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2014-03-20 02:22:13 PM
Question: Is it more stupider than the Host?
 
2014-03-20 02:24:47 PM
And it will make BANK with the audience it was targeted for.
 
2014-03-20 02:34:00 PM
FTA: This isn't really explained in logical terms and doesn't make sense.

Having read the book on a VERY long plane ride where I ran out of books and had to borrow my sister's, every single concept in that book makes no sense.

Fine, wierd caste system, that's your concept.  At this point, I've read enough books to say "Hey, special light is magic power, you store special light in gems and recharge the gems in giant thunderstorms, that's your concept, it makes no sense, but I buy it for the duration of your books.  Let's see what you do with it."

But you're in an abandoned Chicago(?.  It's a big enough city to have mass transit and for mass transit to be noticeably faster than just walking next to water with a total population that's farking tiny), there's MAYBE 10K people, and you have working mass transit?  FFS, teach everyone to drive at the age of 10.  Mass transit makes no sense in Chicago with 10K people.

eddievercetti: Question: Is it more stupider than the Host?


Having read that on the plane ride back, I can say that they are both so incredibly stupid as to walk past all comparisons into "This is just bloody stupid".

Like comparing Elphinstone to Lord Cardigan in a game of "Worst General".  At a certain point, they're just BAD.
 
2014-03-20 02:34:41 PM
The books weren't bad. Maybe a bit predictable, but I enjoyed them. I don't have a lot of hope for the movies.
 
2014-03-20 02:48:35 PM
I'll just keep my fingers crossed.

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2014-03-20 03:26:16 PM
In other news, Robert Christgau of the Village Voice found  The Wiggles latest effort "Let's Count Our Toes!" sophomoric and lyrically simplistic.
 
2014-03-20 03:44:08 PM
I liked the books better than The Hunger Games but the movie looks terrible.
 
2014-03-20 03:47:58 PM
I pretty much had to stop reading when the author compared The Hunger Games to Battle Royale without even seeing it, which is pretty much like saying that you refuse to watch Star Wars because you are a too much of a fan boy for The Hidden Fortress to be able to get any enjoyment out of it.
 
2014-03-20 03:51:13 PM
 You can say 'Divergent' popped my Young Adult Book series movie cherry.

I could......... But I'm not that cheesy.
I have 50 years of going to the movies alone under my belt and I'm not about to consider anything outside of a critic wide pan of a move as an endorsement. If you say it sucks, it's probably worth watching. If you critics say it is a "must watch" then I already know it is a steaming pile.
Like I said, I have a half a century of watching movies under my belt.
Hopefully, I'll have another one.
 
2014-03-20 03:53:26 PM

eddievercetti: Question: Is it more stupider than the Host?




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The Host was NOT a stupid movie!
 
2014-03-20 03:54:42 PM
I've seen the trailer when I went to see the second Hobbit movie, and my friend and I literally couldn't stop laughing. I know I'm nowhere near the target audience for this movie, but it seems they couldn't have crammed more unimaginative clichés in there if they tried.

I had to concentrate really hard to stifle my laughter once the actual movie started, it was starting to get embarrassing.
 
2014-03-20 03:56:04 PM
So much great, classic Science Fiction literature out there to choose from, and Hollywood continues to shovel this crap into the feedbags of the masses.
 
2014-03-20 04:04:07 PM

LesserEvil: So much great, classic Science Fiction literature out there to choose from, and Hollywood continues to shovel this crap into the feedbags of the masses.


There's a great article that I can't find, but it basically goes like this.

The job of a movie executive is the most stressful job in the world.  A scruffy-haired man comes in and asks you for 100 million dollars to make a movie about wizards and dragons.

"Can I at least See the dragons first?"
"No, we'll add them in post-production.  We'll put the actors on piles of blue and occasionally shove a broom in their face".


So when something works, everyone piles on with the most loosely connected of concepts if only to try and make their ulcers go away.
 
2014-03-20 04:06:49 PM

LesserEvil: So much great, classic Science Fiction literature out there to choose from, and Hollywood continues to shovel this crap into the feedbags of the masses.


It's generally easy money because you have a big built in audience. As The Hunger Games and Frozen have shown, young girls love movies with strong heroines, and unfortunately a lot of classic sci-fi is either a sausage fest or they write female characters that don't appeal to girls. Hence movies like this that are cashing in on the pent up demand for girls to see female heroes.

That said, I have no clue why no one has done the Star My Destination. It would be an awesome sci-fi revenge thriller.
 
2014-03-20 04:10:34 PM

R.A.Danny: The books weren't bad. Maybe a bit predictable, but I enjoyed them. I don't have a lot of hope for the movies.


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2014-03-20 04:13:10 PM

Mad_Radhu: I pretty much had to stop reading when the author compared The Hunger Games to Battle Royale without even seeing it, which is pretty much like saying that you refuse to watch Star Wars because you are a too much of a fan boy for The Hidden Fortress to be able to get any enjoyment out of it.


Do the former two not have much more in common than the latter two?
 
2014-03-20 04:15:29 PM
So he hasn't seen The Hunger Games but has decided that Battle Royale is better, apparently because there can only be one good movie in a given tone and he already say and liked Battle Royale.

That gives me great confidence in his critical review skills.
 
2014-03-20 04:25:02 PM
Battle Royale is better than Hunger Games.  WTF are you people smoking?
 
2014-03-20 04:27:14 PM
I'm surprised the reviewer hasn't seen any young adult movies. He writes like he's in the eighth grade.
 
2014-03-20 04:27:35 PM
Is it worse than City of Bones?  Because the movie version of that was unbelievably farking terrible.
 
2014-03-20 04:29:24 PM
I read the book. Hey, Hunger Games was a good read, so...anyway. Divergent was meh. The world-building was actually okay, the part where the girl is learning how to be a part of her new group was good (except the cringe inducing, ham handed romance stuff. I'm, cool with romance in the YA books, but this was REALLY lamely done). Finally, about 3/4 (or 9/10) of the way in the plot conflicts finally kicked in, and I was thinking, "this book needs to be longer or something because all this shiat happening in the last few chapters needed more buildup."
 
2014-03-20 04:29:38 PM

tagkc: eddievercetti: Question: Is it more stupider than the Host?

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The Host was NOT a stupid movie!


Totally different movie.  THAT The Host is very good, OTHER The Host is very bad. (Well, the book anyway).
 
2014-03-20 04:30:16 PM
Maybe I'm just a curmuddgeon or whatever but I'm getting real sick of poorly written tween lit being marketed to, and turned into films for, adults.
 
2014-03-20 04:30:55 PM

miniflea: Mad_Radhu: I pretty much had to stop reading when the author compared The Hunger Games to Battle Royale without even seeing it, which is pretty much like saying that you refuse to watch Star Wars because you are a too much of a fan boy for The Hidden Fortress to be able to get any enjoyment out of it.

Do the former two not have much more in common than the latter two?


Actually, no. The Hunger Games only shares a general theme of kids being asked to fight one another to the death by a fascist government, with the stories developing in very different ways, where Star Wars lifted a lot of the storyline from The Hidden Fortress and put it in sci-fi drag.

It just pisses me off when people dismiss a story out of hand because the overall plot is vague similar. For example, The Lord of the Rings and Game of Thrones both deal with similar subject matter - a divided kingdom of men facing the return of an ancient evil that they though vanquished, but you don't see a lot of people complaining that GRRM is ripping off Tolkien because the details of the stories are so very different. You cam love both without having to choose one over the other. I just don't get why some geeks have to dismiss The Hunger Games because an obscure to the general population Japanese film did something vaguely similar, especially when Battle Royale doesn't even touch some of the bigger themes of The Hunger Games, like the personal cost of becoming a symbol of something bigger than yourself, and being forced to take sides in a civil war where even the "good" side can't be trusted not to stab you in the back for political reasons.

It is just annoying hipsterism where it seems they feel threatened by the larger culture loving something kind of sort of like something they loved, and I find it REALLY annoying.
 
2014-03-20 04:32:06 PM
That article is in need of an editor.


Mad_Radhu: I pretty much had to stop reading when the author compared The Hunger Games to Battle Royale without even seeing it, which is pretty much like saying that you refuse to watch Star Wars because you are a too much of a fan boy for The Hidden Fortress to be able to get any enjoyment out of it.


I agree.  Not all stories that incorporate multiple factions battling for supremacy or survival in an arena are the same.  It is a lazy excuse not to watch a movie.

I'd recommend against watching The Hunger Games because of the amount of material that they omitted from the book.  The plot clearly revolves around the politics of the civil war and how the new government is oppressing losing districts.  But the movies don't really start to elaborate on that until Catching Fire.  Maybe the studio figured that they wouldn't be able to elaborate on the non-action side of the story without weighing the movie down. Whatever the reason, a good deal of the movie's story was unclear to me until I read the book.
 
2014-03-20 04:32:22 PM

Mad_Radhu: I pretty much had to stop reading when the author compared The Hunger Games to Battle Royale without even seeing it, which is pretty much like saying that you refuse to watch Star Wars because you are a too much of a fan boy for The Hidden Fortress to be able to get any enjoyment out of it.


THIS.  I read Battle Royale a while ago but it didn't make me enjoy The Hunger Games any less, books or movies.  I'm not sure if I'd want to see the BR movie though--the book was bloody and I'm told the movie lives up to that and I'm not a fan of super-bloody movies.
 
2014-03-20 04:43:40 PM

tagkc: eddievercetti: Question: Is it more stupider than the Host?

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The Host was NOT a stupid movie!


I mean this one...

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2014-03-20 04:49:45 PM
The Hunger Games was a good movie from a meh book. I haven't read any of the Mortal Instruments books, but I thought the movie was pretty good and was hoping that series would continue. It's not keeping me up nights though
 
2014-03-20 04:54:37 PM

meyerkev: FTA: This isn't really explained in logical terms and doesn't make sense.

Having read the book on a VERY long plane ride where I ran out of books and had to borrow my sister's, every single concept in that book makes no sense.

Fine, wierd caste system, that's your concept.  At this point, I've read enough books to say "Hey, special light is magic power, you store special light in gems and recharge the gems in giant thunderstorms, that's your concept, it makes no sense, but I buy it for the duration of your books.  Let's see what you do with it."

But you're in an abandoned Chicago(?.  It's a big enough city to have mass transit and for mass transit to be noticeably faster than just walking next to water with a total population that's farking tiny), there's MAYBE 10K people, and you have working mass transit?  FFS, teach everyone to drive at the age of 10.  Mass transit makes no sense in Chicago with 10K people.



No, the faction-family part is explained just fine. You're supposed to view your ties to your faction above all else, the division of factions is supposed to be what helped society move on after whatever catastrophe struck. OK, I got that. the problem was the pacing. That chick wasted about 100 pages going over(and over and over) the differences between the factions, and why Dauntless would do this, or Abnegation would do that. Also, the author absolutely SUCKS at YA romance. To me, that was the worst part. It was a decent storyline, but all of that "Does he like me?', 'Did he just look at me?', 'OMG, I think he smiled at JUST me!' shiat got old. I even tried to read the second book, and gave up 60 pages in because they ramped up the stupid romance crap higher and higher. If anything though, they explained the faction thing to death.

I enjoyed the Hunger Games books and the Harry Potter books, so YA fiction doesn't really bother me, but they both handled romance between characters much better. I was kind of hoping the movie would be better than the book, because there is some potential there, but if they stayed too close to the book, then it's just going to be a lot of the two characters staring longingly into each other's eyes...
 
2014-03-20 05:03:21 PM
I figure enough of these YA movies will tank in the next few years that studios will abandon the genre overnight.

The new one about kids in a maze looks especially craptacular.
 
2014-03-20 05:07:50 PM

JammerJim: I read the book. Hey, Hunger Games was a good read, so...anyway. Divergent was meh. The world-building was actually okay, the part where the girl is learning how to be a part of her new group was good (except the cringe inducing, ham handed romance stuff. I'm, cool with romance in the YA books, but this was REALLY lamely done). Finally, about 3/4 (or 9/10) of the way in the plot conflicts finally kicked in, and I was thinking, "this book needs to be longer or something because all this shiat happening in the last few chapters needed more buildup."


Yeah, I thought the romance angle was very poorly done, and by the end, I was more or less done with the constant revisiting of what the factions were, how they were different, and why one would do things one way, and another would do them differently, that I was ready for it to be over.

Some authors have it, and some don't. Some can write like gangbusters right out of the gate, and some need to learn as they go. Book sales shouldn't be an indicator, though, since some really crappy books sell a metric shiat ton, and some series take off when it turns out that the first(or first and second) books aren't actually that good.

if you want to see something progress, I suggest the Harry Desden series, it's a good indicator. For the first 3 or so books, he has characters with potential, but they take their little personality quirks so far that they're annoying, rather than fresh. Somewhere during the 3rd book, he starts pulling back a little on the characters, and makes them more interesting and less annoying. Then around book #8, they become characters you like and actually WANT to read more. Don't get me wrong: up until then it's a fun series, but you can see reasons to maybe not finish. Eventually, he figures out what he's doing, and you start to CARE about the characters. This seems like that kind of writing, maybe by the 3rd book, the chick figured how to write the drama and romance, but definitely not in the 1st.

Another good example of a writer who doesn't quite 'get it' is Anne Rice. Everything I've read by that woman is about 75% good, and then when you get about 2/3 of the way through the book, it's like she realized that she was coming in under contract and needed to flesh out the story, so she wanders though some non-related bullshiat for 75 or 100 pages, then suddenly veers right back on track. Tom Clancy is another example, he'll write a 1,000 page book where 900 pages is the buildup, 60 pages is the entire conflict and resolution, and 40 pages is the aftermath.
 
2014-03-20 05:11:47 PM

Dinjiin: That article is in need of an editor.


Mad_Radhu: I pretty much had to stop reading when the author compared The Hunger Games to Battle Royale without even seeing it, which is pretty much like saying that you refuse to watch Star Wars because you are a too much of a fan boy for The Hidden Fortress to be able to get any enjoyment out of it.

I agree.  Not all stories that incorporate multiple factions battling for supremacy or survival in an arena are the same.  It is a lazy excuse not to watch a movie.

I'd recommend against watching The Hunger Games because of the amount of material that they omitted from the book.  The plot clearly revolves around the politics of the civil war and how the new government is oppressing losing districts.  But the movies don't really start to elaborate on that until Catching Fire. Maybe the studio figured that they wouldn't be able to elaborate on the non-action side of the story without weighing the movie down. Whatever the reason, a good deal of the movie's story was unclear to me until I read the book.


It takes a lot of screen time to adequately introduce characters, build backstory and set the stage. Also, a page of script is roughly equal to 1 minute of film, adding camera directions and scene descriptions, there's really no way that you could fit a 300 page book into a feature length film without cutting some stuff out, I see waiting until the second movie to reveal the oppression thing, since otherwise, the second movie would really just be the first movie in a new setting for the Games.
 
2014-03-20 05:11:56 PM
I thought the first book was good but it went downhill really quick. I hate myself that I have to finish a book series once I start it.

I just finished the Wool series though and thought that was fantastic.
 
2014-03-20 05:12:10 PM
Wait, it's called 'Divergent'? I kept hearing about this movie, I thought the title was 'Die, Virgin'.
 
2014-03-20 05:13:25 PM

eddievercetti: Question: Is it more stupider than the Host?


I liked The Host....
 
2014-03-20 05:17:57 PM
Not sure if the poor grammar in the review helps or hurts the "This movie is stupid" case
 
2014-03-20 05:22:31 PM
I'm not eager to see "Harry Potter meets The Hunger Games."
 
2014-03-20 05:29:52 PM

meyerkev: Fine, wierd caste system, that's your concept. At this point, I've read enough books to say "Hey, special light is magic power, you store special light in gems and recharge the gems in giant thunderstorms, that's your concept, it makes no sense, but I buy it for the duration of your books. Let's see what you do with it."


heh, i just finished the second one. its not going to win the pulitzer, but i enjoyed it
 
2014-03-20 05:33:46 PM

Mad_Radhu: As The Hunger Games and Frozen have shown, young girls love movies with strong heroines


Lolwut.  I suppose I can go with Frozen based on what I heard, tho I haven't seen it, but The Hunger Games?  Katniss is strong compared to Bella, but the threadbare socks on my feet are strong compared to Bella.  She's got a bit of physical toughness that just comes from growing up in poverty but she's really nothing special compared to any farm girl.  I know some girls IRL who could kick her ass, and this is the protagonist of the movie.
 
2014-03-20 05:41:37 PM

Marisyana: Mad_Radhu: I pretty much had to stop reading when the author compared The Hunger Games to Battle Royale without even seeing it, which is pretty much like saying that you refuse to watch Star Wars because you are a too much of a fan boy for The Hidden Fortress to be able to get any enjoyment out of it.

THIS.  I read Battle Royale a while ago but it didn't make me enjoy The Hunger Games any less, books or movies.  I'm not sure if I'd want to see the BR movie though--the book was bloody and I'm told the movie lives up to that and I'm not a fan of super-bloody movies.


Yeah, the Battle Royale is much bloodier and darker than Hunger Games and over all a much much better movie. It still is in the top 10 grossing films in Japan.

After Collins runs out of BR material to use, the Hunger Games becomes a complete mess. I have no idea how they will make two movies out of that last book. The plot becomes bizarre and senseless.
 
2014-03-20 05:46:04 PM
The previews look horrible.  It looks like government overthrow type masturbatory fiction.
 
2014-03-20 05:58:10 PM
Here is a basic list of the books/series that we've had to buy multiple copies of since I started teaching:
Harry Potter
The Giver
Twilight
Percy Jackson
Twilight
Hunger Games
Divergent

Of that list, no one has told me I have to read Divergent. No one has talked to me about it. No one has asked me questions. Its like they read it because they saw someone else read it and assumed it was good. I don't quite understand it. Then they read the sequel because they have to or something.
 
2014-03-20 06:02:14 PM
I would watch 90% of forgotten realms or dragonlance books if converted to either movie or tv show format.

So, I can't really get upset at what teenage girls escape the shiattiness of middle school with.

Although I must admit, I haven't even seen lotr yet :)
 
2014-03-20 06:05:18 PM

LesserEvil: So much great, classic Science Fiction literature out there to choose from, and Hollywood continues to shovel this crap into the feedbags of the masses.


So much this!!!

How about Larry Niven's 'Ringworld'....

'Riverworld' - Philip Jose Farmer

'Rendezvous with Rama' - Arthur C. Clarke

'Stranger in a Strange Land' - Robert Heinlein

Lots more - make suggestions!
 
2014-03-20 06:05:42 PM

ilikeracecars: Here is a basic list of the books/series that we've had to buy multiple copies of since I started teaching:
Harry Potter
The Giver
Twilight
Percy Jackson
Twilight
Hunger Games
Divergent

Of that list, no one has told me I have to read Divergent. No one has talked to me about it. No one has asked me questions. Its like they read it because they saw someone else read it and assumed it was good. I don't quite understand it. Then they read the sequel because they have to or something.


As long as it is no more than a trilogy, reading sequels is mandatory for me. I can't not do it.
 
2014-03-20 06:12:03 PM
Ok, I'll admit it. My name is Bryan Kluger, and I'm a Young Adult Movie virgin. I've never seen a 'Twilight' movie nor have I seen either of 'The Hunger Games' yet. And to be perfectly honest, I have not yet read any of these books that the movies were based on. Part of it is that I never got around to it while another part was that these stories didn't really interest me.

You can stop reading right there.  Wish I had.
 
2014-03-20 06:14:57 PM

devilEther: Wait, it's called 'Divergent'? I kept hearing about this movie, I thought the title was 'Die, Virgin'.


My best friend and I crack up every time the trailer comes on because we think the movie should star a mustachioed man with a cane, top hat and old-timey diving helmet.

Diver Gent!
 
2014-03-20 06:15:57 PM

StrikitRich: Ok, I'll admit it. My name is Bryan Kluger, and I'm a Young Adult Movie virgin. I've never seen a 'Twilight' movie nor have I seen either of 'The Hunger Games' yet. And to be perfectly honest, I have not yet read any of these books that the movies were based on. Part of it is that I never got around to it while another part was that these stories didn't really interest me.

You can stop reading right there.  Wish I had.


Here's where I stopped reading:

And with 'The Hunger Games', while I've heard that these films are actually very well made and entertaining, I can't but draw glaring similarities to the 2000′s Japanese film 'Battle Royale'. I know they two worlds are different, but the overall tone and story are the same. And I find myself saying when someone wants to watch 'The Hunger Games', "I'd rather be watching 'Battle Royale', and we end up not viewing it.

Nope, I don't recall the tone being the same.
 
2014-03-20 06:16:54 PM
meyerkev:"Hey, special light is magic power, you store special light in gems and recharge the gems in giant thunderstorms, that's your concept, it makes no sense, but I buy it for the duration of your books.  Let's see what you do with it."


Just so you know, this comment wounds me.  When the discussion is focused on trashy teen novels you slander Sanderson and the Way of Kings.  Plus, when you read sci-fi and fantasy you can't just say a major concept of the book 'doesn't make sense'.  If you did, you would have to say that about a random set of magic words, or whatever future tech is used.  But you chose to say it about that book.  Take it back!
 
2014-03-20 06:22:12 PM

ilikeracecars: Here is a basic list of the books/series that we've had to buy multiple copies of since I started teaching:
Harry Potter
The Giver
Twilight
Percy Jackson
Twilight
Hunger Games
Divergent

Of that list, no one has told me I have to read Divergent. No one has talked to me about it. No one has asked me questions. Its like they read it because they saw someone else read it and assumed it was good. I don't quite understand it. Then they read the sequel because they have to or something.


I read the first HP. Watched the movies for the rest of the series, and remained unimpressed.
Just saw the trailer for The Giver. Good cast, interesting thing with the memory device.
Twilight was shiat.
Percy Jackson was not on my radar.
Hunger Games was pretty good. Collins took the series in an interesting direction, and Katniss matures in a very real way at the end. Not great lit, but not bad. Movies are fun, and stick to the books by and large.
 
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