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2014-03-20 04:58:29 PM  
Surprise surprise, another Mayor who supported Christie, and died suddennly and mysteriously after Bridgegate started.
I wonder what he knew.
 
2014-03-20 05:41:34 PM  
The good news is that dead workers actually consume very little in the way of healthcare.
 
2014-03-20 05:42:07 PM  
Well, he is from Chicago.  Is this a surprise?
 
2014-03-20 05:44:30 PM  

cretinbob: Surprise surprise, another Mayor who supported Christie, and died suddennly and mysteriously after Bridgegate started.
I wonder what he knew.


I grew up in Harrison.  They had the same Mayor for 44 years and the later half of that he was pretty much propped up to wave during parades.  Its definitely a town of who you know politically.  People who get into office or get in charge often stay in charge until they are dead.  If you scratch the right ass, you get taken care of.  I'd want to see the names of the dead people who go the money, I'll bet the name ends in a vowel.

McDonough's death wasn't exactly all the mysterious.  he was a fat guy with a stressful job that didn't take care of himself.  no surprise that he had a heart attack.  just surprised that it didn't happen sooner.

Why the fark Fife was picked as Mayor is anyone's guess  (I personally thought he was dead).  Probably the first puppet the town council could find.
 
MFK
2014-03-20 05:46:13 PM  
FTFA: "Similar payouts for unused vacation time cost Harrison taxpayers $950,000, with one employee getting $170,000, the report says".

This shiat really pisses me off. Payouts for unused vacation time should not count as being sketchy. These are public workers who instead of taking their allowed time off, stayed on the job in order to keep serving their municipalities. This isn't payouts for unused vacation time, it's payouts for extra work that the worker put in that was above and beyond their normal duties.
 
2014-03-20 05:50:21 PM  

MFK: FTFA: "Similar payouts for unused vacation time cost Harrison taxpayers $950,000, with one employee getting $170,000, the report says".

This shiat really pisses me off. Payouts for unused vacation time should not count as being sketchy. These are public workers who instead of taking their allowed time off, stayed on the job in order to keep serving their municipalities. This isn't payouts for unused vacation time, it's payouts for extra work that the worker put in that was above and beyond their normal duties.


Getting more pay for working harder shouldn't apply to the peasants. That would take more from the vastly harder-working job creators.
 
2014-03-20 06:01:57 PM  
Did they get better?
 
2014-03-20 06:08:09 PM  

autopsybeverage: MFK: FTFA: "Similar payouts for unused vacation time cost Harrison taxpayers $950,000, with one employee getting $170,000, the report says".

This shiat really pisses me off. Payouts for unused vacation time should not count as being sketchy. These are public workers who instead of taking their allowed time off, stayed on the job in order to keep serving their municipalities. This isn't payouts for unused vacation time, it's payouts for extra work that the worker put in that was above and beyond their normal duties.

Getting more pay for working harder shouldn't apply to the peasants. That would take more from the vastly harder-working job creators.


Whoa, whoa, whoa... Public employees get time off? What bleeding heart liberal whack job came up with this special right? Public serviced is supposed to be a punishment straight from the 7th circle of hell.
 
2014-03-20 06:23:22 PM  

MFK: FTFA: "Similar payouts for unused vacation time cost Harrison taxpayers $950,000, with one employee getting $170,000, the report says".

This shiat really pisses me off. Payouts for unused vacation time should not count as being sketchy. These are public workers who instead of taking their allowed time off, stayed on the job in order to keep serving their municipalities. This isn't payouts for unused vacation time, it's payouts for extra work that the worker put in that was above and beyond their normal duties.


More than that, it doesn't actually cost the city much money. Very few cities staff their fire departments higher than the minimum - whether a contractual minimum or a practical minimum. If a guy takes a vacation day, they need to fill that job through overtime paid to another guy. If a guy banks that day the city just ends up paying at the end. I suppose it could cost a little more, as stocking up 15 years worth of vacation time certainly means that some of those days were earned at a lower pay level. However, buy-backs of sick or vacation time is usually not calculated into pension rate, whereas the overtime for a covering guy is. It's probably a wash.

All that being said: It is inconvenient for the city to have to pay a lump sum like that, though. I'm a big proponent of limiting how much time can be banked. Having to budget ~2 1/2 guy's salaries in case a particular guy decides to retire this year is a pain. I also don't think it's healthy for firemen to go over a decade without taking time off. Cases like this are rare however; every department has guys with what can only be described as mental illness: never take time off, never say no to overtime, won't chip in for or participate in dinner, instead eats tuna from dented cans or bargain rack hot dogs by himself. They're the ones you read about who double-up their salary, who get absurd pensions, who turn in 15 years worth of vacation. I'd say these guys account for 2 or 3 out of every 100 fire fighters.
 
2014-03-20 06:25:20 PM  

Notabunny: autopsybeverage: MFK: FTFA: "Similar payouts for unused vacation time cost Harrison taxpayers $950,000, with one employee getting $170,000, the report says".

This shiat really pisses me off. Payouts for unused vacation time should not count as being sketchy. These are public workers who instead of taking their allowed time off, stayed on the job in order to keep serving their municipalities. This isn't payouts for unused vacation time, it's payouts for extra work that the worker put in that was above and beyond their normal duties.

Getting more pay for working harder shouldn't apply to the peasants. That would take more from the vastly harder-working job creators.

Whoa, whoa, whoa... Public employees get time off? What bleeding heart liberal whack job came up with this special right? Public serviced is supposed to be a punishment straight from the 7th circle of hell.


States make less, but the average federal employee is pulling about $110k in salary and benifits.  I've seen the average federal employee, and he isn't worth it.
 
2014-03-20 06:32:06 PM  

uber humper: Notabunny: autopsybeverage: MFK: FTFA: "Similar payouts for unused vacation time cost Harrison taxpayers $950,000, with one employee getting $170,000, the report says".

This shiat really pisses me off. Payouts for unused vacation time should not count as being sketchy. These are public workers who instead of taking their allowed time off, stayed on the job in order to keep serving their municipalities. This isn't payouts for unused vacation time, it's payouts for extra work that the worker put in that was above and beyond their normal duties.

Getting more pay for working harder shouldn't apply to the peasants. That would take more from the vastly harder-working job creators.

Whoa, whoa, whoa... Public employees get time off? What bleeding heart liberal whack job came up with this special right? Public serviced is supposed to be a punishment straight from the 7th circle of hell.

States make less, but the average federal employee is pulling about $110k in salary and benifits.  I've seen the average federal employee, and he isn't worth it.


[citation needed]

Let me guess, $60k/yr in salary and $50k/yr in medical/dental/visual/retirement/etc
 
2014-03-20 06:44:55 PM  
Someone is getting a kickback here.
 
2014-03-20 06:49:00 PM  

uber humper: Notabunny: autopsybeverage: MFK: FTFA: "Similar payouts for unused vacation time cost Harrison taxpayers $950,000, with one employee getting $170,000, the report says".

This shiat really pisses me off. Payouts for unused vacation time should not count as being sketchy. These are public workers who instead of taking their allowed time off, stayed on the job in order to keep serving their municipalities. This isn't payouts for unused vacation time, it's payouts for extra work that the worker put in that was above and beyond their normal duties.

Getting more pay for working harder shouldn't apply to the peasants. That would take more from the vastly harder-working job creators.

Whoa, whoa, whoa... Public employees get time off? What bleeding heart liberal whack job came up with this special right? Public serviced is supposed to be a punishment straight from the 7th circle of hell.

States make less, but the average federal employee is pulling about $110k in salary and benifits.  I've seen the average federal employee, and he isn't worth it.


We should start privatizing towns. The free market will fix the problems.
 
2014-03-20 06:50:23 PM  

BalugaJoe: Someone is getting a kickback here.


That would be plural. Not a doubt in my mind.
 
2014-03-20 06:51:55 PM  

Notabunny: uber humper: Notabunny: autopsybeverage: MFK: FTFA: "Similar payouts for unused vacation time cost Harrison taxpayers $950,000, with one employee getting $170,000, the report says".

This shiat really pisses me off. Payouts for unused vacation time should not count as being sketchy. These are public workers who instead of taking their allowed time off, stayed on the job in order to keep serving their municipalities. This isn't payouts for unused vacation time, it's payouts for extra work that the worker put in that was above and beyond their normal duties.

Getting more pay for working harder shouldn't apply to the peasants. That would take more from the vastly harder-working job creators.

Whoa, whoa, whoa... Public employees get time off? What bleeding heart liberal whack job came up with this special right? Public serviced is supposed to be a punishment straight from the 7th circle of hell.

States make less, but the average federal employee is pulling about $110k in salary and benifits.  I've seen the average federal employee, and he isn't worth it.

[citation needed]

Let me guess, $60k/yr in salary and $50k/yr in medical/dental/visual/retirement/etc


Are we including Congressmen, Senators, etc... they make a lot more than the guy who mops the floor.
 
2014-03-20 06:55:51 PM  

ManateeGag: Notabunny: uber humper: Notabunny: autopsybeverage: MFK: FTFA: "Similar payouts for unused vacation time cost Harrison taxpayers $950,000, with one employee getting $170,000, the report says".

This shiat really pisses me off. Payouts for unused vacation time should not count as being sketchy. These are public workers who instead of taking their allowed time off, stayed on the job in order to keep serving their municipalities. This isn't payouts for unused vacation time, it's payouts for extra work that the worker put in that was above and beyond their normal duties.

Getting more pay for working harder shouldn't apply to the peasants. That would take more from the vastly harder-working job creators.

Whoa, whoa, whoa... Public employees get time off? What bleeding heart liberal whack job came up with this special right? Public serviced is supposed to be a punishment straight from the 7th circle of hell.

States make less, but the average federal employee is pulling about $110k in salary and benifits.  I've seen the average federal employee, and he isn't worth it.

[citation needed]

Let me guess, $60k/yr in salary and $50k/yr in medical/dental/visual/retirement/etc

Are we including Congressmen, Senators, etc... they make a lot more than the guy who mops the floor.


Yes. Yes, we are.

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2014-03-20 06:58:17 PM  
$21,000 in NJ's budget is a rounding error.

/NJ 2013 budget was $33 billion.
 
2014-03-20 06:58:23 PM  

Notabunny: ManateeGag: Notabunny: uber humper: Notabunny: autopsybeverage: MFK: FTFA: "Similar payouts for unused vacation time cost Harrison taxpayers $950,000, with one employee getting $170,000, the report says".

This shiat really pisses me off. Payouts for unused vacation time should not count as being sketchy. These are public workers who instead of taking their allowed time off, stayed on the job in order to keep serving their municipalities. This isn't payouts for unused vacation time, it's payouts for extra work that the worker put in that was above and beyond their normal duties.

Getting more pay for working harder shouldn't apply to the peasants. That would take more from the vastly harder-working job creators.

Whoa, whoa, whoa... Public employees get time off? What bleeding heart liberal whack job came up with this special right? Public serviced is supposed to be a punishment straight from the 7th circle of hell.

States make less, but the average federal employee is pulling about $110k in salary and benifits.  I've seen the average federal employee, and he isn't worth it.

[citation needed]

Let me guess, $60k/yr in salary and $50k/yr in medical/dental/visual/retirement/etc

Are we including Congressmen, Senators, etc... they make a lot more than the guy who mops the floor.

Yes. Yes, we are.


Why is he fraternizing with the help?
 
2014-03-20 07:03:47 PM  
I read that as dead hookers.
 
2014-03-20 07:04:44 PM  

ManateeGag: Notabunny: ManateeGag: Notabunny: uber humper: Notabunny: autopsybeverage: MFK: FTFA: "Similar payouts for unused vacation time cost Harrison taxpayers $950,000, with one employee getting $170,000, the report says".

This shiat really pisses me off. Payouts for unused vacation time should not count as being sketchy. These are public workers who instead of taking their allowed time off, stayed on the job in order to keep serving their municipalities. This isn't payouts for unused vacation time, it's payouts for extra work that the worker put in that was above and beyond their normal duties.

Getting more pay for working harder shouldn't apply to the peasants. That would take more from the vastly harder-working job creators.

Whoa, whoa, whoa... Public employees get time off? What bleeding heart liberal whack job came up with this special right? Public serviced is supposed to be a punishment straight from the 7th circle of hell.

States make less, but the average federal employee is pulling about $110k in salary and benifits.  I've seen the average federal employee, and he isn't worth it.

[citation needed]

Let me guess, $60k/yr in salary and $50k/yr in medical/dental/visual/retirement/etc

Are we including Congressmen, Senators, etc... they make a lot more than the guy who mops the floor.

Yes. Yes, we are.

Why is he fraternizing with the help?


Noblesse oblige
 
2014-03-20 07:10:45 PM  

Tyrosine: I read that as dead hookers.


That's North Bergen. I don't recall seeing any "ladies of the evening" in Harrison
 
2014-03-20 07:46:47 PM  

lizyrd: MFK: FTFA: "Similar payouts for unused vacation time cost Harrison taxpayers $950,000, with one employee getting $170,000, the report says".

This shiat really pisses me off. Payouts for unused vacation time should not count as being sketchy. These are public workers who instead of taking their allowed time off, stayed on the job in order to keep serving their municipalities. This isn't payouts for unused vacation time, it's payouts for extra work that the worker put in that was above and beyond their normal duties.

More than that, it doesn't actually cost the city much money. Very few cities staff their fire departments higher than the minimum - whether a contractual minimum or a practical minimum. If a guy takes a vacation day, they need to fill that job through overtime paid to another guy. If a guy banks that day the city just ends up paying at the end. I suppose it could cost a little more, as stocking up 15 years worth of vacation time certainly means that some of those days were earned at a lower pay level. However, buy-backs of sick or vacation time is usually not calculated into pension rate, whereas the overtime for a covering guy is. It's probably a wash.

All that being said: It is inconvenient for the city to have to pay a lump sum like that, though. I'm a big proponent of limiting how much time can be banked. Having to budget ~2 1/2 guy's salaries in case a particular guy decides to retire this year is a pain. I also don't think it's healthy for firemen to go over a decade without taking time off. Cases like this are rare however; every department has guys with what can only be described as mental illness: never take time off, never say no to overtime, won't chip in for or participate in dinner, instead eats tuna from dented cans or bargain rack hot dogs by himself. They're the ones you read about who double-up their salary, who get absurd pensions, who turn in 15 years worth of vacation. I'd say these guys account for 2 or 3 out of every 100 fire fighters.


Don't confuse working one's overtime with being cheap at a dinner function or eating cat food to save money. I for one may have no life regarding my hours worked, but I certainly am not one to rip off my friends.

Also, the guys who do pick up all the OT (assuming the ot is necessary in the first place) are allowing others to not take it. It ends up a wash pension wise and depending on tax brackets works out better for the government to pump one guy's salary double than pay two fifty percent more.
 
2014-03-20 08:10:36 PM  

MFK: FTFA: "Similar payouts for unused vacation time cost Harrison taxpayers $950,000, with one employee getting $170,000, the report says".

This shiat really pisses me off. Payouts for unused vacation time should not count as being sketchy. These are public workers who instead of taking their allowed time off, stayed on the job in order to keep serving their municipalities. This isn't payouts for unused vacation time, it's payouts for extra work that the worker put in that was above and beyond their normal duties.


When I worked for the feds, our vacation time past a certain point was "use or lose". It was a good policy in that it kept people from burning out and it also helps avoid the situation where people get up to something nefarious and don't get caught because they're always there to keep sweeping it under the rug. My father, an accountant, ran into a number of those situations where somebody was stealing from their employer and wouldn't take vacation time because their substitute would have discovered it.
 
2014-03-20 08:13:05 PM  

nyseattitude: uber humper: Notabunny: autopsybeverage: MFK: FTFA: "Similar payouts for unused vacation time cost Harrison taxpayers $950,000, with one employee getting $170,000, the report says".

This shiat really pisses me off. Payouts for unused vacation time should not count as being sketchy. These are public workers who instead of taking their allowed time off, stayed on the job in order to keep serving their municipalities. This isn't payouts for unused vacation time, it's payouts for extra work that the worker put in that was above and beyond their normal duties.

Getting more pay for working harder shouldn't apply to the peasants. That would take more from the vastly harder-working job creators.

Whoa, whoa, whoa... Public employees get time off? What bleeding heart liberal whack job came up with this special right? Public serviced is supposed to be a punishment straight from the 7th circle of hell.

States make less, but the average federal employee is pulling about $110k in salary and benifits.  I've seen the average federal employee, and he isn't worth it.

We should start privatizing towns. The free market will fix the problems.


They tried that once the results were not pretty if you were an employee of the town owner.

To make things perfectly clear Mine owners built towns for their employees and ruled them with an ironfist ( the police and and the town government worked for the mine owners) until they were forced to give up control of the towns to the people living in them.
 
2014-03-20 09:15:18 PM  
Is the "thanks obama" joke supposed to deflect attention from the real problems of his policies and actions?
 
2014-03-20 09:53:32 PM  
I'd say it's more like the guy actually went on vacation every year, but he's the mayor and someone fudged the paper work to show that he was working and is still owed money for the accumulated vacation time.  If you talk to an HR expert they will tell you that you really should use all your vacation time.  One of my co-workers recently hit the limit, and they told him to go take a vacation during our most important month of the year.  It all works out in the end, I've never returned from vacation to find everyone sitting on their thumbs waiting for me to make a decision or some huge emergency that couldn't get handled without my involvement.

Regarding the firefighters that actually grab all the overtime, bank their vacation, and sometimes sick time also, it's because of the shift work they do.  I see them all the time at the grocery store with the fire truck parked out front, and they even have bunk rooms so they get paid to sleep.  Anyway, when you're on a three days on, four days off, four days on, three days off schedule, it's easy to make a four or five-six day "vacation" when you're on your weekend according to the time sheet.

Also, if our company required us to work overtime (back in the day) and didn't want to pay for the overtime, they used to give you 1.5 the hours off in compensation.  I've seen it where they required a person to stay late one night and only gave them 1 to 1 time off in exchange.  That's bs.  Either you pay the person the overtime or you give them 1.5 per hour overtime they worked off.  At a time of their choosing also, don't require them to take that "comp time" the next day or "in this pay period" or something.  You should be able to bank "comp time".  HR doesn't need to know about it, it's between you and your manager.

/FFIO
//it is an acronym that our last CEO type guy used often.  It's a good one.  Farkin Figure It Out  You're empowered to do stuff and things around here.  That's why we pay you.
 
2014-03-20 10:24:39 PM  
"is paid" or "has paid"?
 
2014-03-20 10:44:11 PM  

GORDON: Is the "thanks obama" joke supposed to deflect attention from the real problems of his policies and actions?


Depends. Do you think think that foxnews is in cahoots with obama when they discuss everything from the bc to arugala?
 
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