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(Politico)   Why Americans really hate Libertarians and therefore, Rand Paul   (politico.com) divider line 493
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2014-03-21 08:05:14 AM
Because they are the adult version of the greedy bastard kid down the street who refused to share his toys because they were his and no one elses!
 
2014-03-21 08:13:39 AM

I don't hate Libertarians, but y'all tend to send some of the douchiest examples of your kind to office. The ones we have in Congress tend to be NeoFeudalists who are REALLY hoping that they'll be inside the walls when their corporate masters finally implode democracy "for their own good" and be patted on the head for their service like a loyal puppy.



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You lay off that sh*t, and we can be cool. Otherwise, yeah, a philosophy of nothing but naked greed and finger pointing doesn't exactly resonate with me.
 
2014-03-21 08:30:53 AM
Or because Libertarianism has never been tried on a county basis let alone a national basis.

If you want to get five definitions of Libertarianism ask two Libertarians.
 
2014-03-21 08:45:28 AM
Hate? Who hates children?;b

/ducks, runs from thread
 
2014-03-21 08:47:08 AM
I think there's another reason: Most of the self-described libertarians that many of us interact with are internet trolls. Or, in real life, people like this guy

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2014-03-21 08:50:20 AM

phaseolus: I think there's another reason: Most of the self-described libertarians that many of us interact with are internet trolls. Or, in real life, people like this guy


O_o
 
2014-03-21 08:51:06 AM

phaseolus: I think there's another reason: Most of the self-described libertarians that many of us interact with are internet trolls. Or, in real life, people like this guy


Please tell me that is fake ...
 
2014-03-21 08:57:49 AM

phaseolus: I think there's another reason: Most of the self-described libertarians that many of us interact with are internet trolls. Or, in real life, people like this guy

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I know way too many women that look like that....
 
2014-03-21 09:11:06 AM
Americans think foreign aid makes up one third of the federal budget?

We're screwed.
 
2014-03-21 09:15:01 AM

WTF Indeed: Because they are the adult version of the greedy bastard kid down the street who refused to share his toys because they were his and no one elses!


done in one.
 
2014-03-21 09:19:05 AM

WTF Indeed: Because they are the adult version of the greedy bastard kid down the street who refused to share his toys because they were his and no one elses!


The one that had so many toys that if he lost half of them he wouldn't even notice? That kid? I hated that kid.
 
2014-03-21 09:26:29 AM

WTF Indeed: Because they are the adult version of the greedy bastard kid down the street who refused to share his toys because they were his and no one elses!


Pretty much this. Because today, it honestly seems like "Libertarian" has become a buzzword for "I'm a selfish asshole who refuses to learn from history, listen to anyone with training and education in a relevant field, and enjoys being as selfish as possible while annoying everyone else with conspiracy theories on the FDA, Fed, and 9/11."

Oh, they're also the embodiment of a FARK Independent. Not republican, but they sure share a LOT of their beliefs.
 
2014-03-21 09:33:25 AM
Maybe also because without the "Libertarian" moniker to legitimize themselves, deep down all they are is garden-variety douchebags.

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2014-03-21 09:34:37 AM
Objectivism id autism expressed as an existential philosophy.
Libertarianism is autism expressed as a political philosophy.
 
2014-03-21 09:35:42 AM
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2014-03-21 09:36:10 AM
I have no way of arguing against libertarianism that doesn't sound like a straw-man.  The problem is, this is an indictment of libertarianism, not my debate skills.  It's so fundamentally crazy, that it appears to be a self-parody.
 
2014-03-21 09:36:49 AM
Because all of their ideas are stupid, immature, and completely ignore human nature and interactions.

They deserve every ounce of scorn that can be heaped upon them, and when they express their opinions verbally, deserve every farking fist thrown towards their mouth.
 
2014-03-21 09:36:56 AM

phaseolus: I think there's another reason: Most of the self-described libertarians that many of us interact with are internet trolls. Or, in real life, people like this guy


I think I pulled something reading that.
 
2014-03-21 09:40:46 AM
libertarianism is a mild form of autism, it's not really fair to treat them with any less dignity than you would treat any other person with special needs.
 
2014-03-21 09:41:53 AM
Paul's libertarianism is intended to offer a little something for everybody, on the left and right-spending cuts for the Republican base, legal relief for potheads, a presidential pat on the head for gay people.

Did I miss Rand Paul's statement of support for marriage equality?
 
2014-03-21 09:43:28 AM
I don't hate most libertarians, but I do find them terribly silly.
 
2014-03-21 09:44:16 AM
I hate f*cking Libertarians

~Rand Paul
 
2014-03-21 09:44:36 AM
libertarianism itself is a good thing, but the term has been hijacked by right wing anarchists who stand only for absolute property rights -- even when those rights conflict with individual liberty, which is what libertarianism is supposed to stand for.
 
mhd
2014-03-21 09:44:42 AM
I guess we're not talking about Kropotkin-style libertarianism here, right?
 
2014-03-21 09:45:18 AM
I mean who could hate the, "fark you, I've got mine," platform they run on?
 
2014-03-21 09:45:37 AM

theknuckler_33: Paul's libertarianism is intended to offer a little something for everybody, on the left and right-spending cuts for the Republican base, legal relief for potheads, a presidential pat on the head for gay people.

Did I miss Rand Paul's statement of support for marriage equality?


No, he just things that we should all be to discriminate individually as states.
 
2014-03-21 09:46:04 AM
...because they're all charlatans?
 
2014-03-21 09:48:03 AM

theknuckler_33: Paul's libertarianism is intended to offer a little something for everybody, on the left and right-spending cuts for the Republican base, legal relief for potheads, a presidential pat on the head for gay people.

Did I miss Rand Paul's statement of support for marriage equality?


He's a neoconfederate. When he says "States Rights", he really means "Let's toss out the Civil Rights laws we have accumulated since the end of the Civil War and let the states do whatever they want, ensuring tyranny of the majority"

Paul is no more supportive of equal rights or same-sex marriage as Fred Phelps was.
 
2014-03-21 09:48:19 AM
Because like far left wingers, they are ideological purists (to a juvenile ideology) who have no realization that their fairy tale ideals would never work in the real world.
 
2014-03-21 09:50:18 AM
But in the voting booth Americans don't have principles; they have interests.

Well that's pretty damn succinct.
 
2014-03-21 09:51:09 AM

phaseolus: I think there's another reason: Most of the self-described libertarians that many of us interact with are internet trolls. Or, in real life, people like this guy

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Why do they all have such punchable faces?
 
2014-03-21 09:52:26 AM
Well, for starters, neither of the Paul's are libertarians.  They're opposed to the federal government telling people what they can and can't do, but they're all for state governments restricting abortion, banning gay marriage, restricting voting rights, etc., etc., etc.

Because if you're two gay guys that want to get married but can't it's a lot nicer if it's a state screwing you over instead of the feds.
 
2014-03-21 09:52:59 AM
Libertarians are full of shiat.

Quick! Spout some randian, isolationist bullshiat about how we should bury our heads in the sand cause GOLD STANDARD!
 
2014-03-21 09:54:49 AM

Karac: Because if you're two gay guys that want to get married but can't it's a lot nicer if it's a state screwing you over instead of the feds.


They hope you'll move to a blue state and leave Real 'Murrica to the Real 'Murricans.  It's kind of supply-driven segregation.
 
2014-03-21 09:57:03 AM
Libertarians ≠ "Going Galt"
 
2014-03-21 09:57:11 AM
Because their economic and most social ideas are based on false, unsustainable, premises?

/The only thing libertarians have right is getting rid of victimless crimes
 
2014-03-21 09:57:29 AM
well, maybe when he starts speechifying to repeal personal income tax, property tax, and dissolution of corporate charters, i consider him a libertarian,
Thomas Jeffersonwrote in a 1816 letter to George Logan:
I hope we shall... crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations which dare already to challenge our government in a trial of strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country."
 
2014-03-21 09:57:49 AM

phaseolus: I think there's another reason: Most of the self-described libertarians that many of us interact with are internet trolls. Or, in real life, people like this guy

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2014-03-21 09:58:47 AM

DarnoKonrad: libertarianism itself is a good thing, but the term has been hijacked by right wing anarchists who stand only for absolute property rights -- even when those rights conflict with individual liberty, which is what libertarianism is supposed to stand for.


One of the principle requirements for Anarchy-anything is no private ownership of capital, and no private property, only personal property.

A lot of right-wingers are trying to adopt the Anarchist titles (Anarcho-Capitalists are the worst) because it sounds edgy, cool, and mysterious, but their ideas run counter to what Anarchism is.

Basically, they're doing to Anarchism what they did to Libertarian: stealing a "cool" term and completely disposing of what it actually stands for.
 
2014-03-21 09:59:05 AM

2wolves: Or because Libertarianism has never been tried on a county basis let alone a national basis.

If you want to get five definitions of Libertarianism ask two Libertarians.


When we try libertarian ideas bad things happen. See: deregulation of the financial industry.
 
2014-03-21 09:59:30 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: Because their economic and most social ideas are based on false, unsustainable, premises?

/The only thing libertarians have right is getting rid of victimless crimes


Care to elaborate on that?
 
2014-03-21 09:59:31 AM

WTF Indeed: Because they are the adult version of the greedy bastard kid down the street who refused to share his toys because they were his and no one elses!


Add in the simplistic views of complex global and economic issues combined with some tin foil hat conspiracy theories about the fed and it is no wonder people who know how to read have been ignoring Ron and Rand for years.
 
2014-03-21 10:00:18 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: Libertarians ≠ "Going Galt"


Weak defense is weak.
 
2014-03-21 10:00:53 AM
Is it because they're self-important knowitalls, and if you put 10 of them in a room and ask a specific question the only thing they will agree on is that they are right?

Because the answer to everything complicated is a combo of "It's really simple" and "it's not my problem"?
 
2014-03-21 10:01:43 AM

WTF Indeed: Because they are the adult version of the greedy bastard kid down the street who refused to share his toys because they were his and no one elses!


They want your toys too.

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2014-03-21 10:01:54 AM
Because they're hypocrits who support the services and infrastructure that THEY use, while hiding behind so-called libertarian principles to keep from paying for them while calling for the removal of policies that protect equality and the implementation of policies based on bigotry and hatred?
 
2014-03-21 10:03:28 AM

monoski: WTF Indeed: Because they are the adult version of the greedy bastard kid down the street who refused to share his toys because they were his and no one elses!

Add in the simplistic views of complex global and economic issues combined with some tin foil hat conspiracy theories about the fed and it is no wonder people who know how to read have been ignoring Ron and Rand for years.


CAR RANDRON.
 
2014-03-21 10:04:16 AM
Libertarians are just anarchists.
 
2014-03-21 10:04:20 AM

PanicMan: I think I pulled something reading that.


To be fair, I'm pretty sure he was pulling something while writing it.
 
2014-03-21 10:04:48 AM
Fiscal conservatives might applaud Rand Paul when he talks about getting Afghan President Hamid Karzai off of welfare, but they'll scream if he comes within five miles of their Social Security checks.

Those People are just voting to keep their entitlements.

/Those Old People
 
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