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(ABC)   Russia 'bewildered' by US sanctions. "We thought you'd rename Beef Stroganov to Freedom Stew and be done with it"   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 53
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2014-03-21 08:25:55 AM  
6 votes:

WTF Indeed: It's easy to sanction a government run by a handful of business owners and mob bosses.


It is probably one of the few time when you can target the sanctions to punish the people responsible while not hurting the general population.
2014-03-21 09:16:16 AM  
5 votes:

Tyrone Slothrop: I think they're bewildered that we think sanctions will have any influence on Putin.

/so am I


The MICEX index has basically wiped about 70+ billion dollars worth of value off of the American markets.

The 2% projected GDP increase has basically been wiped out - it is likely that 2014 will see no GDP increase and stay flat, or even a mild decline.

Bank Rossiya, which handles banking for many of Russia's oligarchs and handles Gazprom's pensions, has been frozen out of most international transactions.

Bank Rossiya and another Russia bank no longer have access to Visa and Mastercard to handle credit card transactions, so hundreds of thousands of Russians can no longer use their bank cards or ATMs.

The Russian Ruble dropped almost 10% against the dollar, which means everything they import is now more expensive than it was.

Standard & Poors and Moody's Analytics have downgraded Russia's investment prospects and credit ratings, which means bonds will cost Russia more and investors will be less likely to invest there.

Foreign investors have already withdrawn nearly 35 billion investment dollars from Russia in the last two weeks and that could increase to something like 50 billion a quarter if the sanctions continue.

Russia lost several weapons contracts with the UK and France, which means they're not going to get the weapons system they need to upgrade their military.

Several of the oligarchs are locked out of their US assets (bank accounts, property, etc.).

In the longer term, if Europe is no longer as sure a market for Russian gas, then they are forced rely on China to conduct business. China will no doubt use the leverage to gouge as cheap a gas price as they can.
2014-03-21 08:30:18 AM  
5 votes:

MugzyBrown: What is the legal connection between some of these seemingly non-governmental Russians and being sanctioned for Crimea?

Those sanctions seem inappropriate to me.


There's no such thing as a non-governmental Russian billionaire. This is what happens when you institutionalize corruption so that it becomes a framework for your body politic.
2014-03-21 08:32:16 AM  
4 votes:

MugzyBrown: What is the legal connection between some of these seemingly non-governmental Russians and being sanctioned for Crimea?

Those sanctions seem inappropriate to me.


These are perfect sanctions, they're targeted not to hit the Russian people while hurting the people at the top.  All of these guys have gotten rich through corruption and cronyism, now the US and the EU are threatening to take away all the goodies and perks of being rich.  Having a $100 million mansion in London is great until it gets seized.  If these guys start losing far more than they stand to gain from looting Crimea, they'll back down.
2014-03-21 08:23:00 AM  
3 votes:
It's easy to sanction a government run by a handful of business owners and mob bosses.
2014-03-21 08:21:43 AM  
3 votes:
politique. This man is becoming Stalin redux.
2014-03-21 12:09:58 PM  
2 votes:

Private_Citizen: The latest twist I heard was this: Russia supplied the Ukraine will cheap gas in exchange for the use of a military base in Crimea. But, since Crimea is now Russian, the deal is off - oh yeah, and the Ukraine owes Russia 11 Billion dollars for the cheap gas it's no longer entitled too.

/Extortion. It's the Russian way.


Fine.    See how much gas Russia can sell without using Ukrainian pipelines.
2014-03-21 10:43:56 AM  
2 votes:

rewind2846: Laobaojun: The sanctions will unify Russia and give Putin prestige among all the countries and people who have issues with the US. Great going US. You just did exactly what Putin was expecting you to do.Of course, it only takes a room temperature IQ to figure out how the US would respond. Tomorrow, Ric Romero will report that the sanctions aren't having the effects that the US hoped for.

To the people like this who have issues with what the president is doing... would you like the US to send troops to Crimea to repel the Russians? Would you like the cold war to restart a full generation after it was stopped? You do realize that the last president who sent troops to that part of the planet didn't do so well.

If this president sends aircraft carriers he's a warmongering asshole. If he does nothing he's a Putin-whipped pussy. Those are the choices you have given him.

What would you like to see happen? Most here would really like to know.


Actually, that dude you responded to is so wrong that it's possible he's posting from some Bizarro World.  The sanctions are causing all kinds of unholy hell with the Russian economy, so much so that the Putin is now requesting that super-rich Russians re-register all their businesses in Russia so he can tax them properly.
2014-03-21 10:38:46 AM  
2 votes:

Wasteland: RexTalionis: FLMountainMan:
Fair enough.  You mean politicians' have called people with your same position on that issue "traitors".  And that offended you.  You've not personally been called a traitor. And FWIW, you never said you had been, I just interpreted it that way.

I was not called a traitor, personally, because at the time, I was much younger and much more conservative.

Hell, I was openly accused of it by three different people, on separate occasions, for thinking the entire Iraq debacle was a stupid distraction from the fight with the Taliban.  (One of them actually led to a reprimand for the lady who said it- you can only get away with so much open politics in a state merit job before people get uncomfortable.  Another was a relative, who's since gone full Freeper and cut ties with "the libs" in the family.  The last was a parent of a friend, who now prefers to pretend he never thought that and has always opposed military adventurism like a good little Rand Paulistinian.)

Anyone who thinks that words like "traitor" and "treason" didn't get thrown at dissenters during the height of the heady "post-9/11 world" Neocon days has a blissfully selective memory.  Or, at least, has never had to deal much with hicks from the sticks.  We had to guard against any sign of weakness, just in case the Taliban decided to undermine the base of the Kentucky economy by blowing up the pot distributors' greenhouse over in Van Lear...


You're 100% correct.  This country went nutzo after 9/11, and you had every West Bumblefark, Iowa, thinking they were certainly the next target.  Not only were libs and anyone even slightly against Bush and his righteous war declared traitors -- not just cowards, but TRAITORS -- they were putting in for top of the line APCs and just total bullshiat from the Department of Homeland Security.  I will remember Ari Fleischer and their ilk to the end of my days.  It was a hideous time to be an American and I'll certainly never forget.
2014-03-21 09:25:50 AM  
2 votes:
A guy I work with was born and raised in what was then Leningrad, and moved to the states in 1990, now an American citizen. I was talking to him in the break room about this. He had an interesting take on these sanctions. He said, something like this:

"There's something missing from a lot of the news we're hearing. Both sides won't say. A lot of the wealthy Russians have investments in the same businesses Americans do. They buy American company, stocks, everything. But a lot of wealthy criminal Russians used to be in the mob. They still are mob, but they take crime money and put it in legitimate investments. Not laundering money anymore. The money is too old. But they are still doing tricky things to legitimate stocks and investments like they did with illegal activities. This bothers wealthy Americans, and some Russians. But we do not see mob in the news. If no mention of mob in Russian news, they are involved. Putin gets pressure from wealthy Americans and Russians to stop the mob, but the mob pressures Putin, too. They help him sometimes. The President is probably using sanctions that hurt the mob so Putin will be stuck. Some may even hurt wealthy people secretly working with mob, but they cannot say, so they get mad. They are mad at US, but they want Putin to fix it. Putin cannot fix it without acknowledging mob. He is in trouble."
2014-03-21 09:25:21 AM  
2 votes:

Nadie_AZ: Tatterdemalian: Tricky Chicken: Slaves2Darkness: Tricky Chicken: Ok, why is the news covering the missing airplane so much more than the Ukraine? I get hours of 'we still don't know anything about the flight' interrupted with one liners about major developments about Ukraine.

Because the Ukraine issue is a complex geo-political economic issue that has no clear "good guy" and no clear "winner".  The missing plane is an easy issue and fascinates the mouth breathing portion of our population. Where as Ukraine just confuses them, because really who cares what one group of commies does to another group of commies.

But even on a simple view of the amount of available content, It makes no sense.  They are filling hour upon hour about the plane saying the exact same level of nothing. It is missing and we are still looking can only be rephrased so many times.

But there have been loads of developments in Ukraine. There are history angles to explore, demographic differences in the area to examine. Resource availability to discuss. Local military capability to explain. Geographic importance to point out. I havent heard a wit about the charge of the light brigade, and I am wearing a cardigan right now.

Ukraine seems to be a much more rich topic to explore.

He already said "because people are stupid." Stop questioning him, or you'll be labeled stupid too.

Heh.

The 'average viewer' has a fairly short attention span. Doing anything other than offering simple views on what is going on will cause them to flip the channel. This is what the media outlets fear. This is where the newspaper is still king of. This is where someone needs to figure out how to educate people with their online editions in a way that keeps their attention.


I just took a look at CNN.com, and they have the plane as the number one story and the Ukraine as a bit smaller secondary story.  So I figured, Fox would be trying to spin the Ukraine as a way to say Obama is looking bad.  But they don't even have the story on their main page.

I'm not saying that I don't feel sorry for those lost on the flight or their families, but the fate of an entire country is being played out before our eyes. I honestly cannot figure out why this is played off as such a non-story.

It isn't affecting black people like Uganda, Rawanda, and Liberia, so that isn't why we are ignoring it this time.
It isn't brown people like we ignored Bolivia.

Wait, they don't have oil. That might be it.
2014-03-21 09:13:06 AM  
2 votes:
As usually I see a lot of conservatives biatching and criticizing. Not seeing a lot of suggestions for alternatives.

If you guys are so gung-ho to go to war, then stop being pussies and come right out and admit it.
2014-03-21 09:07:42 AM  
2 votes:

Epic Fap Session: And Fark Independents continue to root for the US to fail.

Stay classy


When the US gave the finger to the world and sanity and invaded Iraq, I was against it. But I never actively rooted for the US to fail. Are you telling me that the people who called me traitor, plastered their cars with magnets and flags and hated my existence are against our Government's decisions now?
2014-03-21 08:58:49 AM  
2 votes:

Tricky Chicken: oooo, that'll learn 'em. They will surely cave now that their portfolios took a percentage point hit! That Obama is a bad ass.


The Russian indexes are down 25% since this started.    If the American indexes were down 25%, we'd be in another world recession/financial crises.
2014-03-21 08:52:30 AM  
2 votes:
And Fark Independents continue to root for the US to fail.

Stay classy
2014-03-21 08:50:03 AM  
2 votes:
I can't wait to see them open the new NATO base in Kiev.
2014-03-21 08:35:51 AM  
2 votes:
Well, the Frogs and us go way back, and despite our quarrels, we both owe each other a debt of friendship. Meanwhile, Putin, the best we think of your country is Boris and Natasha.

/Lafayette, we are here
2014-03-21 08:31:15 AM  
2 votes:
Ok, why is the news covering the missing airplane so much more than the Ukraine? I get hours of 'we still don't know anything about the flight' interrupted with one liners about major developments about Ukraine.
2014-03-21 08:27:29 AM  
2 votes:
I think they're bewildered that we think sanctions will have any influence on Putin.

/so am I
2014-03-21 08:25:05 AM  
2 votes:
The latest twist I heard was this: Russia supplied the Ukraine will cheap gas in exchange for the use of a military base in Crimea. But, since Crimea is now Russian, the deal is off - oh yeah, and the Ukraine owes Russia 11 Billion dollars for the cheap gas it's no longer entitled too.

/Extortion. It's the Russian way.
2014-03-21 08:23:52 AM  
2 votes:
I like that word, 'bewildered'. I need to use it more often.
2014-03-21 02:55:59 PM  
1 votes:

Tricky Chicken: incendi: Tricky Chicken: Because we should just shut up and be happy with an aberage $3.60 a gallon?

What's your plan? biatching on the internet doesn't do much. Are you suggesting we should do a better job of regulating the markets?

Anyway, it's not that bad, at least according to Cato. (Well, Cato while a Republican in office. I'm sure they're outraged now.)

A 150% increase in 8 years is not that bad?!

Ok Baghdad Bob, how farked up do things have to get before you notice?


inflationdata.com

When you adjust it for inflation, the price of gas is roughly equivalent to how it was during the Bush years and how it was during the Reagan years and not as bad as the Great War years.
2014-03-21 01:00:24 PM  
1 votes:

Tricky Chicken: FoxKelfonne: Tricky Chicken: Pants full of macaroni!!: birchman: To the people who think Obama is a weak leader and is handling this situation poorly, what do you think he should be doing? I'm genuinely curious. What could he do tomorrow that would make you come in here and say "Great job Obama"?

In before "Step down and let a Real Republican Man be president".

Yeah, that is about the only thing he could do at this point to mollify the right wing, or to get Putin to blink.  the last time we had a democrat president this week, you could only fuel your car on every other weekday.

I only fuel my car once a week at most, so, hooray?

but then, gas was an outrageous 45 cents a gallon or something.  I just wish we could go back to the cheap gas days of Bush.


Ah yes, back to the days of Bush when Americans feared gas would hit $5/gal.  Let's go back to that.
2014-03-21 11:38:20 AM  
1 votes:

Tricky Chicken: Headso: Tricky Chicken: Then Clinton drew a red line then did jack squat when it got crossed?

with North Korea, yeah. W did too... All presidents use that kind of rhetoric...

Who gives a fark about W? Or is that the standard you want President Obama to live up to? Ooohh hey there, you are a worthless piece of crap, but at least you arent a flaming runny disease laden smear of crap. Good for you. Way to set the bar so low.


uh, I was mentioning that both Clinton and W used redline type rhetoric with NK as other presidents have done with other nations in the past. You're the one holding Obama at a different standard than all other presidents in modern history for some reason.
2014-03-21 11:32:48 AM  
1 votes:

Tricky Chicken: monoski: Russian stock market took a tumble on the news for those of you who would say Obama tactics are weak and we want a president who runs around acting tough.

oooo, that'll learn 'em. They will surely cave now that their portfolios took a percentage point hit! That Obama is a bad ass.

I bet they cave much faster than Iran did over their nuclear program.


Money is a whole lot more effective than riding a horse around shirtless and killing off journalist and political opponents in your own country.
Tell me, would you rather have Putin over Obama for your president?
2014-03-21 11:01:50 AM  
1 votes:

BHShaman: I wonder what would happen if the South tried to cede from the United States this century.
Just an interest supposition. How time makes things so different.


I remember learning about the US Civil War in elementary school and not understanding why it was cool for the US to declare independence from England, but not cool for the south to declare independence from the United States.

It always struck my as hypocritical and I always felt like the South should have been able to go it's merry way.  But, even today, that's a horribly unpopular opinion to have.  But yeah, it'd be interesting to know how it would play out now.
2014-03-21 10:56:04 AM  
1 votes:
I love the thought of sanctions that target the rich and powerful. They are the people so quick to want a war, since wars can be very profitable. The soldiers who bleed and die? Well, those are just little people.

For once, the little people are sitting the conflict out, and the powerful are feeling the pain.

But I'm sure the Russian oligarchs and mob bosses have no problem making a noble sacrifice for the betterment of mother Russia.
2014-03-21 10:46:23 AM  
1 votes:

rewind2846: Laobaojun: The sanctions will unify Russia and give Putin prestige among all the countries and people who have issues with the US. Great going US. You just did exactly what Putin was expecting you to do.Of course, it only takes a room temperature IQ to figure out how the US would respond. Tomorrow, Ric Romero will report that the sanctions aren't having the effects that the US hoped for.

To the people like this who have issues with what the president is doing... would you like the US to send troops to Crimea to repel the Russians? Would you like the cold war to restart a full generation after it was stopped? You do realize that the last president who sent troops to that part of the planet didn't do so well.

If this president sends aircraft carriers he's a warmongering asshole. If he does nothing he's a Putin-whipped pussy. Those are the choices you have given him.

What would you like to see happen? Most here would really like to know.


Well, since we assured the Ukranians that if they gave up the nuclear arsenal that was there after the collapse of the USSR that we would have their back.  I would hope we would not be total douche bags, and sort of honor our previous comitment to them. You know, if they want our help and all.  Why don't we ask them?
2014-03-21 10:26:22 AM  
1 votes:

FLMountainMan: This comment is in every thread about Crimea.   Notable absent from every thread about Crimea are comments where Fark independents root for the US to fail.  You guys have really taken your savior's "There are those..." strategy to a whole new level.


Tricky Chicken: oooo, that'll learn 'em. They will surely cave now that their portfolios took a percentage point hit! That Obama is a bad ass.

I bet they cave much faster than Iran did over their nuclear program.


Smeggy Smurf: Epic Fap Session: And Fark Independents continue to root for the US to fail.

Stay classy

Rock bottom baby.  Gotta hit it first before you can build yourself back up

2014-03-21 10:22:53 AM  
1 votes:

RexTalionis: FLMountainMan:
Fair enough.  You mean politicians' have called people with your same position on that issue "traitors".  And that offended you.  You've not personally been called a traitor. And FWIW, you never said you had been, I just interpreted it that way.

I was not called a traitor, personally, because at the time, I was much younger and much more conservative.


Hell, I was openly accused of it by three different people, on separate occasions, for thinking the entire Iraq debacle was a stupid distraction from the fight with the Taliban.  (One of them actually led to a reprimand for the lady who said it- you can only get away with so much open politics in a state merit job before people get uncomfortable.  Another was a relative, who's since gone full Freeper and cut ties with "the libs" in the family.  The last was a parent of a friend, who now prefers to pretend he never thought that and has always opposed military adventurism like a good little Rand Paulistinian.)

Anyone who thinks that words like "traitor" and "treason" didn't get thrown at dissenters during the height of the heady "post-9/11 world" Neocon days has a blissfully selective memory.  Or, at least, has never had to deal much with hicks from the sticks.  We had to guard against any sign of weakness, just in case the Taliban decided to undermine the base of the Kentucky economy by blowing up the pot distributors' greenhouse over in Van Lear...
2014-03-21 10:17:47 AM  
1 votes:
Remember how people suggested that the sanctions would be weak and ineffective?

Well.    http://www.cnbc.com/id/101510510

Russian President Vladimir Putin is calling on billionaires to pay taxes amid fears that a new wave of Western sanctions against the country over the annexation of Crimea may hit businessmen.

At a meeting Thursday with Russia's richest men in Moscow, Putin said businesses "ought to register on Russian territory and pay taxes in our motherland."


Those oligarchs that he depends on for support were all already registered out of Russia and not paying taxes and now he needs that tax money to maintain the economy.

Bets on how Russian oligarchs respond to this call to give money to Putin?
2014-03-21 10:15:44 AM  
1 votes:

Tricky Chicken: the last time we had a democrat president this week, you could only fuel your car on every other weekday.

latimesblogs.latimes.com

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2014-03-21 09:59:13 AM  
1 votes:

FLMountainMan: Rapmaster2000: birchman: To the people who think Obama is a weak leader and is handling this situation poorly, what do you think he should be doing? I'm genuinely curious. What could he do tomorrow that would make you come in here and say "Great job Obama"?

He needs to show strength and not weakness.  He needs to show leadership.  Putin has seen how Obama BOWS to our enemies and Putin has taken note.

Also, would it kill Obama to wrestle a wolverine with his shirt off?  I would also accept a badger, but a raccoon is completely unacceptable.

fark wrestling the wolverine.  He needs to smash a Budweiser bottle over it's head and then pull out an AR-15 with a 100 round magazine and go to town on it.


Too weak.  Putin can sense weakness.  Obama needs a Browning M1919 with Biden standing next to him holding 5000 rounds in a cardboard box.
voidagger.files.wordpress.com
2014-03-21 09:52:42 AM  
1 votes:

FLMountainMan: I'm sure it's not just one or two trolls that you've turned into gigantic strawmen.


obviously there's plenty of people who think and say the things the other poster was mentioning, who do you think is consuming all the right wing media? it's like a multi-billion dollar industry.
2014-03-21 09:36:00 AM  
1 votes:

FLMountainMan: This comment is in every thread about Crimea. Notable absent from every thread about Crimea are comments where Fark independents root for the US to fail. You guys have really taken your savior's "There are those..." strategy to a whole new level.


Oddly, I seem to recall a lot of Fark Indys such as yourself droning on how weak Obama was, how great and awesome Putin is, how Russia was justified in invading, how Ukraine was selling weapons to the Taliban, how bad the liberals are going to be pissed when their Messiah fails again, etc etc.
2014-03-21 09:23:59 AM  
1 votes:

lelio: These sanctions plus $3 will get you a cup of coffee. Since when did Putin give a rats ass about public opinion or economic hardship? The only language he understands comes from the barrel of a gun.


Except for the fact that many Russian people are wising up to Putin.  1000's protested against the Crimea stuff - barely reported anywhere, but it did happen (and it takes balls to protest in Russia.)

If we reacted militarily too hard/quickly it would enable Putin (not that he needs much motivation) too go hard core, clamp down internally and go big guns externally.  Yes he would lose, but Russia is a big place and it takes waaaaay too long to conquer it.

And of all the nutbags with the potentional to create a nuclear exchange ... this topless, small-dick fark is probably one of the worse we have ever had to worry about (he is very much a shadow of Stalin,in that he doesn't really care about the Russian people just 'Russia'.)
2014-03-21 09:18:27 AM  
1 votes:

Tatterdemalian: WTF Indeed: Muta: WTF Indeed: It's easy to sanction a government run by a handful of business owners and mob bosses.

It is probably one of the few time when you can target the sanctions to punish the people responsible while not hurting the general population.

Oh it will hurt the general population. Do you really think guys used to buying yachts the size of WWII aircraft carriers are going to say "Well, I've got less money now that I can't do business in the US and EU, so I'll just take less from myself to ensure the population isn't effected."? Hell now, they are going to the gouge the fark out of the general population.

Yes, but nobody's going to care about that until a Republican is president.

/Clinton imposed sanctions on Saddam Hussein
//nobody screamed about sanctions starving Iraqi babies until Dubya was elected
///isn't it great how sanctions can be used as propaganda weapons against both foreign and domestic "enemies?"


Actually I and many other people were very vocal about that.

You see decent people understand bastard behaviour, regardless of who does it.
2014-03-21 09:16:33 AM  
1 votes:

Tatterdemalian: Tricky Chicken: Slaves2Darkness: Tricky Chicken: Ok, why is the news covering the missing airplane so much more than the Ukraine? I get hours of 'we still don't know anything about the flight' interrupted with one liners about major developments about Ukraine.

Because the Ukraine issue is a complex geo-political economic issue that has no clear "good guy" and no clear "winner".  The missing plane is an easy issue and fascinates the mouth breathing portion of our population. Where as Ukraine just confuses them, because really who cares what one group of commies does to another group of commies.

But even on a simple view of the amount of available content, It makes no sense.  They are filling hour upon hour about the plane saying the exact same level of nothing. It is missing and we are still looking can only be rephrased so many times.

But there have been loads of developments in Ukraine. There are history angles to explore, demographic differences in the area to examine. Resource availability to discuss. Local military capability to explain. Geographic importance to point out. I havent heard a wit about the charge of the light brigade, and I am wearing a cardigan right now.

Ukraine seems to be a much more rich topic to explore.

He already said "because people are stupid." Stop questioning him, or you'll be labeled stupid too.


Heh.

The 'average viewer' has a fairly short attention span. Doing anything other than offering simple views on what is going on will cause them to flip the channel. This is what the media outlets fear. This is where the newspaper is still king of. This is where someone needs to figure out how to educate people with their online editions in a way that keeps their attention.
2014-03-21 09:05:18 AM  
1 votes:

Slaves2Darkness: Tricky Chicken: Ok, why is the news covering the missing airplane so much more than the Ukraine? I get hours of 'we still don't know anything about the flight' interrupted with one liners about major developments about Ukraine.

Because the Ukraine issue is a complex geo-political economic issue that has no clear "good guy" and no clear "winner".  The missing plane is an easy issue and fascinates the mouth breathing portion of our population. Where as Ukraine just confuses them, because really who cares what one group of commies does to another group of commies.


But even on a simple view of the amount of available content, It makes no sense.  They are filling hour upon hour about the plane saying the exact same level of nothing. It is missing and we are still looking can only be rephrased so many times.

But there have been loads of developments in Ukraine. There are history angles to explore, demographic differences in the area to examine. Resource availability to discuss. Local military capability to explain. Geographic importance to point out. I havent heard a wit about the charge of the light brigade, and I am wearing a cardigan right now.

Ukraine seems to be a much more rich topic to explore.
2014-03-21 08:55:13 AM  
1 votes:

Tricky Chicken: Ok, why is the news covering the missing airplane so much more than the Ukraine? I get hours of 'we still don't know anything about the flight' interrupted with one liners about major developments about Ukraine.


Because the Ukraine issue is a complex geo-political economic issue that has no clear "good guy" and no clear "winner".  The missing plane is an easy issue and fascinates the mouth breathing portion of our population. Where as Ukraine just confuses them, because really who cares what one group of commies does to another group of commies.
2014-03-21 08:52:44 AM  
1 votes:

WTF Indeed: Muta: WTF Indeed: It's easy to sanction a government run by a handful of business owners and mob bosses.

It is probably one of the few time when you can target the sanctions to punish the people responsible while not hurting the general population.

Oh it will hurt the general population. Do you really think guys used to buying yachts the size of WWII aircraft carriers are going to say "Well, I've got less money now that I can't do business in the US and EU, so I'll just take less from myself to ensure the population isn't effected."? Hell now, they are going to the gouge the fark out of the general population.


Yes, but nobody's going to care about that until a Republican is president.

/Clinton imposed sanctions on Saddam Hussein
//nobody screamed about sanctions starving Iraqi babies until Dubya was elected
///isn't it great how sanctions can be used as propaganda weapons against both foreign and domestic "enemies?"
2014-03-21 08:50:07 AM  
1 votes:

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Good concept but poor execution. To really make it work you need something with "Russian" in, like calling Russian dressing "freedom dressing".
Yeah. I'm that freakin' guy.


i.imgur.com

Could use a White Freedom about now.

/wait, that didn't come out right.....
2014-03-21 08:48:33 AM  
1 votes:

monoski: Russian stock market took a tumble on the news for those of you who would say Obama tactics are weak and we want a president who runs around acting tough.


I decided a long time ago that the current administration will be best judged by the historians, per usual.

The swirling vortex of teeth gnashing, whining, and complaining--regardless of the course of action--is just too big.
2014-03-21 08:46:28 AM  
1 votes:
These sanctions plus $3 will get you a cup of coffee. Since when did Putin give a rats ass about public opinion or economic hardship? The only language he understands comes from the barrel of a gun.
2014-03-21 08:45:53 AM  
1 votes:
Good concept but poor execution. To really make it work you need something with "Russian" in, like calling Russian dressing "freedom dressing".
Yeah. I'm that freakin' guy.
2014-03-21 08:38:47 AM  
1 votes:
If only there was an effective way to deal with a bully.
2014-03-21 08:37:08 AM  
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MugzyBrown: What's to stop Russia from kicking out or nationalizing all of the US businesses in Russia right now? Pepsi, Exxon, etc.


This ain't the Soviet Union anymore, and Pepsi? Really?
2014-03-21 08:30:39 AM  
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WTF Indeed: It's easy to sanction a government run by a handful of business owners and mob bosses.


But enough of the Republican Party. This isn't the politics tab and we're talking about Russia here.
2014-03-21 08:29:42 AM  
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Muta: WTF Indeed: It's easy to sanction a government run by a handful of business owners and mob bosses.

It is probably one of the few time when you can target the sanctions to punish the people responsible while not hurting the general population.


Oh it will hurt the general population. Do you really think guys used to buying yachts the size of WWII aircraft carriers are going to say "Well, I've got less money now that I can't do business in the US and EU, so I'll just take less from myself to ensure the population isn't effected."? Hell now, they are going to the gouge the fark out of the general population.
2014-03-21 08:28:46 AM  
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MugzyBrown: What is the legal connection between some of these seemingly non-governmental Russians and being sanctioned for Crimea?

Those sanctions seem inappropriate to me.


The people (and entities) who were sanctioned are the ones with enough power to pressure the government.

Unless you'd rather start WWIII, the best place to hit a country like Russia is it's pocketbook.
2014-03-21 08:28:39 AM  
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MugzyBrown: What is the legal connection between some of these seemingly non-governmental Russians and being sanctioned for Crimea?

Those sanctions seem inappropriate to me.


Sanctions do generally seem stupid to me, especially when we could crush Gazprom's stock price by rushing LNG exports, but these seem better than the sanctions against Iran which appear to mainly hurt the poor and children.
2014-03-21 08:28:19 AM  
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The sanctions will unify Russia and give Putin prestige among all the countries and people who have issues with the US. Great going US. You just did exactly what Putin was expecting you to do.Of course, it only takes a room temperature IQ to figure out how the US would respond. Tomorrow, Ric Romero will report that the sanctions aren't having the effects that the US hoped for.
2014-03-21 08:25:06 AM  
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I think they said they were 'bewildered by some of the names on the list'.    I'm sure they aren't surprised at all that a few sanctions are thrown thier way.
 
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