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(CBS Tampa)   Closing the C-section incision with glue is not normal, but on dogs it...well...it's still not normal   (tampa.cbslocal.com) divider line 63
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2014-03-20 08:05:48 PM
No anesthesia, non surgical glue by non veterinarian who was arrested for it. Feared this might be caturday tale involving dog. Cruel (grounds for down vote), but not necessarily sick.
 
2014-03-20 09:04:30 PM
They got her on the old non-medical glue charge.  Oldest charge in the book.
 
2014-03-20 09:06:50 PM

laulaja: No anesthesia


There are "top" vets in my town that charge extra for anesthesia.

Do not do business with vets that charge extra for anesthesia.
 
2014-03-20 09:10:32 PM

Marcus Aurelius: They got her on the old non-medical glue charge.  Oldest charge in the book.


i hope the charges stick.
 
2014-03-20 09:19:17 PM
Roughly 12 hours after the C-section, Hines took her dog to Veterinary Healthcare Associates saying she believed that the dog was dying, but the veterinarian told her that the Mastiff was already dead.

Are they sure she wasn't just pining for the fjords?
 
2014-03-20 09:26:20 PM

some_beer_drinker: i hope the charges stick.


They'll stick like syphilis to a Roman emperor.
 
2014-03-20 09:34:24 PM
www.spokanecounty.org
 
2014-03-20 10:12:03 PM
After reading that I'm feel a desire to bite somebody
 
2014-03-20 10:27:30 PM

fusillade762: Roughly 12 hours after the C-section, Hines took her dog to Veterinary Healthcare Associates saying she believed that the dog was dying, but the veterinarian told her that the Mastiff was already dead.

Are they sure she wasn't just pining for the fjords?


Here's your ticket to hell. You can sit by me.

/i get the window seat
 
2014-03-20 10:30:19 PM
Good use of the stick tag.
 
2014-03-20 10:30:57 PM
Everyone knows you are supposed to use Duct Tape
 
2014-03-20 10:32:10 PM
Florida
 
2014-03-20 10:32:28 PM

The One True TheDavid: After reading that I'm feel a desire to bite somebody


I feel the desire to return home to hug my mastiff.
 
2014-03-20 10:32:59 PM
One of my cats got glued back up after getting fixed.

She kept that area groomed so much that the hair never really grew back, it was there, just incredibly short.
 
2014-03-20 10:34:09 PM
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2014-03-20 10:37:25 PM
My vet has had me use superglue to close up wounds on my dogs before. One was a fight over food, one was a hunting accident. Both were large tears. Cleaned them up, superglued them shut. Not even a scar. Healed up nicely. Better than stitches since dogs chew stitches and steri-strips.

Vet was even amazed how well I did afterwards when we took the dogs in both times.
 
2014-03-20 10:38:08 PM
it's quite common

superglue is the new stitches.


it was superglue, wasn't it?


/dnrtfa
 
2014-03-20 10:38:26 PM
Wow,14 puppies? That a big litter.
 
2014-03-20 10:38:36 PM
We castrated a bunny last week...used glue to close the incisions. Two layers of sutures are required for a spay/c-section. No glue at all is used...and anesthesia is a MUST. How the hell do you cut a dog open w/out it? GEEEZZZ...
 
2014-03-20 10:39:55 PM
This is the one where she performed a c-section on her dog,  at home, without proper certifications or training?

/drtfa
//she's out there.  I mean it's not as simple as say, repairing your roof on your own
///poor doge
 
2014-03-20 10:41:31 PM

haolegirl: We castrated a bunny last week...used glue to close the incisions. Two layers of sutures are required for a spay/c-section. No glue at all is used...and anesthesia is a MUST. How the hell do you cut a dog open w/out it? GEEEZZZ...


Why the hell would you castrate a bunny? It's not like they're running around the neighborhood banging every other bunny they come by. Does it have a behavioral effect?
 
2014-03-20 10:44:04 PM
I don't know about using it on a C-section, but medical glue is normal.
 
2014-03-20 10:47:43 PM
I know it's been said already, but ... glue is used all the time in surgeries, even C-sections if you are using subQ stitches underneath.

/dermabond
 
2014-03-20 10:49:54 PM
Closing incisions with glue actually is pretty normal.  Ethyl cyanoacrylate (Krazy Glue) has been used medically in place of sutures, though there are related glues that are better.  Really, the difference between medical grade ECA and Krazy Glue is sterile packaging.
 
2014-03-20 10:54:20 PM
That is sick. If the dog owner knew what was going on then she should be sent to prison along with the  cutter.
 
2014-03-20 10:54:56 PM
My father was a doctor - in the seventies he would uby Crazy Glue at the hardware store -- he wasn't the only doctor doing that -- I have glued up a bunch of self inflicted wounds and I am doing just fine, I really should be more careful with sharp stuff.
 
2014-03-20 10:55:44 PM
I thought Super Glue was originally supposed to be a replacement for stitches. I might have just read that somewhere.. My sister had to get 7 in her arm last week from a home improvement accident. It made me wonder why we haven't yet developed some kind of medical grade glue for wide use.
 
2014-03-20 10:56:45 PM
They cut open a mastiff without anesthesia? How many people were holding that beast down?
 
2014-03-20 10:58:13 PM
My gallbladder incisions closed with glue healed up way better than my appendix incisions closed with staples. But I had existing metal allergies that my doctor never asked about. Poor dog though. Probably more the lack of anesthesia and trained surgery than the glue.
 
2014-03-20 10:59:00 PM
Anyone remember Kirstie Alley's final scene in the "Village of the Damned" remake? That's about what this chick deserves
 
2014-03-20 11:05:24 PM

Sum Dum Gai: Closing incisions with glue actually is pretty normal.  Ethyl cyanoacrylate (Krazy Glue) has been used medically in place of sutures, though there are related glues that are better.  Really, the difference between medical grade ECA and Krazy Glue is sterile packaging.


There is a difference in the chemical makeup of Dermabond vs Krazy Glue. Dermabond is made to be lessirritating on the skin.

That said, if you can take the potential
itchiness and burning, Krazy Glue is fine for use.
 
2014-03-20 11:10:43 PM

Jeng: One of my cats got glued back up after getting fixed.

She kept that area groomed so much that the hair never really grew back, it was there, just incredibly short.


The key is that the glue has to go on an incision AFTER the sutures (for one that is full thickness into a body cavity, like a spay or c-section).  Simple laceration, glue alone can be enough - it's basically liquid PDS (a type of suture) which holds past the 10-14 day healing time we generally recommend.

abhorrent1: haolegirl: We castrated a bunny last week...used glue to close the incisions. Two layers of sutures are required for a spay/c-section. No glue at all is used...and anesthesia is a MUST. How the hell do you cut a dog open w/out it? GEEEZZZ...

Why the hell would you castrate a bunny? It's not like they're running around the neighborhood banging every other bunny they come by. Does it have a behavioral effect?


If it's free in the house, neutered bunnies are less likely to pee on things like male cats do as a territory marker. There are also some bunnies who are just assholes (to humans and/or other pets), and neutering can occasionally calm them down. Also saw a massive testicular tumour on a rabbit once, so if you're not planning on making more bunnies there's no compelling reason to NOT neuter them.
 
2014-03-20 11:31:31 PM
Anytime I see an incision closed with staples instead of dermabond, it still shocks me.  It's just looks so frankenstein-esqe.  The dermabond incisions usually look so nice.
 
2014-03-20 11:36:46 PM

Marcus Aurelius: laulaja: No anesthesia

There are "top" vets in my town that charge extra for anesthesia.

Do not do business with vets that charge extra for anesthesia.


In a good world, they charge extra for it because it's for homeless pets. Buy one, get one thing.

In this world, I wish we could crucify them and explain how their cries of pain and anguish are just instinct and reflexes and we have no proof they actually feel pain.
 
2014-03-20 11:43:01 PM

Jeng: One of my cats got glued back up after getting fixed.

She kept that area groomed so much that the hair never really grew back, it was there, just incredibly short.


I got sticky stuff all over my pussy once too. And I also keep reminding someone how "just incredibly short" it was (in two ways) too.

/CSS
 
2014-03-20 11:43:41 PM

bearded clamorer: [www.spokanecounty.org image 225x327]


Oh. my. god.  Took me a second, but bra-vo.
 
2014-03-20 11:46:41 PM
Burn the biatch...
 
2014-03-20 11:47:16 PM

Launchpad1986: Burn the biatch...


And I'm talking about the human.. not the dog.
 
2014-03-20 11:47:56 PM

Mentalpatient87: I thought Super Glue was originally supposed to be a replacement for stitches. I might have just read that somewhere.. My sister had to get 7 in her arm last week from a home improvement accident. It made me wonder why we haven't yet developed some kind of medical grade glue for wide use.


Per everyone's favorite list site of listy listiness, Cracked, it was actually discovered by a scientist working for Eastman Kodak trying to make a clear plastic gunsight. More info here (second one on the page, number 4 by article listing).
 
2014-03-20 11:58:20 PM

italie: Sum Dum Gai: Closing incisions with glue actually is pretty normal.  Ethyl cyanoacrylate (Krazy Glue) has been used medically in place of sutures, though there are related glues that are better.  Really, the difference between medical grade ECA and Krazy Glue is sterile packaging.

There is a difference in the chemical makeup of Dermabond vs Krazy Glue. Dermabond is made to be lessirritating on the skin.

That said, if you can take the potentialitchiness and burning, Krazy Glue is fine for use.


That's all great and everything, but if you were to administer Krazy Glue to a wound you take the risk of being charged with a felony.  You should be commended for administering care to another.
 
2014-03-21 12:16:18 AM

Mentalpatient87: It made me wonder why we haven't yet developed some kind of medical grade glue for wide use.


Well, we do have medical grade glue, but it's so expensive that there's a very limited market for home use.  We're talking $50 for one application.  I mean, if you know what you're doing it's still cheaper than a trip to the ER to get glued up, but most people aren't that on the ball.

It'll be a whole different story when that patent expires, though.  It is expensive to create a sterile product that meets standards for human use, but that definitely does not account for most of the price.
 
2014-03-21 12:22:43 AM

marxychick1: My gallbladder incisions closed with glue healed up way better than my appendix incisions closed with staples. But I had existing metal allergies that my doctor never asked about. Poor dog though. Probably more the lack of anesthesia and trained surgery than the glue.


*high five* robotic surgery is awesome.
 
2014-03-21 12:27:44 AM
My uncle is a vet. They use super glue to close up. If I need stitches, I am going to use super glue on myself.

/needle phobia. can't stand needles. At. All.
 
2014-03-21 12:28:22 AM

abhorrent1: haolegirl: We castrated a bunny last week...used glue to close the incisions. Two layers of sutures are required for a spay/c-section. No glue at all is used...and anesthesia is a MUST. How the hell do you cut a dog open w/out it? GEEEZZZ...

Why the hell would you castrate a bunny? It's not like they're running around the neighborhood banging every other bunny they come by. Does it have a behavioral effect?


Lol, maybe not around the neighborhood exactly, but bunnies will do it...like bunnies! Since the surgery on a female is intrusive and therefore takes longer, the easier surgery is castration on the male. Bunnies don't do well under sedation, so where I work we'll only do the males, and it's NOT cheap. Almost $200 more to do a bunny than a dog!

Idk for sure (only had one bunny at a time) but I think two males or two females will fight, so if you want two it needs to be male/female.
 
2014-03-21 12:44:00 AM
The woman that did this needs to die.  I don't care what species the victim is.  Anyone guilty of this kind of cruelty should be hung by the neck until dead.
 
2014-03-21 12:46:58 AM
haolegirl:

Lol, maybe not around the neighborhood exactly, but bunnies will do it...like bunnies! Since the surgery on a female is intrusive and therefore takes longer, the easier surgery is castration on the male. Bunnies don't do well under sedation, so where I work we'll only do the males, and it's NOT cheap. Almost $200 more to do a bunny than a dog!

Idk for sure (only had one bunny at a time) but I think two males or two females will fight, so if you want two it needs to be male/female.



If you're losing otherwise healthy rabbits under sedation with ANY regularity, you're doing it wrong. They do just fine if you have the protocol right (Gas only for things like x-rays or brief incisor trims, injectables as needed for longer procedures).  In 18 months at a pure exotics clinic with a heavy rabbit caseload, I can't recall a rabbit anesthetic death that hadn't already been pretty much praying to die since it came in the door (and my boss did some pretty funky intra-abdominal mass removals, a liver lobectomy, two gall bladder removals and fracture repairs on some of 'em too).

Also, there's a pretty high incidence of uterine adenocarcinomas in females. They grow and met slowly, but can bleed severely enough to kill as well. So, spaying if you're not going to breed remains a really good idea.

And holy crap, seriously on the charging? Pre-op subcu butorphanol, metacam and glyco, gas, clip, remove balls same speed/time as a cat neuter ( < 5 minutes) wake-up, done.  200$ by itself is kinda hefty to charge for that, let alone 200 more than any other price. It's pretty much exactly like a cat neuter save differences in the drugs and using glue rather than healing by second intention.
 
2014-03-21 01:26:37 AM

EnormousGreenRageMonster: haolegirl:

Lol, maybe not around the neighborhood exactly, but bunnies will do it...like bunnies! Since the surgery on a female is intrusive and therefore takes longer, the easier surgery is castration on the male. Bunnies don't do well under sedation, so where I work we'll only do the males, and it's NOT cheap. Almost $200 more to do a bunny than a dog!

Idk for sure (only had one bunny at a time) but I think two males or two females will fight, so if you want two it needs to be male/female.


If you're losing otherwise healthy rabbits under sedation with ANY regularity, you're doing it wrong. They do just fine if you have the protocol right (Gas only for things like x-rays or brief incisor trims, injectables as needed for longer procedures).  In 18 months at a pure exotics clinic with a heavy rabbit caseload, I can't recall a rabbit anesthetic death that hadn't already been pretty much praying to die since it came in the door (and my boss did some pretty funky intra-abdominal mass removals, a liver lobectomy, two gall bladder removals and fracture repairs on some of 'em too).

Also, there's a pretty high incidence of uterine adenocarcinomas in females. They grow and met slowly, but can bleed severely enough to kill as well. So, spaying if you're not going to breed remains a really good idea.

And holy crap, seriously on the charging? Pre-op subcu butorphanol, metacam and glyco, gas, clip, remove balls same speed/time as a cat neuter ( < 5 minutes) wake-up, done.  200$ by itself is kinda hefty to charge for that, let alone 200 more than any other price. It's pretty much exactly like a cat neuter save differences in the drugs and using glue rather than healing by second intention.


Haven't lost even one bunny, but then again...only the males. And yeah, just like cats but you gas to trim teeth? Small amount of ket...i don't remember any other drug... And yeah, the price for dog/cat spay/neuter is ridiculous here, but part of it is subsidized by the humane society so it's not as bad. The bunnies tho are so much of an issue, so no funds for them.
 
2014-03-21 01:29:58 AM
www.gemitaly.it
 
2014-03-21 01:59:43 AM
Reads article:  :(

Reads comments:  o_O

This is why I don't get down there very often.
 
2014-03-21 02:04:00 AM

cc_rider: Reads article:  :(

Reads comments:  o_O

This is why I don't get down there very often.


Yeah, the comments were pretty horrifying.  I actually regret reading them.
 
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