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2014-03-21 08:47:12 AM  

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"Schrodinger's Cat."

 
2014-03-21 08:55:19 AM  
Yeah, at this point in 2006 she had the nomination wrapped up and there was no way anyone could emerge from the Democratic field to challenge her too.
 
2014-03-21 09:04:21 AM  
I say she's not running, but letting the Republicans gear up to attack her and only her, only to be taken by surprise when the real candidate emerges. It happened in 2008 and we all know Republicans don't really learn from their mistakes.
 
2014-03-21 09:39:00 AM  
Not that the nominations are still more than two years from now or anything like that...
 
2014-03-21 09:40:04 AM  

serpent_sky: I say she's not running, but letting the Republicans gear up to attack her and only her, only to be taken by surprise when the real candidate emerges. It happened in 2008 and we all know Republicans don't really learn from their mistakes.


Agreed. I do't think she's up for it but she's perfectly willing to do the work to pull off this ruse.

Absent more than one democratic target, the GOP will eat its own again and produce another far right nutjob for a least one spot on the ticket. Sure fire independent voter bait there.
 
2014-03-21 09:40:57 AM  
Tiger Beat DC.
 
2014-03-21 09:43:41 AM  

jake_lex: Yeah, at this point in 2006 she had the nomination wrapped up and there was no way anyone could emerge from the Democratic field to challenge her too.


Given recent history (and the current occupant of the White House), I'm amazed by the number of people who just assume that Hillary is going to run and be the next president.
 
2014-03-21 09:45:48 AM  
WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?!?
 
2014-03-21 09:51:32 AM  

pootsie: Not that the nominations are still more than two years from now or anything like that...


Plus she saw what happened to Palin in 2011 - the minute she announced she wasn't running the press abandoned her.  Palin pops up now and then, but not considered any part of political discourse outside of some fringe conservative groups.
 
2014-03-21 09:51:57 AM  
Betteridge's Law says no...
 
2014-03-21 09:52:37 AM  
I dont see anyone on the bench that could do it as well as Hillary can

(and before someone brings up '08 by then Obama had already given a key note speech and at least had some national recognition)

She is gonna run.
 
2014-03-21 09:53:16 AM  
She may run but I agree that her plan at this time is to protect any Democratic candidates from attacks and let the Republicans continue to beat themselves up.

By the time she or any other Democratic candidates make announcements, the Republicans will have walked themselves even further right or poisoned each other in some other way.
 
2014-03-21 09:54:23 AM  
Shielding them? All any of them need to do is replay a speech from any given -R candidate. Ever.
 
2014-03-21 09:54:25 AM  

serpent_sky: I say she's not running, but letting the Republicans gear up to attack her and only her, only to be taken by surprise when the real candidate emerges. It happened in 2008 and we all know Republicans don't really learn from their mistakes.


This sounds WAY too ingenious for the Democratic Party.
 
2014-03-21 09:55:41 AM  

edmo: serpent_sky: I say she's not running, but letting the Republicans gear up to attack her and only her, only to be taken by surprise when the real candidate emerges. It happened in 2008 and we all know Republicans don't really learn from their mistakes.

Agreed. I do't think she's up for it but she's perfectly willing to do the work to pull off this ruse.

Absent more than one democratic target, the GOP will eat its own again and produce another far right nutjob for a least one spot on the ticket. Sure fire independent voter bait there.



remember how the GOP complained that attacking the person rather than their policies was not fair and misogynist?
 
2014-03-21 09:59:01 AM  
Or could it be that Presidential candidates shouldn't have to declare their intent to run more than 2.5 years out from the damn election in order to be competitive?   Even in our current trend of loooooong presidential campaign cycles, MARCH of the mid-term year is still early.
 
2014-03-21 09:59:17 AM  

lilbjorn: serpent_sky: I say she's not running, but letting the Republicans gear up to attack her and only her, only to be taken by surprise when the real candidate emerges. It happened in 2008 and we all know Republicans don't really learn from their mistakes.

This sounds WAY too ingenious for the Democratic Party.


It probably is. I don't think politicians on either side think or plan that far ahead. Only on TV.

Hillary is not going to run for president, but she doesn't want to say so now. She may even want in on the primaries. Likely she wants donations, speaking fees, and book deals. So she wants as much attention as she can get for as long as she can manage it, before bowing out of the primaries in a couple of years.
 
2014-03-21 10:02:09 AM  

lilbjorn: serpent_sky: I say she's not running, but letting the Republicans gear up to attack her and only her, only to be taken by surprise when the real candidate emerges. It happened in 2008 and we all know Republicans don't really learn from their mistakes.

This sounds WAY too ingenious for the Democratic Party.


not really

they did the same thing in 2012 and it worked just as well
 
2014-03-21 10:02:24 AM  

syberpud: pootsie: Not that the nominations are still more than two years from now or anything like that...

Plus she saw what happened to Palin in 2011 - the minute she announced she wasn't running the press abandoned her.  Palin pops up now and then, but not considered any part of political discourse outside of some fringe conservative groups.


Hillary is no Palin. For many, many reasons, beginning with "she's already been in the public eye for 20ish years longer".
 
2014-03-21 10:05:05 AM  

lilbjorn: serpent_sky: I say she's not running, but letting the Republicans gear up to attack her and only her, only to be taken by surprise when the real candidate emerges. It happened in 2008 and we all know Republicans don't really learn from their mistakes.

This sounds WAY too ingenious for the Democratic Party.


To be fair, Hillary isn't much of a Democrat. I think she's more than evil and foresighted enough to do just that. I only hope anyone who donates to her is okay with those contributions being transferred to the actual nominee when the time comes.
 
2014-03-21 10:05:21 AM  

Lord_Baull: Shielding them? All any of them need to do is replay a speech from any given -R candidate. Ever.


More of a "let the Republicans tire themselves out spending all this time, energy and money trying to destroy Hillary, only to have her decide not to run anyway"

Are there any young Democrats that would be interested in running? Deval Patrick in MA is contemplating either a 2016 or 2020 run and Obama is encouraging him to go at it in 2016
 
2014-03-21 10:08:01 AM  
The primary is 2 years away. No one should be running yet.
 
2014-03-21 10:08:26 AM  

edmo: Agreed. I do't think she's up for it but she's perfectly willing to do the work to pull off this ruse.


Exactly. She's having fun with it, it seems. Sure, let them all think I'm running, let them plan all their attacks, keep yelling about Beghazi - and then we'll see who really runs. Its a genius strategy.
 
2014-03-21 10:11:15 AM  
She's not running unless you beg. BEG HARDER!
 
2014-03-21 10:11:19 AM  

somedude210: Are there any young Democrats that would be interested in running?


*raises hand*

As a bonus, I turn 35 about 2 weeks before Election Day 2016, meaning I'd have a pretty unbreakable record for "Youngest President" (if I won).

// but I don't have the funds to mount a run
// I barely have the funds to mount a willing human female
 
2014-03-21 10:14:32 AM  

Dr Dreidel: somedude210: Are there any young Democrats that would be interested in running?

*raises hand*

As a bonus, I turn 35 about 2 weeks before Election Day 2016, meaning I'd have a pretty unbreakable record for "Youngest President" (if I won).

// but I don't have the funds to mount a run
// I barely have the funds to mount a willing human female


*signs up for Dr. Dreidel Presidential campaign*

I get Chief of Staff position though
 
2014-03-21 10:14:53 AM  
Formal announcements for Presidential runs will come roughly 1 year from now.

/Short Attention span theater
 
2014-03-21 10:15:32 AM  

Dr Dreidel: somedude210: Are there any young Democrats that would be interested in running?

*raises hand*

As a bonus, I turn 35 about 2 weeks before Election Day 2016, meaning I'd have a pretty unbreakable record for "Youngest President" (if I won).

// but I don't have the funds to mount a run
// I barely have the funds to mount a willing human female


Making an effort toward the first goal would, presumably, make the second considerably easier.  However, announcing intentions toward the second won't do you any favors regarding the first.
 
2014-03-21 10:18:34 AM  

somedude210: Dr Dreidel: somedude210: Are there any young Democrats that would be interested in running?

*raises hand*

As a bonus, I turn 35 about 2 weeks before Election Day 2016, meaning I'd have a pretty unbreakable record for "Youngest President" (if I won).

// but I don't have the funds to mount a run
// I barely have the funds to mount a willing human female

*signs up for Dr. Dreidel Presidential campaign*

I get Chief of Staff position though



Can I be Secretary of Partying Down?
 
2014-03-21 10:19:00 AM  
It is illogical for anybody to formally announce they are running for President prior to the midterms.  Get back to us in a year.  If she hasn't announced by a year from now, we can have a discussion on double rainbow what does it mean.  Until then, kindly STFU.
 
2014-03-21 10:20:18 AM  
Other than the fact that she's stated several times that she isn't going to run, but whatever.
 
2014-03-21 10:21:58 AM  

somedude210: Dr Dreidel: somedude210: Are there any young Democrats that would be interested in running?

*raises hand*

As a bonus, I turn 35 about 2 weeks before Election Day 2016, meaning I'd have a pretty unbreakable record for "Youngest President" (if I won).

// but I don't have the funds to mount a run
// I barely have the funds to mount a willing human female

*signs up for Dr. Dreidel Presidential campaign*

I get Chief of Staff position though



Sorry, that position is taken by Mandingo.
 
2014-03-21 10:22:10 AM  

Lord_Baull: somedude210: Dr Dreidel: somedude210: Are there any young Democrats that would be interested in running?

*raises hand*

As a bonus, I turn 35 about 2 weeks before Election Day 2016, meaning I'd have a pretty unbreakable record for "Youngest President" (if I won).

// but I don't have the funds to mount a run
// I barely have the funds to mount a willing human female

*signs up for Dr. Dreidel Presidential campaign*

I get Chief of Staff position though


Can I be Secretary of Partying Down?


Party Czarty (aka Funkapprentice Flex). You'll need Senate confirmation of your boogie-down attitude, and you must swear to uphold the Constitution of One Nation Under a Groove.
 
2014-03-21 10:22:47 AM  
The Clintons have always been shy about their political ambitions, so this is no surprise.
 
2014-03-21 10:26:17 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Lord_Baull: somedude210: Dr Dreidel: somedude210: Are there any young Democrats that would be interested in running?

*raises hand*

As a bonus, I turn 35 about 2 weeks before Election Day 2016, meaning I'd have a pretty unbreakable record for "Youngest President" (if I won).

// but I don't have the funds to mount a run
// I barely have the funds to mount a willing human female

*signs up for Dr. Dreidel Presidential campaign*

I get Chief of Staff position though


Can I be Secretary of Partying Down?

Party Czarty (aka Funkapprentice Flex). You'll need Senate confirmation of your boogie-down attitude, and you must swear to uphold the Constitution of One Nation Under a Groove.



Easily done. I taught KC and the Sunshine Band and Sly and the Family Stone everything they know.
 
2014-03-21 10:26:26 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: jake_lex: Yeah, at this point in 2006 she had the nomination wrapped up and there was no way anyone could emerge from the Democratic field to challenge her too.

Given recent history (and the current occupant of the White House), I'm amazed by the number of people who just assume that Hillary is going to run and be the next president.


Been saying since 2012 that she's not going to run.  Been having doubts recently but I'm still pretty sure I'm going to make 5 dollars sometime between now and 2016.
 
2014-03-21 10:27:37 AM  

somedude210: Dr Dreidel: somedude210: Are there any young Democrats that would be interested in running?

*raises hand*

As a bonus, I turn 35 about 2 weeks before Election Day 2016, meaning I'd have a pretty unbreakable record for "Youngest President" (if I won).

// but I don't have the funds to mount a run
// I barely have the funds to mount a willing human female

*signs up for Dr. Dreidel Presidential campaign*

I get Chief of Staff position though


That position is reserved for the aforementioned willing human female, I think.
 
2014-03-21 10:29:59 AM  

jake_lex: Yeah, at this point in 2006 she had the nomination wrapped up and there was no way anyone could emerge from the Democratic field to challenge her too.


And at this point prior to the 1992 election, we were sure the Democrats weren't going to find anyone capable of running against Bush 41.
 
2014-03-21 10:31:15 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: jake_lex: Yeah, at this point in 2006 she had the nomination wrapped up and there was no way anyone could emerge from the Democratic field to challenge her too.

Given recent history (and the current occupant of the White House), I'm amazed by the number of people who just assume that Hillary is going to run and be the next president.


Thing is, there's not an Obama-like stalking horse this time, as far as I can tell.  Her Iraq war vote in the Senate is also now a distant memory (which was one of the main reasons Obama got traction early on).  Her service as Secretary of State was nearly universally praised (she was much better than John Farking Kerry, at a bare minimum).  She also learned from her mistakes in her run against Obama.

If she wants the nomination, it's hers, IMHO.  I can't see her turning down the opporunity to run.  I also can't see the Republicans nominating a non-derpy candidate.  The logical conclusion of those three sentences is that she will be the next President of the United States.
 
2014-03-21 10:34:53 AM  
Here are several more likely candidates for 2016.

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2014-03-21 10:35:24 AM  

BeesNuts: That position is reserved for the aforementioned willing human female, I think.


no, that's the first lady position
 
2014-03-21 10:37:52 AM  

James!: Here are several more likely candidates for 2016.

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I think there's a repeat in there :P

/what about Tammy Baldwin? (the war vet from....Minnesota?) or Debbie Wasserman-Schultz?
 
2014-03-21 10:41:06 AM  

somedude210: BeesNuts: That position is reserved for the aforementioned willing human female, I think.

no, that's the first lady position


And second. And third.

// bazinga!
 
2014-03-21 10:42:16 AM  

Dr Dreidel: somedude210: BeesNuts: That position is reserved for the aforementioned willing human female, I think.

no, that's the first lady position

And second. And third.

// bazinga!


ah, I see you're going with the "Clinton" suite, this evening. Shall I drop the stripper poles, sir?
 
2014-03-21 10:42:44 AM  

somedude210: James!: Here are several more likely candidates for 2016.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x312] [upload.wikimedia.org image 220x308] [upload.wikimedia.org image 220x308] [upload.wikimedia.org image 220x331][upload.wikimedia.org image 220x337][upload.wikimedia.org image 220x279] [img2-3.timeinc.net image 300x400]

I think there's a repeat in there :P

/what about Tammy Baldwin? (the war vet from....Minnesota?) or Debbie Wasserman-Schultz?


No on Wasserman-Schultz, simply because congress critters don't get elevated directly to the Presidency
 
2014-03-21 10:43:03 AM  

somedude210: James!: Here are several more likely candidates for 2016.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x312] [upload.wikimedia.org image 220x308] [upload.wikimedia.org image 220x308] [upload.wikimedia.org image 220x331][upload.wikimedia.org image 220x337][upload.wikimedia.org image 220x279] [img2-3.timeinc.net image 300x400]

I think there's a repeat in there :P

/what about Tammy Baldwin? (the war vet from....Minnesota?) or Debbie Wasserman-Schultz?


Twins actually, Julian and Joaquin Castro.  I imagine they'd leg wrestle for VP.

And Tammy is middle bottom.  Wasserman is an idiot.
 
2014-03-21 10:43:07 AM  
I'm probably going to end up voting for the Green Party candidate anyway, like I did in 2012.
 
2014-03-21 10:43:09 AM  

Dr Dreidel: syberpud: pootsie: Not that the nominations are still more than two years from now or anything like that...

Plus she saw what happened to Palin in 2011 - the minute she announced she wasn't running the press abandoned her.  Palin pops up now and then, but not considered any part of political discourse outside of some fringe conservative groups.

Hillary is no Palin. For many, many reasons, beginning with "she's already been in the public eye for 20ish years longer".

Hillary is no Palin

...EXACTLY! She has been building to this for more than 20 years, and isn't about to let this one last opportunity slip through her fingers. At first there was just the inkling of a dream to be the first woman POTUS. Then it flowered into a full-fledged campaign that came THIS close to coming true. But when it fell short, instead of "pulling a Palin", Hillary dug in to rebuild her brand, which is why so many more Americans like and respect her than did six years ago.

Moreover, Hillary recognizes as well as anyone the damage pulling out would do to her personal reputation and that doing so would set women back politically for decades to come, not to mention the damage to her lifelong progressive cause. The resulting GOP win would make near-permanent the conservative stamp on the Supreme Court, with the result of codifying draconian restrictions on women's reproductive rights, the disenfranchisement of people of color, women, the young and the elderly, and the wealthy's war on the poor.

There is simply too much at stake for her to say no at this late hour. IMO she has been saving her strength, polishing her lines and building a war chest for the campaign to come. NOT running has never entered her mind.
 
2014-03-21 10:45:46 AM  

bdub77: I'm probably going to end up voting for the Green Party candidate anyway, like I did in 2012.


huzzah for useless gesture to be edgy!
 
2014-03-21 10:46:51 AM  

somedude210: Dr Dreidel: somedude210: BeesNuts: That position is reserved for the aforementioned willing human female, I think.

no, that's the first lady position

And second. And third.

// bazinga!

ah, I see you're going with the "Clinton" suite, this evening. Shall I drop the stripper poles, sir?


First EO - Federal employees can claim up to 3 spouses (provided pre-nups dividing assets among remaining spouses/children in the event of death/separation), but any conviction for spousal abuse gets a minimum 20 years in prison (life for spousal rape or sexual assault), plus asset forfeiture up to 2x poverty line for her and any children, for life.
Second EO - Turn the White House theater into a Gentlemans' Club (or Hen Club, when the President is away - it's like the "Air Force One" designation).
 
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