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2014-03-21 08:45:29 AM
Wow. I'd love to see more of this. I admit that my latin is non existent, however.

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2014-03-21 09:26:49 AM
"Vatican to make its entire library available online. I'll be in my bunk "


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-03-21 09:28:19 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-21 09:29:58 AM
www.cinemablend.com
/Intrigued
 
2014-03-21 09:30:21 AM
Good luck reading Latin; the entire sentence structure is ass-backwards from English. The pictures help, however.
 
2014-03-21 09:33:01 AM
more like lie-brary!...
/yep
 
2014-03-21 09:38:03 AM

iheartscotch: Good luck reading Latin; the entire sentence structure is ass-backwards from English. The pictures help, however.


I took 3 years of Latin, not that it did me any good.  I believe the basic latin sentence structure was subject object verb.
 
2014-03-21 09:38:41 AM
there was a rumor that the vatican had the world's largest stash of pornography, collected for, er, "study." i wonder if they'll post that online.
 
2014-03-21 09:40:44 AM

FlashHarry: there was a rumor that the vatican had the world's largest stash of pornography, collected for, er, "study." i wonder if they'll post that online.


If it is Vatican porn, it probably violates certain laws concerning what may or may not be posted to the internets.
 
2014-03-21 09:40:52 AM

CapnPlaty: iheartscotch: Good luck reading Latin; the entire sentence structure is ass-backwards from English. The pictures help, however.

I took 3 years of Latin, not that it did me any good.  I believe the basic latin sentence structure was subject object verb.


From my 5th grade Latin class...(used to really piss off my teacher when we sang this...

Latin's a dead language,
It's plain enough to see
,
It killed off all the Romans
And now it's killing ME


media.tumblr.com
 
2014-03-21 09:41:15 AM
There's a Boy's Life magazine joke in here somewhere.
 
2014-03-21 09:44:37 AM
Careful, church libraries have been known to be dangerous . . .

www.beautiful-libraries.com
 
2014-03-21 09:51:36 AM

CapnPlaty: iheartscotch: Good luck reading Latin; the entire sentence structure is ass-backwards from English. The pictures help, however.

I took 3 years of Latin, not that it did me any good.  I believe the basic latin sentence structure was subject object verb.


Indeed!

Even simple sentences like " the dog is walking " come out "ambulans canem".
 
2014-03-21 09:56:06 AM
One of the Cooler moments of my life was when I was at the Library of Congress to see a travelling exhibit  of treasurers from the Vatican Library/  I had stopped in front of a particularly large and beautiful hymn book, marveling at how intense the colors were on a 800-year old manuscript when sudden the room was filled with singing voices all around me, signing in a style that seemed to be compatible with the book in front of me (I don't read music and I certainly don't read 800-year old musical notation).  After figuring out I wasn;t hallucinating or having a stroke, I was able to find out what was going on.   It seems that a choir director from some university in St Paul and his choir were visiting DC that day and they'd stopped to see the exhibit.  As it happened, He WAS an expert in medieval musical notation and was able to read the manuscript and translate the music.  So after getting permission from the staff, he assembled his choir on the main floor and gave an impromptu rendition of the piece displayed.

It happened that they had assembled directly under the main dome of the Library building , which, like the capital Rotunda, works like a parabolic dish to amplify and diffuse sound, so standing at the hymnal it sounded like they were literally standing right next to me.

The added AV component made that the highlight of the trip rather than the close runner up, a copy of The Mathematic Treatise believed to have been  written by Ptolemy himself .

The Vatican gots some cool shiat, yo
 
2014-03-21 09:57:04 AM

ChipNASA: CapnPlaty: iheartscotch: Good luck reading Latin; the entire sentence structure is ass-backwards from English. The pictures help, however.

I took 3 years of Latin, not that it did me any good.  I believe the basic latin sentence structure was subject object verb.

From my 5th grade Latin class...(used to really piss off my teacher when we sang this...

Latin's a dead language,
It's plain enough to see,
It killed off all the Romans
And now it's killing ME


My Latin teacher; Sister Mary Claire; didn't stop till we could read, write and sing in Latin. I still sing "Oh, come, let us adore him" in Latin; because, nuns don't die. They just get older and meaner.
 
2014-03-21 09:59:04 AM
i111.photobucket.com

Pope Benedict's copy of Twilight?
 
2014-03-21 10:04:22 AM
Subby likes NAMBLA pamphlets, then?
 
2014-03-21 10:08:33 AM
I wonder what equipment they'll use, as I would believe that some of these documents would not be able to withstand the bright lights used in typical scanning equipment without some damage to the pigments.

I would believe some low light, high ISO type camera being used.... it would be interesting if they were to have someone record this work and make it into a documentary.
 
2014-03-21 10:12:05 AM

Magorn: One of the Cooler moments of my life was when I was at the Library of Congress to see a travelling exhibit  of treasurers from the Vatican Library/  I had stopped in front of a particularly large and beautiful hymn book, marveling at how intense the colors were on a 800-year old manuscript when sudden the room was filled with singing voices all around me, signing in a style that seemed to be compatible with the book in front of me (I don't read music and I certainly don't read 800-year old musical notation).  After figuring out I wasn;t hallucinating or having a stroke, I was able to find out what was going on.   It seems that a choir director from some university in St Paul and his choir were visiting DC that day and they'd stopped to see the exhibit.  As it happened, He WAS an expert in medieval musical notation and was able to read the manuscript and translate the music.  So after getting permission from the staff, he assembled his choir on the main floor and gave an impromptu rendition of the piece displayed.

It happened that they had assembled directly under the main dome of the Library building , which, like the capital Rotunda, works like a parabolic dish to amplify and diffuse sound, so standing at the hymnal it sounded like they were literally standing right next to me.

The added AV component made that the highlight of the trip rather than the close runner up, a copy of The Mathematic Treatise believed to have been  written by Ptolemy himself .

The Vatican gots some cool shiat, yo


Wow, that is really, seriously cool.

I have always said that a week spent browsing the Vatican archives was on my bucket list.  Looks like I may get that chance.
 
2014-03-21 10:17:20 AM
FTA:  "eventually, the library says it hopes to make available online all its 82,000 manuscripts."

While this is cool, "all its manuscripts"  /= "its entire library", subby.

Not by a long shot.
 
2014-03-21 10:27:41 AM
I have days off, I can get food, I think I know what at least a couple days of vacation will be...
 
2014-03-21 10:32:17 AM

CapnPlaty: iheartscotch: Good luck reading Latin; the entire sentence structure is ass-backwards from English. The pictures help, however.

I took 3 years of Latin, not that it did me any good.  I believe the basic latin sentence structure was subject object verb.


It wasn't.  Basic latin syntax doesn't care about order.  Only suffixes.  "Ran truck car into" would be made clear only because car would be the object of a preposition, likely ending in -i, and truck would be the subject, ending in -um.  Ran could go anywhere and in the event of conflicting suffices, like if it were "trucks" plural, therefore ending in -i, you'd only be able to tell which was which because of the conjugation of "ran".  If it's third person singular, you know car was the subject, if it's third person plural, it's the trucks.

Identify and separate the clauses.  Identify the verbs in each clause an their conjugations.  Identify the subjects and objects as well as their types.  Identify the modifiers, what they are modifying.

Basically, it's like diagramming a sentence in reverse.
 
2014-03-21 10:32:47 AM

imfallen_angel: I wonder what equipment they'll use, as I would believe that some of these documents would not be able to withstand the bright lights used in typical scanning equipment without some damage to the pigments.

I would believe some low light, high ISO type camera being used.... it would be interesting if they were to have someone record this work and make it into a documentary.


IIRC IBM and the Vatican started a project like this all the way back in the 90's (which is when I saw the travelling exhibit and read a blurb about the effort) and ye it involved some super high tech (at least for the time ) scanners using non- standard light spectrum and the like.  I think they WERE making it into a documentary at the time.  and Natgeo appears to have done a tv special on it

oh and BTW the page I was looking at in the story above?

it may have been this one:

www.ibiblio.org


as it appears the LOC website  from that exhibit is still active...thanks google!
 
2014-03-21 10:32:58 AM

PunGent: FTA:  "eventually, the library says it hopes to make available online all its 82,000 manuscripts."

While this is cool, "all its manuscripts"  /= "its entire library", subby.

Not by a long shot.


Release the Coptic Gospels.
 
2014-03-21 10:33:59 AM
Does this include all of the UFO and Ancient Aliens texts in the Archivum Secretum?  It's rumored that some have said that it's possible that there could be allegations of a conspiracy that might break down the walls between what "THEY" don't want you to know and what some people have claimed is hidden behind hundreds of years of cover-ups and subterfuge in those archives.  At least that's what I heard on Unsealed: Alien Files.
 
2014-03-21 10:38:34 AM

iheartscotch: CapnPlaty: iheartscotch: Good luck reading Latin; the entire sentence structure is ass-backwards from English. The pictures help, however.

I took 3 years of Latin, not that it did me any good.  I believe the basic latin sentence structure was subject object verb.

Indeed!

Even simple sentences like " the dog is walking " come out "ambulans canem".


If you're reading Cicero maybe.  That guy somehow realized that posterity might appreciate syntactic consistency.

The Eclogues by Virgil are a farking SLOG comparatively.  And I have no damned idea how anybody translated Metamorphoses.  Big brain on that guy, whoever it was.
 
2014-03-21 10:40:40 AM

BeesNuts: and truck would be the subject, ending in -um


Brain fart.  -us.  -um's the direct object, obviously.
 
2014-03-21 10:53:09 AM
That's good news. It's nice to see the Vatican do something news-worthy that isn't also totally despicable.
 
2014-03-21 11:05:39 AM
This way they can have some backups, in case any of their collection gets destroyed by a cattle stampede.
 
2014-03-21 11:45:15 AM

FlashHarry: there was a rumor that the vatican had the world's largest stash of pornography, collected for, er, "study." i wonder if they'll post that online.


How do you think the internet started?
 
2014-03-21 12:10:24 PM
Why? You won't be able to read any of it unless you have degrees in reading calligraghy and some funky spelling
 
2014-03-21 12:31:26 PM

Gaseous Anomaly: This way they can have some backups, in case any of their collection gets destroyed by a cattle stampede.


Kinky...  I like it.  Take a badge.
 
2014-03-21 12:43:15 PM
Even its massive collection of pornography? Ha! ha! That'll be the day! You wish! No need for you to visit your bunk today.

Nonetheless, their massive collection of art, religious texts, maps and also ethnography is of immense scholarly and literary value.

Not everybody knows that the Vatican has been collecting books and maps to support its missionary mandate for centuries, but if it isn't in there, it was probably destroyed.by foresightless Consquistadors.

Some of the stuff they have would make book collectors weep in fury and envy. They probably have first editions of every book they've every banned, which means every book worth reading for the last thousand years. The Index of Forbidden Books is the greatest reading plan ever assembled by humanity. Forget your Harvard Five Mile Shelf of Books, this is the real thing, baby!
 
2014-03-21 12:48:21 PM
Can't think of the joke but I know it involves very young men performing "data entry"
 
2014-03-21 01:36:25 PM

CapnPlaty: iheartscotch: Good luck reading Latin; the entire sentence structure is ass-backwards from English. The pictures help, however.

I took 3 years of Latin, not that it did me any good.  I believe the basic latin sentence structure was subject object verb.


Bonam caput.
 
2014-03-21 02:04:28 PM
I hear they have the best porn collection.
 
2014-03-21 04:56:26 PM
Well that took long enough.. I shared the direct link they posted about with a few friends. Last year.
 
2014-03-21 07:23:18 PM

iheartscotch: CapnPlaty: iheartscotch: Good luck reading Latin; the entire sentence structure is ass-backwards from English. The pictures help, however.

I took 3 years of Latin, not that it did me any good.  I believe the basic latin sentence structure was subject object verb.

Indeed!

Even simple sentences like " the dog is walking " come out "ambulans canem".


bamberlamps? purple pants?
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-22 02:01:20 AM

iheartscotch: CapnPlaty: iheartscotch: Good luck reading Latin; the entire sentence structure is ass-backwards from English. The pictures help, however.

I took 3 years of Latin, not that it did me any good.  I believe the basic latin sentence structure was subject object verb.

Indeed!

Even simple sentences like " the dog is walking " come out "ambulans canem".


Except that example is VS, not SOV.

Latin IS *default* SOV, but it's so highly marked that it's got a fairly free word order. (Unlike English, which does almost no case marking, but has a highly fixed structure - which is why prescriptivist nonsense like "don't end a sentence with a preposition", derived from the supposed superiority of Latin, are the sort of nonsense up with which a linguist should not put!)

/yes, I am a cunning linguist
 
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