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(Fox 17 Grand Rapids)   Go over the alloted speaking time limit at your township board meeting? You bet that's a felony   (fox17online.com ) divider line
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2014-03-21 12:46:22 PM  
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Theaetetus: Mikey1969: Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: That said, arresting him on the spot and then charging him with resisting is a huge dick move, and a massive overstep on the part of the local cops.

Yeah, that wasn't really "resisting". I've seen people do far worse and never get charged. All they really needed to do was boot him, but they announced he was under arrest almost immediately, giving a little credence to his claim of premeditation. He still needs to learn how to be a functioning member of a society, people like that are why I've gone to a single city council meeting ever, but that wasn't resisting or obstructing compared to a lot of what we see. If nothing else, those cops were WAY too eager to arrest someone.

Yeah. Video is linked in the article. Where's the "resisting"? When he reached to pick up his papers as they were escorting him out? When he tried to move his arm to avoid being pushed into the door post?


If a cop says you are under arrest and grabs your wrist and you pull away so you can gather up your belongs.....you've resisted arrest.  It's not convenient - but that's how being arrested works.  You are "NOW" under arrest, not 'Okay, get your stuff and when you are ready, we'll arrest you'.

If you watch the full video, he did resist arrest, more than once.  The most undeniable is when he uses his foot to stop the car door from being closed on him.  He, pretty clearly, tries to break the first officer's hold on his wrist at the beginning of it all and later when they are downstairs and about to go outside.
2014-03-21 04:17:44 PM  
1 vote:

thefatbasturd: No. The disturbing the peace is a misdemeanor (try reading the articles It's FUN!). And that is what he will be allowed to plead down too. The felonies are the sword they dangle over his head to say "but NEXT time..."


"He's a jerk, so we will threaten to do him major irreparable harm if he's a jerk again."

First of all, like I said that's not the way a justice or LEO system should work.  If it even crosses your mind to threaten to use the law to skullfark the life of a mouthy old man, you are absolutely not the kind of person who should be an LEO.

Also like... he will need to hire a lawyer.  If he works he will need to take a fair bit of time off.  This is *juuuuuuuust* squeaks by under the statute, and is really mean spirited and extremely punitive for someone who, at the heart of their actions isn't REALLY doing anything wrong that would justify the response.
2014-03-21 01:03:57 PM  
1 vote:

Theaetetus: Mikey1969: Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: That said, arresting him on the spot and then charging him with resisting is a huge dick move, and a massive overstep on the part of the local cops.

Yeah, that wasn't really "resisting". I've seen people do far worse and never get charged. All they really needed to do was boot him, but they announced he was under arrest almost immediately, giving a little credence to his claim of premeditation. He still needs to learn how to be a functioning member of a society, people like that are why I've gone to a single city council meeting ever, but that wasn't resisting or obstructing compared to a lot of what we see. If nothing else, those cops were WAY too eager to arrest someone.

Yeah. Video is linked in the article. Where's the "resisting"? When he reached to pick up his papers as they were escorting him out? When he tried to move his arm to avoid being pushed into the door post?


At 0:59 - The cop says 'You are now under arrest' and he's turning and pulling away.
At 1:10 - When he pushes his arm to the other side of the doorway to prevent his exit.

Something happens after that off-camera...

At 1:30 - When he is trying to recover his glasses.
At 3:55 - When he doesn't want to leave because he needs his coat.
At 4:30 - When he is trying to grab his cell phone while the cops say 'Stop pulling'
At 4:49 - When he wants to keep talking to his buddy and uses his foot to stop the door from closing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resisting_arrest
"...physically struggling to get out from being restrained (handcuffed or put into the police vehicle)"


Under arrest means exactly that.  You have been 'seized' by the police.  Go directly to jail.  You can fight the charges, plead innocent, have your day in court, but you can't resist *at all*.
2014-03-21 12:50:46 PM  
1 vote:

Tran Forsythe: Fark_Guy_Rob: If this was the first time it happened - I might be more inclined to agree with you.

Gotta disagree with you - he didn't kill anyone, didn't rape anyone, didn't rob anyone, he just annoyed some people.  Now he's (potentially) labelled as a felon for the rest of his life, with all the little joys that come with that. (for starters, voting and employment are both curtailed when you have a felony under your belt)

/All that, for annoying some people.
//FFS


Annoying people is the disturbing the peace thing.  The serious trouble he is facing is from resisting arrest.
2014-03-21 12:20:11 PM  
1 vote:

Dancin_In_Anson: SIT DOWN AND DO AS YOU'RE TOLD CITIZEN!


Oh STFU, Anson. You have as little knowledge of what's happening here as I do of the workings of your town's Park and Rec.

The felony charge is for resisting and obstructing an officer; the speaking too long at the meeting is only a misdemeanor beef (disturbing the peace) that they finally pulled out because he's already been escorted out of two meetings for similar shenanigans.

This has been gathering steam for a while. Mark Adams has a track record of senseless complaints going back years, featuring claims of being oppressed by citations for zoning violations, junk removal, and similar infractions. (Local coverage from the Saginaw Snooze for anyone who's interested, and more video here.

(In there is the best misuse of Martin Niemoller's quote ever: "You came for my barbecue grill, you came for my bird feeder.")

He's beefing to a township board about acts of state and county government, because they're supposed to do what, exactly? They're supposed to just let business grind to a halt because of this paranoid slob?
2014-03-21 12:18:58 PM  
1 vote:
I've been in city council and county commission meetings when douchebags like this decide their whack-a-doo agendas should take priority over everyone else.  They will stand up at the podium and go on and on and on and on and on, even though there are time limits for speaking at these meetings. The time limits are there because of idiots like this who will make these meetings go for hours while they spout their conspiracy theories.  There are also plenty of other avenues for these morons to get their points across.
GBB
2014-03-21 12:16:56 PM  
1 vote:

Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk: I'm all for having him forcibly removed from the meeting. The guy was plainly disrupting the meeting and not following basic parliamentary procedure.

That said, arresting him on the spot and then charging him with resisting is a huge dick move, and a massive overstep on the part of the local cops. What the hell happened to chucking a guy in the drunk tank for the night and being done with it? Everyone goes home not a felon.


Because people like this don't understand what the real consequences of their actions are.  If the cops try to be nice and let him off with a warning, it's interpreted as being silenced by the cops for doing nothing wrong.  "See, they didn't even charge me with anything!?"  So they charged him for something to prove that he didn't do nothing wrong.
2014-03-21 12:13:54 PM  
1 vote:
I used to go to town meetings a lot before I became so jaded with the world.

There's always that one guy who just won't shut up, wants to bring up every perceived slight against him for the last 40 years, and makes no differentiation between a school board issue and a roads planning issue.

"Yeah, thanks Larry, we're discussing a new fire truck here, we don't want to hear about how you were denied a permit for a greenhouse in 1968... again."
2014-03-21 12:06:30 PM  
1 vote:

jesdynf: I once watched someone get escorted out of a City Council meeting by the police, shouting "this is the end of democracy".

If you want to protest, protest. Go outside and pull up a megaphone. Not being able to talk as much as you'd like in the air conditioned building with the fancy cameras streamed at city expense doesn't make you a martyr.


I have had to sit through a couple CC meetings and the resident loonies are the most annoying things in the world. They would ramble on for three days if no one stopped them. But they deserve their allotted time just like anyone else. This guy abused that on multiple occasions and that's that as far as I'm concerned.
2014-03-21 12:05:54 PM  
1 vote:
Sit down and shut the fark up...

I hate attention wanting bastards like this.
Nothing productive was ever accomplished by someone being an asshole...especially in public.
Do the proper paperwork, file your grievances...if it doesn't work, live with it. If you can't, farkin move.
But don't bore the world with your problems just because someone gives you a podium for a few minutes.
2014-03-21 12:03:01 PM  
1 vote:
No, he wasn't charged with a felony for that, Subby:

Mark Adams was charged Friday, March 14 with a felony resisting and obstructing police and a disturbing the peace misdemeanor.

But really, disturbing the peace should've been a stretch to charge him with. But it seems this is an ongoing problem with this guy so maybe they're putting their foot down.
2014-03-21 12:01:24 PM  
1 vote:
I once watched someone get escorted out of a City Council meeting by the police, shouting "this is the end of democracy".

If you want to protest, protest. Go outside and pull up a megaphone. Not being able to talk as much as you'd like in the air conditioned building with the fancy cameras streamed at city expense doesn't make you a martyr.
2014-03-21 08:17:34 AM  
1 vote:
SIT DOWN AND DO AS YOU'RE TOLD CITIZEN!
 
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