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(The Atlantic)   If you watch NCIS, you love Big Brother   (theatlantic.com) divider line 36
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2014-03-20 01:04:14 PM  
5 votes:
To be fair, it's probably partially accurate. NCIS is really popular with people over the age of 55, which seems to politically skew...is fascist the right term nowadays?
2014-03-20 02:13:08 PM  
4 votes:
The writer of that article has their head firmly up their ass. People don't watch the show because they somehow support the idea of comprehensive spying on the U.S. public. They watch it because of the chemistry of the cast. And while it's not the greatest cop show of
all time, it is certainly far better than a lot of shows that have come and gone.

Admittedly, my experience with the show is a few years old. But when I watched it, it was enjoyable light TV entertainment.
2014-03-20 02:16:30 PM  
3 votes:
Right, and by this logic, if you read The Atlantic, you are supporting the Obama administration's real life surveillance and drone strikes, since The Atlantic has been a Democratic Party cheerleader for decades.
2014-03-20 02:12:15 PM  
3 votes:
I don't know about Big Brother but I do know (based on 30 minutes of total viewing) that if you watch NCIS you love hilariously generic clichéd crime drama.
2014-03-20 03:40:58 PM  
2 votes:
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Given the right circumstances, I'm pretty sure a lot of guys wouldn't mind being surveiled.
2014-03-20 02:48:07 PM  
2 votes:

Walker: Never watched it, any CSI show, Person of Interest, etc. Hate big brother.


Person of Interest is terrifying because it's actually plausible.

More and more cities are using surveillance tech like Trapwire to monitor citizen behavior. We've now surpassed the paranoid dystopias of 1984 and A Scanner Darkly by leaps and bounds.
2014-03-20 02:41:13 PM  
2 votes:
Lemme see:

1. Anorexic policewomen
2. Unprofessional CSI staff
3. Soap Opera plots
4. No intelligent criminals
5. Completely ludicrous plots
6. Futuristic technology
7. Zero police budget constraints
8. Station looks like an international smuggler's fark pad
9. Every crime location is exotic and gorgeous
10. Everyone on the show is a stereotype, most annoying of which is the goth CSI chick
11. These police procedurals rarely ever follow real procedure.

I am forced to watch bits of these shows by proxy.
2014-03-20 02:38:00 PM  
2 votes:

GentlemanJ: The Atlantic has been a Democratic Party cheerleader for decades.


David G. Bradley has been the owner of The Atlantic for nine years. He is a self-described Neocon who cheerleaded for the Iraq invasion. During those nine years, his most prominent hires were libertarian Andrew Sullivan and Jeffrey "liberals are fascists" Goldberg.
2014-03-20 02:26:03 PM  
2 votes:
NCIS is no good without Ziva. I tried to watch an episode a month or two back and lost interest. The new character (s?) bore me.

That being said, when Ziva was still around, it was a fun ensemble show with entertaining characters. And yeah, some cliches, but a lot of good humor too. DiNozzo is hilarious.

I am uncertain, however, why Sean Murray is currently shilling for some alarm company. After that many years on a popular show he can't possibly need the money.
2014-03-20 02:25:43 PM  
2 votes:
My antenna has twitched more than once watching this show and the various Law and order shows when the writers are clearly tying to get you to cheer for things like torture of prisoners, intrusive surveillance or Federal authorities wildly violating the 4th amendment (the Bullet headed detective on SVU has more than once told some crime suspect that if he didn't confess he'd turn the case over to the feds, get the guy declared a terrorist and whisked away to some foreign hellhole  be held without charges-and he's supposed to be the GOOD guy)

At first I figured it was sloppy writing, but remember the payola the National Drug Control Policy office used to dole out to tv shows in the 90's if they incorporated anti-drug story lines and NDCP-approved messages into their shows, I've long stopped thinking this is an accident.

Still better than listening to old-time radio shows from the 40's like   Dragnet when apparently "Miranda" was just the name of their favorite stripper, and "illegal search and seizure" was apparently not a thing.
2014-03-20 02:25:30 PM  
2 votes:

bdub77: To be fair, it's probably partially accurate. NCIS is really popular with people over the age of 55, which seems to politically skew...is fascist the right term nowadays?


Authoritarian or statist is probably more apt, fascist is kinda vague and overused. But I don't think anyone wants to watch a realistic show about crime, waiting 3 months for DNA results only to find them contaminated wouldn't be exciting.
2014-03-20 12:21:30 PM  
2 votes:
No, but big sister does get a rise out of me

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2014-03-20 09:54:17 PM  
1 votes:
I watch NCIS even though I'm not in favor of Big Brother. This season's addition of an NSA agent, extolling their virtues was completely over the top.

The original didn't start off that bad though so I've sort of kept watching it out of inertia. I don't think it will last much longer.

NCIS:LA on the other hand has always been atrocious.
2014-03-20 09:27:17 PM  
1 votes:

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Lost me when she was gone.

Hummana...


Yeah....way hotter than Ziva.


My wife will not watch NCIS with me anymore. I ruined it for her. It pretty much boiled down to me complaining about:

Gibbs talking to everyone he encounters like they fell out of his arse. I don't care how tough you are, you're not talking to the head of your agency and the flipping Secretary of the Navy the way he does.

How easy it was to predict the bad guy once the businessperson or defense contractor showed up

 Ziva could beat up the entire world. It was almost like an early Steven Seagal movie.

I've only see the pilot of NCIS:La and didn't like it at all, so I can't speak about anything in TFA about that show, but I'd say that however many things to pick on NCIS about, it'd be patently false to say the show goes after Muslims all the time. They seem to have as many problems with the Mossad as anybody else.


allylloyd: Law and Order (the original) WAS the best show on TV! Why--20 SEASONS! The only reason it was cancelled was because Gunsmoke was also on for 20 years. (The producers and NBC basically want a crime drama and a western remembered as the best TV shows) Why was Law and Order so successful? Because it was able to make cast changes without any trouble. One actor's contract didn't work; they found another actor. They realized they needed women on the show; they wrote in one police officer and one Asst. DA. One very popular actor (Jerry Orbach) dies; so did the character (Lenny Briscoe) and the show went on... They tried writing about characters personal lives; it didn't work. They never did it again. The writing and acting on this show was GREAT!

//Law & Order: Criminal Intent was better. But Vincent D'Onforio didn't want to continue...
//Law & Order: SVU is okay...


I always thought Jay Leno got the blame for the departure of the L&O flagship.


NBC should have moved mountains to keep the original on the air, IMHO.
2014-03-20 04:28:50 PM  
1 votes:

Okieboy: The only copy show I watch is Law & Order SVU, and kind of like how Pawn Stars is getting, I mostly only watch it for the character interaction and not necessarily for the content....


I'm on a Hulu-drive L&O:SVU bender and have watched the first 9 seasons.  All I do is go "yep, that's how that works" on a regular basis.

An FBI agent can pop a CD into an NYPD computer sitting in a precint office and connect to every cell phone company NOC.

Encryption is something you can easily turn off to get at the contents.

CSU/CSI employees are allowed to tag along on raids and even interrogate suspects/subjects and regularly engage in open gross unprofessionalism.

The Medical Examiner basically works for the police and is as interested in helping the case as they are presenting an objective picture of what happened.

SWAT teams don't methodically clear an area, but rather do a cursory runthrough before leaving the detectives completely alone.  NJ SWAT teams will happily leave two NYPD detectives completely alone in a blatant crime scene after searching the area for 30 seconds.

There's no need to radio into control/command/base when entering abandoned buildings or potential hot crime scenes.
2014-03-20 03:48:41 PM  
1 votes:
Its a TV show.

Its entertainment

I watch pro-wrestling. Does that mean I like watching people beating the shiat out of each other? Well, maybe, but where did I park my car...
2014-03-20 03:33:03 PM  
1 votes:
FTA:  " In the actual NYPD, 1 officer in 800 fired at a suspect in 2012"

The rest fired at civilians, dogs, streetlights, and the moon :)
2014-03-20 03:31:25 PM  
1 votes:
Here's the truth: we ALL need Twinkies.

A Twinkie, as we all know, is nutritionally defunct, right? But sometimes, no matter how healthful your diet, you simply gotta have a Twinkie - once a week, or once a decade, whatever.

All TV shows are Twinkies for the brain - a way to give your consciousness a little nap while you're still awake - no matter what they are.

Remember, the television is optional, while air, water and food are not.

/I love me plenty of brain Twinkies. But even I draw the line at NCIS.
2014-03-20 03:31:02 PM  
1 votes:
Other things I wholeheartedly support and endorse, at least according to article's author:

Crooked cops
Meth heads
Condescending doctors
Serial killers
Zombies
Dragons
2014-03-20 03:29:06 PM  
1 votes:
vernonFL: I just think Michael Weatherly Mark Harmon is hot

/FTFY
2014-03-20 03:26:43 PM  
1 votes:

Cerebral Ballsy: Lemme see:

2. Unprofessional CSI staff
3. Soap Opera plots
5. Completely ludicrous plots
10. Everyone on the show is a stereotype, most annoying of which is the goth CSI chick
11. These police procedurals rarely ever follow real procedure.

2014-03-20 03:26:17 PM  
1 votes:
mike_d85:  For example: do we get a warrant and put this drug dealer away forever, or do we intervene now when he'll walk a week later, but that high school kid won't try heroine?

It depends on who the heroine is.
2014-03-20 03:20:43 PM  
1 votes:
I think the author is on the right track.  I don't think that everyone who watches or enjoys the shows necessarily supports what Big Brother is doing in them, but the shows are certainly normalizing it, making people believe that what "they" can/will do is right, just, and legal.  My wife gets infuriated when I watch Law and Order (especially SVU) with her because I constantly remind her 90% of the stuff they do and say is completely un-Constitutional.
2014-03-20 03:13:40 PM  
1 votes:
DNRTFA, but it sounds like another one of those things where the writer assumes that the people who watch things are incapable of critical thought. Which may be true in specific cases, and even a LOT of specific cases, but is not universally true. My mom watches NCIS constantly and has no love for the surveillance state. The actual problem- the idea that the people making these shows are hoping you will think this way after watching enough of them -sounds as though it got buried under some worst-case-scenario fearmongering.

Evil Librul Hollywood pushing a super-conservative pro-establishment agenda is still noteworthy, but not news. Hollywood is firmly part of the establishment, and is owned by the same moneymen who are distorting every other aspect of our culture whenever possible.
2014-03-20 03:08:57 PM  
1 votes:
I was the same way - used to be somewhat entertaining, but especially in NCIS: LA, it's just over the top.

First there's the techies who often say things like "It's impossible to break into this system/bypass this encryption, but I'm good" and does it in 10 seconds.  Then of course there's the ridiculous surveillance that can find anyone anywhere as mentioned in the article.


The worst part is the agents.  At least in NCIS, they bring them to a normal building and sometimes even have a lawyer present.  In NCIS: LA, they bring them to a sketchy boat house, where the agents aren't identified as such, then proceed to interrogate and even torture people in order to get the results they need.  Of course lawyers are never involved and what lawyer is going to show up at the sketchy boat house?
2014-03-20 02:50:35 PM  
1 votes:

Dragonflew: FTFA: A closer look reveals that both series are uncomfortably akin to a cheering section for the NSA

Oh, fark right off. I enjoyed Dexter, am I cheering for serial killers?


There's a scene at the end of season 3? Where they show Dexter imagining a crowd of people cheering him. The crowd of people is supposed to be us, the audience. That is the writer(s) being cheeky and saying yes, you do support the character's killing habits.
2014-03-20 02:49:28 PM  
1 votes:

Gig103: Walker: Never watched it, any CSI show, Person of Interest, etc. Hate big brother.

At least Person of Interest doesn't show the "good" that is supposedly coming of the surveillance (i.e. stopping criminals, terrorists, etc), It's just a plot device to enable vigilante justice.


I think that's a little simplistic.  They were very careful to explain that the people they were "saving" were too unimportant to warrant the Gub'ment stepping in (i.e.accountant embezzling  money from the mob), so they would fall into "after they're dead, the police will investigate" category.  So, they are not vigilantes per se, they are saving people who otherwise would have been killed - so more pre-crime than vigilante.

Police don't stop crime, they solve past crimes.

/of course, that was before the Root character...now it's full-on spy thriller
2014-03-20 02:37:37 PM  
1 votes:

Gunboat: notatrollorami: I don't know about Big Brother but I do know (based on 30 minutes of total viewing) that if you watch NCIS you love hilariously generic clichéd crime drama.

Slightly off topic, but only slightly.
My former father-in-law's new wife insisted that watching MacGyver was educational and good for children because it would teach them about science.


When I was in like...mmmmm...sixth/seventh grade maybe, I used to enjoy MacGyver. Whenever my dad tried to watch with my tho, I had to leave the room. He's a retired engineer now, but at the time, well, he ruined every episode for me by explaining how the science was close...but not all that accurate. Like watching Gravity with Degrasse-Tyson (sp?) I imagine.
2014-03-20 02:37:06 PM  
1 votes:
I've switched from NCIS to Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Skyler is hawt.
2014-03-20 02:36:46 PM  
1 votes:

notatrollorami: I don't know about Big Brother but I do know (based on 30 minutes of total viewing) that if you watch NCIS you love hilariously generic clichéd crime drama.


I do actually. Pretty much any procedural crime show, though I enjoy the original CSI the most, followed by Criminal Minds and NCIS, and probably law and order somewhere way down on the list. And I can't stand the other CSI shows.

But I admit I just enjoy the mystery procedural, I love seeing a mystery laid out and then solved cleanly, and one of my favorite book genres is urban fantasy.

So I won't say it's good reading or watching, but I enjoy it.
2014-03-20 02:32:33 PM  
1 votes:

Magorn: My antenna has twitched more than once watching this show and the various Law and order shows when the writers are clearly tying to get you to cheer for things like torture of prisoners, intrusive surveillance or Federal authorities wildly violating the 4th amendment (the Bullet headed detective on SVU has more than once told some crime suspect that if he didn't confess he'd turn the case over to the feds, get the guy declared a terrorist and whisked away to some foreign hellhole  be held without charges-and he's supposed to be the GOOD guy)

At first I figured it was sloppy writing, but remember the payola the National Drug Control Policy office used to dole out to tv shows in the 90's if they incorporated anti-drug story lines and NDCP-approved messages into their shows, I've long stopped thinking this is an accident.

Still better than listening to old-time radio shows from the 40's like   Dragnet when apparently "Miranda" was just the name of their favorite stripper, and "illegal search and seizure" was apparently not a thing.


The Miranda warning didn't become law until 1964 or 1965. It was still brand new when Dragnet 1967 was being filmed.
2014-03-20 02:30:47 PM  
1 votes:

notatrollorami: I don't know about Big Brother but I do know (based on 30 minutes of total viewing) that if you watch NCIS you love hilariously generic clichéd crime drama.


This. These shows are horrible.
2014-03-20 02:23:38 PM  
1 votes:
or you could just watch a show that involves the outrageous technology of bugging pay phones, constant search warrant and probable cause problems, manual surveillance, and letting the bad guys get away

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2014-03-20 01:50:30 PM  
1 votes:

Walker: Never watched it, any CSI show, Person of Interest, etc. Hate big brother.


At least Person of Interest doesn't show the "good" that is supposedly coming of the surveillance (i.e. stopping criminals, terrorists, etc), It's just a plot device to enable vigilante justice.
2014-03-20 12:41:15 PM  
1 votes:
Yeah, so what if I like Big Brother. Think Amanda and McCrae will last?
2014-03-20 12:33:07 PM  
1 votes:
I just think Michael Weatherly is hot
 
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