to check out that podcast too.



not a spoiler per se but the book kinda ends with a cool story involving a fellow astronaut was was also a Navy SEAL.  I bet that guy never stops getting blown.

A Navy SEAL annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd and Astronaut.  Meaning, in all conceivable likelihood, a Ph.D. in something extremely technical, not some bullshiat Ph.D. in french literature.  How badass is that?

/and namedrop of meeting Mark Kelly a few months ago, husband of Gabby Giffords.  She was a few feet away from me but I didn't want to bother her.
 
2014-03-21 01:54:22 PM  

Fubini: exick: Yes because the belief that all the technical bits of the creation of the universe were left out of Genesis since the illiterate, Middle Eastern, goat herders would have been confused is a perfectly rational one and not worthy of ridicule.

You're assuming that the Bible has to be literally correct.

The Bible was never meant to be a technical how-to manual for creating the universe. You're the one arguing that it is.


Exactly. Those procedures are described in the Necronomicon.
 
2014-03-21 01:54:49 PM  

ranold: Christians are farking stupid.


You're a bigot.
 
2014-03-21 01:55:44 PM  

JackieRabbit: or caught in an infinite loop and needs a good programmer.


I would have went with 'massive tachyon burst to the focal point of the rift' or something.

/potato
//potahto
 
2014-03-21 01:56:08 PM  
Yeah, I have a theory, and it certainly involves some big bangin'...

www.novidadediaria.com.br

www.cineol.net

www.adrants.com

wallpaperweb.org
 
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