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(Forbes)   NSA takes the gloves off, comes this close to claiming Snowden is a hipster   (forbes.com) divider line 29
    More: Interesting, Deputy Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, NSA, James Madison, Security Administration  
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2014-03-20 05:46:16 PM  
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Seemed appropriate for some reason
 
2014-03-20 05:51:52 PM  
"I think there's an amazing arrogance to the idea that [Snowden] knows better than the framers of the Constitution how the government should be designed to work in terms of separation of powers," he said. "That's extremely arrogant on his part."

Says the guy claiming to channel Madison, while saying that the current level oversight of the NSA is fine.

Fark this guy.
 
2014-03-20 05:55:19 PM  
"We don't sit there and grind out metadata profiles of average people," Ledgett said. "If you're not connected to one of those intelligence targets, you're not of interest to us."

Where "connected" in NSA-speak means that you once called a guy who had talked to a guy who had met a terrorist...
 
2014-03-20 05:56:08 PM  
Oh, yes, that's SO true!  It's not that the NSA is trampling over the constitutional rights of US citizens and destroying trust abroad, it's that they didn't explain it well enough.  That's the problem.

This is like when some wingnut at the GOP says something racist, and then instead of apologizing for being a racist, or at least for saying something racist, they say they are "sorry liberals took it the wrong way" or some such nonsense.
 
2014-03-20 06:03:15 PM  
Why don't we write a law saying that any US citizen can opt out of any information retention of them by the government.  "I don't what my info on NSA ervers."

It makes sense if you're still operating under "the government works for the people" fiction.

Headache for the NSA to comply?  Sure.  Makes the NSA less effective?  I could give two shiats.

Tell us, super secret agency, what you do for us that needs our data.  Be more specific than "we look for bad guys."  then maybe I'll see some value.

Oh, what's that?  You can't say what you do?  Wither on the vine, then.
 
2014-03-20 06:15:54 PM  

sendtodave: Wither on the vine, then.


In your dreams.
 
2014-03-20 06:23:37 PM  
For the love of Mother Earth, when one of these intelligence weenie douchebags starts going on with false platitudes of transparency, public discussion and oversight, can someone please think to ask why their commitment to these democratic ideals was never evinced before Snowden released the documents?
 
2014-03-20 06:52:20 PM  
snowden has more integrity 

than a roomful of top NSA dipshiatz
 
2014-03-20 06:53:12 PM  

sendtodave: "I think there's an amazing arrogance to the idea that [Snowden] knows better than the framers of the Constitution how the government should be designed to work in terms of separation of powers," he said. "That's extremely arrogant on his part."

Says the guy claiming to channel Madison, while saying that the current level oversight of the NSA is fine.

Fark this guy.


Yeah, I had to laugh at that. Is this guy so up his own ass that he doesn't even realize that the only amazing arrogance is in what he himself is saying here?
 
2014-03-20 07:01:51 PM  
Explains why he's gone underground.
 
2014-03-20 07:10:55 PM  
What a crock of shart.
Nothing more than a continuation of the half truths and lies that they have been using with the aim of rehabilitating their  image to that of a warm  fuzzy teddy bear all while they tighten the grip of total mass surveillance.

Fark the NSA.
 
2014-03-20 07:35:13 PM  

sendtodave: "I think there's an amazing arrogance to the idea that [Snowden] knows better than the framers of the Constitution how the government should be designed to work in terms of separation of powers," he said. "That's extremely arrogant on his part."

Says the guy claiming to channel Madison, while saying that the current level oversight of the NSA is fine.

Fark this guy.


Fark you.

"There are things that we need to be transparent about, our authorities, our oversight," he said. "We at NSA have not done a good enough job at that, and I think that's why this has been so sensational in the media.
 
2014-03-20 07:44:01 PM  

davynelson: snowden has more integrity 

than a roomful of top NSA dipshiatz


However, I once had a snake with more integrity than a roomful of top NSA dipshiatz.
 
2014-03-20 07:44:09 PM  
I'm not usually one to channel long dead people, and I usually think appealing to the founders is self-evidently absurd, but the idea that Madison would be comfortable with the NSA (or much of any of the modern federal government) is almost a joke.

I doubt this joker has a clue about Madison beyond the fact that he was president and "father of the constitution."
 
2014-03-20 08:13:00 PM  
To get a sense of how little regard the people wielding these extraordinary powers have for those whose personal files are being casually raped in the global quest to find a terrorist, read the latest from Greenwald's new site.
 
2014-03-20 08:56:15 PM  

4tehsnowflakes: To get a sense of how little regard the people wielding these extraordinary powers have for those whose personal files are being casually raped in the global quest to find a terrorist, read the latest from Greenwald's new site.


They can't be wielding those extraordinary powers with much skill. They haven't found me yet, and I'm hardly silent about my ability to take down secure sites without much difficulty or my scorn for the US government in general.
 
2014-03-20 09:18:00 PM  

sendtodave: "I think there's an amazing arrogance to the idea that [Snowden] knows better than the framers of the Constitution how the government should be designed to work in terms of separation of powers," he said. "That's extremely arrogant on his part."

Says the guy claiming to channel Madison, while saying that the current level oversight of the NSA is fine.

Fark this guy.




Of course Obama's hand pick NSA Review Commission said its unConstitutional. Along with the Presidential Privacy Commission.

And Obama doesn't want the SCOTUS, whose job it is to rule.
 
2014-03-20 09:20:55 PM  
To be fair Snowden did show a bunch of people some reading material that they'd never seen or heard of before.
 
2014-03-20 09:22:52 PM  

4tehsnowflakes: To get a sense of how little regard the people wielding these extraordinary powers have for those whose personal files are being casually raped in the global quest to find a terrorist, read the latest from Greenwald's new site.


Hrm, read the linked document, its kinda interesting, talks about dumpster diving to get admin passwords and stuff in order to redirect networks.
 
2014-03-21 12:12:51 AM  
The NSA would do wonders for their rep if they'd shut down all the 'Rachel from Card Services" and those "The FBI is reporting a rise in break-ins" alarm system spammers

Or heck, just list their numbers and I'll put them on my blacklist
 
2014-03-21 12:21:07 AM  
Oh, this is ridiculous.  He had alternatives!  He could have talked to inspectors genereal so and sos?

Would any of those alternatives have aired what the NSA is doing in a public forum, allowing for a public debate of the role of surveillance our government?

And would those alternatives lead to some of the restrictions on the NSA that are being brought up now?

No, and no.  It would have been, "Your concerns of departmental and governmental overreach are noted.  Thank you.  You're fired, your name will be tarnished, we may arrest you, and nothing will change."

Great for the NSA!  Security is more important than oversight!  State secrets!  State secrets!

Fark that shiat.

Snowden made this stuff public.  We can debate if he was correct in doing so, and if he was blowing things out of proportion; we can debate if he's a huge asshole or a hero (a silly artificial dichotomy), but at least WE CAN DEBATE IT PUBLICLY.

Which is a huge deal, a huge victory over secrecy.

Right or wrong, without Snowden, we wouldn't even be able to debate how we should constrain our intelligence gathering apparatus.

Of course they hate him.. He took away their free reign.
 
2014-03-21 12:58:09 AM  

sendtodave: Right or wrong, without Snowden, we wouldn't even be able to debate how we should constrain our intelligence gathering apparatus.


Snowden's acts were probably good.

Snowden, himself, is a complete douchebag.
 
2014-03-21 01:09:34 AM  

Gyrfalcon: sendtodave: Right or wrong, without Snowden, we wouldn't even be able to debate how we should constrain our intelligence gathering apparatus.

Snowden's acts were probably good.

Snowden, himself, is a complete douchebag.


Oh, yeah, no argument.  Well, a slight argument on "complete"

As far as I can tell, he does really believe he is some sort of righteous crusader.  And his crusade is empowering people against and overreaching government.

So, he's full of himself, but his heart's in the right place. Does that make him a "complete" douchebag?

And, really, Snowden, himself, is kinda irrelevant in scale compared to what he set out to do.

Ghandi was an asshole in person, by most accounts.  He was still Ghandi.  He fought for a good cause.

The causes here are government transparency, even in issues "national security,"  and freedom from surveillance.  These are pretty noble causes, if you ask me.
 
2014-03-21 01:16:27 AM  
And, really, it does't change the reality.

Without Snowden stealing and leaking this info, we wouldn't be having any debate over how much power to allow out surveillance apparatus.

Did he do this to be a big shot?  Or for the good of all the American people?

Eh.  Who cares?  We need to have this debate, in the light of day.  The people should decide if the NSA should have the power to take these measures to protect them.  Not the NSA themselves.

It should be up to us, not to them, with regard to our safety.
 
2014-03-21 03:27:49 AM  

sendtodave: Gyrfalcon: sendtodave: Right or wrong, without Snowden, we wouldn't even be able to debate how we should constrain our intelligence gathering apparatus.

Snowden's acts were probably good.

Snowden, himself, is a complete douchebag.

Oh, yeah, no argument.  Well, a slight argument on "complete"

As far as I can tell, he does really believe he is some sort of righteous crusader.  And his crusade is empowering people against and overreaching government.

So, he's full of himself, but his heart's in the right place. Does that make him a "complete" douchebag?

And, really, Snowden, himself, is kinda irrelevant in scale compared to what he set out to do.

Ghandi was an asshole in person, by most accounts.  He was still Ghandi.  He fought for a good cause.

The causes here are government transparency, even in issues "national security,"  and freedom from surveillance.  These are pretty noble causes, if you ask me.


Better statement.

He's only a douchebag, imo, because of the legions of fanboys he's attracted who seem determined to make him a "hero". And that's not really his fault. Well,, that and he looks like one. But that's not really his fault either.
 
2014-03-21 04:17:25 AM  

Gyrfalcon: sendtodave: Gyrfalcon: sendtodave: Right or wrong, without Snowden, we wouldn't even be able to debate how we should constrain our intelligence gathering apparatus.

Snowden's acts were probably good.

Snowden, himself, is a complete douchebag.

Oh, yeah, no argument.  Well, a slight argument on "complete"

As far as I can tell, he does really believe he is some sort of righteous crusader.  And his crusade is empowering people against and overreaching government.

So, he's full of himself, but his heart's in the right place. Does that make him a "complete" douchebag?

And, really, Snowden, himself, is kinda irrelevant in scale compared to what he set out to do.

Ghandi was an asshole in person, by most accounts.  He was still Ghandi.  He fought for a good cause.

The causes here are government transparency, even in issues "national security,"  and freedom from surveillance.  These are pretty noble causes, if you ask me.

Better statement.

He's only a douchebag, imo, because of the legions of fanboys he's attracted who seem determined to make him a "hero". And that's not really his fault. Well,, that and he looks like one. But that's not really his fault either.


media.heavy.com
Not bad for a douchebag.

Godspeed Mr Snowden. Thank you for your service.
 
2014-03-21 09:21:02 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Better statement.

He's only a douchebag, imo, because of the legions of fanboys he's attracted who seem determined to make him a "hero". And that's not really his fault. Well,, that and he looks like one. But that's not really his fault either.


Snowden is a hero because he discovered a problem the needed to come to light and did something about it even though there was a very real risk to his personal safety.  Snowden's act was far more heroic than say... an air-force pilot dropping bombs from 10,000 feet or LeBron James playing with a muscle cramp.
 
2014-03-21 09:24:48 AM  

sendtodave: Right or wrong, without Snowden, we wouldn't even be able to debate how we should constrain our intelligence gathering apparatus.


We had this debate at least three times before Snowden turned traitor. The good guys always lost because the media and idiot rightwingers like Snowden liked the R next to the president's name.
 
2014-03-21 10:01:36 AM  
Hero.

The same smear techniques are used against every figure that comes into conflict with the Deep State.

fark 'em, the fascist farks. He's a hero, and I'll die proud if one of my children winds up doing something like  what he did.
 
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