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(ABC)   Russia 'bewildered' by US sanctions. "We thought you'd rename Beef Stroganov to Freedom Stew and be done with it"   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 209
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2014-03-21 09:52:42 AM  

FLMountainMan: I'm sure it's not just one or two trolls that you've turned into gigantic strawmen.


obviously there's plenty of people who think and say the things the other poster was mentioning, who do you think is consuming all the right wing media? it's like a multi-billion dollar industry.
 
2014-03-21 09:54:41 AM  

Maud Dib: JoieD'Zen: Will this affect Vodka?

/asking for a friend
Who cares? We make that shiat in Texas these days.

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That shiat is great vodka. I've put people up in blind taste tests with that against grey goose, absolut, ketel one, bel, stoli. Titos always wins.
 
2014-03-21 09:54:53 AM  

Rapmaster2000: birchman: To the people who think Obama is a weak leader and is handling this situation poorly, what do you think he should be doing? I'm genuinely curious. What could he do tomorrow that would make you come in here and say "Great job Obama"?

He needs to show strength and not weakness.  He needs to show leadership.  Putin has seen how Obama BOWS to our enemies and Putin has taken note.

Also, would it kill Obama to wrestle a wolverine with his shirt off?  I would also accept a badger, but a raccoon is completely unacceptable.


fark wrestling the wolverine.  He needs to smash a Budweiser bottle over it's head and then pull out an AR-15 with a 100 round magazine and go to town on it.
 
2014-03-21 09:58:03 AM  

Headso: FLMountainMan: I'm sure it's not just one or two trolls that you've turned into gigantic strawmen.

obviously there's plenty of people who think and say the things the other poster was mentioning, who do you think is consuming all the right wing media? it's like a multi-billion dollar industry.


He specifically mentioned Farkers calling themselves independent.  And FWIW, I've never called myself an independent.  For employment reasons, I'm typically registered with the party in the Governor's mansion.  But in reality, I'm probably a centrist Republican.
 
2014-03-21 09:58:16 AM  
in related news, ABC has gone full dickwaffle on its video players...  Nice that there is not so much as a pause button on that stupid video ad...  Congrats NBC, all it did was make me block all videos on your site...
 
2014-03-21 09:59:13 AM  

FLMountainMan: Rapmaster2000: birchman: To the people who think Obama is a weak leader and is handling this situation poorly, what do you think he should be doing? I'm genuinely curious. What could he do tomorrow that would make you come in here and say "Great job Obama"?

He needs to show strength and not weakness.  He needs to show leadership.  Putin has seen how Obama BOWS to our enemies and Putin has taken note.

Also, would it kill Obama to wrestle a wolverine with his shirt off?  I would also accept a badger, but a raccoon is completely unacceptable.

fark wrestling the wolverine.  He needs to smash a Budweiser bottle over it's head and then pull out an AR-15 with a 100 round magazine and go to town on it.


Too weak.  Putin can sense weakness.  Obama needs a Browning M1919 with Biden standing next to him holding 5000 rounds in a cardboard box.
voidagger.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-03-21 10:01:37 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: MugzyBrown: What is the legal connection between some of these seemingly non-governmental Russians and being sanctioned for Crimea?

Those sanctions seem inappropriate to me.

These are perfect sanctions...


I would submit that there is no such thing as perfect sanctions...   At most you can only get to "close enough"...
 
2014-03-21 10:03:06 AM  

Rapmaster2000: birchman: To the people who think Obama is a weak leader and is handling this situation poorly, what do you think he should be doing? I'm genuinely curious. What could he do tomorrow that would make you come in here and say "Great job Obama"?

He needs to show strength and not weakness.  He needs to show leadership.  Putin has seen how Obama BOWS to our enemies and Putin has taken note.

Also, would it kill Obama to wrestle a wolverine with his shirt off?  I would also accept a badger, but a raccoon is completely unacceptable.



A large Mountain Raccoon should be totally acceptable.    I'd like to see you go one on one with a testy one in a 10x12 screened porch.

Well wait.... it digress.    Never mind the 'coon.

The thing to also remember for farkers in general (but moreso some of the sensitive lefty ones) is that the US is not the main player here with Russia on sanctions.    We divested from Russia years ago.
it is the EU that now is the main player in sanctions.   They are heavily invested with Russia.

The US is not the main player
 
2014-03-21 10:03:58 AM  
This thread is making me hungry.
 
2014-03-21 10:08:21 AM  

EvilVanMan: This thread is making me hungry.


Think of borscht. That will kill the cravings.
 
2014-03-21 10:11:58 AM  

birchman: Maud Dib: JoieD'Zen: Will this affect Vodka?

/asking for a friend
Who cares? We make that shiat in Texas these days.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 850x1237]

That shiat is great vodka. I've put people up in blind taste tests with that against grey goose, absolut, ketel one, bel, stoli. Titos always wins.


And its cheaper than all the other shiat that people THINK is good vodka. Love me some Tito's. Sounds like I'm gonna need a bottle for the weekend now...
 
2014-03-21 10:12:01 AM  

Rapmaster2000: FLMountainMan: Rapmaster2000: birchman: To the people who think Obama is a weak leader and is handling this situation poorly, what do you think he should be doing? I'm genuinely curious. What could he do tomorrow that would make you come in here and say "Great job Obama"?

He needs to show strength and not weakness.  He needs to show leadership.  Putin has seen how Obama BOWS to our enemies and Putin has taken note.

Also, would it kill Obama to wrestle a wolverine with his shirt off?  I would also accept a badger, but a raccoon is completely unacceptable.

fark wrestling the wolverine.  He needs to smash a Budweiser bottle over it's head and then pull out an AR-15 with a 100 round magazine and go to town on it.

Too weak.  Putin can sense weakness.  Obama needs a Browning M1919 with Biden standing next to him holding 5000 rounds in a cardboard box.
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I don't think we've ever agreed on anything politically, but you're still one of my favorite posters.
 
2014-03-21 10:12:59 AM  

FLMountainMan: Headso: FLMountainMan: I'm sure it's not just one or two trolls that you've turned into gigantic strawmen.

obviously there's plenty of people who think and say the things the other poster was mentioning, who do you think is consuming all the right wing media? it's like a multi-billion dollar industry.

He specifically mentioned Farkers calling themselves independent.  And FWIW, I've never called myself an independent.  For employment reasons, I'm typically registered with the party in the Governor's mansion.  But in reality, I'm probably a centrist Republican.


People call themselves independent on fark because the republican brand is something they are embarrassed to be associated with and they probably feel like they won't be taken seriously when they take a shiat on everything Obama does. When you hear others describe them as independent, in this context, I don't think it actually refers to what they are registered as. Also, lol at middle class republican.
 
2014-03-21 10:13:04 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: birchman: To the people who think Obama is a weak leader and is handling this situation poorly, what do you think he should be doing? I'm genuinely curious. What could he do tomorrow that would make you come in here and say "Great job Obama"?

In before "Step down and let a Real Republican Man be president".


Yeah, that is about the only thing he could do at this point to mollify the right wing, or to get Putin to blink.  the last time we had a democrat president this week, you could only fuel your car on every other weekday.
 
2014-03-21 10:14:25 AM  

Tricky Chicken: Pants full of macaroni!!: birchman: To the people who think Obama is a weak leader and is handling this situation poorly, what do you think he should be doing? I'm genuinely curious. What could he do tomorrow that would make you come in here and say "Great job Obama"?

In before "Step down and let a Real Republican Man be president".

Yeah, that is about the only thing he could do at this point to mollify the right wing, or to get Putin to blink.  the last time we had a democrat president this week, you could only fuel your car on every other weekday.


Yes, I farked that up.
 
2014-03-21 10:15:06 AM  
Isn't this an act of war?
 
2014-03-21 10:15:44 AM  

Tricky Chicken: the last time we had a democrat president this week, you could only fuel your car on every other weekday.

latimesblogs.latimes.com

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2014-03-21 10:17:47 AM  
Remember how people suggested that the sanctions would be weak and ineffective?

Well.    http://www.cnbc.com/id/101510510

Russian President Vladimir Putin is calling on billionaires to pay taxes amid fears that a new wave of Western sanctions against the country over the annexation of Crimea may hit businessmen.

At a meeting Thursday with Russia's richest men in Moscow, Putin said businesses "ought to register on Russian territory and pay taxes in our motherland."


Those oligarchs that he depends on for support were all already registered out of Russia and not paying taxes and now he needs that tax money to maintain the economy.

Bets on how Russian oligarchs respond to this call to give money to Putin?
 
2014-03-21 10:17:51 AM  

RexTalionis: Tricky Chicken: the last time we had a democrat president this week, you could only fuel your car on every other weekday.
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I was going with Carter, you know since the only other one would be Clinton.  And we should all be able to agree that Clinton was a stronger president on the world stage than President Obama.
 
2014-03-21 10:18:20 AM  

birchman: That shiat is great vodka. I've put people up in blind taste tests with that against grey goose, absolut, ketel one, bel, stoli. Titos always wins.


I hate to break it to you....

In a 2005  New York Times blind tasting of 21 world-class vodkas, Smirnoff won as the "hands-down favorite"
 
2014-03-21 10:21:01 AM  

Tricky Chicken: RexTalionis: Tricky Chicken: the last time we had a democrat president this week, you could only fuel your car on every other weekday.
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I was going with Carter, you know since the only other one would be Clinton.  And we should all be able to agree that Clinton was a stronger president on the world stage than President Obama.


I don't think there were alternate day fueling rules during the 1979 oil crisis. Maybe the 1973 one (under Nixon), but not the 1979 one.
 
2014-03-21 10:22:53 AM  

RexTalionis: FLMountainMan:
Fair enough.  You mean politicians' have called people with your same position on that issue "traitors".  And that offended you.  You've not personally been called a traitor. And FWIW, you never said you had been, I just interpreted it that way.

I was not called a traitor, personally, because at the time, I was much younger and much more conservative.


Hell, I was openly accused of it by three different people, on separate occasions, for thinking the entire Iraq debacle was a stupid distraction from the fight with the Taliban.  (One of them actually led to a reprimand for the lady who said it- you can only get away with so much open politics in a state merit job before people get uncomfortable.  Another was a relative, who's since gone full Freeper and cut ties with "the libs" in the family.  The last was a parent of a friend, who now prefers to pretend he never thought that and has always opposed military adventurism like a good little Rand Paulistinian.)

Anyone who thinks that words like "traitor" and "treason" didn't get thrown at dissenters during the height of the heady "post-9/11 world" Neocon days has a blissfully selective memory.  Or, at least, has never had to deal much with hicks from the sticks.  We had to guard against any sign of weakness, just in case the Taliban decided to undermine the base of the Kentucky economy by blowing up the pot distributors' greenhouse over in Van Lear...
 
2014-03-21 10:25:26 AM  
Heh.  Now that I cook for my family, one of my signature dishes of my own creation is "Beef Strelnikov", named after this guy
robertsnow.files.wordpress.com
From "Dr. Zhivago", and his awesome armored train.

Beef Strelnikov is basically Beef Stroganov, minus the mushrooms and instead adding bell peppers and celery, and over Penne Pasta instead of wide egg noodles. It's beefy and creamy and carb-o-riffic and oh so tasty, with just enough veggies to fool yourself into thinking it's good for you.
 
2014-03-21 10:25:42 AM  

FLMountainMan: I think the sanctions are about the best Obama could do.  It's a shiatty situation.  And I think they have a better than expected chance of effecting change.  Beats going to war, and beats not doing anything.

Epic Fap Session: And Fark Independents continue to root for the US to fail.

Stay classy

This comment is in every thread about Crimea.  Notable absent from every thread about Crimea are comments where Fark independents root for the US to fail.  You guys have really taken your savior's "There are those..." strategy to a whole new level.

Nadie_AZ: When the US gave the finger to the world and sanity and invaded Iraq, I was against it. But I never actively rooted for the US to fail. Are you telling me that the people who called me traitor, plastered their cars with magnets and flags and hated my existence are against our Government's decisions now?

I'm sure this really happened.  Like the Vietnam Vets who were spit on.


The traitor thing?  It sure as Fark happened to ME.  Both online and in person.  One reason I'm EXTREMELY unlikely ever to vote Republican again.
 
2014-03-21 10:25:51 AM  

oxnard_montalvo: birchman: That shiat is great vodka. I've put people up in blind taste tests with that against grey goose, absolut, ketel one, bel, stoli. Titos always wins.

I hate to break it to you....

In a 2005  New York Times blind tasting of 21 world-class vodkas, Smirnoff won as the "hands-down favorite"


Not to continue the threadjack, but Tito's wasn't included in that taste test, so it would have been damn difficult to win it.
 
2014-03-21 10:26:03 AM  
I'm looking forward to the Chicken Kiev LarryTheCableGuy my wife is making this weekend.
 
2014-03-21 10:26:22 AM  

FLMountainMan: This comment is in every thread about Crimea.   Notable absent from every thread about Crimea are comments where Fark independents root for the US to fail.  You guys have really taken your savior's "There are those..." strategy to a whole new level.


Tricky Chicken: oooo, that'll learn 'em. They will surely cave now that their portfolios took a percentage point hit! That Obama is a bad ass.

I bet they cave much faster than Iran did over their nuclear program.


Smeggy Smurf: Epic Fap Session: And Fark Independents continue to root for the US to fail.

Stay classy

Rock bottom baby.  Gotta hit it first before you can build yourself back up

 
2014-03-21 10:30:10 AM  
Maybe it's just me, but this all seems really childish.  Like name calling on the school yard.

Sanctions against the country?  Sure, that's fine.
Sanctions against powerful people in the government......ummm, I guess?
Sanctions against friends of people in the government.....seriously?

I'm not sure how that is even legal, but I realize when you reach a certain point of power (and the President is well beyond it), legality doesn't matter.  The US government can pick your name out of a hat and say, 'Haha - your assets are frozen and anyone part of the US banking system can't do business with you.

I certainly don't remember a trial where these people were presumed innocent and later proven guilty of crimes they had committed that would warrant such actions against them.  Maybe there was one, and Farkers can link me to it, but I suspect it's just people with unfathomable political power ruling from on high.
 
2014-03-21 10:30:23 AM  

RexTalionis: Tricky Chicken: RexTalionis: Tricky Chicken: the last time we had a democrat president this week, you could only fuel your car on every other weekday.
[latimesblogs.latimes.com image 850x669]

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I was going with Carter, you know since the only other one would be Clinton.  And we should all be able to agree that Clinton was a stronger president on the world stage than President Obama.

I don't think there were alternate day fueling rules during the 1979 oil crisis. Maybe the 1973 one (under Nixon), but not the 1979 one.


Yeah, I said I messed that up.  It was actually even-odd liscence plate numbers determining when you could buy fuel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odd%E2%80%93even_rationing
 
2014-03-21 10:32:23 AM  

Tricky Chicken: And we should all be able to agree that Clinton was a stronger president on the world stage than President Obama.


nah we can't really all agree on that, Clinton kinda just let things go on, nttiawwt. Obama has made some decisive moves like supporting the Libya thing and sending people in to Pakistan to kill Bin Laden.
 
2014-03-21 10:33:20 AM  
I guess you have the serbia thing that Clinton was involved in, that was a bizarre situation though.
 
2014-03-21 10:35:45 AM  

Infernalist: Remember how people suggested that the sanctions would be weak and ineffective?

Well.    http://www.cnbc.com/id/101510510

Russian President Vladimir Putin is calling on billionaires to pay taxes amid fears that a new wave of Western sanctions against the country over the annexation of Crimea may hit businessmen.

At a meeting Thursday with Russia's richest men in Moscow, Putin said businesses "ought to register on Russian territory and pay taxes in our motherland."

Those oligarchs that he depends on for support were all already registered out of Russia and not paying taxes and now he needs that tax money to maintain the economy.

Bets on how Russian oligarchs respond to this call to give money to Putin?


Didn't that traitorous chowderhead Gerard Depardieu become Russian in order to avoid paying French taxes?
 
2014-03-21 10:37:05 AM  

Headso: Tricky Chicken: And we should all be able to agree that Clinton was a stronger president on the world stage than President Obama.

nah we can't really all agree on that, Clinton kinda just let things go on, nttiawwt. Obama has made some decisive moves like supporting the Libya thing and sending people in to Pakistan to kill Bin Laden.


So, you would argue that President Obama is a stronger president than Clinton was regarding foreign policy.  Please tell me about drawing red lines and how that came out as anything but pathetically weak? But they agreed to give up the chemical weapons didn't they? And how is that coming along? Not an international joke at all.
 
2014-03-21 10:38:46 AM  

Wasteland: RexTalionis: FLMountainMan:
Fair enough.  You mean politicians' have called people with your same position on that issue "traitors".  And that offended you.  You've not personally been called a traitor. And FWIW, you never said you had been, I just interpreted it that way.

I was not called a traitor, personally, because at the time, I was much younger and much more conservative.

Hell, I was openly accused of it by three different people, on separate occasions, for thinking the entire Iraq debacle was a stupid distraction from the fight with the Taliban.  (One of them actually led to a reprimand for the lady who said it- you can only get away with so much open politics in a state merit job before people get uncomfortable.  Another was a relative, who's since gone full Freeper and cut ties with "the libs" in the family.  The last was a parent of a friend, who now prefers to pretend he never thought that and has always opposed military adventurism like a good little Rand Paulistinian.)

Anyone who thinks that words like "traitor" and "treason" didn't get thrown at dissenters during the height of the heady "post-9/11 world" Neocon days has a blissfully selective memory.  Or, at least, has never had to deal much with hicks from the sticks.  We had to guard against any sign of weakness, just in case the Taliban decided to undermine the base of the Kentucky economy by blowing up the pot distributors' greenhouse over in Van Lear...


You're 100% correct.  This country went nutzo after 9/11, and you had every West Bumblefark, Iowa, thinking they were certainly the next target.  Not only were libs and anyone even slightly against Bush and his righteous war declared traitors -- not just cowards, but TRAITORS -- they were putting in for top of the line APCs and just total bullshiat from the Department of Homeland Security.  I will remember Ari Fleischer and their ilk to the end of my days.  It was a hideous time to be an American and I'll certainly never forget.
 
2014-03-21 10:39:15 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Infernalist: Remember how people suggested that the sanctions would be weak and ineffective?

Well.    http://www.cnbc.com/id/101510510

Russian President Vladimir Putin is calling on billionaires to pay taxes amid fears that a new wave of Western sanctions against the country over the annexation of Crimea may hit businessmen.

At a meeting Thursday with Russia's richest men in Moscow, Putin said businesses "ought to register on Russian territory and pay taxes in our motherland."

Those oligarchs that he depends on for support were all already registered out of Russia and not paying taxes and now he needs that tax money to maintain the economy.

Bets on how Russian oligarchs respond to this call to give money to Putin?

Didn't that traitorous chowderhead Gerard Depardieu become Russian in order to avoid paying French taxes?


That would be hilarious.  Also, on a French-related note, the French just canceled the delivery of military-related materials to Russia as a result of all this.

Oh, and the Russian economy is in the process of imploding.
 
2014-03-21 10:39:27 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Didn't that traitorous chowderhead Gerard Depardieu become Russian in order to avoid paying French taxes?


Didn't Polanski run to France so he could rape little girls?  Where are you going with this?
 
2014-03-21 10:41:50 AM  
What does one call a herd of cattle masturbating in unison?

Beef Strokin'-Off
 
2014-03-21 10:42:03 AM  

Laobaojun: The sanctions will unify Russia and give Putin prestige among all the countries and people who have issues with the US. Great going US. You just did exactly what Putin was expecting you to do.Of course, it only takes a room temperature IQ to figure out how the US would respond. Tomorrow, Ric Romero will report that the sanctions aren't having the effects that the US hoped for.


To the people like this who have issues with what the president is doing... would you like the US to send troops to Crimea to repel the Russians? Would you like the cold war to restart a full generation after it was stopped? You do realize that the last president who sent troops to that part of the planet didn't do so well.

If this president sends aircraft carriers he's a warmongering asshole. If he does nothing he's a Putin-whipped pussy. Those are the choices you have given him.

What would you like to see happen? Most here would really like to know.
 
2014-03-21 10:43:26 AM  

Tricky Chicken: Headso: Tricky Chicken: And we should all be able to agree that Clinton was a stronger president on the world stage than President Obama.

nah we can't really all agree on that, Clinton kinda just let things go on, nttiawwt. Obama has made some decisive moves like supporting the Libya thing and sending people in to Pakistan to kill Bin Laden.

So, you would argue that President Obama is a stronger president than Clinton was regarding foreign policy.  Please tell me about drawing red lines and how that came out as anything but pathetically weak? But they agreed to give up the chemical weapons didn't they? And how is that coming along? Not an international joke at all.


I don't know if he is stronger or weaker but he has had more difficult problems to deal with than Clinton, just inheriting the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan alone are more than Clinton had to deal with. Whining about rhetoric every president uses just shows that you consume too much right wing media.
 
2014-03-21 10:43:56 AM  

rewind2846: Laobaojun: The sanctions will unify Russia and give Putin prestige among all the countries and people who have issues with the US. Great going US. You just did exactly what Putin was expecting you to do.Of course, it only takes a room temperature IQ to figure out how the US would respond. Tomorrow, Ric Romero will report that the sanctions aren't having the effects that the US hoped for.

To the people like this who have issues with what the president is doing... would you like the US to send troops to Crimea to repel the Russians? Would you like the cold war to restart a full generation after it was stopped? You do realize that the last president who sent troops to that part of the planet didn't do so well.

If this president sends aircraft carriers he's a warmongering asshole. If he does nothing he's a Putin-whipped pussy. Those are the choices you have given him.

What would you like to see happen? Most here would really like to know.


Actually, that dude you responded to is so wrong that it's possible he's posting from some Bizarro World.  The sanctions are causing all kinds of unholy hell with the Russian economy, so much so that the Putin is now requesting that super-rich Russians re-register all their businesses in Russia so he can tax them properly.
 
2014-03-21 10:44:32 AM  
static.guim.co.uk
It'd be funny if they blew up Chelsea by sanctioning Roman. There are many ways to mess up a season; key injuries, coach losing the locker room, international war and politics...
 
2014-03-21 10:45:51 AM  
China to Obama: Sanctions really? Taiwan is worth it.

Best Korea: A pencil whip for Pusan? Bring it on.

Syria: What chemical weapons agreement?

Obama fiddled...
 
2014-03-21 10:46:23 AM  

rewind2846: Laobaojun: The sanctions will unify Russia and give Putin prestige among all the countries and people who have issues with the US. Great going US. You just did exactly what Putin was expecting you to do.Of course, it only takes a room temperature IQ to figure out how the US would respond. Tomorrow, Ric Romero will report that the sanctions aren't having the effects that the US hoped for.

To the people like this who have issues with what the president is doing... would you like the US to send troops to Crimea to repel the Russians? Would you like the cold war to restart a full generation after it was stopped? You do realize that the last president who sent troops to that part of the planet didn't do so well.

If this president sends aircraft carriers he's a warmongering asshole. If he does nothing he's a Putin-whipped pussy. Those are the choices you have given him.

What would you like to see happen? Most here would really like to know.


Well, since we assured the Ukranians that if they gave up the nuclear arsenal that was there after the collapse of the USSR that we would have their back.  I would hope we would not be total douche bags, and sort of honor our previous comitment to them. You know, if they want our help and all.  Why don't we ask them?
 
2014-03-21 10:49:35 AM  
I wonder what would happen if the South tried to cede from the United States this century.
Just an interest supposition. How time makes things so different.
 
2014-03-21 10:50:34 AM  

BHShaman: I wonder what would happen if the South tried to cede from the United States this century.


I'd chip in for their bus fare.
 
2014-03-21 10:52:08 AM  

Tricky Chicken: Pants full of macaroni!!: birchman: To the people who think Obama is a weak leader and is handling this situation poorly, what do you think he should be doing? I'm genuinely curious. What could he do tomorrow that would make you come in here and say "Great job Obama"?

In before "Step down and let a Real Republican Man be president".

Yeah, that is about the only thing he could do at this point to mollify the right wing, or to get Putin to blink.  the last time we had a democrat president this week, you could only fuel your car on every other weekday.


I only fuel my car once a week at most, so, hooray?
 
2014-03-21 10:55:43 AM  

FoxKelfonne: Tricky Chicken: Pants full of macaroni!!: birchman: To the people who think Obama is a weak leader and is handling this situation poorly, what do you think he should be doing? I'm genuinely curious. What could he do tomorrow that would make you come in here and say "Great job Obama"?

In before "Step down and let a Real Republican Man be president".

Yeah, that is about the only thing he could do at this point to mollify the right wing, or to get Putin to blink.  the last time we had a democrat president this week, you could only fuel your car on every other weekday.

I only fuel my car once a week at most, so, hooray?


but then, gas was an outrageous 45 cents a gallon or something.  I just wish we could go back to the cheap gas days of Bush.
 
2014-03-21 10:56:04 AM  
I love the thought of sanctions that target the rich and powerful. They are the people so quick to want a war, since wars can be very profitable. The soldiers who bleed and die? Well, those are just little people.

For once, the little people are sitting the conflict out, and the powerful are feeling the pain.

But I'm sure the Russian oligarchs and mob bosses have no problem making a noble sacrifice for the betterment of mother Russia.
 
2014-03-21 10:56:43 AM  

YixilTesiphon: Sanctions do generally seem stupid to me, especially when we could crush Gazprom's stock price by rushing LNG exports, but these seem better than the sanctions against Iran which appear to mainly hurt the poor and children.


As planned.  Think about it.
 
2014-03-21 11:01:50 AM  

BHShaman: I wonder what would happen if the South tried to cede from the United States this century.
Just an interest supposition. How time makes things so different.


I remember learning about the US Civil War in elementary school and not understanding why it was cool for the US to declare independence from England, but not cool for the south to declare independence from the United States.

It always struck my as hypocritical and I always felt like the South should have been able to go it's merry way.  But, even today, that's a horribly unpopular opinion to have.  But yeah, it'd be interesting to know how it would play out now.
 
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