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(ABC)   Russia 'bewildered' by US sanctions. "We thought you'd rename Beef Stroganov to Freedom Stew and be done with it"   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 209
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2014-03-21 08:21:43 AM  
politique. This man is becoming Stalin redux.
 
2014-03-21 08:23:00 AM  
It's easy to sanction a government run by a handful of business owners and mob bosses.
 
2014-03-21 08:23:52 AM  
I like that word, 'bewildered'. I need to use it more often.
 
2014-03-21 08:25:05 AM  
The latest twist I heard was this: Russia supplied the Ukraine will cheap gas in exchange for the use of a military base in Crimea. But, since Crimea is now Russian, the deal is off - oh yeah, and the Ukraine owes Russia 11 Billion dollars for the cheap gas it's no longer entitled too.

/Extortion. It's the Russian way.
 
2014-03-21 08:25:06 AM  
I think they said they were 'bewildered by some of the names on the list'.    I'm sure they aren't surprised at all that a few sanctions are thrown thier way.
 
2014-03-21 08:25:52 AM  
What is the legal connection between some of these seemingly non-governmental Russians and being sanctioned for Crimea?

Those sanctions seem inappropriate to me.
 
2014-03-21 08:25:55 AM  

WTF Indeed: It's easy to sanction a government run by a handful of business owners and mob bosses.


It is probably one of the few time when you can target the sanctions to punish the people responsible while not hurting the general population.
 
2014-03-21 08:27:29 AM  
I think they're bewildered that we think sanctions will have any influence on Putin.

/so am I
 
2014-03-21 08:28:19 AM  
The sanctions will unify Russia and give Putin prestige among all the countries and people who have issues with the US. Great going US. You just did exactly what Putin was expecting you to do.Of course, it only takes a room temperature IQ to figure out how the US would respond. Tomorrow, Ric Romero will report that the sanctions aren't having the effects that the US hoped for.
 
2014-03-21 08:28:39 AM  

MugzyBrown: What is the legal connection between some of these seemingly non-governmental Russians and being sanctioned for Crimea?

Those sanctions seem inappropriate to me.


Sanctions do generally seem stupid to me, especially when we could crush Gazprom's stock price by rushing LNG exports, but these seem better than the sanctions against Iran which appear to mainly hurt the poor and children.
 
2014-03-21 08:28:46 AM  

MugzyBrown: What is the legal connection between some of these seemingly non-governmental Russians and being sanctioned for Crimea?

Those sanctions seem inappropriate to me.


The people (and entities) who were sanctioned are the ones with enough power to pressure the government.

Unless you'd rather start WWIII, the best place to hit a country like Russia is it's pocketbook.
 
2014-03-21 08:29:13 AM  
Want shiat to become real?

Have Putin fark with Koch money.
 
2014-03-21 08:29:42 AM  

Muta: WTF Indeed: It's easy to sanction a government run by a handful of business owners and mob bosses.

It is probably one of the few time when you can target the sanctions to punish the people responsible while not hurting the general population.


Oh it will hurt the general population. Do you really think guys used to buying yachts the size of WWII aircraft carriers are going to say "Well, I've got less money now that I can't do business in the US and EU, so I'll just take less from myself to ensure the population isn't effected."? Hell now, they are going to the gouge the fark out of the general population.
 
2014-03-21 08:30:18 AM  

MugzyBrown: What is the legal connection between some of these seemingly non-governmental Russians and being sanctioned for Crimea?

Those sanctions seem inappropriate to me.


There's no such thing as a non-governmental Russian billionaire. This is what happens when you institutionalize corruption so that it becomes a framework for your body politic.
 
2014-03-21 08:30:37 AM  

bborchar: MugzyBrown: What is the legal connection between some of these seemingly non-governmental Russians and being sanctioned for Crimea?

Those sanctions seem inappropriate to me.

The people (and entities) who were sanctioned are the ones with enough power to pressure the government.

Unless you'd rather start WWIII, the best place to hit a country like Russia is it's pocketbook.


*its, not it's...farking hate the autocorrect on my phone.
 
2014-03-21 08:30:39 AM  

WTF Indeed: It's easy to sanction a government run by a handful of business owners and mob bosses.


But enough of the Republican Party. This isn't the politics tab and we're talking about Russia here.
 
2014-03-21 08:31:15 AM  
Ok, why is the news covering the missing airplane so much more than the Ukraine? I get hours of 'we still don't know anything about the flight' interrupted with one liners about major developments about Ukraine.
 
2014-03-21 08:32:04 AM  

MugzyBrown: What is the legal connection between some of these seemingly non-governmental Russians and being sanctioned for Crimea?

Those sanctions seem inappropriate to me.


The Russian government is more pliable if you punish the oligarchs rather than deprive the people of food, medicine, business etc...

I wonder what would happen if Russia could seperate the Kochs from their money.
 
2014-03-21 08:32:16 AM  

MugzyBrown: What is the legal connection between some of these seemingly non-governmental Russians and being sanctioned for Crimea?

Those sanctions seem inappropriate to me.


These are perfect sanctions, they're targeted not to hit the Russian people while hurting the people at the top.  All of these guys have gotten rich through corruption and cronyism, now the US and the EU are threatening to take away all the goodies and perks of being rich.  Having a $100 million mansion in London is great until it gets seized.  If these guys start losing far more than they stand to gain from looting Crimea, they'll back down.
 
2014-03-21 08:33:41 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: Want shiat to become real?

Have Putin fark with Koch money.


I'd give Putin a load of my cock money.

/has no cock money
 
2014-03-21 08:34:51 AM  

bborchar: MugzyBrown: What is the legal connection between some of these seemingly non-governmental Russians and being sanctioned for Crimea?

Those sanctions seem inappropriate to me.

The people (and entities) who were sanctioned are the ones with enough power to pressure the government.

Unless you'd rather start WWIII, the best place to hit a country like Russia is it's pocketbook.


What's to stop Russia from kicking out or nationalizing all of the US businesses in Russia right now? Pepsi, Exxon, etc.

They fund the US gov't (legally and probably illegally).
 
2014-03-21 08:35:03 AM  

the_cnidarian: I wonder what would happen if Russia could seperate the Kochs from their money.


cdn.thewire.com

"I'd still have a career?"
 
2014-03-21 08:35:44 AM  
I guess I will cancel my Russian vacation. It was either Siberia or Montana. But I always wanted to see Montana.
 
2014-03-21 08:35:51 AM  
Well, the Frogs and us go way back, and despite our quarrels, we both owe each other a debt of friendship. Meanwhile, Putin, the best we think of your country is Boris and Natasha.

/Lafayette, we are here
 
2014-03-21 08:36:53 AM  
I wonder if they're still comforted by Tupac?

/thats what you get
 
2014-03-21 08:37:08 AM  

MugzyBrown: What's to stop Russia from kicking out or nationalizing all of the US businesses in Russia right now? Pepsi, Exxon, etc.


This ain't the Soviet Union anymore, and Pepsi? Really?
 
2014-03-21 08:37:46 AM  
Will this affect Vodka?

/asking for a friend
 
2014-03-21 08:37:49 AM  
Man, I clicked the link just hoping that someone said, "Freedom Stew" and left disappointed.   I think I'm gonna start calling it that anyway.
 
2014-03-21 08:38:47 AM  
If only there was an effective way to deal with a bully.
 
2014-03-21 08:39:09 AM  
Russian stock market took a tumble on the news for those of you who would say Obama tactics are weak and we want a president who runs around acting tough.
 
2014-03-21 08:43:28 AM  
Putin told everyone he was doing to do this. Just rewatch the Opening and Closing Ceremonies. It's right there.

Now if you will excuse me, I have gold to buy, ammo to stock up on and a radiator to piss in.
 
2014-03-21 08:43:41 AM  

monoski: Russian stock market took a tumble on the news for those of you who would say Obama tactics are weak and we want a president who runs around acting tough.


oooo, that'll learn 'em. They will surely cave now that their portfolios took a percentage point hit! That Obama is a bad ass.

I bet they cave much faster than Iran did over their nuclear program.
 
2014-03-21 08:45:53 AM  
Good concept but poor execution. To really make it work you need something with "Russian" in, like calling Russian dressing "freedom dressing".
Yeah. I'm that freakin' guy.
 
2014-03-21 08:46:28 AM  
These sanctions plus $3 will get you a cup of coffee. Since when did Putin give a rats ass about public opinion or economic hardship? The only language he understands comes from the barrel of a gun.
 
2014-03-21 08:46:34 AM  

WTF Indeed: MugzyBrown: What's to stop Russia from kicking out or nationalizing all of the US businesses in Russia right now? Pepsi, Exxon, etc.

This ain't the Soviet Union anymore, and Pepsi? Really?


I'd be happy if they took Pepsi...
 
2014-03-21 08:48:33 AM  

monoski: Russian stock market took a tumble on the news for those of you who would say Obama tactics are weak and we want a president who runs around acting tough.


I decided a long time ago that the current administration will be best judged by the historians, per usual.

The swirling vortex of teeth gnashing, whining, and complaining--regardless of the course of action--is just too big.
 
2014-03-21 08:50:03 AM  
I can't wait to see them open the new NATO base in Kiev.
 
2014-03-21 08:50:07 AM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Good concept but poor execution. To really make it work you need something with "Russian" in, like calling Russian dressing "freedom dressing".
Yeah. I'm that freakin' guy.


i.imgur.com

Could use a White Freedom about now.

/wait, that didn't come out right.....
 
2014-03-21 08:52:30 AM  
And Fark Independents continue to root for the US to fail.

Stay classy
 
2014-03-21 08:52:44 AM  

WTF Indeed: Muta: WTF Indeed: It's easy to sanction a government run by a handful of business owners and mob bosses.

It is probably one of the few time when you can target the sanctions to punish the people responsible while not hurting the general population.

Oh it will hurt the general population. Do you really think guys used to buying yachts the size of WWII aircraft carriers are going to say "Well, I've got less money now that I can't do business in the US and EU, so I'll just take less from myself to ensure the population isn't effected."? Hell now, they are going to the gouge the fark out of the general population.


Yes, but nobody's going to care about that until a Republican is president.

/Clinton imposed sanctions on Saddam Hussein
//nobody screamed about sanctions starving Iraqi babies until Dubya was elected
///isn't it great how sanctions can be used as propaganda weapons against both foreign and domestic "enemies?"
 
2014-03-21 08:54:11 AM  

lelio: These sanctions plus $3 will get you a cup of coffee. Since when did Putin give a rats ass about public opinion or economic hardship? The only language he understands comes from the barrel of a gun.


I hear the oligarchs in Russia have a lot of guns and aren't shy about pointing their barrels.
 
2014-03-21 08:54:53 AM  
I like Freedom dressing on my salad.
 
2014-03-21 08:55:13 AM  

Tricky Chicken: Ok, why is the news covering the missing airplane so much more than the Ukraine? I get hours of 'we still don't know anything about the flight' interrupted with one liners about major developments about Ukraine.


Because the Ukraine issue is a complex geo-political economic issue that has no clear "good guy" and no clear "winner".  The missing plane is an easy issue and fascinates the mouth breathing portion of our population. Where as Ukraine just confuses them, because really who cares what one group of commies does to another group of commies.
 
2014-03-21 08:55:17 AM  

hoodiowithtudio: politique. This man is becoming Stalin redux.


Only if you know nothing about Stalin
 
2014-03-21 08:55:54 AM  

lelio: These sanctions plus $3 will get you a cup of coffee. Since when did Putin give a rats ass about public opinion or economic hardship? The only language he understands comes from the barrel of a gun.


The sanctions are hitting the oligarchs that are supporting the Russian government.  How long would it take the US to capitulate if the government did something that caused other countries to freeze or seize the assets of the Kochs, George Sorros, the Kennedys, and the Bushes?  I'm guessing minutes.
 
2014-03-21 08:56:10 AM  
Damn! My img.fark.nethopes of flying this are over
 
2014-03-21 08:56:28 AM  

Epic Fap Session: And Fark Independents continue to root for the US to fail.

Stay classy


Rock bottom baby.  Gotta hit it first before you can build yourself back up
 
2014-03-21 08:57:27 AM  

Fano: Well, the Frogs and us go way back, and despite our quarrels, we both owe each other a debt of friendship. Meanwhile, Putin, the best we think of your country is Boris and Natasha.

/Lafayette, we are here


No, you got that wrong. The best we think of Russia is Catherine the Great and her penchant to fark horses. Either that or Rasputin the undying and his penchant to fark princes.
 
2014-03-21 08:57:44 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Good concept but poor execution. To really make it work you need something with "Russian" in, like calling Russian dressing "freedom dressing".
Yeah. I'm that freakin' guy.



Could use a White Freedom about now.

/wait, that didn't come out right.....


the term you're looking for is "Caucasian"
 
2014-03-21 08:58:02 AM  
I WISH that were an actual quote.  I might just make it a point to have a white freedom later tonight.
 
2014-03-21 08:58:05 AM  

the_cnidarian: MugzyBrown: What is the legal connection between some of these seemingly non-governmental Russians and being sanctioned for Crimea?

Those sanctions seem inappropriate to me.

The Russian government is more pliable if you punish the oligarchs rather than deprive the people of food, medicine, business etc...

I wonder what would happen if Russia could seperate the Kochs from their money.


I think a lot of people would cheer.

/then grumble about where it went
 
2014-03-21 08:58:36 AM  

lelio: These sanctions plus $3 will get you a cup of coffee. Since when did Putin give a rats ass about public opinion or economic hardship? The only language he understands comes from the barrel of a gun.


Bwhahahahahahahahah! You are a sad caricature of an 80's tough guy, go back to your action movies about "bad" Soviets and leave the discussion to the adults.
 
2014-03-21 08:58:49 AM  

Tricky Chicken: oooo, that'll learn 'em. They will surely cave now that their portfolios took a percentage point hit! That Obama is a bad ass.


The Russian indexes are down 25% since this started.    If the American indexes were down 25%, we'd be in another world recession/financial crises.
 
2014-03-21 08:59:40 AM  

Tatterdemalian: WTF Indeed: Muta: WTF Indeed: It's easy to sanction a government run by a handful of business owners and mob bosses.

It is probably one of the few time when you can target the sanctions to punish the people responsible while not hurting the general population.

Oh it will hurt the general population. Do you really think guys used to buying yachts the size of WWII aircraft carriers are going to say "Well, I've got less money now that I can't do business in the US and EU, so I'll just take less from myself to ensure the population isn't effected."? Hell now, they are going to the gouge the fark out of the general population.

Yes, but nobody's going to care about that until a Republican is president.

/Clinton imposed sanctions on Saddam Hussein
//nobody screamed about sanctions starving Iraqi babies until Dubya was elected
///isn't it great how sanctions can be used as propaganda weapons against both foreign and domestic "enemies?"


You might try some "freedom roulette."
 
2014-03-21 09:03:41 AM  

Tricky Chicken: Ok, why is the news covering the missing airplane so much more than the Ukraine? I get hours of 'we still don't know anything about the flight' interrupted with one liners about major developments about Ukraine.


Because a piece of shiat Boeing scattered all over the ocean is less embarrassing than the revelation that there are countries we're afraid to terrorize with bombs and missiles.
The world already knows we can't build airplanes. But if someone stands up to a bully and the bully backs down, the bully is going to have to pay a lot more for bananas and coffee beans. And wouldn't it be interesting if the bully's new found energy independence is revealed to be a lot of bluff at the same time.

So yeah, better find that plane. Maybe the next American Idol winner is on board, alive and well.
 
2014-03-21 09:05:18 AM  

Slaves2Darkness: Tricky Chicken: Ok, why is the news covering the missing airplane so much more than the Ukraine? I get hours of 'we still don't know anything about the flight' interrupted with one liners about major developments about Ukraine.

Because the Ukraine issue is a complex geo-political economic issue that has no clear "good guy" and no clear "winner".  The missing plane is an easy issue and fascinates the mouth breathing portion of our population. Where as Ukraine just confuses them, because really who cares what one group of commies does to another group of commies.


But even on a simple view of the amount of available content, It makes no sense.  They are filling hour upon hour about the plane saying the exact same level of nothing. It is missing and we are still looking can only be rephrased so many times.

But there have been loads of developments in Ukraine. There are history angles to explore, demographic differences in the area to examine. Resource availability to discuss. Local military capability to explain. Geographic importance to point out. I havent heard a wit about the charge of the light brigade, and I am wearing a cardigan right now.

Ukraine seems to be a much more rich topic to explore.
 
2014-03-21 09:07:42 AM  

Epic Fap Session: And Fark Independents continue to root for the US to fail.

Stay classy


When the US gave the finger to the world and sanity and invaded Iraq, I was against it. But I never actively rooted for the US to fail. Are you telling me that the people who called me traitor, plastered their cars with magnets and flags and hated my existence are against our Government's decisions now?
 
2014-03-21 09:09:21 AM  
Once again, Obama plays patty-cake while Global Chessmaster Putin consolidates his ranks into a formidable front of oil oligarchs and gargantuan gas investments.  Obama's hippie hatred of freedom fracking has imperiled our allies and emboldened the enemy.  Libutardo libulardos are outmatched by my awesomely alliterative righteously right right-wing talking points!
 
2014-03-21 09:09:32 AM  

RevCarter: the term you're looking for is "Caucasian"


You do know where the Caucasus region is, right?
 
2014-03-21 09:10:00 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Damn! My [img.fark.net image 850x640]hopes of flying this are over


The AN-225 is actually owned by a Ukrainian government-owned corporation.
 
2014-03-21 09:10:51 AM  

incendi: RevCarter: the term you're looking for is "Caucasian"

You do know where the Caucasus region is, right?


In the pelvis?
 
2014-03-21 09:11:06 AM  

WTF Indeed: Muta: WTF Indeed: It's easy to sanction a government run by a handful of business owners and mob bosses.

It is probably one of the few time when you can target the sanctions to punish the people responsible while not hurting the general population.

Oh it will hurt the general population. Do you really think guys used to buying yachts the size of WWII aircraft carriers are going to say "Well, I've got less money now that I can't do business in the US and EU, so I'll just take less from myself to ensure the population isn't effected."? Hell now, they are going to the gouge the fark out of the general population.


Agreed. However it does add to the weight of propaganda the Russia is weighing itself down with. These noble patriots aren't willing to shoulder the burden of their actions, instead choosing tiny giraffes over hard working Russians, so they have to dedicate time and resources to deflecting the blame that would naturally come to them. That takes away from time and resources doing other things, adds a layer of frustration on the top end and generally makes everyone miserable.

Will it work? That depends on Russians. So who the hell knows?
 
2014-03-21 09:11:11 AM  

Tricky Chicken: Ukraine seems to be a much more rich topic to explore.


I'm pretty sure they haven't had any actual researchers on staff in a few years. If an unpaid intern can't google it, it's too complicated.
 
2014-03-21 09:12:13 AM  

Tricky Chicken: Slaves2Darkness: Tricky Chicken: Ok, why is the news covering the missing airplane so much more than the Ukraine? I get hours of 'we still don't know anything about the flight' interrupted with one liners about major developments about Ukraine.

Because the Ukraine issue is a complex geo-political economic issue that has no clear "good guy" and no clear "winner".  The missing plane is an easy issue and fascinates the mouth breathing portion of our population. Where as Ukraine just confuses them, because really who cares what one group of commies does to another group of commies.

But even on a simple view of the amount of available content, It makes no sense.  They are filling hour upon hour about the plane saying the exact same level of nothing. It is missing and we are still looking can only be rephrased so many times.

But there have been loads of developments in Ukraine. There are history angles to explore, demographic differences in the area to examine. Resource availability to discuss. Local military capability to explain. Geographic importance to point out. I havent heard a wit about the charge of the light brigade, and I am wearing a cardigan right now.

Ukraine seems to be a much more rich topic to explore.


He already said "because people are stupid." Stop questioning him, or you'll be labeled stupid too.
 
2014-03-21 09:13:06 AM  
As usually I see a lot of conservatives biatching and criticizing. Not seeing a lot of suggestions for alternatives.

If you guys are so gung-ho to go to war, then stop being pussies and come right out and admit it.
 
2014-03-21 09:13:33 AM  
Let's face it, unless the sanctions hit the billionaire mobsters running the country directly, they won't give a flip.
 
2014-03-21 09:14:25 AM  

macadamnut: Tricky Chicken: Ok, why is the news covering the missing airplane so much more than the Ukraine? I get hours of 'we still don't know anything about the flight' interrupted with one liners about major developments about Ukraine.

Because a piece of shiat Boeing scattered all over the ocean is less embarrassing than the revelation that there are countries we're afraid to terrorize with bombs and missiles.
The world already knows we can't build airplanes. But if someone stands up to a bully and the bully backs down, the bully is going to have to pay a lot more for bananas and coffee beans. And wouldn't it be interesting if the bully's new found energy independence is revealed to be a lot of bluff at the same time.

So yeah, better find that plane. Maybe the next American Idol winner is on board, alive and well.


International geopolitics isn't the same as a schoolyard. This isn't a revelation, no two Great Powers have directly fought since WWII and none of them want to fight each other directly now as history typically has both parties in such a fight lose economic and political standing for at least 50 years after. Modern wars between major political players are fought more with money and information than soldiers and guns. The costs are too great.
 
2014-03-21 09:14:41 AM  

RevCarter: the term you're looking for is "Caucasian"


Dangnangit.  You're right, of course.  (I haven't committed the whole movie to memory like most people have.)
 
2014-03-21 09:15:46 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: Epic Fap Session: And Fark Independents continue to root for the US to fail.

Stay classy

Rock bottom baby.  Gotta hit it first before you can build yourself back up


Thank you for being honest. I guess a global economic crash and the largest recession since the Great Depression weren't "rock bottom" enough for you since Republican policies during a Republican Administration caused it.

COUNTRY FIRST!
 
2014-03-21 09:16:16 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: I think they're bewildered that we think sanctions will have any influence on Putin.

/so am I


The MICEX index has basically wiped about 70+ billion dollars worth of value off of the American markets.

The 2% projected GDP increase has basically been wiped out - it is likely that 2014 will see no GDP increase and stay flat, or even a mild decline.

Bank Rossiya, which handles banking for many of Russia's oligarchs and handles Gazprom's pensions, has been frozen out of most international transactions.

Bank Rossiya and another Russia bank no longer have access to Visa and Mastercard to handle credit card transactions, so hundreds of thousands of Russians can no longer use their bank cards or ATMs.

The Russian Ruble dropped almost 10% against the dollar, which means everything they import is now more expensive than it was.

Standard & Poors and Moody's Analytics have downgraded Russia's investment prospects and credit ratings, which means bonds will cost Russia more and investors will be less likely to invest there.

Foreign investors have already withdrawn nearly 35 billion investment dollars from Russia in the last two weeks and that could increase to something like 50 billion a quarter if the sanctions continue.

Russia lost several weapons contracts with the UK and France, which means they're not going to get the weapons system they need to upgrade their military.

Several of the oligarchs are locked out of their US assets (bank accounts, property, etc.).

In the longer term, if Europe is no longer as sure a market for Russian gas, then they are forced rely on China to conduct business. China will no doubt use the leverage to gouge as cheap a gas price as they can.
 
2014-03-21 09:16:33 AM  

Tatterdemalian: Tricky Chicken: Slaves2Darkness: Tricky Chicken: Ok, why is the news covering the missing airplane so much more than the Ukraine? I get hours of 'we still don't know anything about the flight' interrupted with one liners about major developments about Ukraine.

Because the Ukraine issue is a complex geo-political economic issue that has no clear "good guy" and no clear "winner".  The missing plane is an easy issue and fascinates the mouth breathing portion of our population. Where as Ukraine just confuses them, because really who cares what one group of commies does to another group of commies.

But even on a simple view of the amount of available content, It makes no sense.  They are filling hour upon hour about the plane saying the exact same level of nothing. It is missing and we are still looking can only be rephrased so many times.

But there have been loads of developments in Ukraine. There are history angles to explore, demographic differences in the area to examine. Resource availability to discuss. Local military capability to explain. Geographic importance to point out. I havent heard a wit about the charge of the light brigade, and I am wearing a cardigan right now.

Ukraine seems to be a much more rich topic to explore.

He already said "because people are stupid." Stop questioning him, or you'll be labeled stupid too.


Heh.

The 'average viewer' has a fairly short attention span. Doing anything other than offering simple views on what is going on will cause them to flip the channel. This is what the media outlets fear. This is where the newspaper is still king of. This is where someone needs to figure out how to educate people with their online editions in a way that keeps their attention.
 
2014-03-21 09:16:58 AM  
the Ukraine should vote to annex Russia then have everyone in the western world recognize it

change all the maps to replace Russia with Ukraine
 
2014-03-21 09:17:06 AM  

RexTalionis: The MICEX index has basically wiped about 70+ billion dollars worth of value off of the American Russian markets.


FTFM
 
2014-03-21 09:17:18 AM  

Ker_Thwap: Let's face it, unless the sanctions hit the billionaire mobsters running the country directly, they won't give a flip.


I thought I heard they did sanction a bunch of oligarchs directly... ?
 
2014-03-21 09:18:03 AM  

Tricky Chicken: Slaves2Darkness: Tricky Chicken: Ok, why is the news covering the missing airplane so much more than the Ukraine? I get hours of 'we still don't know anything about the flight' interrupted with one liners about major developments about Ukraine.

Because the Ukraine issue is a complex geo-political economic issue that has no clear "good guy" and no clear "winner".  The missing plane is an easy issue and fascinates the mouth breathing portion of our population. Where as Ukraine just confuses them, because really who cares what one group of commies does to another group of commies.

But even on a simple view of the amount of available content, It makes no sense.  They are filling hour upon hour about the plane saying the exact same level of nothing. It is missing and we are still looking can only be rephrased so many times.

But there have been loads of developments in Ukraine. There are history angles to explore, demographic differences in the area to examine. Resource availability to discuss. Local military capability to explain. Geographic importance to point out. I havent heard a wit about the charge of the light brigade, and I am wearing a cardigan right now.

Ukraine seems to be a much more rich topic to explore.


Forget it Jake, it's Mediatown
 
2014-03-21 09:18:27 AM  

Tatterdemalian: WTF Indeed: Muta: WTF Indeed: It's easy to sanction a government run by a handful of business owners and mob bosses.

It is probably one of the few time when you can target the sanctions to punish the people responsible while not hurting the general population.

Oh it will hurt the general population. Do you really think guys used to buying yachts the size of WWII aircraft carriers are going to say "Well, I've got less money now that I can't do business in the US and EU, so I'll just take less from myself to ensure the population isn't effected."? Hell now, they are going to the gouge the fark out of the general population.

Yes, but nobody's going to care about that until a Republican is president.

/Clinton imposed sanctions on Saddam Hussein
//nobody screamed about sanctions starving Iraqi babies until Dubya was elected
///isn't it great how sanctions can be used as propaganda weapons against both foreign and domestic "enemies?"


Actually I and many other people were very vocal about that.

You see decent people understand bastard behaviour, regardless of who does it.
 
2014-03-21 09:19:55 AM  

RexTalionis: Tyrone Slothrop: I think they're bewildered that we think sanctions will have any influence on Putin.

/so am I

The MICEX index has basically wiped about 70+ billion dollars worth of value off of the American markets.

The 2% projected GDP increase has basically been wiped out - it is likely that 2014 will see no GDP increase and stay flat, or even a mild decline.

Bank Rossiya, which handles banking for many of Russia's oligarchs and handles Gazprom's pensions, has been frozen out of most international transactions.

Bank Rossiya and another Russia bank no longer have access to Visa and Mastercard to handle credit card transactions, so hundreds of thousands of Russians can no longer use their bank cards or ATMs.

The Russian Ruble dropped almost 10% against the dollar, which means everything they import is now more expensive than it was.

Standard & Poors and Moody's Analytics have downgraded Russia's investment prospects and credit ratings, which means bonds will cost Russia more and investors will be less likely to invest there.

Foreign investors have already withdrawn nearly 35 billion investment dollars from Russia in the last two weeks and that could increase to something like 50 billion a quarter if the sanctions continue.

Russia lost several weapons contracts with the UK and France, which means they're not going to get the weapons system they need to upgrade their military.

Several of the oligarchs are locked out of their US assets (bank accounts, property, etc.).

In the longer term, if Europe is no longer as sure a market for Russian gas, then they are forced rely on China to conduct business. China will no doubt use the leverage to gouge as cheap a gas price as they can.


That's soft power, and everyone knows soft power doesn't work!
 
2014-03-21 09:20:01 AM  
I think the sanctions are about the best Obama could do.  It's a shiatty situation.  And I think they have a better than expected chance of effecting change.  Beats going to war, and beats not doing anything.

Epic Fap Session: And Fark Independents continue to root for the US to fail.

Stay classy


This comment is in every thread about Crimea.  Notable absent from every thread about Crimea are comments where Fark independents root for the US to fail.  You guys have really taken your savior's "There are those..." strategy to a whole new level.

Nadie_AZ: When the US gave the finger to the world and sanity and invaded Iraq, I was against it. But I never actively rooted for the US to fail. Are you telling me that the people who called me traitor, plastered their cars with magnets and flags and hated my existence are against our Government's decisions now?


I'm sure this really happened.  Like the Vietnam Vets who were spit on.
 
2014-03-21 09:20:25 AM  

Old enough to know better: As usually I see a lot of conservatives biatching and criticizing. Not seeing a lot of suggestions for alternatives.

If you guys are so gung-ho to go to war, then stop being pussies and come right out and admit it.


The closest I see to them coming out and saying it is the few who are calling for the Ukraine to be fast tracked into NATO, knowing full well that it would drive Putin over the edge. Then Russia fires first and we're fighting a war of Russian aggression.
 
2014-03-21 09:22:30 AM  

WTF Indeed: That's soft power, and everyone knows soft power doesn't work!


On the one hand, no one is intimidated by a flaccid penis. On the other, nobody wants one rubbed all over everything in their fridge, either.
 
2014-03-21 09:23:59 AM  

lelio: These sanctions plus $3 will get you a cup of coffee. Since when did Putin give a rats ass about public opinion or economic hardship? The only language he understands comes from the barrel of a gun.


Except for the fact that many Russian people are wising up to Putin.  1000's protested against the Crimea stuff - barely reported anywhere, but it did happen (and it takes balls to protest in Russia.)

If we reacted militarily too hard/quickly it would enable Putin (not that he needs much motivation) too go hard core, clamp down internally and go big guns externally.  Yes he would lose, but Russia is a big place and it takes waaaaay too long to conquer it.

And of all the nutbags with the potentional to create a nuclear exchange ... this topless, small-dick fark is probably one of the worse we have ever had to worry about (he is very much a shadow of Stalin,in that he doesn't really care about the Russian people just 'Russia'.)
 
2014-03-21 09:25:18 AM  

Techhell: Old enough to know better: As usually I see a lot of conservatives biatching and criticizing. Not seeing a lot of suggestions for alternatives.

If you guys are so gung-ho to go to war, then stop being pussies and come right out and admit it.

The closest I see to them coming out and saying it is the few who are calling for the Ukraine to be fast tracked into NATO, knowing full well that it would drive Putin over the edge. Then Russia fires first and we're fighting a war of Russian aggression.


You seriously think Putin attacks Ukraine simply for joining NATO?
 
2014-03-21 09:25:21 AM  

Nadie_AZ: Tatterdemalian: Tricky Chicken: Slaves2Darkness: Tricky Chicken: Ok, why is the news covering the missing airplane so much more than the Ukraine? I get hours of 'we still don't know anything about the flight' interrupted with one liners about major developments about Ukraine.

Because the Ukraine issue is a complex geo-political economic issue that has no clear "good guy" and no clear "winner".  The missing plane is an easy issue and fascinates the mouth breathing portion of our population. Where as Ukraine just confuses them, because really who cares what one group of commies does to another group of commies.

But even on a simple view of the amount of available content, It makes no sense.  They are filling hour upon hour about the plane saying the exact same level of nothing. It is missing and we are still looking can only be rephrased so many times.

But there have been loads of developments in Ukraine. There are history angles to explore, demographic differences in the area to examine. Resource availability to discuss. Local military capability to explain. Geographic importance to point out. I havent heard a wit about the charge of the light brigade, and I am wearing a cardigan right now.

Ukraine seems to be a much more rich topic to explore.

He already said "because people are stupid." Stop questioning him, or you'll be labeled stupid too.

Heh.

The 'average viewer' has a fairly short attention span. Doing anything other than offering simple views on what is going on will cause them to flip the channel. This is what the media outlets fear. This is where the newspaper is still king of. This is where someone needs to figure out how to educate people with their online editions in a way that keeps their attention.


I just took a look at CNN.com, and they have the plane as the number one story and the Ukraine as a bit smaller secondary story.  So I figured, Fox would be trying to spin the Ukraine as a way to say Obama is looking bad.  But they don't even have the story on their main page.

I'm not saying that I don't feel sorry for those lost on the flight or their families, but the fate of an entire country is being played out before our eyes. I honestly cannot figure out why this is played off as such a non-story.

It isn't affecting black people like Uganda, Rawanda, and Liberia, so that isn't why we are ignoring it this time.
It isn't brown people like we ignored Bolivia.

Wait, they don't have oil. That might be it.
 
2014-03-21 09:25:50 AM  
A guy I work with was born and raised in what was then Leningrad, and moved to the states in 1990, now an American citizen. I was talking to him in the break room about this. He had an interesting take on these sanctions. He said, something like this:

"There's something missing from a lot of the news we're hearing. Both sides won't say. A lot of the wealthy Russians have investments in the same businesses Americans do. They buy American company, stocks, everything. But a lot of wealthy criminal Russians used to be in the mob. They still are mob, but they take crime money and put it in legitimate investments. Not laundering money anymore. The money is too old. But they are still doing tricky things to legitimate stocks and investments like they did with illegal activities. This bothers wealthy Americans, and some Russians. But we do not see mob in the news. If no mention of mob in Russian news, they are involved. Putin gets pressure from wealthy Americans and Russians to stop the mob, but the mob pressures Putin, too. They help him sometimes. The President is probably using sanctions that hurt the mob so Putin will be stuck. Some may even hurt wealthy people secretly working with mob, but they cannot say, so they get mad. They are mad at US, but they want Putin to fix it. Putin cannot fix it without acknowledging mob. He is in trouble."
 
2014-03-21 09:26:00 AM  

incendi: WTF Indeed: That's soft power, and everyone knows soft power doesn't work!

On the one hand, no one is intimidated by a flaccid penis. On the other, nobody wants one rubbed all over everything in their fridge, either.


... uh oh.
 
2014-03-21 09:31:21 AM  

WTF Indeed: It's easy to sanction a government run by a handful of business owners and mob bosses.


This! Just hope we can extract the members of Pussy Riot to a safe country before Iron Curtain II drops.
 
2014-03-21 09:32:13 AM  

FLMountainMan: Nadie_AZ: When the US gave the finger to the world and sanity and invaded Iraq, I was against it. But I never actively rooted for the US to fail. Are you telling me that the people who called me traitor, plastered their cars with magnets and flags and hated my existence are against our Government's decisions now?

I'm sure this really happened. Like the Vietnam Vets who were spit on.



You know, it wasn't that long ago and I certainly remembered people who did make this argument.

"To those who pit Americans against immigrants, and citizens against non-citizens; to those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty; my message is this: Your tactics only aid terrorists - for they erode our national unity and diminish our resolve. They give ammunition to America's enemies, and pause to America's friends. They encourage people of good will to remain silent in the face of evil. "

- John Ashcroft, Testimony before Senate Judiciary Committee, 12/6/2001
http://www.justice.gov/archive/ag/testimony/2001/1206transcriptsenat ej udiciarycommittee.htm

"Going even further, White House communications director Dan Bartlett told the Washington Post Friday that Thursday's statements by Democrats "are exactly what our opponents, our enemies, want us to do." This is the most direct statement by an administration official to date suggesting that dissent aids the enemy."

http://www.salon.com/2002/05/21/dissent_6/
 
2014-03-21 09:32:21 AM  

MugzyBrown: What's to stop Russia from kicking out or nationalizing all of the US businesses in Russia right now? Pepsi, Exxon, etc.

They fund the US gov't (legally and probably illegally).


They might just do that, and I think Pepsi, Exxon would survive as a company. Its happened before (Germany nationalized a bunch of US companies in its borders), its just the price of doing international business.
 
2014-03-21 09:36:00 AM  

FLMountainMan: This comment is in every thread about Crimea. Notable absent from every thread about Crimea are comments where Fark independents root for the US to fail. You guys have really taken your savior's "There are those..." strategy to a whole new level.


Oddly, I seem to recall a lot of Fark Indys such as yourself droning on how weak Obama was, how great and awesome Putin is, how Russia was justified in invading, how Ukraine was selling weapons to the Taliban, how bad the liberals are going to be pissed when their Messiah fails again, etc etc.
 
2014-03-21 09:36:35 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Damn! My [img.fark.net image 850x640]hopes of flying this are over


I've been inside one - it's huge but essentially just a big tube - start loading it up though and moving as fast as possible it takes forever.
Glide path of a rock.  What's also impressive is the runway it needs and the fuel it takes.
 
2014-03-21 09:37:06 AM  
To the people who think Obama is a weak leader and is handling this situation poorly, what do you think he should be doing? I'm genuinely curious. What could he do tomorrow that would make you come in here and say "Great job Obama"?
 
2014-03-21 09:42:05 AM  

JoieD'Zen: Will this affect Vodka?

/asking for a friend


Who cares? We make that shiat in Texas these days.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-03-21 09:44:28 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: FLMountainMan: This comment is in every thread about Crimea. Notable absent from every thread about Crimea are comments where Fark independents root for the US to fail. You guys have really taken your savior's "There are those..." strategy to a whole new level.

Oddly, I seem to recall a lot of Fark Indys such as yourself droning on how weak Obama was, how great and awesome Putin is, how Russia was justified in invading, how Ukraine was selling weapons to the Taliban, how bad the liberals are going to be pissed when their Messiah fails again, etc etc.


And I'm sure you can find those easily, right?  I'm sure it's not just one or two trolls that you've turned into gigantic strawmen.  Because I'm on the record as saying Obama was in a no-win situation and I wouldn't want to trade places with him for anything.  I have mentioned my low opinion of John Kerry as Sec of State, and Obama did hire him, but I don't think Kerry's competence, or lack thereof, has had any impact on the Crimean situation.

I'm actually pleasantly surprised at the severity of the sanctions.  I think it's about the best strategy he could have devised and very commendable.
 
2014-03-21 09:46:17 AM  

birchman: To the people who think Obama is a weak leader and is handling this situation poorly, what do you think he should be doing? I'm genuinely curious. What could he do tomorrow that would make you come in here and say "Great job Obama"?


In before "Step down and let a Real Republican Man be president".
 
2014-03-21 09:46:53 AM  

RexTalionis: FLMountainMan: Nadie_AZ: When the US gave the finger to the world and sanity and invaded Iraq, I was against it. But I never actively rooted for the US to fail. Are you telling me that the people who called me traitor, plastered their cars with magnets and flags and hated my existence are against our Government's decisions now?

I'm sure this really happened. Like the Vietnam Vets who were spit on.


You know, it wasn't that long ago and I certainly remembered people who did make this argument.

"To those who pit Americans against immigrants, and citizens against non-citizens; to those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty; my message is this: Your tactics only aid terrorists - for they erode our national unity and diminish our resolve. They give ammunition to America's enemies, and pause to America's friends. They encourage people of good will to remain silent in the face of evil. "

- John Ashcroft, Testimony before Senate Judiciary Committee, 12/6/2001
http://www.justice.gov/archive/ag/testimony/2001/1206transcriptsenat ej udiciarycommittee.htm

"Going even further, White House communications director Dan Bartlett told the Washington Post Friday that Thursday's statements by Democrats "are exactly what our opponents, our enemies, want us to do." This is the most direct statement by an administration official to date suggesting that dissent aids the enemy."

http://www.salon.com/2002/05/21/dissent_6/


Fair enough.  You mean politicians' have called people with your same position on that issue "traitors".  And that offended you.  You've not personally been called a traitor. And FWIW, you never said you had been, I just interpreted it that way.
 
2014-03-21 09:49:41 AM  

birchman: To the people who think Obama is a weak leader and is handling this situation poorly, what do you think he should be doing? I'm genuinely curious. What could he do tomorrow that would make you come in here and say "Great job Obama"?


He needs to show strength and not weakness.  He needs to show leadership.  Putin has seen how Obama BOWS to our enemies and Putin has taken note.

Also, would it kill Obama to wrestle a wolverine with his shirt off?  I would also accept a badger, but a raccoon is completely unacceptable.
 
2014-03-21 09:50:18 AM  

FLMountainMan:

This comment is in every thread about Crimea.  Notable absent from every thread about Crimea are comments where Fark independents root for the US to fail.  You guys have really taken your savior's "There are those..." strategy to a whole new level.




DRINK.


Frikkin' tard.
 
2014-03-21 09:52:04 AM  

Laobaojun: The sanctions will unify Russia


You really need to read up on Russia's demographics.
 
2014-03-21 09:52:18 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Techhell: Old enough to know better: As usually I see a lot of conservatives biatching and criticizing. Not seeing a lot of suggestions for alternatives.

If you guys are so gung-ho to go to war, then stop being pussies and come right out and admit it.

The closest I see to them coming out and saying it is the few who are calling for the Ukraine to be fast tracked into NATO, knowing full well that it would drive Putin over the edge. Then Russia fires first and we're fighting a war of Russian aggression.

You seriously think Putin attacks Ukraine simply for joining NATO?


Not particularly, but that's the impression I get from the chickenhawks on Fark.

Personally I wouldn't be surprised to find a group of questionable Russian military (like those anonymous gunmen in Crimea who weren't/aren't Russian military wink wink) didn't read between the lines deeply enough and actually fired on NATO forces in the Ukraine. Particularly if there are disputed places like Strilkov and Russian forces have to move through NATO controlled territory for resupply.

Not to say I expect it, but if things are going to hit a shooting war between NATO and Russia, that's where I would look for it to start.
 
2014-03-21 09:52:26 AM  

FLMountainMan: RexTalionis: FLMountainMan: Nadie_AZ: When the US gave the finger to the world and sanity and invaded Iraq, I was against it. But I never actively rooted for the US to fail. Are you telling me that the people who called me traitor, plastered their cars with magnets and flags and hated my existence are against our Government's decisions now?

I'm sure this really happened. Like the Vietnam Vets who were spit on.


You know, it wasn't that long ago and I certainly remembered people who did make this argument.

"To those who pit Americans against immigrants, and citizens against non-citizens; to those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty; my message is this: Your tactics only aid terrorists - for they erode our national unity and diminish our resolve. They give ammunition to America's enemies, and pause to America's friends. They encourage people of good will to remain silent in the face of evil. "

- John Ashcroft, Testimony before Senate Judiciary Committee, 12/6/2001
http://www.justice.gov/archive/ag/testimony/2001/1206transcriptsenat ej udiciarycommittee.htm

"Going even further, White House communications director Dan Bartlett told the Washington Post Friday that Thursday's statements by Democrats "are exactly what our opponents, our enemies, want us to do." This is the most direct statement by an administration official to date suggesting that dissent aids the enemy."

http://www.salon.com/2002/05/21/dissent_6/

Fair enough.  You mean politicians' have called people with your same position on that issue "traitors".  And that offended you.  You've not personally been called a traitor. And FWIW, you never said you had been, I just interpreted it that way.


I was not called a traitor, personally, because at the time, I was much younger and much more conservative.

However, I certainly remember that the charge that being against Bush's war on terror policies means one is a traitor being leveled in the lower levels of public discourse - for instance, on the internet (on Fark, actually, as I recall, by some) and other venues, or in private conversations or protests or whatever.

Also, if you look at John Ashcroft's statement to the Senate Judiciary committee, he was clearly indicating that if you do have those opinions, then you are aiding terrorists and give ammunition to America's enemies. That's clearly being called a traitor.
 
2014-03-21 09:52:42 AM  

FLMountainMan: I'm sure it's not just one or two trolls that you've turned into gigantic strawmen.


obviously there's plenty of people who think and say the things the other poster was mentioning, who do you think is consuming all the right wing media? it's like a multi-billion dollar industry.
 
2014-03-21 09:54:41 AM  

Maud Dib: JoieD'Zen: Will this affect Vodka?

/asking for a friend
Who cares? We make that shiat in Texas these days.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 850x1237]


That shiat is great vodka. I've put people up in blind taste tests with that against grey goose, absolut, ketel one, bel, stoli. Titos always wins.
 
2014-03-21 09:54:53 AM  

Rapmaster2000: birchman: To the people who think Obama is a weak leader and is handling this situation poorly, what do you think he should be doing? I'm genuinely curious. What could he do tomorrow that would make you come in here and say "Great job Obama"?

He needs to show strength and not weakness.  He needs to show leadership.  Putin has seen how Obama BOWS to our enemies and Putin has taken note.

Also, would it kill Obama to wrestle a wolverine with his shirt off?  I would also accept a badger, but a raccoon is completely unacceptable.


fark wrestling the wolverine.  He needs to smash a Budweiser bottle over it's head and then pull out an AR-15 with a 100 round magazine and go to town on it.
 
2014-03-21 09:58:03 AM  

Headso: FLMountainMan: I'm sure it's not just one or two trolls that you've turned into gigantic strawmen.

obviously there's plenty of people who think and say the things the other poster was mentioning, who do you think is consuming all the right wing media? it's like a multi-billion dollar industry.


He specifically mentioned Farkers calling themselves independent.  And FWIW, I've never called myself an independent.  For employment reasons, I'm typically registered with the party in the Governor's mansion.  But in reality, I'm probably a centrist Republican.
 
2014-03-21 09:58:16 AM  
in related news, ABC has gone full dickwaffle on its video players...  Nice that there is not so much as a pause button on that stupid video ad...  Congrats NBC, all it did was make me block all videos on your site...
 
2014-03-21 09:59:13 AM  

FLMountainMan: Rapmaster2000: birchman: To the people who think Obama is a weak leader and is handling this situation poorly, what do you think he should be doing? I'm genuinely curious. What could he do tomorrow that would make you come in here and say "Great job Obama"?

He needs to show strength and not weakness.  He needs to show leadership.  Putin has seen how Obama BOWS to our enemies and Putin has taken note.

Also, would it kill Obama to wrestle a wolverine with his shirt off?  I would also accept a badger, but a raccoon is completely unacceptable.

fark wrestling the wolverine.  He needs to smash a Budweiser bottle over it's head and then pull out an AR-15 with a 100 round magazine and go to town on it.


Too weak.  Putin can sense weakness.  Obama needs a Browning M1919 with Biden standing next to him holding 5000 rounds in a cardboard box.
voidagger.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-03-21 10:01:37 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: MugzyBrown: What is the legal connection between some of these seemingly non-governmental Russians and being sanctioned for Crimea?

Those sanctions seem inappropriate to me.

These are perfect sanctions...


I would submit that there is no such thing as perfect sanctions...   At most you can only get to "close enough"...
 
2014-03-21 10:03:06 AM  

Rapmaster2000: birchman: To the people who think Obama is a weak leader and is handling this situation poorly, what do you think he should be doing? I'm genuinely curious. What could he do tomorrow that would make you come in here and say "Great job Obama"?

He needs to show strength and not weakness.  He needs to show leadership.  Putin has seen how Obama BOWS to our enemies and Putin has taken note.

Also, would it kill Obama to wrestle a wolverine with his shirt off?  I would also accept a badger, but a raccoon is completely unacceptable.



A large Mountain Raccoon should be totally acceptable.    I'd like to see you go one on one with a testy one in a 10x12 screened porch.

Well wait.... it digress.    Never mind the 'coon.

The thing to also remember for farkers in general (but moreso some of the sensitive lefty ones) is that the US is not the main player here with Russia on sanctions.    We divested from Russia years ago.
it is the EU that now is the main player in sanctions.   They are heavily invested with Russia.

The US is not the main player
 
2014-03-21 10:03:58 AM  
This thread is making me hungry.
 
2014-03-21 10:08:21 AM  

EvilVanMan: This thread is making me hungry.


Think of borscht. That will kill the cravings.
 
2014-03-21 10:11:58 AM  

birchman: Maud Dib: JoieD'Zen: Will this affect Vodka?

/asking for a friend
Who cares? We make that shiat in Texas these days.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 850x1237]

That shiat is great vodka. I've put people up in blind taste tests with that against grey goose, absolut, ketel one, bel, stoli. Titos always wins.


And its cheaper than all the other shiat that people THINK is good vodka. Love me some Tito's. Sounds like I'm gonna need a bottle for the weekend now...
 
2014-03-21 10:12:01 AM  

Rapmaster2000: FLMountainMan: Rapmaster2000: birchman: To the people who think Obama is a weak leader and is handling this situation poorly, what do you think he should be doing? I'm genuinely curious. What could he do tomorrow that would make you come in here and say "Great job Obama"?

He needs to show strength and not weakness.  He needs to show leadership.  Putin has seen how Obama BOWS to our enemies and Putin has taken note.

Also, would it kill Obama to wrestle a wolverine with his shirt off?  I would also accept a badger, but a raccoon is completely unacceptable.

fark wrestling the wolverine.  He needs to smash a Budweiser bottle over it's head and then pull out an AR-15 with a 100 round magazine and go to town on it.

Too weak.  Putin can sense weakness.  Obama needs a Browning M1919 with Biden standing next to him holding 5000 rounds in a cardboard box.
[voidagger.files.wordpress.com image 850x478]


I don't think we've ever agreed on anything politically, but you're still one of my favorite posters.
 
2014-03-21 10:12:59 AM  

FLMountainMan: Headso: FLMountainMan: I'm sure it's not just one or two trolls that you've turned into gigantic strawmen.

obviously there's plenty of people who think and say the things the other poster was mentioning, who do you think is consuming all the right wing media? it's like a multi-billion dollar industry.

He specifically mentioned Farkers calling themselves independent.  And FWIW, I've never called myself an independent.  For employment reasons, I'm typically registered with the party in the Governor's mansion.  But in reality, I'm probably a centrist Republican.


People call themselves independent on fark because the republican brand is something they are embarrassed to be associated with and they probably feel like they won't be taken seriously when they take a shiat on everything Obama does. When you hear others describe them as independent, in this context, I don't think it actually refers to what they are registered as. Also, lol at middle class republican.
 
2014-03-21 10:13:04 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: birchman: To the people who think Obama is a weak leader and is handling this situation poorly, what do you think he should be doing? I'm genuinely curious. What could he do tomorrow that would make you come in here and say "Great job Obama"?

In before "Step down and let a Real Republican Man be president".


Yeah, that is about the only thing he could do at this point to mollify the right wing, or to get Putin to blink.  the last time we had a democrat president this week, you could only fuel your car on every other weekday.
 
2014-03-21 10:14:25 AM  

Tricky Chicken: Pants full of macaroni!!: birchman: To the people who think Obama is a weak leader and is handling this situation poorly, what do you think he should be doing? I'm genuinely curious. What could he do tomorrow that would make you come in here and say "Great job Obama"?

In before "Step down and let a Real Republican Man be president".

Yeah, that is about the only thing he could do at this point to mollify the right wing, or to get Putin to blink.  the last time we had a democrat president this week, you could only fuel your car on every other weekday.


Yes, I farked that up.
 
2014-03-21 10:15:06 AM  
Isn't this an act of war?
 
2014-03-21 10:15:44 AM  

Tricky Chicken: the last time we had a democrat president this week, you could only fuel your car on every other weekday.

latimesblogs.latimes.com

?
 
2014-03-21 10:17:47 AM  
Remember how people suggested that the sanctions would be weak and ineffective?

Well.    http://www.cnbc.com/id/101510510

Russian President Vladimir Putin is calling on billionaires to pay taxes amid fears that a new wave of Western sanctions against the country over the annexation of Crimea may hit businessmen.

At a meeting Thursday with Russia's richest men in Moscow, Putin said businesses "ought to register on Russian territory and pay taxes in our motherland."


Those oligarchs that he depends on for support were all already registered out of Russia and not paying taxes and now he needs that tax money to maintain the economy.

Bets on how Russian oligarchs respond to this call to give money to Putin?
 
2014-03-21 10:17:51 AM  

RexTalionis: Tricky Chicken: the last time we had a democrat president this week, you could only fuel your car on every other weekday.
[latimesblogs.latimes.com image 850x669]

?


I was going with Carter, you know since the only other one would be Clinton.  And we should all be able to agree that Clinton was a stronger president on the world stage than President Obama.
 
2014-03-21 10:18:20 AM  

birchman: That shiat is great vodka. I've put people up in blind taste tests with that against grey goose, absolut, ketel one, bel, stoli. Titos always wins.


I hate to break it to you....

In a 2005  New York Times blind tasting of 21 world-class vodkas, Smirnoff won as the "hands-down favorite"
 
2014-03-21 10:21:01 AM  

Tricky Chicken: RexTalionis: Tricky Chicken: the last time we had a democrat president this week, you could only fuel your car on every other weekday.
[latimesblogs.latimes.com image 850x669]

?

I was going with Carter, you know since the only other one would be Clinton.  And we should all be able to agree that Clinton was a stronger president on the world stage than President Obama.


I don't think there were alternate day fueling rules during the 1979 oil crisis. Maybe the 1973 one (under Nixon), but not the 1979 one.
 
2014-03-21 10:22:53 AM  

RexTalionis: FLMountainMan:
Fair enough.  You mean politicians' have called people with your same position on that issue "traitors".  And that offended you.  You've not personally been called a traitor. And FWIW, you never said you had been, I just interpreted it that way.

I was not called a traitor, personally, because at the time, I was much younger and much more conservative.


Hell, I was openly accused of it by three different people, on separate occasions, for thinking the entire Iraq debacle was a stupid distraction from the fight with the Taliban.  (One of them actually led to a reprimand for the lady who said it- you can only get away with so much open politics in a state merit job before people get uncomfortable.  Another was a relative, who's since gone full Freeper and cut ties with "the libs" in the family.  The last was a parent of a friend, who now prefers to pretend he never thought that and has always opposed military adventurism like a good little Rand Paulistinian.)

Anyone who thinks that words like "traitor" and "treason" didn't get thrown at dissenters during the height of the heady "post-9/11 world" Neocon days has a blissfully selective memory.  Or, at least, has never had to deal much with hicks from the sticks.  We had to guard against any sign of weakness, just in case the Taliban decided to undermine the base of the Kentucky economy by blowing up the pot distributors' greenhouse over in Van Lear...
 
2014-03-21 10:25:26 AM  
Heh.  Now that I cook for my family, one of my signature dishes of my own creation is "Beef Strelnikov", named after this guy
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From "Dr. Zhivago", and his awesome armored train.

Beef Strelnikov is basically Beef Stroganov, minus the mushrooms and instead adding bell peppers and celery, and over Penne Pasta instead of wide egg noodles. It's beefy and creamy and carb-o-riffic and oh so tasty, with just enough veggies to fool yourself into thinking it's good for you.
 
2014-03-21 10:25:42 AM  

FLMountainMan: I think the sanctions are about the best Obama could do.  It's a shiatty situation.  And I think they have a better than expected chance of effecting change.  Beats going to war, and beats not doing anything.

Epic Fap Session: And Fark Independents continue to root for the US to fail.

Stay classy

This comment is in every thread about Crimea.  Notable absent from every thread about Crimea are comments where Fark independents root for the US to fail.  You guys have really taken your savior's "There are those..." strategy to a whole new level.

Nadie_AZ: When the US gave the finger to the world and sanity and invaded Iraq, I was against it. But I never actively rooted for the US to fail. Are you telling me that the people who called me traitor, plastered their cars with magnets and flags and hated my existence are against our Government's decisions now?

I'm sure this really happened.  Like the Vietnam Vets who were spit on.


The traitor thing?  It sure as Fark happened to ME.  Both online and in person.  One reason I'm EXTREMELY unlikely ever to vote Republican again.
 
2014-03-21 10:25:51 AM  

oxnard_montalvo: birchman: That shiat is great vodka. I've put people up in blind taste tests with that against grey goose, absolut, ketel one, bel, stoli. Titos always wins.

I hate to break it to you....

In a 2005  New York Times blind tasting of 21 world-class vodkas, Smirnoff won as the "hands-down favorite"


Not to continue the threadjack, but Tito's wasn't included in that taste test, so it would have been damn difficult to win it.
 
2014-03-21 10:26:03 AM  
I'm looking forward to the Chicken Kiev LarryTheCableGuy my wife is making this weekend.
 
2014-03-21 10:26:22 AM  

FLMountainMan: This comment is in every thread about Crimea.   Notable absent from every thread about Crimea are comments where Fark independents root for the US to fail.  You guys have really taken your savior's "There are those..." strategy to a whole new level.


Tricky Chicken: oooo, that'll learn 'em. They will surely cave now that their portfolios took a percentage point hit! That Obama is a bad ass.

I bet they cave much faster than Iran did over their nuclear program.


Smeggy Smurf: Epic Fap Session: And Fark Independents continue to root for the US to fail.

Stay classy

Rock bottom baby.  Gotta hit it first before you can build yourself back up

 
2014-03-21 10:30:10 AM  
Maybe it's just me, but this all seems really childish.  Like name calling on the school yard.

Sanctions against the country?  Sure, that's fine.
Sanctions against powerful people in the government......ummm, I guess?
Sanctions against friends of people in the government.....seriously?

I'm not sure how that is even legal, but I realize when you reach a certain point of power (and the President is well beyond it), legality doesn't matter.  The US government can pick your name out of a hat and say, 'Haha - your assets are frozen and anyone part of the US banking system can't do business with you.

I certainly don't remember a trial where these people were presumed innocent and later proven guilty of crimes they had committed that would warrant such actions against them.  Maybe there was one, and Farkers can link me to it, but I suspect it's just people with unfathomable political power ruling from on high.
 
2014-03-21 10:30:23 AM  

RexTalionis: Tricky Chicken: RexTalionis: Tricky Chicken: the last time we had a democrat president this week, you could only fuel your car on every other weekday.
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?

I was going with Carter, you know since the only other one would be Clinton.  And we should all be able to agree that Clinton was a stronger president on the world stage than President Obama.

I don't think there were alternate day fueling rules during the 1979 oil crisis. Maybe the 1973 one (under Nixon), but not the 1979 one.


Yeah, I said I messed that up.  It was actually even-odd liscence plate numbers determining when you could buy fuel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odd%E2%80%93even_rationing
 
2014-03-21 10:32:23 AM  

Tricky Chicken: And we should all be able to agree that Clinton was a stronger president on the world stage than President Obama.


nah we can't really all agree on that, Clinton kinda just let things go on, nttiawwt. Obama has made some decisive moves like supporting the Libya thing and sending people in to Pakistan to kill Bin Laden.
 
2014-03-21 10:33:20 AM  
I guess you have the serbia thing that Clinton was involved in, that was a bizarre situation though.
 
2014-03-21 10:35:45 AM  

Infernalist: Remember how people suggested that the sanctions would be weak and ineffective?

Well.    http://www.cnbc.com/id/101510510

Russian President Vladimir Putin is calling on billionaires to pay taxes amid fears that a new wave of Western sanctions against the country over the annexation of Crimea may hit businessmen.

At a meeting Thursday with Russia's richest men in Moscow, Putin said businesses "ought to register on Russian territory and pay taxes in our motherland."

Those oligarchs that he depends on for support were all already registered out of Russia and not paying taxes and now he needs that tax money to maintain the economy.

Bets on how Russian oligarchs respond to this call to give money to Putin?


Didn't that traitorous chowderhead Gerard Depardieu become Russian in order to avoid paying French taxes?
 
2014-03-21 10:37:05 AM  

Headso: Tricky Chicken: And we should all be able to agree that Clinton was a stronger president on the world stage than President Obama.

nah we can't really all agree on that, Clinton kinda just let things go on, nttiawwt. Obama has made some decisive moves like supporting the Libya thing and sending people in to Pakistan to kill Bin Laden.


So, you would argue that President Obama is a stronger president than Clinton was regarding foreign policy.  Please tell me about drawing red lines and how that came out as anything but pathetically weak? But they agreed to give up the chemical weapons didn't they? And how is that coming along? Not an international joke at all.
 
2014-03-21 10:38:46 AM  

Wasteland: RexTalionis: FLMountainMan:
Fair enough.  You mean politicians' have called people with your same position on that issue "traitors".  And that offended you.  You've not personally been called a traitor. And FWIW, you never said you had been, I just interpreted it that way.

I was not called a traitor, personally, because at the time, I was much younger and much more conservative.

Hell, I was openly accused of it by three different people, on separate occasions, for thinking the entire Iraq debacle was a stupid distraction from the fight with the Taliban.  (One of them actually led to a reprimand for the lady who said it- you can only get away with so much open politics in a state merit job before people get uncomfortable.  Another was a relative, who's since gone full Freeper and cut ties with "the libs" in the family.  The last was a parent of a friend, who now prefers to pretend he never thought that and has always opposed military adventurism like a good little Rand Paulistinian.)

Anyone who thinks that words like "traitor" and "treason" didn't get thrown at dissenters during the height of the heady "post-9/11 world" Neocon days has a blissfully selective memory.  Or, at least, has never had to deal much with hicks from the sticks.  We had to guard against any sign of weakness, just in case the Taliban decided to undermine the base of the Kentucky economy by blowing up the pot distributors' greenhouse over in Van Lear...


You're 100% correct.  This country went nutzo after 9/11, and you had every West Bumblefark, Iowa, thinking they were certainly the next target.  Not only were libs and anyone even slightly against Bush and his righteous war declared traitors -- not just cowards, but TRAITORS -- they were putting in for top of the line APCs and just total bullshiat from the Department of Homeland Security.  I will remember Ari Fleischer and their ilk to the end of my days.  It was a hideous time to be an American and I'll certainly never forget.
 
2014-03-21 10:39:15 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Infernalist: Remember how people suggested that the sanctions would be weak and ineffective?

Well.    http://www.cnbc.com/id/101510510

Russian President Vladimir Putin is calling on billionaires to pay taxes amid fears that a new wave of Western sanctions against the country over the annexation of Crimea may hit businessmen.

At a meeting Thursday with Russia's richest men in Moscow, Putin said businesses "ought to register on Russian territory and pay taxes in our motherland."

Those oligarchs that he depends on for support were all already registered out of Russia and not paying taxes and now he needs that tax money to maintain the economy.

Bets on how Russian oligarchs respond to this call to give money to Putin?

Didn't that traitorous chowderhead Gerard Depardieu become Russian in order to avoid paying French taxes?


That would be hilarious.  Also, on a French-related note, the French just canceled the delivery of military-related materials to Russia as a result of all this.

Oh, and the Russian economy is in the process of imploding.
 
2014-03-21 10:39:27 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Didn't that traitorous chowderhead Gerard Depardieu become Russian in order to avoid paying French taxes?


Didn't Polanski run to France so he could rape little girls?  Where are you going with this?
 
2014-03-21 10:41:50 AM  
What does one call a herd of cattle masturbating in unison?

Beef Strokin'-Off
 
2014-03-21 10:42:03 AM  

Laobaojun: The sanctions will unify Russia and give Putin prestige among all the countries and people who have issues with the US. Great going US. You just did exactly what Putin was expecting you to do.Of course, it only takes a room temperature IQ to figure out how the US would respond. Tomorrow, Ric Romero will report that the sanctions aren't having the effects that the US hoped for.


To the people like this who have issues with what the president is doing... would you like the US to send troops to Crimea to repel the Russians? Would you like the cold war to restart a full generation after it was stopped? You do realize that the last president who sent troops to that part of the planet didn't do so well.

If this president sends aircraft carriers he's a warmongering asshole. If he does nothing he's a Putin-whipped pussy. Those are the choices you have given him.

What would you like to see happen? Most here would really like to know.
 
2014-03-21 10:43:26 AM  

Tricky Chicken: Headso: Tricky Chicken: And we should all be able to agree that Clinton was a stronger president on the world stage than President Obama.

nah we can't really all agree on that, Clinton kinda just let things go on, nttiawwt. Obama has made some decisive moves like supporting the Libya thing and sending people in to Pakistan to kill Bin Laden.

So, you would argue that President Obama is a stronger president than Clinton was regarding foreign policy.  Please tell me about drawing red lines and how that came out as anything but pathetically weak? But they agreed to give up the chemical weapons didn't they? And how is that coming along? Not an international joke at all.


I don't know if he is stronger or weaker but he has had more difficult problems to deal with than Clinton, just inheriting the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan alone are more than Clinton had to deal with. Whining about rhetoric every president uses just shows that you consume too much right wing media.
 
2014-03-21 10:43:56 AM  

rewind2846: Laobaojun: The sanctions will unify Russia and give Putin prestige among all the countries and people who have issues with the US. Great going US. You just did exactly what Putin was expecting you to do.Of course, it only takes a room temperature IQ to figure out how the US would respond. Tomorrow, Ric Romero will report that the sanctions aren't having the effects that the US hoped for.

To the people like this who have issues with what the president is doing... would you like the US to send troops to Crimea to repel the Russians? Would you like the cold war to restart a full generation after it was stopped? You do realize that the last president who sent troops to that part of the planet didn't do so well.

If this president sends aircraft carriers he's a warmongering asshole. If he does nothing he's a Putin-whipped pussy. Those are the choices you have given him.

What would you like to see happen? Most here would really like to know.


Actually, that dude you responded to is so wrong that it's possible he's posting from some Bizarro World.  The sanctions are causing all kinds of unholy hell with the Russian economy, so much so that the Putin is now requesting that super-rich Russians re-register all their businesses in Russia so he can tax them properly.
 
2014-03-21 10:44:32 AM  
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It'd be funny if they blew up Chelsea by sanctioning Roman. There are many ways to mess up a season; key injuries, coach losing the locker room, international war and politics...
 
2014-03-21 10:45:51 AM  
China to Obama: Sanctions really? Taiwan is worth it.

Best Korea: A pencil whip for Pusan? Bring it on.

Syria: What chemical weapons agreement?

Obama fiddled...
 
2014-03-21 10:46:23 AM  

rewind2846: Laobaojun: The sanctions will unify Russia and give Putin prestige among all the countries and people who have issues with the US. Great going US. You just did exactly what Putin was expecting you to do.Of course, it only takes a room temperature IQ to figure out how the US would respond. Tomorrow, Ric Romero will report that the sanctions aren't having the effects that the US hoped for.

To the people like this who have issues with what the president is doing... would you like the US to send troops to Crimea to repel the Russians? Would you like the cold war to restart a full generation after it was stopped? You do realize that the last president who sent troops to that part of the planet didn't do so well.

If this president sends aircraft carriers he's a warmongering asshole. If he does nothing he's a Putin-whipped pussy. Those are the choices you have given him.

What would you like to see happen? Most here would really like to know.


Well, since we assured the Ukranians that if they gave up the nuclear arsenal that was there after the collapse of the USSR that we would have their back.  I would hope we would not be total douche bags, and sort of honor our previous comitment to them. You know, if they want our help and all.  Why don't we ask them?
 
2014-03-21 10:49:35 AM  
I wonder what would happen if the South tried to cede from the United States this century.
Just an interest supposition. How time makes things so different.
 
2014-03-21 10:50:34 AM  

BHShaman: I wonder what would happen if the South tried to cede from the United States this century.


I'd chip in for their bus fare.
 
2014-03-21 10:52:08 AM  

Tricky Chicken: Pants full of macaroni!!: birchman: To the people who think Obama is a weak leader and is handling this situation poorly, what do you think he should be doing? I'm genuinely curious. What could he do tomorrow that would make you come in here and say "Great job Obama"?

In before "Step down and let a Real Republican Man be president".

Yeah, that is about the only thing he could do at this point to mollify the right wing, or to get Putin to blink.  the last time we had a democrat president this week, you could only fuel your car on every other weekday.


I only fuel my car once a week at most, so, hooray?
 
2014-03-21 10:55:43 AM  

FoxKelfonne: Tricky Chicken: Pants full of macaroni!!: birchman: To the people who think Obama is a weak leader and is handling this situation poorly, what do you think he should be doing? I'm genuinely curious. What could he do tomorrow that would make you come in here and say "Great job Obama"?

In before "Step down and let a Real Republican Man be president".

Yeah, that is about the only thing he could do at this point to mollify the right wing, or to get Putin to blink.  the last time we had a democrat president this week, you could only fuel your car on every other weekday.

I only fuel my car once a week at most, so, hooray?


but then, gas was an outrageous 45 cents a gallon or something.  I just wish we could go back to the cheap gas days of Bush.
 
2014-03-21 10:56:04 AM  
I love the thought of sanctions that target the rich and powerful. They are the people so quick to want a war, since wars can be very profitable. The soldiers who bleed and die? Well, those are just little people.

For once, the little people are sitting the conflict out, and the powerful are feeling the pain.

But I'm sure the Russian oligarchs and mob bosses have no problem making a noble sacrifice for the betterment of mother Russia.
 
2014-03-21 10:56:43 AM  

YixilTesiphon: Sanctions do generally seem stupid to me, especially when we could crush Gazprom's stock price by rushing LNG exports, but these seem better than the sanctions against Iran which appear to mainly hurt the poor and children.


As planned.  Think about it.
 
2014-03-21 11:01:50 AM  

BHShaman: I wonder what would happen if the South tried to cede from the United States this century.
Just an interest supposition. How time makes things so different.


I remember learning about the US Civil War in elementary school and not understanding why it was cool for the US to declare independence from England, but not cool for the south to declare independence from the United States.

It always struck my as hypocritical and I always felt like the South should have been able to go it's merry way.  But, even today, that's a horribly unpopular opinion to have.  But yeah, it'd be interesting to know how it would play out now.
 
2014-03-21 11:03:47 AM  

Tricky Chicken: Not an international joke at all.


You know what I find amusing? The only people who I've heard say that he's become an international joke are Americans.
 
2014-03-21 11:04:04 AM  
I imagine the Ukraine situation a little something like this:

Russia: *walks into the saloon, look around, walks over to Ukraine*
Ukraine: *looks up* Somethin' on your mind?
Russia: I just wanted you to know you're sittin' in my chair.
Ukraine: Is that a fact?
Russia: That's a fact.
Ukraine: You run your mouth awful reckless for a man that don't go heeled.
Russia: No need to go heeled to get the bulge on a tub like you.
*takes Crimea*
Everyone else: *starts reaching for their gun*
Russia: Go ahead, skin it! Skin that smokewagon and see what happens...
The world: M-mister, I'm gettin' tired of your...
Russia: *slap in the face* I'm gettin' tired of all your gas, now jerk that pistol and go to work!
Russia: *slaps 'em harder* I said throw down, boy!

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The world: ......
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2014-03-21 11:04:11 AM  

Tricky Chicken: And we should all be able to agree that Clinton was a stronger president on the world stage than President Obama.


Yeah, remember when Clinton killied bin Laden and started to normalize relations with Iran? GOOD TIMES.
 
2014-03-21 11:05:06 AM  

Laobaojun: The sanctions will unify Russia and give Putin prestige among all the countries and people who have issues with the US. Great going US. You just did exactly what Putin was expecting you to do.Of course, it only takes a room temperature IQ to figure out how the US would respond. Tomorrow, Ric Romero will report that the sanctions aren't having the effects that the US hoped for.


Exactly!  So let's start a war, because that NEVER unifies the attacked population!
 
2014-03-21 11:06:31 AM  

MechaPyx: I imagine the Ukraine situation a little something like this:

Russia: *walks into the saloon, look around, walks over to Ukraine*
Ukraine: *looks up* Somethin' on your mind?
Russia: I just wanted you to know you're sittin' in my chair.
Ukraine: Is that a fact?
Russia: That's a fact.
Ukraine: You run your mouth awful reckless for a man that don't go heeled.
Russia: No need to go heeled to get the bulge on a tub like you.
*takes Crimea*
Everyone else: *starts reaching for their gun*
Russia: Go ahead, skin it! Skin that smokewagon and see what happens...
The world: M-mister, I'm gettin' tired of your...
Russia: *slap in the face* I'm gettin' tired of all your gas, now jerk that pistol and go to work!
Russia: *slaps 'em harder* I said throw down, boy!

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The world: ......
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Thank you Mayor Giuliani.
 
2014-03-21 11:11:54 AM  

Weidbrewer: Man, I clicked the link just hoping that someone said, "Freedom Stew" and left disappointed


images2.wikia.nocookie.net

Freedom Stew don't need to advertise
 
2014-03-21 11:11:58 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Tricky Chicken: And we should all be able to agree that Clinton was a stronger president on the world stage than President Obama.

Yeah, remember when Clinton killied bin Laden and started to normalize relations with Iran? GOOD TIMES.


Then Clinton drew a red line then did jack squat when it got crossed? Or when Clinton allowed Egypt to fall into the control of radical muslims?  Good Times.  At least Clinton never appeased Iran, you are right there.
 
2014-03-21 11:15:58 AM  

Tricky Chicken: Then Clinton drew a red line then did jack squat when it got crossed?


By "jack squat" do you mean forced Syria to run to daddy for help, and got the chemical weapons dismantled without force? Because if so, yes, Obama did "jack squat"

Tricky Chicken: Clinton allowed Egypt to fall into the control of radical muslims?


Umm. What?
 
2014-03-21 11:17:45 AM  

amindtat: incendi: RevCarter: the term you're looking for is "Caucasian"

You do know where the Caucasus region is, right?

In the pelvis?


Jackie Treehorn: People forget that the brain is the biggest erogenous zone.
Dude: On you maybe.
 
2014-03-21 11:18:01 AM  

macross87: I guess I will cancel my Russian vacation. It was either Siberia or Montana. But I always wanted to see Montana.


Be sure to buy some rabbits and a pickup truck while you are there.
 
2014-03-21 11:19:14 AM  
Whatever happened to that star wars missile shield thing we had going a few years back that seemed to really bother Russia?

Maybe getting that going again would get their attention.
 
2014-03-21 11:19:15 AM  

Tricky Chicken: Then Clinton drew a red line then did jack squat when it got crossed?


with North Korea, yeah. W did too... All presidents use that kind of rhetoric...
 
2014-03-21 11:23:53 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Tricky Chicken: Then Clinton drew a red line then did jack squat when it got crossed?

By "jack squat" do you mean forced Syria to run to daddy for help, and got the chemical weapons dismantled without force? Because if so, yes, Obama did "jack squat"


Wow, when did that happen? Go ahead, look to see what finally came from that. Syria is repeatedly missing timetables, and re-negotiating deliveries. Refusing to destroy known factories.  And it is uncertain if they have begun construction on new facilities. I am however surprised that they haven't stopped cooperating altogether at this point since we are wimping out on Ukraine at this point.
 
2014-03-21 11:27:35 AM  
Protip, subby -- I'm all for the good lines (and liked this one), but if you put it in quotes, it should probably  actually be in the article.
 
2014-03-21 11:28:16 AM  

macross87: I guess I will cancel my Russian vacation. It was either Siberia or Montana. But I always wanted to see Montana.


The dental floss fields are particularly beautiful this time of year.
 
2014-03-21 11:28:36 AM  

Headso: Tricky Chicken: Then Clinton drew a red line then did jack squat when it got crossed?

with North Korea, yeah. W did too... All presidents use that kind of rhetoric...


Who gives a fark about W? Or is that the standard you want President Obama to live up to? Ooohh hey there, you are a worthless piece of crap, but at least you arent a flaming runny disease laden smear of crap. Good for you. Way to set the bar so low.
 
2014-03-21 11:30:32 AM  

lelio: These sanctions plus $3 will get you a cup of coffee. Since when did Putin give a rats ass about public opinion or economic hardship? The only language he understands comes from the barrel of a gun.


Or plutonium in the tea.
 
2014-03-21 11:32:48 AM  

Tricky Chicken: monoski: Russian stock market took a tumble on the news for those of you who would say Obama tactics are weak and we want a president who runs around acting tough.

oooo, that'll learn 'em. They will surely cave now that their portfolios took a percentage point hit! That Obama is a bad ass.

I bet they cave much faster than Iran did over their nuclear program.


Money is a whole lot more effective than riding a horse around shirtless and killing off journalist and political opponents in your own country.
Tell me, would you rather have Putin over Obama for your president?
 
2014-03-21 11:34:18 AM  

Private_Citizen: The latest twist I heard was this: Russia supplied the Ukraine will cheap gas in exchange for the use of a military base in Crimea. But, since Crimea is now Russian, the deal is off - oh yeah, and the Ukraine owes Russia 11 Billion dollars for the cheap gas it's no longer entitled too.

/Extortion. It's the Russian way.


Expecting someone to pay market price isn't extortion.

Also:  http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/721385 , do note that it was the new "illigimate" Ukrainian parliament that wanted to cancel the deal already at the 28th of February. Something that obviously helped Russia to decide that they were tired of Ukraines bullshiat.

FYI Ukraine only recieved a 10% rebate for the Sevastopol deal, so the price is hardly changed. What has changed is that Ukraine is a deadbeat which didn't pay the cheap price either, and Russia to a large extend let them get away with it because politics. That's why they owe 11 billion dollars, because they didn't even pay for the cheap gas.

---

Ukraine obviously needs economic aid, because its broke. But the question is how USA and the EU feels about giving Ukraine aid, when they know that it'll go to repay the money they owe Russia.
 
2014-03-21 11:38:20 AM  

Tricky Chicken: Headso: Tricky Chicken: Then Clinton drew a red line then did jack squat when it got crossed?

with North Korea, yeah. W did too... All presidents use that kind of rhetoric...

Who gives a fark about W? Or is that the standard you want President Obama to live up to? Ooohh hey there, you are a worthless piece of crap, but at least you arent a flaming runny disease laden smear of crap. Good for you. Way to set the bar so low.


uh, I was mentioning that both Clinton and W used redline type rhetoric with NK as other presidents have done with other nations in the past. You're the one holding Obama at a different standard than all other presidents in modern history for some reason.
 
2014-03-21 11:39:09 AM  

monoski: Tricky Chicken: monoski: Russian stock market took a tumble on the news for those of you who would say Obama tactics are weak and we want a president who runs around acting tough.

oooo, that'll learn 'em. They will surely cave now that their portfolios took a percentage point hit! That Obama is a bad ass.

I bet they cave much faster than Iran did over their nuclear program.

Money is a whole lot more effective than riding a horse around shirtless and killing off journalist and political opponents in your own country.
Tell me, would you rather have Putin over Obama for your president?


So in your bizarre ultimatum, Putin would have to be a natural born US citizen and as president he would be restrained by the limitations of the checks and balances of the US federalism system.  In that case Putin.

Or, are we in a feckless system where Obama would be unrestrained by any checks and balances? In that case I would emigrate.
 
2014-03-21 11:39:13 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Damn! My [img.fark.net image 850x640]hopes of flying this are over


No you're still good. Antonov is from Ukraine, not Russia.
 
2014-03-21 11:39:54 AM  

Rapmaster2000: FLMountainMan: Rapmaster2000: birchman: To the people who think Obama is a weak leader and is handling this situation poorly, what do you think he should be doing? I'm genuinely curious. What could he do tomorrow that would make you come in here and say "Great job Obama"?

He needs to show strength and not weakness.  He needs to show leadership.  Putin has seen how Obama BOWS to our enemies and Putin has taken note.

Also, would it kill Obama to wrestle a wolverine with his shirt off?  I would also accept a badger, but a raccoon is completely unacceptable.

fark wrestling the wolverine.  He needs to smash a Budweiser bottle over it's head and then pull out an AR-15 with a 100 round magazine and go to town on it.

Too weak.  Putin can sense weakness.  Obama needs a Browning M1919 with Biden standing next to him holding 5000 rounds in a cardboard box.
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IIRC, he got the machine gun from a WWII vet, who pulled it out of a closet and it looked like MG34 and was a war trophy, and by the Bronson got down to the street, it had turned into a Browning. I could be wrong, I saw this during a "movie night" my friends use to have, and we were always stoned and drunk when we watched them.  Either way, I remember remarking that they were pretty liberal with the war trophies, if they let you bring back a light machine gun and ammo.  Also, I said, the Army said "No!" to my request, to take my M-16 home with me, when I got out, why did he get to take the Browning.
 
2014-03-21 11:40:27 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Once again, Obama plays patty-cake while Global Chessmaster Putin consolidates his ranks into a formidable front of oil oligarchs and gargantuan gas investments.  Obama's hippie hatred of freedom fracking has imperiled our allies and emboldened the enemy.  Libutardo libulardos are outmatched by my awesomely alliterative righteously right right-wing talking points!


8/10 would bite again
 
2014-03-21 11:42:40 AM  

RaiderFanMikeP: the Ukraine should vote to annex Russia then have everyone in the western world recognize it

change all the maps to replace Russia with Ukraine


Why not?  It's has about the same level of legitimacy.
 
2014-03-21 11:47:46 AM  

Tricky Chicken: but then, gas was an outrageous 45 cents a gallon or something.  I just wish we could go back to the cheap gas days of Bush.


Remind me, which particular days were those?
 
2014-03-21 11:49:37 AM  

Rapmaster2000: FLMountainMan: Rapmaster2000: birchman: To the people who think Obama is a weak leader and is handling this situation poorly, what do you think he should be doing? I'm genuinely curious. What could he do tomorrow that would make you come in here and say "Great job Obama"?

He needs to show strength and not weakness.  He needs to show leadership.  Putin has seen how Obama BOWS to our enemies and Putin has taken note.

Also, would it kill Obama to wrestle a wolverine with his shirt off?  I would also accept a badger, but a raccoon is completely unacceptable.

fark wrestling the wolverine.  He needs to smash a Budweiser bottle over it's head and then pull out an AR-15 with a 100 round magazine and go to town on it.

Too weak.  Putin can sense weakness.  Obama needs a Browning M1919 with Biden standing next to him holding 5000 rounds in a cardboard box.


Lol.

Replace wolverine with a hungry honey badger.

Fight is useless without pics.
 
2014-03-21 11:55:30 AM  

Headso: Tricky Chicken: Headso: Tricky Chicken: Then Clinton drew a red line then did jack squat when it got crossed?

with North Korea, yeah. W did too... All presidents use that kind of rhetoric...

Who gives a fark about W? Or is that the standard you want President Obama to live up to? Ooohh hey there, you are a worthless piece of crap, but at least you arent a flaming runny disease laden smear of crap. Good for you. Way to set the bar so low.

uh, I was mentioning that both Clinton and W used redline type rhetoric with NK as other presidents have done with other nations in the past. You're the one holding Obama at a different standard than all other presidents in modern history for some reason.


You couldn't be more wrong. I am comparing him to President Clinton and Clinton alone. And President Obama falls far far short of that mark. Oh, and please back up your charge that Clinton used red-line rhetoric against NK and never backed it up.

incendi: Tricky Chicken: but then, gas was an outrageous 45 cents a gallon or something.  I just wish we could go back to the cheap gas days of Bush.

Remind me, which particular days were those?


The first term when gas prices were only a buck or so then started creeping up. With the brief exception of the very begining of his presidency, Obama has presided over the absolute worst average gas prices of any presidency.

I would just love to have gas prices at ANY level they ever were during the Clinton presidency.
 
2014-03-21 11:56:38 AM  

MechaPyx: Russia: Go ahead, skin it! Skin that smokewagon and see what happens...


I'm guessing that's something different than smoking my skinwagon
 
2014-03-21 12:05:50 PM  

Tricky Chicken: You couldn't be more wrong. I am comparing him to President Clinton and Clinton alone. And President Obama falls far far short of that mark. Oh, and please back up your charge that Clinton used red-line rhetoric against NK and never backed it up.


On his weekend visit to South Korea, President Clinton warned that if North Korea developed and used an atomic weapon, "we would quickly and overwhelmingly retaliate."
"It would mean the end of their country as they know it," he said.


During that time NK did develop nuclear weapons and tested delivery systems and ordnance related to detonation of those weapons.
 
2014-03-21 12:09:39 PM  

RexTalionis: Tyrone Slothrop: I think they're bewildered that we think sanctions will have any influence on Putin.

/so am I

The MICEX index has basically wiped about 70+ billion dollars worth of value off of the American markets.

The 2% projected GDP increase has basically been wiped out - it is likely that 2014 will see no GDP increase and stay flat, or even a mild decline.

Bank Rossiya, which handles banking for many of Russia's oligarchs and handles Gazprom's pensions, has been frozen out of most international transactions.

Bank Rossiya and another Russia bank no longer have access to Visa and Mastercard to handle credit card transactions, so hundreds of thousands of Russians can no longer use their bank cards or ATMs.

The Russian Ruble dropped almost 10% against the dollar, which means everything they import is now more expensive than it was.

Standard & Poors and Moody's Analytics have downgraded Russia's investment prospects and credit ratings, which means bonds will cost Russia more and investors will be less likely to invest there.

Foreign investors have already withdrawn nearly 35 billion investment dollars from Russia in the last two weeks and that could increase to something like 50 billion a quarter if the sanctions continue.

Russia lost several weapons contracts with the UK and France, which means they're not going to get the weapons system they need to upgrade their military.

Several of the oligarchs are locked out of their US assets (bank accounts, property, etc.).

In the longer term, if Europe is no longer as sure a market for Russian gas, then they are forced rely on China to conduct business. China will no doubt use the leverage to gouge as cheap a gas price as they can.


That's nice, but how does that affect Putin? Russians are used to hardship, especially when they see a threat from an outside force.
 
2014-03-21 12:09:58 PM  

Private_Citizen: The latest twist I heard was this: Russia supplied the Ukraine will cheap gas in exchange for the use of a military base in Crimea. But, since Crimea is now Russian, the deal is off - oh yeah, and the Ukraine owes Russia 11 Billion dollars for the cheap gas it's no longer entitled too.

/Extortion. It's the Russian way.


Fine.    See how much gas Russia can sell without using Ukrainian pipelines.
 
2014-03-21 12:16:50 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Private_Citizen: The latest twist I heard was this: Russia supplied the Ukraine will cheap gas in exchange for the use of a military base in Crimea. But, since Crimea is now Russian, the deal is off - oh yeah, and the Ukraine owes Russia 11 Billion dollars for the cheap gas it's no longer entitled too.

/Extortion. It's the Russian way.

Fine.    See how much gas Russia can sell without using Ukrainian pipelines.


That's how Ossetia got "annexed".
 
2014-03-21 12:23:15 PM  

Tricky Chicken: The first term when gas prices were only a buck or so then started creeping up. With the brief exception of the very begining of his presidency, Obama has presided over the absolute worst average gas prices of any presidency.

I would just love to have gas prices at ANY level they ever were during the Clinton presidency.


Oh, so you're just using the presidents as a convenient way to refer to time periods, you don't actually think they have a significant effect on gas pricing. Fair enough.
 
2014-03-21 12:54:50 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: BHShaman: I wonder what would happen if the South tried to cede from the United States this century.
Just an interest supposition. How time makes things so different.

I remember learning about the US Civil War in elementary school and not understanding why it was cool for the US to declare independence from England, but not cool for the south to declare independence from the United States.

It always struck my as hypocritical and I always felt like the South should have been able to go it's merry way.  But, even today, that's a horribly unpopular opinion to have.  But yeah, it'd be interesting to know how it would play out now.


A rebellion is only treason if you lose.
 
2014-03-21 12:57:14 PM  

BHShaman: I wonder what would happen if the South tried to cede from the United States this century.
Just an interest supposition. How time makes things so different.



The south fired the first shots, so not really following your logic on that one.
 
2014-03-21 01:00:24 PM  

Tricky Chicken: FoxKelfonne: Tricky Chicken: Pants full of macaroni!!: birchman: To the people who think Obama is a weak leader and is handling this situation poorly, what do you think he should be doing? I'm genuinely curious. What could he do tomorrow that would make you come in here and say "Great job Obama"?

In before "Step down and let a Real Republican Man be president".

Yeah, that is about the only thing he could do at this point to mollify the right wing, or to get Putin to blink.  the last time we had a democrat president this week, you could only fuel your car on every other weekday.

I only fuel my car once a week at most, so, hooray?

but then, gas was an outrageous 45 cents a gallon or something.  I just wish we could go back to the cheap gas days of Bush.


Ah yes, back to the days of Bush when Americans feared gas would hit $5/gal.  Let's go back to that.
 
2014-03-21 01:11:37 PM  

chuggernaught: Tricky Chicken: FoxKelfonne: Tricky Chicken: Pants full of macaroni!!: birchman: To the people who think Obama is a weak leader and is handling this situation poorly, what do you think he should be doing? I'm genuinely curious. What could he do tomorrow that would make you come in here and say "Great job Obama"?

In before "Step down and let a Real Republican Man be president".

Yeah, that is about the only thing he could do at this point to mollify the right wing, or to get Putin to blink.  the last time we had a democrat president this week, you could only fuel your car on every other weekday.

I only fuel my car once a week at most, so, hooray?

but then, gas was an outrageous 45 cents a gallon or something.  I just wish we could go back to the cheap gas days of Bush.

Ah yes, back to the days of Bush when Americans feared gas would hit $5/gal.  Let's go back to that.


Because we should just shut up and be happy with an aberage $3.60 a gallon? I thought we were only going to punish the evil rich people that make more than $150,000/yr? Don't poor people use gas too?

http://money.cnn.com/2012/12/31/news/economy/gas-prices/
 
2014-03-21 01:12:55 PM  

Tricky Chicken: Slaves2Darkness: Tricky Chicken: Ok, why is the news covering the missing airplane so much more than the Ukraine? I get hours of 'we still don't know anything about the flight' interrupted with one liners about major developments about Ukraine.

Because the Ukraine issue is a complex geo-political economic issue that has no clear "good guy" and no clear "winner".  The missing plane is an easy issue and fascinates the mouth breathing portion of our population. Where as Ukraine just confuses them, because really who cares what one group of commies does to another group of commies.

But even on a simple view of the amount of available content, It makes no sense.  They are filling hour upon hour about the plane saying the exact same level of nothing. It is missing and we are still looking can only be rephrased so many times.

But there have been loads of developments in Ukraine. There are history angles to explore, demographic differences in the area to examine. Resource availability to discuss. Local military capability to explain. Geographic importance to point out. I havent heard a wit about the charge of the light brigade, and I am wearing a cardigan right now.

Ukraine seems to be a much more rich topic to explore.


If you could research the complex history of the former USSR on twitter then they would have more information to pass on. All reporters do these days is regurgitate tweets.
 
2014-03-21 01:14:53 PM  
Flibberty Cabbage!

I'm boycotting caviar blintzes.
 
2014-03-21 01:17:26 PM  

Tricky Chicken: Slaves2Darkness: Tricky Chicken: Ok, why is the news covering the missing airplane so much more than the Ukraine? I get hours of 'we still don't know anything about the flight' interrupted with one liners about major developments about Ukraine.

Because the Ukraine issue is a complex geo-political economic issue that has no clear "good guy" and no clear "winner".  The missing plane is an easy issue and fascinates the mouth breathing portion of our population. Where as Ukraine just confuses them, because really who cares what one group of commies does to another group of commies.

But even on a simple view of the amount of available content, It makes no sense.  They are filling hour upon hour about the plane saying the exact same level of nothing. It is missing and we are still looking can only be rephrased so many times.

But there have been loads of developments in Ukraine. There are history angles to explore, demographic differences in the area to examine. Resource availability to discuss. Local military capability to explain. Geographic importance to point out. I havent heard a wit about the charge of the light brigade, and I am wearing a cardigan right now.

Ukraine seems to be a much more rich topic to explore.


Well, there is the "media is in the bag for a sideshow to obama failings"....

then there is the more likelihood that people are more worried about a plane getting hijacked than
Russia annexing part of a country, simply because lots of people get on planes and not many people are worried that Russia is going to annex part of their country.
 
2014-03-21 01:23:47 PM  

Tricky Chicken: Because we should just shut up and be happy with an aberage $3.60 a gallon?


What's your plan? biatching on the internet doesn't do much. Are you suggesting we should do a better job of regulating the markets?

Anyway, it's not that bad, at least according to Cato. (Well, Cato while a Republican in office. I'm sure they're outraged now.)
 
2014-03-21 01:27:10 PM  

Mentat: MechaPyx: I imagine the Ukraine situation a little something like this:

Russia: *walks into the saloon, look around, walks over to Ukraine*
Ukraine: *looks up* Somethin' on your mind?
Russia: I just wanted you to know you're sittin' in my chair.
Ukraine: Is that a fact?
Russia: That's a fact.
Ukraine: You run your mouth awful reckless for a man that don't go heeled.
Russia: No need to go heeled to get the bulge on a tub like you.
*takes Crimea*
Everyone else: *starts reaching for their gun*
Russia: Go ahead, skin it! Skin that smokewagon and see what happens...
The world: M-mister, I'm gettin' tired of your...
Russia: *slap in the face* I'm gettin' tired of all your gas, now jerk that pistol and go to work!
Russia: *slaps 'em harder* I said throw down, boy!

[i.imgur.com image 484x184]
The world: ......
[i.imgur.com image 320x180]

Thank you Mayor Giuliani.


Close, but no. No no no. An accurate reflection of Giuliani would look more like this:

Russia: *walks into the saloon, look around, walks over to Ukraine*
Ukraine: *looks up* Somethin' on your mind?
Russia: I jutht wanted you to know you're thittin' in my chair.
Ukraine: Is that a fact?
Russia: That'th  a fact.
Ukraine: You run your mouth awful reckless for a man that don't go heeled.
Russia: No need to go heeled to get the bulge on a tub like you.
*takes Crimea*
Everyone else: *starts reaching for their gun*
Russia: Go ahead, thkin it! Thkin that thmokewagon and thee what happenth...
The world: M-mister, I'm gettin' tired of your...
Russia: *slap in the face* I'm gettin' tired of all your gath, now jerk that pithtol and go to work!
Russia: *slaps 'em harder* I thaid throw down, boy!
 
2014-03-21 01:35:48 PM  

Marmilman: Mentat: MechaPyx: I imagine the Ukraine situation a little something like this:

Russia: *walks into the saloon, look around, walks over to Ukraine*
Ukraine: *looks up* Somethin' on your mind?
Russia: I just wanted you to know you're sittin' in my chair.
Ukraine: Is that a fact?
Russia: That's a fact.
Ukraine: You run your mouth awful reckless for a man that don't go heeled.
Russia: No need to go heeled to get the bulge on a tub like you.
*takes Crimea*
Everyone else: *starts reaching for their gun*
Russia: Go ahead, skin it! Skin that smokewagon and see what happens...
The world: M-mister, I'm gettin' tired of your...
Russia: *slap in the face* I'm gettin' tired of all your gas, now jerk that pistol and go to work!
Russia: *slaps 'em harder* I said throw down, boy!

[i.imgur.com image 484x184]
The world: ......
[i.imgur.com image 320x180]

Thank you Mayor Giuliani.

Close, but no. No no no. An accurate reflection of Giuliani would look more like this:

Russia: *walks into the saloon, look around, walks over to Ukraine*
Ukraine: *looks up* Somethin' on your mind?
Russia: I jutht wanted you to know you're thittin' in my chair.
Ukraine: Is that a fact?
Russia: That'th  a fact.
Ukraine: You run your mouth awful reckless for a man that don't go heeled.
Russia: No need to go heeled to get the bulge on a tub like you.
*takes Crimea*
Everyone else: *starts reaching for their gun*
Russia: Go ahead, thkin it! Thkin that thmokewagon and thee what happenth...
The world: M-mister, I'm gettin' tired of your...
Russia: *slap in the face* I'm gettin' tired of all your gath, now jerk that pithtol and go to work!
Russia: *slaps 'em harder* I thaid throw down, boy!


If you want to truly reflect Guiliani, you need to work in at least 100 references to 9/11.
 
2014-03-21 01:41:05 PM  

FLMountainMan: I think the sanctions are about the best Obama could do.  It's a shiatty situation.  And I think they have a better than expected chance of effecting change.  Beats going to war, and beats not doing anything.

Epic Fap Session: And Fark Independents continue to root for the US to fail.

Stay classy

This comment is in every thread about Crimea.  Notable absent from every thread about Crimea are comments where Fark independents root for the US to fail.  You guys have really taken your savior's "There are those..." strategy to a whole new level.



If I ever get around to compiling some "Rules of Fark" list, I may have to keep this as an illustration of the rule that there is no statement in a Fark thread so obviously untrue that there isn't any Farker bold (or stupid) enough to assert its truth.

No matter how much people may express outrage or mirth at it.
 
2014-03-21 02:15:38 PM  

Marmilman: Close, but no. No no no. An accurate reflection of Giuliani would look more like this:

Russia: *walks into the saloon, look around, walks over to Ukraine*
Ukraine: *looks up* Somethin' on your mind?
Russia: I jutht wanted you to know you're thittin' in my chair.
Ukraine: Is that a fact?
Russia: That'th a fact.
Ukraine: You run your mouth awful reckless for a man that don't go heeled.
Russia: No need to go heeled to get the bulge on a tub like you.
*takes Crimea*
Everyone else: *starts reaching for their gun*
Russia: Go ahead, thkin it! Thkin that thmokewagon and thee what happenth...
The world: M-mister, I'm gettin' tired of your...
Russia: *slap in the face* I'm gettin' tired of all your gath, now jerk that pithtol and go to work!
Russia: *slaps 'em harder* I thaid throw down, boy!


I'm more thinking:

2.bp.blogspot.com
"You can keep the rest of your country, along with the body of the officer we shot. But if I see you again - you motherfarkers! - well, look at him." [points to naval officer's corpse]
 
2014-03-21 02:26:31 PM  

RexTalionis: Tyrone Slothrop: I think they're bewildered that we think sanctions will have any influence on Putin.

/so am I

The MICEX index has basically wiped about 70+ billion dollars worth of value off of the American markets.

The 2% projected GDP increase has basically been wiped out - it is likely that 2014 will see no GDP increase and stay flat, or even a mild decline.

Bank Rossiya, which handles banking for many of Russia's oligarchs and handles Gazprom's pensions, has been frozen out of most international transactions.

Bank Rossiya and another Russia bank no longer have access to Visa and Mastercard to handle credit card transactions, so hundreds of thousands of Russians can no longer use their bank cards or ATMs.

The Russian Ruble dropped almost 10% against the dollar, which means everything they import is now more expensive than it was.

Standard & Poors and Moody's Analytics have downgraded Russia's investment prospects and credit ratings, which means bonds will cost Russia more and investors will be less likely to invest there.

Foreign investors have already withdrawn nearly 35 billion investment dollars from Russia in the last two weeks and that could increase to something like 50 billion a quarter if the sanctions continue.

Russia lost several weapons contracts with the UK and France, which means they're not going to get the weapons system they need to upgrade their military.

Several of the oligarchs are locked out of their US assets (bank accounts, property, etc.).

In the longer term, if Europe is no longer as sure a market for Russian gas, then they are forced rely on China to conduct business. China will no doubt use the leverage to gouge as cheap a gas price as they can.


These results seem more like chess playing - and a larger gamble by Obama than people realize - it is a much more complex strategy

Guns and dick-waving is the real checkers game -
 
2014-03-21 02:44:55 PM  

incendi: Tricky Chicken: Because we should just shut up and be happy with an aberage $3.60 a gallon?

What's your plan? biatching on the internet doesn't do much. Are you suggesting we should do a better job of regulating the markets?

Anyway, it's not that bad, at least according to Cato. (Well, Cato while a Republican in office. I'm sure they're outraged now.)


A 150% increase in 8 years is not that bad?!

Ok Baghdad Bob, how farked up do things have to get before you notice?
 
2014-03-21 02:55:59 PM  

Tricky Chicken: incendi: Tricky Chicken: Because we should just shut up and be happy with an aberage $3.60 a gallon?

What's your plan? biatching on the internet doesn't do much. Are you suggesting we should do a better job of regulating the markets?

Anyway, it's not that bad, at least according to Cato. (Well, Cato while a Republican in office. I'm sure they're outraged now.)

A 150% increase in 8 years is not that bad?!

Ok Baghdad Bob, how farked up do things have to get before you notice?


inflationdata.com

When you adjust it for inflation, the price of gas is roughly equivalent to how it was during the Bush years and how it was during the Reagan years and not as bad as the Great War years.
 
2014-03-21 03:03:24 PM  

RexTalionis: When you adjust it for inflation, the price of gas is roughly equivalent to how it was during the Bush years and how it was during the Reagan years and not as bad as the Great War years.


Shush!  You and your "constant dollars".
 
2014-03-21 03:08:16 PM  

Tricky Chicken: A 150% increase in 8 years is not that bad?!

Ok Baghdad Bob, how farked up do things have to get before you notice?


That was Cato, in 2006, with gas a little over $3.00 - not too far from where we're at now, 8 years later. Yeah, the increase sucked, but for the most part, people have found more interesting things to complain about than somewhat high, but at least relatively steady gasoline prices.

Besides, are you wanting Obama to do something, or are you just whining?
 
2014-03-21 03:38:22 PM  

birchman: Maud Dib: JoieD'Zen: Will this affect Vodka?

/asking for a friend
Who cares? We make that shiat in Texas these days.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 850x1237]

That shiat is great vodka. I've put people up in blind taste tests with that against grey goose, absolut, ketel one, bel, stoli. Titos always wins.


What's the price comparison?
 
2014-03-21 03:52:48 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Damn! My [img.fark.net image 850x640]hopes of flying this are over


Rofl. You can barely make out the guy in piper getting out of his plane and away saying "well then..."
 
2014-03-21 03:54:40 PM  

Tricky Chicken: Ok, why is the news covering the missing airplane so much more than the Ukraine? I get hours of 'we still don't know anything about the flight' interrupted with one liners about major developments about Ukraine.


People really, really,  really don't want to think about this after the Cold War. Or Cold War Pt. II...and there's a political party out there desperate to give us just that.
 
2014-03-21 04:47:22 PM  
I'm just picturing Putin hitting the Staples' Easy Button right about now.
 
2014-03-21 05:57:51 PM  
That headline made me giggle a lot more than it should have. Well done.
 
2014-03-21 07:21:46 PM  
get out russia and take your cabbage borscht with you too!
 
2014-03-22 12:56:46 AM  
The new ruble:


assets.nydailynews.com
 
2014-03-22 05:14:38 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Marmilman: Close, but no. No no no. An accurate reflection of Giuliani would look more like this:

Russia: *walks into the saloon, look around, walks over to Ukraine*
Ukraine: *looks up* Somethin' on your mind?
Russia: I jutht wanted you to know you're thittin' in my chair.
Ukraine: Is that a fact?
Russia: That'th a fact.
Ukraine: You run your mouth awful reckless for a man that don't go heeled.
Russia: No need to go heeled to get the bulge on a tub like you.
*takes Crimea*
Everyone else: *starts reaching for their gun*
Russia: Go ahead, thkin it! Thkin that thmokewagon and thee what happenth...
The world: M-mister, I'm gettin' tired of your...
Russia: *slap in the face* I'm gettin' tired of all your gath, now jerk that pithtol and go to work!
Russia: *slaps 'em harder* I thaid throw down, boy!

I'm more thinking:

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 850x456]
"You can keep the rest of your country, along with the body of the officer we shot. But if I see you again - you motherfarkers! - well, look at him." [points to naval officer's corpse]


Haha, that's one of my favorite scenes from Snatch.
 
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