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(Talking Points Memo)   Not content with unconvincing lies about Obamacare to tug at the heartstrings of Real 'Muricans, AFP decides to double down by cranking the bullshiat to 14...and they still get called on it   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 127
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2014-03-21 08:40:50 AM  
You know, if it sucks as bad as they claim it does, they wouldn't have to lie.
 
2014-03-21 08:44:37 AM  
"People don't like political ads. I don't like them either. But health care isn't about politics," the woman says.

It's like admitting they're duplicitous hypocrites.
 
2014-03-21 09:03:28 AM  
Americans For Propaganda

Why do they want Americans to die?
 
2014-03-21 09:05:16 AM  
Koch brothers.

www.saunatimes.com
 
2014-03-21 09:07:55 AM  
I am so glad we have PACs so a select few can influence the entire country with their massive amounts of money, aren't you?
 
2014-03-21 09:08:48 AM  
Meanwhile, we have this asshole, David Vitter over here:
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/david-vitter-god-bless-the-k oc h-brothers
 
2014-03-21 09:13:36 AM  

serpent_sky: Meanwhile, we have this asshole, David Vitter over here:
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/david-vitter-god-bless-the-k oc h-brothers


The diaper rash has spread to his brain.
 
2014-03-21 09:16:03 AM  

SilentStrider: You know, if it sucks as bad as they claim it does, they wouldn't have to lie.


exactly.

why can't they find one single obamacare "horror story" that's actually true?
 
2014-03-21 09:17:03 AM  

FlashHarry: why can't they find one single obamacare "horror story" that's actually true?


because if there is a true "horror story", it's something like "OMG, I HAD TO WAIT 5 MORE MINUTES!!!" or something insanely trivial like that
 
2014-03-21 09:17:50 AM  

Diogenes: The diaper rash has spread to his brain.


It must have, or he had a mild stroke when he said that the Koch Brothers are "freedom fighters." Unless he meant that they fight against freedom (for the rest of us, anyway) , which actually does make some sense.
 
2014-03-21 09:29:52 AM  
Obama said I could keep my doctor, but now he's in jail for Medicare fraud.

Why did Fartbongo lie to me?
 
2014-03-21 09:35:52 AM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Obama said I could keep my doctor, but now he's in jail for Medicare fraud.

Why did Fartbongo lie to me?


He said I could keep mine, too, but he was 87 and passed away unexpectedly.  Why did Fartbongo lie to me, too?
 
2014-03-21 09:37:31 AM  

Tomahawk513: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Obama said I could keep my doctor, but now he's in jail for Medicare fraud.

Why did Fartbongo lie to me?

He said I could keep mine, too, but he was 87 and passed away unexpectedly.  Why did Fartbongo lie to me, too?


Obama said I could keep my doctor too, so in order to make sure of it, I have her preserved in creosote in a 50 gallon drum in the back yard.
 
2014-03-21 09:37:34 AM  
Obama said I could keep my doctor, but he was hit by a bus, and killed.

Why did you lie to me, Obama?
 
2014-03-21 09:37:45 AM  
You can throw all the facts out there you want but the people they're targeting  aren't going to be troubled to read them.
 
2014-03-21 09:40:40 AM  

SordidEuphemism: Tomahawk513: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Obama said I could keep my doctor, but now he's in jail for Medicare fraud.

Why did Fartbongo lie to me?

He said I could keep mine, too, but he was 87 and passed away unexpectedly.  Why did Fartbongo lie to me, too?

Obama said I could keep my doctor too, so in order to make sure of it, I have her preserved in creosote in a 50 gallon drum in the back yard.


That really is the operative word, isn't it?
 
2014-03-21 09:41:21 AM  
People don't like political ads. I don't like them either. I do like money, though, so you can eat shiat and choke on it.
 
2014-03-21 09:42:04 AM  
They don't care if they get called on it.

You think people seeing these ads are going to look for rebuttals on liberal blogs?
 
2014-03-21 09:42:19 AM  

edmo: You can throw all the facts out there you want but the people they're targeting  aren't going to be troubled to read them.


The goal is to keep the peope they are targeting as small a number as possible.
 
2014-03-21 09:49:04 AM  

SordidEuphemism: Tomahawk513: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Obama said I could keep my doctor, but now he's in jail for Medicare fraud.

Why did Fartbongo lie to me?

He said I could keep mine, too, but he was 87 and passed away unexpectedly.  Why did Fartbongo lie to me, too?

Obama said I could keep my doctor too, so in order to make sure of it, I have her preserved in creosote in a 50 gallon drum in the back yard.


Thanks, Obama!
 
2014-03-21 09:49:06 AM  
For all their money and influence they've spent, Romney lost.
 
2014-03-21 09:49:25 AM  

somedude210: FlashHarry: why can't they find one single obamacare "horror story" that's actually true?

because if there is a true "horror story", it's something like "OMG, I HAD TO WAIT 5 MORE MINUTES!!!" or something insanely trivial like that


Or it was like Sean Hannity's horror story.

-calls the Obamacare phone number-
recording: "Thank you for calling the healthcare.gov phone line.  What state do you live in."
SH: "Hello, my name is Sean.  What's yours?"
recording: "I'm sorry, I didn't understand that.  Could you repeat the name of the state in which you live?"
SH: "Hello, my name is Sean.  What's yours?"  to listeners: "This things sucks - they're operators are so stupid they don't even know their own names!"
 
2014-03-21 09:53:43 AM  
Can we please not abbreviate Americans For Prosperity?
On a news media oriented site AFP should be reserved for the French press agency.
 
2014-03-21 09:55:02 AM  
Obama said I could keep my Doctor, but then Matt Smith left the show. Why did Fartbongo lie to me??
 
2014-03-21 09:55:26 AM  
So, did these ads make it on air? Or were they prevented from it because they were false? Sorry, I don't have TV and am unaware of the relevant broadcast laws
 
2014-03-21 09:58:19 AM  
I am totally surprised that conservatives would lie in order to extend a narrative.

By this point, I'd be surprised if they could NOT lie.
 
2014-03-21 09:59:18 AM  
Obama said I could keep my doctor, but he lost his medical liscence.

REPEAL!
 
2014-03-21 10:00:50 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-21 10:02:09 AM  

Dansker: Can we please not abbreviate Americans For Prosperity?
On a news media oriented site AFP should be reserved for the French press agency.


It could be worse.  Go look at the picture fark uses for links to the Detroit Free Press.
 
2014-03-21 10:02:33 AM  

vernonFL: For all their money and influence they've spent, Romney lost.


They supported many candidates and I think all but one lost was the last count
 
2014-03-21 10:05:46 AM  

The Why Not Guy: Obama said I could keep my Doctor, but then Matt Smith left the show. Why did Fartbongo lie to me??


In 2016, tell Obama "F*ckity-bye!"
 
2014-03-21 10:05:52 AM  

Karac: Or it was like Sean Hannity's horror story.

-calls the Obamacare phone number-
recording: "Thank you for calling the healthcare.gov phone line. What state do you live in."
SH: "Hello, my name is Sean. What's yours?"
recording: "I'm sorry, I didn't understand that. Could you repeat the name of the state in which you live?"
SH: "Hello, my name is Sean. What's yours?" to listeners: "This things sucks - they're operators are so stupid they don't even know their own names!"


Wait, what?  Is that actually exact quotes....?  Did he at least play it up like slapstick?
 
2014-03-21 10:06:39 AM  
Here's a real Obamacare horror story.

Basich, 62, bought a plan through the state's Nevada Health Link insurance exchange in the fall. He's been paying monthly premiums since November.
Yet the Las Vegan is stranded in a no-man's-land where no carrier claims him, and his tab is mounting: Basich owes $407,000 for care received in January and February, when his policy was supposed to be in effect. Instead, he's covered only for March and beyond.
Basich said he began trying to enroll on Oct. 1, the day the exchange website went live. Like many consumers, he fought technical flaws during multiple sign-up attempts. In mid-November he finally got through and chose his plan: UnitedHealthcare's MyHPNSilver1.
"It was like reaching the third level of Doom," Basich said of the torturous sign-up process.
Basich paid his first premium on Nov. 21, and within days the exchange withdrew the $160.77 payment from his money-market savings account. Because Basich paid a month before the Dec. 23 deadline, his coverage was to begin Jan. 1.
Weeks ticked by, but Basich received nothing to confirm he had insurance. Nevada Health Link kept telling him he was enrolled, but UnitedHealthcare said he wasn't in their system.
Basich's predicament went critical on Dec. 31, when he had a heart attack. His treatment, which included a triple bypass on Jan. 3, resulted in $407,000 in medical bills in January and February that no insurer is covering.
Basich and his insurance broker, Tamar Burch of Branch Benefits Consultants, said the issue appears to be confusion at the state exchange. Xerox's system says Basich chose a plan from another insurer, Nevada Health CO-OP, even though Basich has paperwork that shows he selected MyHPNSilver1. In short, Xerox can't seem to decide where Basich belongs, Burch said.
So the exchange is trying to compromise, putting Basich with Nevada Health CO-OP for January and February, when he incurred his bills, and with UnitedHealthcare from this month on. But CO-OP officials say Basich is not their member.
 
2014-03-21 10:06:47 AM  

Karac: Dansker: Can we please not abbreviate Americans For Prosperity?
On a news media oriented site AFP should be reserved for the French press agency.

It could be worse.  Go look at the picture fark uses for links to the Detroit Free Press.


To be fair, the actual url for the Detroit Free Press IS freep.com. No idea why they chose that.
 
2014-03-21 10:08:20 AM  
i13.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-21 10:08:34 AM  

SlothB77: "It was like reaching the third level of Doom," Basich said of the torturous sign-up process.


with or without running some cheating emulator with mouselook enabled

i can only assume with if he only got to e1m3
 
2014-03-21 10:10:27 AM  

Tomahawk513: He said I could keep mine, too, but he was 87 and passed away unexpectedly. Why did Fartbongo lie to me, too?


Did he die of natural causes or was he death paneled?
 
2014-03-21 10:13:07 AM  

Tomahawk513: He said I could keep mine, too, but he was 87 and passed away unexpectedly.


jso2897: Obama said I could keep my doctor, but he was hit by a bus, and killed.


Who's responsible for maintaining the Obama death list? We'll need to make sure it's kept up to date.
 
2014-03-21 10:13:13 AM  

SlothB77: "It was like reaching the third level of Doom," Basich said of the torturous sign-up process.



First world problems. He should try the torture process at Abu Graib.
 
2014-03-21 10:13:37 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Karac: Or it was like Sean Hannity's horror story.

-calls the Obamacare phone number-
recording: "Thank you for calling the healthcare.gov phone line. What state do you live in."
SH: "Hello, my name is Sean. What's yours?"
recording: "I'm sorry, I didn't understand that. Could you repeat the name of the state in which you live?"
SH: "Hello, my name is Sean. What's yours?" to listeners: "This things sucks - they're operators are so stupid they don't even know their own names!"

Wait, what?  Is that actually exact quotes....?  Did he at least play it up like slapstick?


The last part to the listeners isn't an exact quote, merely what he was trying to express by his tone.  And I'm not sure on what the recording was saying.

But the part about repeatedly asking an obvious recording what is its name is - that's a direct quote.
 
2014-03-21 10:15:37 AM  
So why are they still fighting against it?  What is the conservative end goal?
 
2014-03-21 10:16:35 AM  
I dont trust the government, because they are elected. Instead I trust a couple guys from Kansas because they have lots of money.
 
2014-03-21 10:17:20 AM  

rev. dave: So why are they still fighting against it?  What is the conservative end goal?


To make Obama a two-term president.
 
2014-03-21 10:18:03 AM  

SlothB77: Here's a real Obamacare horror story.

Basich, 62, bought a plan through the state's Nevada Health Link insurance exchange in the fall. He's been paying monthly premiums since November.
Yet the Las Vegan is stranded in a no-man's-land where no carrier claims him, and his tab is mounting: Basich owes $407,000 for care received in January and February, when his policy was supposed to be in effect. Instead, he's covered only for March and beyond.
Basich said he began trying to enroll on Oct. 1, the day the exchange website went live. Like many consumers, he fought technical flaws during multiple sign-up attempts. In mid-November he finally got through and chose his plan: UnitedHealthcare's MyHPNSilver1.
"It was like reaching the third level of Doom," Basich said of the torturous sign-up process.
Basich paid his first premium on Nov. 21, and within days the exchange withdrew the $160.77 payment from his money-market savings account. Because Basich paid a month before the Dec. 23 deadline, his coverage was to begin Jan. 1.
Weeks ticked by, but Basich received nothing to confirm he had insurance. Nevada Health Link kept telling him he was enrolled, but UnitedHealthcare said he wasn't in their system.
Basich's predicament went critical on Dec. 31, when he had a heart attack. His treatment, which included a triple bypass on Jan. 3, resulted in $407,000 in medical bills in January and February that no insurer is covering.
Basich and his insurance broker, Tamar Burch of Branch Benefits Consultants, said the issue appears to be confusion at the state exchange. Xerox's system says Basich chose a plan from another insurer, Nevada Health CO-OP, even though Basich has paperwork that shows he selected MyHPNSilver1. In short, Xerox can't seem to decide where Basich belongs, Burch said.
So the exchange is trying to compromise, putting Basich with Nevada Health CO-OP for January and February, when he incurred his bills, and with UnitedHealthcare from this month on. But CO-OP officials ...


That's not a horror story about Obamacare not working, its a glitch in the system that could be attached to any large company. It definitely sucks and he's going to go through a metric s**t-ton of paperwork to get it fixed, but he's not going to have to pay those bills.
 
2014-03-21 10:18:54 AM  

SlothB77: Basich's predicament went critical on Dec. 31, when he had a heart attack. His treatment, which included a triple bypass on Jan. 3, resulted in $407,000 in medical bills in January and February that no insurer is covering.


Yet we keep hearing from the Republican party that this part is fine. Uninsured? Just go the emergency room and get your "free" care. The premiums he would've saved by not signing up would totally cover this sort of expense.
 
2014-03-21 10:19:21 AM  
http://www.wpr.org/conservative-group-calls-7-iron-county-board-candid ates-radical-environmentalists
 
2014-03-21 10:19:46 AM  
FTFA: Americans For Prosperity is struggling to find a way to attack Obamacare that fits the facts.

Since when does Astroturfers for Plutocracy care about facts?
 
2014-03-21 10:21:45 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Karac: Dansker: Can we please not abbreviate Americans For Prosperity?
On a news media oriented site AFP should be reserved for the French press agency.

It could be worse.  Go look at the picture fark uses for links to the Detroit Free Press.

To be fair, the actual url for the Detroit Free Press IS freep.com. No idea why they chose that.


Because they can't trademark "Free Press"
 
2014-03-21 10:22:38 AM  

SlothB77: Here's a real Obamacare horror story.


Not even close. Two different insurers are arguing over which applies. One of them will be responsible. This is a simple change in coverage problem, not at all endemic to "Obamacare." And, incidentally, every single person receiving medical treatment "owes" every cent they're charged by a health care provider until their health insurer actually pays out.
 
2014-03-21 10:24:25 AM  

SlothB77: the issue appears to be confusion at the state exchange.


Why can't Obama run Nevada better?
 
2014-03-21 10:26:23 AM  
'Americans for Prosperity' for as few people as possible.
 
2014-03-21 10:26:52 AM  

Karac: Dansker: Can we please not abbreviate Americans For Prosperity?
On a news media oriented site AFP should be reserved for the French press agency.

It could be worse.  Go look at the picture fark uses for links to the Detroit Free Press.


Ooh, that's gotta burn!
 
2014-03-21 10:27:26 AM  

JamesBenjamin: That's not a horror story about Obamacare not working, its a glitch in the system that could be attached to any large company. It definitely sucks and he's going to go through a metric s**t-ton of paperwork to get it fixed, but he's not going to have to pay those bills.


Considering the various website issues at and after launch, let's see if this 'glitch' ends up being an anomaly, or the norm.

The difference between Obamacosts and 'any large company' is that
a) if the large company screws up enough, it goes out of business.
b) citizens don't have to pay a tax penalty if they don't do business with the large company.
 
2014-03-21 10:28:39 AM  

James!: SlothB77: the issue appears to be confusion at the state exchange.

Why can't Obama run Nevada better?



He's not an authoritarian dictator shoving socialism down our throat with an iron fist this week. Clearly we're working the inept empty chair with lack of leadership angle.
 
2014-03-21 10:29:45 AM  

SlothB77: Here's a real Obamacare horror story.

Basich, 62, bought a plan through the state's Nevada Health Link insurance exchange in the fall. He's been paying monthly premiums since November.
Yet the Las Vegan is stranded in a no-man's-land where no carrier claims him, and his tab is mounting: Basich owes $407,000 for care received in January and February, when his policy was supposed to be in effect. Instead, he's covered only for March and beyond.
Basich said he began trying to enroll on Oct. 1, the day the exchange website went live. Like many consumers, he fought technical flaws during multiple sign-up attempts. In mid-November he finally got through and chose his plan: UnitedHealthcare's MyHPNSilver1.
"It was like reaching the third level of Doom," Basich said of the torturous sign-up process.
Basich paid his first premium on Nov. 21, and within days the exchange withdrew the $160.77 payment from his money-market savings account. Because Basich paid a month before the Dec. 23 deadline, his coverage was to begin Jan. 1.
Weeks ticked by, but Basich received nothing to confirm he had insurance. Nevada Health Link kept telling him he was enrolled, but UnitedHealthcare said he wasn't in their system.
Basich's predicament went critical on Dec. 31, when he had a heart attack. His treatment, which included a triple bypass on Jan. 3, resulted in $407,000 in medical bills in January and February that no insurer is covering.
Basich and his insurance broker, Tamar Burch of Branch Benefits Consultants, said the issue appears to be confusion at the state exchange. Xerox's system says Basich chose a plan from another insurer, Nevada Health CO-OP, even though Basich has paperwork that shows he selected MyHPNSilver1. In short, Xerox can't seem to decide where Basich belongs, Burch said.
So the exchange is trying to compromise, putting Basich with Nevada Health CO-OP for January and February, when he incurred his bills, and with UnitedHealthcare from this month on. But CO-OP officials ...


Here's a more balanced version of the story than the one that was copypasta'ed all over the right wing echo chamber:

"His visits to the board meeting caught the attention of insurance broker Tamar Burch....

"'Now it's just finding the carrier that's going to assume the risk that he elected and submit those claims and it's done. it's a very simple process,' Burch said."
 
2014-03-21 10:29:59 AM  

kronicfeld: SlothB77: Here's a real Obamacare horror story.

Not even close. Two different insurers are arguing over which applies. One of them will be responsible. This is a simple change in coverage problem, not at all endemic to "Obamacare." And, incidentally, every single person receiving medical treatment "owes" every cent they're charged by a health care provider until their health insurer actually pays out.


or it could be an issue with the information the state exchange is sending to insurers:

Nevada Health Link kept telling him he was enrolled, but UnitedHealthcare said he wasn't in their system.

perhaps the glitchy state exchange is sending the wrong enrollment data to the insurers?
 
2014-03-21 10:35:19 AM  

kronicfeld: SlothB77: Here's a real Obamacare horror story.

Not even close. Two different insurers are arguing over which applies. One of them will be responsible. This is a simple change in coverage problem, not at all endemic to "Obamacare." And, incidentally, every single person receiving medical treatment "owes" every cent they're charged by a health care provider until their health insurer actually pays out.


Never mind that fact that if we had implemented a single-payer system years ago, like every other sensible country, this sort of problem wouldn't exist.

/it might have happened as people were being transitioned over, but that happens just as frequently when a large company changes insurance providers
 
2014-03-21 10:35:25 AM  

BMulligan: "His visits to the board meeting caught the attention of insurance broker Tamar Burch....

"'Now it's just finding the carrier that's going to assume the risk that he elected and submit those claims and it's done. it's a very simple process,' Burch said."


that's the best horror story i could find.  I think I did a better job than AFP.

from your link:

Basich fell into the sea of glitches that the Nevada Health Link site has been experiencing since it opened.

The first challenge he says was when he selected a plan through Health Plan of Nevada, but instead was incorrecly matched with Nevada Health Co-op.

As the exchange website has been dealing with problems in its payment process, Basich says eventually his payment was accepted in time for January coverage. At least he so he thought so.

"It is inconceivable to believe a simple inquiry has taken over five months to determine which carrier will assume the risk," Burch said.


welcome to working with the government.  It wasn't just a glitch.  It was a sea of glitches.  And i don't think Basich is the only one who fell into it, either.
 
2014-03-21 10:37:20 AM  

SlothB77: kronicfeld: SlothB77: Here's a real Obamacare horror story.

Not even close. Two different insurers are arguing over which applies. One of them will be responsible. This is a simple change in coverage problem, not at all endemic to "Obamacare." And, incidentally, every single person receiving medical treatment "owes" every cent they're charged by a health care provider until their health insurer actually pays out.

or it could be an issue with the information the state exchange is sending to insurers:

Nevada Health Link kept telling him he was enrolled, but UnitedHealthcare said he wasn't in their system.

perhaps the glitchy state exchange is sending the wrong enrollment data to the insurers?


Who is responsible for the Nevada exchange?
 
2014-03-21 10:38:00 AM  

SlothB77: kronicfeld: SlothB77: Here's a real Obamacare horror story.

Not even close. Two different insurers are arguing over which applies. One of them will be responsible. This is a simple change in coverage problem, not at all endemic to "Obamacare." And, incidentally, every single person receiving medical treatment "owes" every cent they're charged by a health care provider until their health insurer actually pays out.

or it could be an issue with the information the state exchange is sending to insurers:

Nevada Health Link kept telling him he was enrolled, but UnitedHealthcare said he wasn't in their system.

perhaps the glitchy state exchange is sending the wrong enrollment data to the insurers?


It could be lots of things that caused his glitch. But the question is how is this man any worse off by virtue of the ACA then he would have been under the old system? The two insurance companies, the hospital and possibly the nevada exchange will have to sort this out, but he with the exception of some frustration in figuring out who actually covers him of the two companies is certainly no worse off than before the ACA went into effect. Neither is the hospital system any worse off. So what is your problem with the law now?

img.fark.net
 
2014-03-21 10:38:25 AM  

James!: Who is responsible for the Nevada exchange?


stone cold steve austin
 
2014-03-21 10:38:40 AM  

SlothB77: BMulligan: "His visits to the board meeting caught the attention of insurance broker Tamar Burch....

"'Now it's just finding the carrier that's going to assume the risk that he elected and submit those claims and it's done. it's a very simple process,' Burch said."

that's the best horror story i could find.  I think I did a better job than AFP.

from your link:

Basich fell into the sea of glitches that the Nevada Health Link site has been experiencing since it opened.

The first challenge he says was when he selected a plan through Health Plan of Nevada, but instead was incorrecly matched with Nevada Health Co-op.

As the exchange website has been dealing with problems in its payment process, Basich says eventually his payment was accepted in time for January coverage. At least he so he thought so.

"It is inconceivable to believe a simple inquiry has taken over five months to determine which carrier will assume the risk," Burch said.

welcome to working with the government any large organization attempting a big roll-out (Blizzard, Apple, Sid Meyers...).  It wasn't just a glitch.  It was a sea of glitches.  And i don't think Basich is the only one who fell into it, either.

 
2014-03-21 10:39:06 AM  

SilentStrider: You know, if it sucks as bad as they claim it does, they wouldn't have to lie.

 
2014-03-21 10:39:43 AM  

sprawl15: James!: Who is responsible for the Nevada exchange?

stone cold steve austin


Which is actually fortunate since he's a well respected Oncologist.  A lot of people don't know that.
 
2014-03-21 10:48:52 AM  

sdd2000: It could be lots of things that caused his glitch. But the question is how is this man any worse off by virtue of the ACA then he would have been under the old system? The two insurance companies, the hospital and possibly the nevada exchange will have to sort this out, but he with the exception of some frustration in figuring out who actually covers him of the two companies is certainly no worse off than before the ACA went into effect. Neither is the hospital system any worse off. So what is your problem with the law now?


if he had insurance before without glitches and confusion, then he is.  the article does not say whether his new plan is more expensive or less expensive than his previous plan.
 
2014-03-21 10:49:14 AM  

SlothB77: that's the best horror story i could find.


We know. Bless your heart.
 
2014-03-21 10:51:46 AM  
AFP? For a moment I thought subby was referring to Agence France-Presse and that they had gone full FoxNewsy
 
2014-03-21 10:56:08 AM  

SlothB77: that's the best horror story i could find.


The best horror story you could find is two insurance companies fighting over which one is going to pay the bill.

In other words, you found a glitch in Obamacare that has existed since the first insurance company went into business.
 
2014-03-21 10:57:43 AM  

SlothB77: sdd2000: It could be lots of things that caused his glitch. But the question is how is this man any worse off by virtue of the ACA then he would have been under the old system? The two insurance companies, the hospital and possibly the nevada exchange will have to sort this out, but he with the exception of some frustration in figuring out who actually covers him of the two companies is certainly no worse off than before the ACA went into effect. Neither is the hospital system any worse off. So what is your problem with the law now?

if he had insurance before without glitches and confusion, then he is.  the article does not say whether his new plan is more expensive or less expensive than his previous plan.


You know if my aunt had been born with testicles she might of been my uncle.

 I think the article shows he has insurance now, it is just everyone figuring out which company is responsible. Even if he had insurance before and it was less expensive by even a large amount of $1000 more per month (a ridiculous amount) is he much worse off by being $410,000 as opposed to the $407,000 in alleged debt that might be the case if two insurance companies  pre ACA were undergoing the same fight?
 
2014-03-21 10:59:27 AM  

Karac: SlothB77: that's the best horror story i could find.

The best horror story you could find is two insurance companies fighting over which one is going to pay the bill.

In other words, you found a glitch in Obamacare that has existed since the first insurance company went into business.


Technically really existed only once the second company came into the business, but the point is well taken.
 
2014-03-21 10:59:44 AM  

SlothB77: if he had insurance before without glitches and confusion, then he is.


There is no such thing....ever.
 
2014-03-21 11:07:29 AM  

SlothB77: BMulligan: "His visits to the board meeting caught the attention of insurance broker Tamar Burch....

"'Now it's just finding the carrier that's going to assume the risk that he elected and submit those claims and it's done. it's a very simple process,' Burch said."

that's the best horror story i could find.  I think I did a better job than AFP.

from your link:

Basich fell into the sea of glitches that the Nevada Health Link site has been experiencing since it opened.

The first challenge he says was when he selected a plan through Health Plan of Nevada, but instead was incorrecly matched with Nevada Health Co-op.

As the exchange website has been dealing with problems in its payment process, Basich says eventually his payment was accepted in time for January coverage. At least he so he thought so.

"It is inconceivable to believe a simple inquiry has taken over five months to determine which carrier will assume the risk," Burch said.

welcome to working with the government.  It wasn't just a glitch.  It was a sea of glitches.  And i don't think Basich is the only one who fell into it, either.


Website malfunction.  Sucks. Blaming it on Obamacare is ridiculous, though. Before Obamacare, he would have owed all that money with no chance of it being covered, since he had no insurance. After Obamacare he tried to sign up, and it will likely end up covered. Sure, there's some execution problems from the website, many of which have been fixed, but did Obamacare cause him to have the huge bill where before he would have paid nothing? Nope. He would have had the heart attack either way, but before Obamacare, he'd've been uncovered and even more screwed.

So in in your eyes, this is a horror story?
Pre-Obamacare: Massive medical debt
Post Obamacare: Debt will end up paid, but some hassle in getting it cleared up.
 
2014-03-21 11:07:30 AM  

SlothB77: perhaps the glitchy state exchange is sending the wrong enrollment data to the insurers?



Clearly, Obamacare is an abysmal failure and should be repealed.
 
2014-03-21 11:08:17 AM  

sdd2000: Karac: SlothB77: that's the best horror story i could find.

The best horror story you could find is two insurance companies fighting over which one is going to pay the bill.

In other words, you found a glitch in Obamacare that has existed since the first insurance company went into business.

Technically really existed only once the second company came into the business, but the point is well taken.


If a second insurance company to blame problems on and confuse matters did not exist, then the first would have had to invent it.
 
2014-03-21 11:10:30 AM  

Karac: SlothB77: that's the best horror story i could find.

The best horror story you could find is two insurance companies fighting over which one is going to pay the bill.

In other words, you found a glitch in Obamacare that has existed since the first insurance company went into business.


Well, the second, actually. That's the awesome part about single payer.
 
2014-03-21 11:10:31 AM  

SlothB77: JamesBenjamin: That's not a horror story about Obamacare not working, its a glitch in the system that could be attached to any large company. It definitely sucks and he's going to go through a metric s**t-ton of paperwork to get it fixed, but he's not going to have to pay those bills.

Considering the various website issues at and after launch, let's see if this 'glitch' ends up being an anomaly, or the norm.

The difference between Obamacosts and 'any large company' is that
a) if the large company screws up enough, it goes out of business.
b) citizens don't have to pay a tax penalty if they don't do business with the large company.


Look at the guy who has no idea what ACA did.  Look at him and laugh.
 
2014-03-21 11:14:19 AM  

SlothB77: Here's a real Obamacare horror story.

Basich, 62, bought a plan through the state's Nevada Health Link insurance exchange in the fall. He's been paying monthly premiums since November.
Yet the Las Vegan is stranded in a no-man's-land where no carrier claims him, and his tab is mounting: Basich owes $407,000 for care received in January and February, when his policy was supposed to be in effect. Instead, he's covered only for March and beyond.
Basich said he began trying to enroll on Oct. 1, the day the exchange website went live. Like many consumers, he fought technical flaws during multiple sign-up attempts. In mid-November he finally got through and chose his plan: UnitedHealthcare's MyHPNSilver1.
"It was like reaching the third level of Doom," Basich said of the torturous sign-up process.
Basich paid his first premium on Nov. 21, and within days the exchange withdrew the $160.77 payment from his money-market savings account. Because Basich paid a month before the Dec. 23 deadline, his coverage was to begin Jan. 1.
Weeks ticked by, but Basich received nothing to confirm he had insurance. Nevada Health Link kept telling him he was enrolled, but UnitedHealthcare said he wasn't in their system.
Basich's predicament went critical on Dec. 31, when he had a heart attack. His treatment, which included a triple bypass on Jan. 3, resulted in $407,000 in medical bills in January and February that no insurer is covering.
Basich and his insurance broker, Tamar Burch of Branch Benefits Consultants, said the issue appears to be confusion at the state exchange. Xerox's system says Basich chose a plan from another insurer, Nevada Health CO-OP, even though Basich has paperwork that shows he selected MyHPNSilver1. In short, Xerox can't seem to decide where Basich belongs, Burch said.
So the exchange is trying to compromise, putting Basich with Nevada Health CO-OP for January and February, when he incurred his bills, and with UnitedHealthcare from this month on. But CO-OP officials ...


So Xerox f*cked up AT THE STATE LEVEL and that's the ACA's fault?
 
2014-03-21 11:14:21 AM  
Basich's predicament went critical on Dec. 31, when he had a heart attack. His treatment, which included a triple bypass on Jan. 3, resulted in $407,000 in medical bills in January and February that no insurer is covering.

Under the old system, that little cardiac event would have made it impossible for him to ever get insurance for the rest of his life.  He's lucky Obamacare exists, even with the glitches.
 
2014-03-21 11:16:21 AM  

SlothB77: JamesBenjamin: That's not a horror story about Obamacare not working, its a glitch in the system that could be attached to any large company. It definitely sucks and he's going to go through a metric s**t-ton of paperwork to get it fixed, but he's not going to have to pay those bills.

Considering the various website issues at and after launch, let's see if this 'glitch' ends up being an anomaly, or the norm.

The difference between Obamacosts and 'any large company' is that
a) if the large company screws up enough, it goes out of business.
b) citizens don't have to pay a tax penalty if they don't do business with the large company.


What vompany are you forced to do business with? The entire story exists because there are multiple companies he can choose to do business with.
 
2014-03-21 11:17:20 AM  
Just for the record:

Couldn't get health insurance pre-ACA because of a 'pre-exiting' condition.
Got a really great health insurance policy (with a subsidy) ~ $250 a month.
The insurance policy became effective 1/1/14.
Got approved - by my new insurance company, no problems - for a Bone Marrow Transplant on 1/3/14.
Got a Bone Marrow Transplant on 1/17/14.

I'm home from the hospital and alive. And, yeah, without the ACA I would be going into a slow death spiral now.
 
2014-03-21 11:18:45 AM  
To think, if they really wanted to use Obamacare as a weapon, the Republicans could take the stance of "It's helping a lot of people, but we have ideas on how to help more.  Let's change a few things."

And then, you know, NOT try to gut the damn system.
 
2014-03-21 11:19:18 AM  

BeesNuts: SlothB77: JamesBenjamin: That's not a horror story about Obamacare not working, its a glitch in the system that could be attached to any large company. It definitely sucks and he's going to go through a metric s**t-ton of paperwork to get it fixed, but he's not going to have to pay those bills.

Considering the various website issues at and after launch, let's see if this 'glitch' ends up being an anomaly, or the norm.

The difference between Obamacosts and 'any large company' is that
a) if the large company screws up enough, it goes out of business.
b) citizens don't have to pay a tax penalty if they don't do business with the large company.

Look at the guy who has no idea what ACA did.  Look at him and laugh.


I'm too busy laughing at the idea that if a large company screws up enough it goes out of business. That's why BoA, Comcast, BP, Exxon, Moody's, S&P, etc. have all gone out of business.
 
2014-03-21 11:19:44 AM  

SlothB77: that's the best horror story i could find.


Not that you asked for my advice, but if that's the best horror story you could find, maybe you should rethink your opposition to Obamacare.
 
2014-03-21 11:20:20 AM  

RyogaM: Basich's predicament went critical on Dec. 31, when he had a heart attack. His treatment, which included a triple bypass on Jan. 3, resulted in $407,000 in medical bills in January and February that no insurer is covering.

Under the old system, that little cardiac event would have made it impossible for him to ever get insurance for the rest of his life.  He's lucky Obamacare exists, even with the glitches.


Plus he can get  insurance at a non jacked up price if it is available. Under the old system unless his state has a high risk pool that he would be eligible for, his option would be to go in a corner and die quietly. Further, under the old system, even if he could get insurance and could afford it the insurance company could put a lifetime cap on benefits where one more episode might well take him over the lifetime cap. But then can Sloth or the Koch brothers tell me that the prior system was better with a straight face?
 
2014-03-21 11:20:30 AM  

zetar: Just for the record:

Couldn't get health insurance pre-ACA because of a 'pre-exiting' condition.
Got a really great health insurance policy (with a subsidy) ~ $250 a month.
The insurance policy became effective 1/1/14.
Got approved - by my new insurance company, no problems - for a Bone Marrow Transplant on 1/3/14.
Got a Bone Marrow Transplant on 1/17/14.

I'm home from the hospital and alive. And, yeah, without the ACA I would be going into a slow death spiral now.

s3.amazonaws.com
 
2014-03-21 11:21:47 AM  

GardenWeasel: So Xerox f*cked up AT THE STATE LEVEL and that's the ACA's fault?


no, stupid lib

it's obama's fault
 
2014-03-21 11:21:48 AM  

zetar: Just for the record:

Couldn't get health insurance pre-ACA because of a 'pre-exiting' condition.
Got a really great health insurance policy (with a subsidy) ~ $250 a month.
The insurance policy became effective 1/1/14.
Got approved - by my new insurance company, no problems - for a Bone Marrow Transplant on 1/3/14.
Got a Bone Marrow Transplant on 1/17/14.

I'm home from the hospital and alive. And, yeah, without the ACA I would be going into a slow death spiral now.


Best of luck on the recovery.
 
2014-03-21 11:22:47 AM  
You can tell that the GOP knows their anti-obamacare rhetoric is failing and that they are going to have to switch tactics. We can see the first cracks in the facade by how instead of banging their chests and proclaiming how they've tried to repeal Obamacare 50+ times, they now have changed their tune and instead say "well, we didn't really vote to repeal it 50 times, it was only 6 and all those other times we were just trying to improve it, really, scout's honor!".

The GOP is already backing away from not only the idea of repeal, but even the idea that they have repeatedly try to repeal it.
 
2014-03-21 11:24:56 AM  

zetar: Just for the record:

Couldn't get health insurance pre-ACA because of a 'pre-exiting' condition.
Got a really great health insurance policy (with a subsidy) ~ $250 a month.
The insurance policy became effective 1/1/14.
Got approved - by my new insurance company, no problems - for a Bone Marrow Transplant on 1/3/14.
Got a Bone Marrow Transplant on 1/17/14.

I'm home from the hospital and alive. And, yeah, without the ACA I would be going into a slow death spiral now.


When does the Death Panel have your scheduled for euthanasia?
 
2014-03-21 11:27:49 AM  

Thrag: You can tell that the GOP knows their anti-obamacare rhetoric is failing and that they are going to have to switch tactics. We can see the first cracks in the facade by how instead of banging their chests and proclaiming how they've tried to repeal Obamacare 50+ times, they now have changed their tune and instead say "well, we didn't really vote to repeal it 50 times, it was only 6 and all those other times we were just trying to improve it, really, scout's honor!".

The GOP is already backing away from not only the idea of repeal, but even the idea that they have repeatedly try to repeal it.


That's a necessary and prerequisite step to their eventual conclusion: "If you look back 50 years, you can clearly see that more Republicans supported the PPACA than did democrats."

Unfortunately for them, they're already permanently relabeled the PPACA as Obamacare.
I'm sure they're very thankful now that they didn't try to rename the Civil Rights Act of 1964 as "LBJrights" and social security as "FDRmoney".
 
2014-03-21 11:28:33 AM  

aintnuttintofarkwith: So, did these ads make it on air? Or were they prevented from it because they were false? Sorry, I don't have TV and am unaware of the relevant broadcast laws


Yes, they have been broadcast. The ad in the article is airing in North Carolina (albeit against Sen. Hagan instead).

You are allowed to broadcast heavily distorted truths on TV like that. It's not libel or slander because they aren't saying "Sen. Democrat killed your grandma" just that "Sen. Democrat voted for Obamacare and we say that Obamacare is evil" and let the viewer make the association.
 
2014-03-21 11:29:14 AM  

sdd2000: zetar: Just for the record:

Couldn't get health insurance pre-ACA because of a 'pre-exiting' condition.
Got a really great health insurance policy (with a subsidy) ~ $250 a month.
The insurance policy became effective 1/1/14.
Got approved - by my new insurance company, no problems - for a Bone Marrow Transplant on 1/3/14.
Got a Bone Marrow Transplant on 1/17/14.

I'm home from the hospital and alive. And, yeah, without the ACA I would be going into a slow death spiral now.

Best of luck on the recovery.


Thanks. Doing really good (all things considered).

I've got (had, I should be 'cured' post transplant and another round of chemo) AL Amyloidosis (I'll wait while you Google it). 8,000,000 : 1 shot. 100% fatal.

Literally, the ACA saved my ass.

The last day I could physically teach was 12/17/13 (I made it to finals!).

The director of the Bone Marrow Transplant Center told me last week that I would have probably lingered on for the rest of 2014 before my heart, lungs and kidneys gave out towards the end of the year. Not a real pleasant death, either. It felt like drowning in a sponge. I guess you had to have been there.
 
2014-03-21 11:31:45 AM  

zetar: Just for the record:

Couldn't get health insurance pre-ACA because of a 'pre-exiting' condition.
Got a really great health insurance policy (with a subsidy) ~ $250 a month.
The insurance policy became effective 1/1/14.
Got approved - by my new insurance company, no problems - for a Bone Marrow Transplant on 1/3/14.
Got a Bone Marrow Transplant on 1/17/14.

I'm home from the hospital and alive. And, yeah, without the ACA I would be going into a slow death spiral now.


another obamacare horror story

more like

obamdoesnotcare
 
2014-03-21 11:34:51 AM  

serpent_sky: Meanwhile, we have this asshole, David Vitter over here:
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/david-vitter-god-bless-the-k oc h-brothers


Its going to be so awesome when the derptards elect this family values man as governor.
 
2014-03-21 11:35:23 AM  

SlothB77: Here's a real Obamacare horror story.

Basich, 62, bought a plan through the state's Nevada Health Link insurance exchange in the fall ...


Individual horror stories exist, as do individual success stories.

My question to you is what is more important, that the system be flawless or that the successes outnumber the horrors?
 
2014-03-21 11:39:11 AM  

SlothB77: welcome to working with the government. It wasn't just a glitch. It was a sea of glitches


img.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-21 11:40:35 AM  

Karac: The last part to the listeners isn't an exact quote, merely what he was trying to express by his tone. And I'm not sure on what the recording was saying.

But the part about repeatedly asking an obvious recording what is its name is - that's a direct quote.


I'm hoping, HOPING he was just trying to be "funny" and that he didn't believe his listeners were actually stupid enough to believe that this was a legitimate line of questioning.

Because even though I know his listeners are idiots, there's only a certain level of stupidity I can mentally tolerate.
 
2014-03-21 11:42:38 AM  
There are legitimate arguments against Obamacare, but the GOP couldn't find them with a roadmap.  Stupidest party ever.
 
2014-03-21 11:53:14 AM  

The Goddamn Batman: SlothB77: that's the best horror story i could find.

We know. Bless your heart.


And Sloth:
Doesn't that tell you something?  The BEST horror story you found was one that's not even that horrible?  That the end resolution is that, after a few months of annoyance, one of the insurance companies is going to pay for it anyways?  That PRE-Obamacare this guy would be liable for ALL OF IT?

Doesn't that tell you something about how horrible Obamacare is?

zetar: Just for the record:

Couldn't get health insurance pre-ACA because of a 'pre-exiting' condition.
Got a really great health insurance policy (with a subsidy) ~ $250 a month.
The insurance policy became effective 1/1/14.
Got approved - by my new insurance company, no problems - for a Bone Marrow Transplant on 1/3/14.
Got a Bone Marrow Transplant on 1/17/14.

I'm home from the hospital and alive. And, yeah, without the ACA I would be going into a slow death spiral now.


And will you ever vote for a Republican candidate again, at in level, state or federal, again in your life?

Ever?
 
2014-03-21 11:54:27 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Karac: The last part to the listeners isn't an exact quote, merely what he was trying to express by his tone. And I'm not sure on what the recording was saying.

But the part about repeatedly asking an obvious recording what is its name is - that's a direct quote.

I'm hoping, HOPING he was just trying to be "funny" and that he didn't believe his listeners were actually stupid enough to believe that this was a legitimate line of questioning.

Because even though I know his listeners are idiots, there's only a certain level of stupidity I can mentally tolerate.


Listen for yourself.  And while I can't speak for the listeners, Sean certainly seemed to expect a serious answer when he asked someone saying 'para espanol press-o uno' what their name was..
 
2014-03-21 11:54:32 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: SlothB77: welcome to working with the government. It wasn't just a glitch. It was a sea of glitches

[img.photobucket.com image 800x533]


That's how Republicans see government, and surprisingly people elect them to run it!
 
2014-03-21 12:00:31 PM  

zetar: sdd2000: zetar: Just for the record:

Couldn't get health insurance pre-ACA because of a 'pre-exiting' condition.
Got a really great health insurance policy (with a subsidy) ~ $250 a month.
The insurance policy became effective 1/1/14.
Got approved - by my new insurance company, no problems - for a Bone Marrow Transplant on 1/3/14.
Got a Bone Marrow Transplant on 1/17/14.

I'm home from the hospital and alive. And, yeah, without the ACA I would be going into a slow death spiral now.

Best of luck on the recovery.

Thanks. Doing really good (all things considered).

I've got (had, I should be 'cured' post transplant and another round of chemo) AL Amyloidosis (I'll wait while you Google it). 8,000,000 : 1 shot. 100% fatal.

Literally, the ACA saved my ass.

The last day I could physically teach was 12/17/13 (I made it to finals!).

The director of the Bone Marrow Transplant Center told me last week that I would have probably lingered on for the rest of 2014 before my heart, lungs and kidneys gave out towards the end of the year. Not a real pleasant death, either. It felt like drowning in a sponge. I guess you had to have been there.


Glad you made it.
 
2014-03-21 12:02:10 PM  
Just to remind everyone here arguing with Sloth.

Sloth is a devoted follower of Ayn Rand and her beliefs. He thinks they are "fun".
 
2014-03-21 12:04:58 PM  

SlothB77: JamesBenjamin: That's not a horror story about Obamacare not working, its a glitch in the system that could be attached to any large company. It definitely sucks and he's going to go through a metric s**t-ton of paperwork to get it fixed, but he's not going to have to pay those bills.

Considering the various website issues at and after launch, let's see if this 'glitch' ends up being an anomaly, or the norm.

The difference between Obamacosts and 'any large company' is that
a) if the large company screws up enough, it goes out of business.
b) citizens don't have to pay a tax penalty if they don't do business with the large company.


Insurance companies trying to get out of paying claims and screwing people over is SOP for goodness sakes!
 
2014-03-21 12:06:32 PM  
I've noticed they've changed the cancer patient ad in MI since word got out it was mostly full of shait.

The new add now laments about how the Democratic senator was attacking her (for lying on a tv ad) and now instead of "Obamacare is killing me" she just now says she liked her old plan better and shouldn't have been forced to changed, because the truth was her Obamacare plan was cheaper over the course of a year but her monthly out-of-pocket was no longer a fixed amount.
Oh and the new ad also has more dramatic music then before.
 
2014-03-21 12:08:36 PM  

zetar: sdd2000: zetar: Just for the record:

Couldn't get health insurance pre-ACA because of a 'pre-exiting' condition.
Got a really great health insurance policy (with a subsidy) ~ $250 a month.
The insurance policy became effective 1/1/14.
Got approved - by my new insurance company, no problems - for a Bone Marrow Transplant on 1/3/14.
Got a Bone Marrow Transplant on 1/17/14.

I'm home from the hospital and alive. And, yeah, without the ACA I would be going into a slow death spiral now.

Best of luck on the recovery.

Thanks. Doing really good (all things considered).

I've got (had, I should be 'cured' post transplant and another round of chemo) AL Amyloidosis (I'll wait while you Google it). 8,000,000 : 1 shot. 100% fatal.

Literally, the ACA saved my ass.

The last day I could physically teach was 12/17/13 (I made it to finals!).

The director of the Bone Marrow Transplant Center told me last week that I would have probably lingered on for the rest of 2014 before my heart, lungs and kidneys gave out towards the end of the year. Not a real pleasant death, either. It felt like drowning in a sponge. I guess you had to have been there.


Best of luck for a full and speedy recovery!
 
2014-03-21 12:17:04 PM  
Americans for Prosperity Now Going After Democratic Governors

"It's a sign that despite the Washington magnifying glass on AFP's federally focused spending so far, state politics will be another priority for the group in 2014."
 
2014-03-21 12:17:39 PM  

Hobodeluxe: Americans For Propaganda

Why do they want Americans to die?


they only want the right kind of Americans to live.  the ones with money.
 
2014-03-21 12:18:13 PM  
Obama said I could keep my doctor too, and so I have.... just have to buy another freezer...
 
2014-03-21 12:24:29 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: And will you ever vote for a Republican candidate again, at in level, state or federal, again in your life?

Ever?


Not unless I was feeling suicidal.
 
2014-03-21 12:34:40 PM  

zetar: Satanic_Hamster: And will you ever vote for a Republican candidate again, at in level, state or federal, again in your life?

Ever?

Not unless I was feeling suicidal.


If you wanna go out like a bumble bee, stick to tradition and just go for Police Assisted Suicide.  Much less damaging to society than voting for the GOP.
 
2014-03-21 12:42:24 PM  

James!: sprawl15: James!: Who is responsible for the Nevada exchange?

stone cold steve austin

Which is actually fortunate since he's a well respected Oncologist.  A lot of people don't know that.

The world's first bionic wrestler of cancer cells?
 
2014-03-21 12:45:27 PM  
Hey, Farkers:

Thanks for all the 'get well' wishes.

I'm doing really well. Yeah, I have no immune system; but I write code from home, so it ain't too bad. A year from now... it'll just be a bad memory.
I'm really weak (a month in a hospital will do that to you).
I had some 'near death' experiences in the hospital (yeah, there were some screw-ups), but the Bone Marrow transplant did save my life.

All in all: worst vacation ever. Would not recommend this travel agency.
 
2014-03-21 12:50:37 PM  

zetar: Just for the record:

Couldn't get health insurance pre-ACA because of a 'pre-exiting' condition.
Got a really great health insurance policy (with a subsidy) ~ $250 a month.
The insurance policy became effective 1/1/14.
Got approved - by my new insurance company, no problems - for a Bone Marrow Transplant on 1/3/14.
Got a Bone Marrow Transplant on 1/17/14.

I'm home from the hospital and alive. And, yeah, without the ACA I would be going into a slow death spiral now.


Yeah but you're probably one of "those*" people trying to game the system because of soshulizm and inner-city-ness and Obamaz.
/good on ya, recover soon
 
2014-03-21 01:04:38 PM  

zetar: sdd2000: zetar: Just for the record:

Couldn't get health insurance pre-ACA because of a 'pre-exiting' condition.
Got a really great health insurance policy (with a subsidy) ~ $250 a month.
The insurance policy became effective 1/1/14.
Got approved - by my new insurance company, no problems - for a Bone Marrow Transplant on 1/3/14.
Got a Bone Marrow Transplant on 1/17/14.

I'm home from the hospital and alive. And, yeah, without the ACA I would be going into a slow death spiral now.

Best of luck on the recovery.

Thanks. Doing really good (all things considered).

I've got (had, I should be 'cured' post transplant and another round of chemo) AL Amyloidosis (I'll wait while you Google it). 8,000,000 : 1 shot. 100% fatal.

Literally, the ACA saved my ass.

The last day I could physically teach was 12/17/13 (I made it to finals!).

The director of the Bone Marrow Transplant Center told me last week that I would have probably lingered on for the rest of 2014 before my heart, lungs and kidneys gave out towards the end of the year. Not a real pleasant death, either. It felt like drowning in a sponge. I guess you had to have been there.


Why do you have America?

/congrats
 
2014-03-21 01:20:08 PM  

BMulligan: SlothB77: Here's a real Obamacare horror story.

Basich, 62, bought a plan through the state's Nevada Health Link insurance exchange in the fall. He's been paying monthly premiums since November.
Yet the Las Vegan is stranded in a no-man's-land where no carrier claims him, and his tab is mounting: Basich owes $407,000 for care received in January and February, when his policy was supposed to be in effect. Instead, he's covered only for March and beyond.
Basich said he began trying to enroll on Oct. 1, the day the exchange website went live. Like many consumers, he fought technical flaws during multiple sign-up attempts. In mid-November he finally got through and chose his plan: UnitedHealthcare's MyHPNSilver1.
"It was like reaching the third level of Doom," Basich said of the torturous sign-up process.
Basich paid his first premium on Nov. 21, and within days the exchange withdrew the $160.77 payment from his money-market savings account. Because Basich paid a month before the Dec. 23 deadline, his coverage was to begin Jan. 1.
Weeks ticked by, but Basich received nothing to confirm he had insurance. Nevada Health Link kept telling him he was enrolled, but UnitedHealthcare said he wasn't in their system.
Basich's predicament went critical on Dec. 31, when he had a heart attack. His treatment, which included a triple bypass on Jan. 3, resulted in $407,000 in medical bills in January and February that no insurer is covering.
Basich and his insurance broker, Tamar Burch of Branch Benefits Consultants, said the issue appears to be confusion at the state exchange. Xerox's system says Basich chose a plan from another insurer, Nevada Health CO-OP, even though Basich has paperwork that shows he selected MyHPNSilver1. In short, Xerox can't seem to decide where Basich belongs, Burch said.
So the exchange is trying to compromise, putting Basich with Nevada Health CO-OP for January and February, when he incurred his bills, and with UnitedHealthcare from this month on. But CO-OP ...


Yep, a pain in the ass but far from a "horror story".

News 3 received a statement from Xerox spokesperson Jennifer Wasmer.
The statement reads: "Mr. Basich's issue is complex, and we're working on it every day. We are in touch with Mr. Basich, his broker, the carriers, Silver State Health Insurance Exchange leadership, and the Division of Insurance to sort it out.. we'll continue to keep the goal of resolving Mr. Basich's issue front and center."


If Obamacare is so bad why do right wing shills on the internet have to distort facts?
 
2014-03-21 01:56:18 PM  

Karac: Dansker: Can we please not abbreviate Americans For Prosperity?
On a news media oriented site AFP should be reserved for the French press agency.

It could be worse.  Go look at the picture fark uses for links to the Detroit Free Press.


Um, that's the logo of the Detroit Free Press; what else should Fark use?

FYI, the Free Press has been known among Detroiters as "the Freep" for decades; freep.com was a thing well before "Free Republic" opened its doors.
 
2014-03-21 02:11:10 PM  

zetar: Satanic_Hamster: And will you ever vote for a Republican candidate again, at in level, state or federal, again in your life?

Ever?

Not unless I was feeling suicidal.


And this, Sloth and other right wingers, this what has gotten the Republican party so scared.  This is the cost of your blind opposition to Obamacare, a Republican idea to start with.  A single issue that will be costing votes for life.

FOR NO REASON.  You dipshiats did this to yourself.  shiat, you could have taken credit for it because IT WAS YOUR PARTY'S IDEA.
 
2014-03-21 02:45:08 PM  

zetar: Just for the record:

Couldn't get health insurance pre-ACA because of a 'pre-exiting' condition.
Got a really great health insurance policy (with a subsidy) ~ $250 a month.
The insurance policy became effective 1/1/14.
Got approved - by my new insurance company, no problems - for a Bone Marrow Transplant on 1/3/14.
Got a Bone Marrow Transplant on 1/17/14.

I'm home from the hospital and alive. And, yeah, without the ACA I would be going into a slow death spiral now.


Why do you hate freedom?
 
2014-03-21 03:35:12 PM  
Real Americans?

WE THE PEOPLE!
jrarts1.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-03-21 05:08:15 PM  

SlothB77: JamesBenjamin: That's not a horror story about Obamacare not working, its a glitch in the system that could be attached to any large company. It definitely sucks and he's going to go through a metric s**t-ton of paperwork to get it fixed, but he's not going to have to pay those bills.

Considering the various website issues at and after launch, let's see if this 'glitch' ends up being an anomaly, or the norm.

The difference between Obamacosts and 'any large company' is that
a) if the large company screws up enough, it goes out of business.
b) citizens don't have to pay a tax penalty if they don't do business with the large company.


You do realize, it is a large company that is A) running the website (Xerox) and B) issuing the insurance (United Health Care).
 
2014-03-21 05:19:45 PM  
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2014-03-21 07:02:19 PM  

All2morrowsparTs: SlothB77: JamesBenjamin: That's not a horror story about Obamacare not working, its a glitch in the system that could be attached to any large company. It definitely sucks and he's going to go through a metric s**t-ton of paperwork to get it fixed, but he's not going to have to pay those bills.

Considering the various website issues at and after launch, let's see if this 'glitch' ends up being an anomaly, or the norm.

The difference between Obamacosts and 'any large company' is that
a) if the large company screws up enough, it goes out of business.
b) citizens don't have to pay a tax penalty if they don't do business with the large company.

You do realize, it is a large company that is A) running the website (Xerox) and B) issuing the insurance (United Health Care).


Its why I just remortgaged my house to fully leverage my position in shorting both.  I have it on good Internet authority that big companies that screw up go out of business.
 
2014-03-21 08:47:50 PM  
The difference between Obamacosts and 'any large company' is that
a) if the large company screws up enough, it goes out of business.
b) citizens don't have to pay a tax penalty if they don't do business with the large company.



Or just passes the cost onto customers (Duke Energy), and keep right on farkin' that chicken
 
2014-03-22 01:22:45 AM  
They said if I liked my doctor, I could keep him, and now I'm in prison for kidnapping. Thanks Obama!
 
2014-03-22 03:18:12 AM  
"But the ads keep falling flat upon examination of their claims."
-=-
The problem is, no one of the Fox News generation examines any such claims. They just buy it like Glen Beck's Goldline.
 
2014-03-22 11:27:31 AM  

somedude210: FlashHarry: why can't they find one single obamacare "horror story" that's actually true?

because if there is a true "horror story", it's something like "OMG, I HAD TO WAIT 5 MORE MINUTES!!!" or something insanely trivial like that


Well. My healthcare has become significantly more expensive.
 
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