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(The Atlantic)   If you watch NCIS, you love Big Brother   (theatlantic.com ) divider line
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2014-03-20 12:21:30 PM  
No, but big sister does get a rise out of me

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2014-03-20 12:29:43 PM  
Never watched it, any CSI show, Person of Interest, etc. Hate big brother.
 
2014-03-20 12:33:07 PM  
I just think Michael Weatherly is hot
 
2014-03-20 12:41:15 PM  
Yeah, so what if I like Big Brother. Think Amanda and McCrae will last?
 
2014-03-20 01:04:14 PM  
To be fair, it's probably partially accurate. NCIS is really popular with people over the age of 55, which seems to politically skew...is fascist the right term nowadays?
 
2014-03-20 01:09:59 PM  
why does Hollywood seem so enthusiastic about promoting the notion that the innocent have nothing to fear from Fourth Amendment violations and ubiquitous electronic surveillance?

It's called a plot device. Technology that might be a little ahead of our own to get the story moving. As for the Fourth Amendment and surveillance, tv shows or not, better start getting used to it.
 
2014-03-20 01:11:14 PM  
....Oh and I heart Abby.
 
2014-03-20 01:50:30 PM  

Walker: Never watched it, any CSI show, Person of Interest, etc. Hate big brother.


At least Person of Interest doesn't show the "good" that is supposedly coming of the surveillance (i.e. stopping criminals, terrorists, etc), It's just a plot device to enable vigilante justice.
 
2014-03-20 02:04:21 PM  

bdub77: To be fair, it's probably partially accurate. NCIS is really popular with people over the age of 55, which seems to politically skew...is fascist the right term nowadays?


While being forced to watch this show years ago at a cousin's house, I mentioned how I wish they had money for writing, acting, directing and mirrors (because come ON, who walks out of the house like that every day, ponytailed dolt?) and the reaction I got from the mouth-breathers was insane.

/Their favorite show.
 
2014-03-20 02:12:15 PM  
I don't know about Big Brother but I do know (based on 30 minutes of total viewing) that if you watch NCIS you love hilariously generic clichéd crime drama.
 
2014-03-20 02:13:08 PM  
The writer of that article has their head firmly up their ass. People don't watch the show because they somehow support the idea of comprehensive spying on the U.S. public. They watch it because of the chemistry of the cast. And while it's not the greatest cop show of
all time, it is certainly far better than a lot of shows that have come and gone.

Admittedly, my experience with the show is a few years old. But when I watched it, it was enjoyable light TV entertainment.
 
2014-03-20 02:13:42 PM  
FTA But in today's political climate, why does Hollywood seem so enthusiastic about promoting the notion that the innocent have nothing to fear from Fourth Amendment violations and ubiquitous electronic surveillance?


For the same reason Hollywood in general loves the military: speak poorly of a group you occasionally want cooperation from and you're unlikely to get it.
 
2014-03-20 02:16:30 PM  
Right, and by this logic, if you read The Atlantic, you are supporting the Obama administration's real life surveillance and drone strikes, since The Atlantic has been a Democratic Party cheerleader for decades.
 
2014-03-20 02:17:57 PM  

notatrollorami: I don't know about Big Brother but I do know (based on 30 minutes of total viewing) that if you watch NCIS you love hilariously generic clichéd crime drama.


Slightly off topic, but only slightly.
My former father-in-law's new wife insisted that watching MacGyver was educational and good for children because it would teach them about science.
 
2014-03-20 02:23:38 PM  
or you could just watch a show that involves the outrageous technology of bugging pay phones, constant search warrant and probable cause problems, manual surveillance, and letting the bad guys get away

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2014-03-20 02:25:30 PM  

bdub77: To be fair, it's probably partially accurate. NCIS is really popular with people over the age of 55, which seems to politically skew...is fascist the right term nowadays?


Authoritarian or statist is probably more apt, fascist is kinda vague and overused. But I don't think anyone wants to watch a realistic show about crime, waiting 3 months for DNA results only to find them contaminated wouldn't be exciting.
 
2014-03-20 02:25:43 PM  
My antenna has twitched more than once watching this show and the various Law and order shows when the writers are clearly tying to get you to cheer for things like torture of prisoners, intrusive surveillance or Federal authorities wildly violating the 4th amendment (the Bullet headed detective on SVU has more than once told some crime suspect that if he didn't confess he'd turn the case over to the feds, get the guy declared a terrorist and whisked away to some foreign hellhole  be held without charges-and he's supposed to be the GOOD guy)

At first I figured it was sloppy writing, but remember the payola the National Drug Control Policy office used to dole out to tv shows in the 90's if they incorporated anti-drug story lines and NDCP-approved messages into their shows, I've long stopped thinking this is an accident.

Still better than listening to old-time radio shows from the 40's like   Dragnet when apparently "Miranda" was just the name of their favorite stripper, and "illegal search and seizure" was apparently not a thing.
 
2014-03-20 02:26:03 PM  
NCIS is no good without Ziva. I tried to watch an episode a month or two back and lost interest. The new character (s?) bore me.

That being said, when Ziva was still around, it was a fun ensemble show with entertaining characters. And yeah, some cliches, but a lot of good humor too. DiNozzo is hilarious.

I am uncertain, however, why Sean Murray is currently shilling for some alarm company. After that many years on a popular show he can't possibly need the money.
 
2014-03-20 02:26:38 PM  
media.zenfs.com

But first....
 
2014-03-20 02:30:47 PM  

notatrollorami: I don't know about Big Brother but I do know (based on 30 minutes of total viewing) that if you watch NCIS you love hilariously generic clichéd crime drama.


This. These shows are horrible.
 
2014-03-20 02:31:39 PM  

Gunboat: notatrollorami: I don't know about Big Brother but I do know (based on 30 minutes of total viewing) that if you watch NCIS you love hilariously generic clichéd crime drama.

Slightly off topic, but only slightly.
My former father-in-law's new wife insisted that watching MacGyver was educational and good for children because it would teach them about science.


Lived for a few months with my sister and her husband. HE insisted that reading at the dinner table was rude; instead, he forced us to watch reruns of "Six Million Dollar Idiot" every evening, instead.

/Ya know, I used to think it was me.
 
2014-03-20 02:32:33 PM  

Magorn: My antenna has twitched more than once watching this show and the various Law and order shows when the writers are clearly tying to get you to cheer for things like torture of prisoners, intrusive surveillance or Federal authorities wildly violating the 4th amendment (the Bullet headed detective on SVU has more than once told some crime suspect that if he didn't confess he'd turn the case over to the feds, get the guy declared a terrorist and whisked away to some foreign hellhole  be held without charges-and he's supposed to be the GOOD guy)

At first I figured it was sloppy writing, but remember the payola the National Drug Control Policy office used to dole out to tv shows in the 90's if they incorporated anti-drug story lines and NDCP-approved messages into their shows, I've long stopped thinking this is an accident.

Still better than listening to old-time radio shows from the 40's like   Dragnet when apparently "Miranda" was just the name of their favorite stripper, and "illegal search and seizure" was apparently not a thing.


The Miranda warning didn't become law until 1964 or 1965. It was still brand new when Dragnet 1967 was being filmed.
 
2014-03-20 02:36:03 PM  

Gig103: Walker: Never watched it, any CSI show, Person of Interest, etc. Hate big brother.

At least Person of Interest doesn't show the "good" that is supposedly coming of the surveillance (i.e. stopping criminals, terrorists, etc), It's just a plot device to enable vigilante justice.

Person of Interest

has the hotter women.
 
2014-03-20 02:36:46 PM  

notatrollorami: I don't know about Big Brother but I do know (based on 30 minutes of total viewing) that if you watch NCIS you love hilariously generic clichéd crime drama.


I do actually. Pretty much any procedural crime show, though I enjoy the original CSI the most, followed by Criminal Minds and NCIS, and probably law and order somewhere way down on the list. And I can't stand the other CSI shows.

But I admit I just enjoy the mystery procedural, I love seeing a mystery laid out and then solved cleanly, and one of my favorite book genres is urban fantasy.

So I won't say it's good reading or watching, but I enjoy it.
 
2014-03-20 02:36:58 PM  
Of all the things I've fought about w/ my mother over the years, her loving NCIS has gotta be top three.
 
2014-03-20 02:37:06 PM  
I've switched from NCIS to Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Skyler is hawt.
 
2014-03-20 02:37:37 PM  

Gunboat: notatrollorami: I don't know about Big Brother but I do know (based on 30 minutes of total viewing) that if you watch NCIS you love hilariously generic clichéd crime drama.

Slightly off topic, but only slightly.
My former father-in-law's new wife insisted that watching MacGyver was educational and good for children because it would teach them about science.


When I was in like...mmmmm...sixth/seventh grade maybe, I used to enjoy MacGyver. Whenever my dad tried to watch with my tho, I had to leave the room. He's a retired engineer now, but at the time, well, he ruined every episode for me by explaining how the science was close...but not all that accurate. Like watching Gravity with Degrasse-Tyson (sp?) I imagine.
 
2014-03-20 02:37:51 PM  
Done in one.
More ass shots of Ziva, please.
 
2014-03-20 02:38:00 PM  

GentlemanJ: The Atlantic has been a Democratic Party cheerleader for decades.


David G. Bradley has been the owner of The Atlantic for nine years. He is a self-described Neocon who cheerleaded for the Iraq invasion. During those nine years, his most prominent hires were libertarian Andrew Sullivan and Jeffrey "liberals are fascists" Goldberg.
 
2014-03-20 02:41:13 PM  
Lemme see:

1. Anorexic policewomen
2. Unprofessional CSI staff
3. Soap Opera plots
4. No intelligent criminals
5. Completely ludicrous plots
6. Futuristic technology
7. Zero police budget constraints
8. Station looks like an international smuggler's fark pad
9. Every crime location is exotic and gorgeous
10. Everyone on the show is a stereotype, most annoying of which is the goth CSI chick
11. These police procedurals rarely ever follow real procedure.

I am forced to watch bits of these shows by proxy.
 
2014-03-20 02:42:17 PM  
Only good stuff on TV is the English shows on PBS.
 
2014-03-20 02:43:27 PM  

mama2tnt: bdub77: To be fair, it's probably partially accurate. NCIS is really popular with people over the age of 55, which seems to politically skew...is fascist the right term nowadays?

While being forced to watch this show years ago at a cousin's house, I mentioned how I wish they had money for writing, acting, directing and mirrors (because come ON, who walks out of the house like that every day, ponytailed dolt?) and the reaction I got from the mouth-breathers was insane.

/Their favorite show.


You were "forced" to watch the show? How were you forced, exactly? Did someone dressed as Abby tie you to a chair and crouch behind you holding your eyes open with her hands while nestling your head between her boobs to keep you pointed toward the TV?

'Cause that'd be hot.
 
2014-03-20 02:45:55 PM  
FTFA: A closer look reveals that both series are uncomfortably akin to a cheering section for the NSA

Oh, fark right off. I enjoyed Dexter, am I cheering for serial killers?
 
2014-03-20 02:48:07 PM  

Walker: Never watched it, any CSI show, Person of Interest, etc. Hate big brother.


Person of Interest is terrifying because it's actually plausible.

More and more cities are using surveillance tech like Trapwire to monitor citizen behavior. We've now surpassed the paranoid dystopias of 1984 and A Scanner Darkly by leaps and bounds.
 
2014-03-20 02:49:28 PM  

Gig103: Walker: Never watched it, any CSI show, Person of Interest, etc. Hate big brother.

At least Person of Interest doesn't show the "good" that is supposedly coming of the surveillance (i.e. stopping criminals, terrorists, etc), It's just a plot device to enable vigilante justice.


I think that's a little simplistic.  They were very careful to explain that the people they were "saving" were too unimportant to warrant the Gub'ment stepping in (i.e.accountant embezzling  money from the mob), so they would fall into "after they're dead, the police will investigate" category.  So, they are not vigilantes per se, they are saving people who otherwise would have been killed - so more pre-crime than vigilante.

Police don't stop crime, they solve past crimes.

/of course, that was before the Root character...now it's full-on spy thriller
 
2014-03-20 02:50:35 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: No, but big sister does get a rise out of me

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This!
 
2014-03-20 02:50:35 PM  

Dragonflew: FTFA: A closer look reveals that both series are uncomfortably akin to a cheering section for the NSA

Oh, fark right off. I enjoyed Dexter, am I cheering for serial killers?


There's a scene at the end of season 3? Where they show Dexter imagining a crowd of people cheering him. The crowd of people is supposed to be us, the audience. That is the writer(s) being cheeky and saying yes, you do support the character's killing habits.
 
2014-03-20 02:52:32 PM  
texdent
Yeah, so what if I like Big Brother. Think Amanda and McCrae will last?

For McCrae's benefit, I surely hope not.  But then Brenden and Rachel are still together and seem happy so what do I know?

The only copy show I watch is Law & Order SVU, and kind of like how Pawn Stars is getting, I mostly only watch it for the character interaction and not necessarily for the content....
 
2014-03-20 02:54:27 PM  
If they got warrants that would take up the entire hour. One episode would take an entire season.

/Duh
 
2014-03-20 02:55:38 PM  

author1701: Did someone dressed as Abby tie you to a chair and


go on...
 
2014-03-20 02:58:04 PM  
Shows like this allow me to enjoy working on the car and listening to my stereo in peace. I've essentially stopped watching TV on Tuesdays. As soon as the basement is finished, I'll be reading and playing video games down there as well.

I know the Captain's Wife won't disturb me for hours.
 
2014-03-20 02:59:22 PM  
Cerebral Ballsy


notatrollorami: I don't know about Big Brother but I do know (based on 30 minutes of total viewing) that if you watch NCIS you love hilariously generic clichéd crime drama.


This. These shows are horrible.


You forgot to add the person whom does research for the Information Technology banter was fired from Dell for not knowing a farking thing about technology.
 
2014-03-20 03:00:28 PM  
i gave up openly mocking these shows, i was talking more then the show and my girlfriend wanted to hear more techno-babble. when a show makes an obvious mistake i laugh and remind her that the people watching it are used to hearing that a blade of grass stuck in the edge of a sneaker convicts the guy but if they find just a finger they know race, height, sex and hair color and that they were in dance 10 years prior to death. ok maybe too far on that but not by much.
and remember if thepolice scanner they are using says 911 for a frequency then they are listening to all 911 calls....did not make that up
 
2014-03-20 03:05:32 PM  

haolegirl: Gunboat: notatrollorami: I don't know about Big Brother but I do know (based on 30 minutes of total viewing) that if you watch NCIS you love hilariously generic clichéd crime drama.

Slightly off topic, but only slightly.
My former father-in-law's new wife insisted that watching MacGyver was educational and good for children because it would teach them about science.

When I was in like...mmmmm...sixth/seventh grade maybe, I used to enjoy MacGyver. Whenever my dad tried to watch with my tho, I had to leave the room. He's a retired engineer now, but at the time, well, he ruined every episode for me by explaining how the science was close...but not all that accurate. Like watching Gravity with Degrasse-Tyson (sp?) I imagine.


I seem to recall reading that everything was almost right for a reason. Whenever he built a bomb or something, they left out one ingredient so dumb kids wouldn't go blow themselves up. So there was always one item missing, intentionally.

I enjoyed the show for a while, and I hate big brother. It's a TV show. I also don't think fake psychics are the best detectives in the world (Psych) or that James Spader can catch any criminal in the world (the Blacklist) or that you can put a chip into a crazy lady's head and she'll turn into a great country singer (Archer). So what, I apparently like crappy TV.
 
2014-03-20 03:06:47 PM  
They really missed the point on Lockheed sponsorship.  Lockheed probably doesn't expect the show to sway anyone's actual views on policy, just be generally pro-military.

If the military is supported, the spending is supported and therefore Lockheed-Martins bottom line.
 
2014-03-20 03:08:49 PM  

bdub77: To be fair, it's probably partially accurate. NCIS is really popular with people over the age of 55, which seems to politically skew...is fascist the right term nowadays?


They don't care if they're being wiretapped...as long as a good 'Murcan non-blah 'Publican is doin' it!
 
2014-03-20 03:08:57 PM  
I was the same way - used to be somewhat entertaining, but especially in NCIS: LA, it's just over the top.

First there's the techies who often say things like "It's impossible to break into this system/bypass this encryption, but I'm good" and does it in 10 seconds.  Then of course there's the ridiculous surveillance that can find anyone anywhere as mentioned in the article.


The worst part is the agents.  At least in NCIS, they bring them to a normal building and sometimes even have a lawyer present.  In NCIS: LA, they bring them to a sketchy boat house, where the agents aren't identified as such, then proceed to interrogate and even torture people in order to get the results they need.  Of course lawyers are never involved and what lawyer is going to show up at the sketchy boat house?
 
2014-03-20 03:13:40 PM  
DNRTFA, but it sounds like another one of those things where the writer assumes that the people who watch things are incapable of critical thought. Which may be true in specific cases, and even a LOT of specific cases, but is not universally true. My mom watches NCIS constantly and has no love for the surveillance state. The actual problem- the idea that the people making these shows are hoping you will think this way after watching enough of them -sounds as though it got buried under some worst-case-scenario fearmongering.

Evil Librul Hollywood pushing a super-conservative pro-establishment agenda is still noteworthy, but not news. Hollywood is firmly part of the establishment, and is owned by the same moneymen who are distorting every other aspect of our culture whenever possible.
 
2014-03-20 03:14:30 PM  

Okieboy: texdent
Yeah, so what if I like Big Brother. Think Amanda and McCrae will last?

For McCrae's benefit, I surely hope not.  But then Brenden and Rachel are still together and seem happy so what do I know?

The only copy show I watch is Law & Order SVU, and kind of like how Pawn Stars is getting, I mostly only watch it for the "character interaction" and not necessarily for the content....


You know, where Chumlee has to sell all of the garbage pail kid cards before the Old Man finishes his annual nap coma?
 
2014-03-20 03:16:00 PM  

WTP 2: i gave up openly mocking these shows, i was talking more then the show and my girlfriend wanted to hear more techno-babble. when a show makes an obvious mistake i laugh and remind her that the people watching it are used to hearing that a blade of grass stuck in the edge of a sneaker convicts the guy but if they find just a finger they know race, height, sex and hair color and that they were in dance 10 years prior to death. ok maybe too far on that but not by much.
and remember if thepolice scanner they are using says 911 for a frequency then they are listening to all 911 calls....did not make that up


I know! What is this, a work of fiction or something?
 
2014-03-20 03:17:37 PM  
Reading this thread, I had a neat idea for a crime drama.  The police investigate a crime and reach a point at the end of the show every episode where they have to choose between legal process and actually stopping the bad guy.  For example: do we get a warrant and put this drug dealer away forever, or do we intervene now when he'll walk a week later, but that high school kid won't try heroine?

Then you can throw in a toss-up for giggles and have something stop the bad guy without police rule violation and toss in a "To be continued..."
 
2014-03-20 03:18:13 PM  
Also, while we're on the topic-  the fact of the matter is, some of you are talking about how you don't like Big Brother or the govt prying on your life using technological surveillance.

On the internet, which as we've learned, is being monitored by the US govt.

Is this a thing where you just say it bothers you?

Also, why is any of this surprising? I'm pretty sure most people thought that the govt had some sort of eye into our private lives all along. Now we just have some proof that they do. I guess I just don't worry too much about that stuff.
 
2014-03-20 03:18:41 PM  

incawarrior: First there's the techies who often say things like "It's impossible to break into this system/bypass this encryption, but I'm good" and does it in 10 seconds. Then of course there's the ridiculous surveillance that can find anyone anywhere as mentioned in the article.


you must have HATED Star Trek, when Sotty told Kirk that he can nae do it in under 6 hours, Kirk said he had 30 minutes, and Scotty made it work.
 
2014-03-20 03:20:43 PM  
I think the author is on the right track.  I don't think that everyone who watches or enjoys the shows necessarily supports what Big Brother is doing in them, but the shows are certainly normalizing it, making people believe that what "they" can/will do is right, just, and legal.  My wife gets infuriated when I watch Law and Order (especially SVU) with her because I constantly remind her 90% of the stuff they do and say is completely un-Constitutional.
 
2014-03-20 03:21:31 PM  
TL, DR: TV dramas aren't real and often overstate things.
 
2014-03-20 03:21:55 PM  

Gunboat: notatrollorami: I don't know about Big Brother but I do know (based on 30 minutes of total viewing) that if you watch NCIS you love hilariously generic clichéd crime drama.

Slightly off topic, but only slightly.
My former father-in-law's new wife insisted that watching MacGyver was educational and good for children because it would teach them about science.


My mom was convinced Dukes of Hazzard would make my brothers and I think poorly of police.
 
2014-03-20 03:23:30 PM  

Queensowntalia: NCIS is no good without Ziva. I tried to watch an episode a month or two back and lost interest. The new character (s?) bore me.

That being said, when Ziva was still around, it was a fun ensemble show with entertaining characters. And yeah, some cliches, but a lot of good humor too. DiNozzo is hilarious.

I am uncertain, however, why Sean Murray is currently shilling for some alarm company. After that many years on a popular show he can't possibly need the money.


No idea about Murray, but I've met a few actors over the years.  Most of them were entertaining, fun to be around, etc, but some were astoundingly bad at managing money.  Just saying.
 
2014-03-20 03:26:00 PM  

Pick: I've switched from NCIS to Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Skyler is hawt.


I've heard that's gotten better, but the first couple episodes turned me off of it.  The guy who plays Colson isn't bad, but he's not enough to anchor a show, and the rest of the cast might as well have been RealDolls.
 
2014-03-20 03:26:17 PM  
mike_d85:  For example: do we get a warrant and put this drug dealer away forever, or do we intervene now when he'll walk a week later, but that high school kid won't try heroine?

It depends on who the heroine is.
 
2014-03-20 03:26:43 PM  

Cerebral Ballsy: Lemme see:

2. Unprofessional CSI staff
3. Soap Opera plots
5. Completely ludicrous plots
10. Everyone on the show is a stereotype, most annoying of which is the goth CSI chick
11. These police procedurals rarely ever follow real procedure.

 
2014-03-20 03:27:25 PM  

kroonermanblack: notatrollorami: I don't know about Big Brother but I do know (based on 30 minutes of total viewing) that if you watch NCIS you love hilariously generic clichéd crime drama.

I do actually. Pretty much any procedural crime show, though I enjoy the original CSI the most, followed by Criminal Minds and NCIS, and probably law and order somewhere way down on the list. And I can't stand the other CSI shows.

But I admit I just enjoy the mystery procedural, I love seeing a mystery laid out and then solved cleanly, and one of my favorite book genres is urban fantasy.

So I won't say it's good reading or watching, but I enjoy it.


That's not my bag (with the exception of original Law and Order) but I wasn't saying anything negative about the viewers. My dirty secret is that my wife and I watch actual Big Brother in the summer; we call it a brain vacation. It's wonderfully stupid and pointless manufactured fun.

///One of many shows I could never have tolerated before DVR allowed me to skip 2/5 of every hour without missing a single thing.
 
2014-03-20 03:29:00 PM  
Did you know this big brother conspiracy goes back fifty years? It's true!

doubleaardvarkmedia.com
/As if this wasn't a genre in the 60s.
//Watches NCIS for Abby and Ducky.
 
2014-03-20 03:29:06 PM  
vernonFL: I just think Michael Weatherly Mark Harmon is hot

/FTFY
 
2014-03-20 03:29:10 PM  

Pick: I've switched from NCIS to Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Skyler is hawt.


I watch that with my kids. I have to cover my lap tent when Skylar's on.
 
2014-03-20 03:29:54 PM  

incawarrior: I was the same way - used to be somewhat entertaining, but especially in NCIS: LA, it's just over the top.

First there's the techies who often say things like "It's impossible to break into this system/bypass this encryption, but I'm good" and does it in 10 seconds.  Then of course there's the ridiculous surveillance that can find anyone anywhere as mentioned in the article.


The worst part is the agents.  At least in NCIS, they bring them to a normal building and sometimes even have a lawyer present.  In NCIS: LA, they bring them to a sketchy boat house, where the agents aren't identified as such, then proceed to interrogate and even torture people in order to get the results they need.  Of course lawyers are never involved and what lawyer is going to show up at the sketchy boat house?


Me, but only because I sail a sketchy boat.
 
2014-03-20 03:31:02 PM  
Other things I wholeheartedly support and endorse, at least according to article's author:

Crooked cops
Meth heads
Condescending doctors
Serial killers
Zombies
Dragons
 
2014-03-20 03:31:25 PM  
Here's the truth: we ALL need Twinkies.

A Twinkie, as we all know, is nutritionally defunct, right? But sometimes, no matter how healthful your diet, you simply gotta have a Twinkie - once a week, or once a decade, whatever.

All TV shows are Twinkies for the brain - a way to give your consciousness a little nap while you're still awake - no matter what they are.

Remember, the television is optional, while air, water and food are not.

/I love me plenty of brain Twinkies. But even I draw the line at NCIS.
 
2014-03-20 03:31:32 PM  

cig-mkr: Only good stuff on TV is the English shows on PBS.


Now you reminded me Downton Abbey is over again and I am sad.

///Disappointed with this season but far from giving up.
 
2014-03-20 03:33:03 PM  
FTA:  " In the actual NYPD, 1 officer in 800 fired at a suspect in 2012"

The rest fired at civilians, dogs, streetlights, and the moon :)
 
2014-03-20 03:33:52 PM  

CruJones: haolegirl: Gunboat: notatrollorami: I don't know about Big Brother but I do know (based on 30 minutes of total viewing) that if you watch NCIS you love hilariously generic clichéd crime drama.

Slightly off topic, but only slightly.
My former father-in-law's new wife insisted that watching MacGyver was educational and good for children because it would teach them about science.

When I was in like...mmmmm...sixth/seventh grade maybe, I used to enjoy MacGyver. Whenever my dad tried to watch with my tho, I had to leave the room. He's a retired engineer now, but at the time, well, he ruined every episode for me by explaining how the science was close...but not all that accurate. Like watching Gravity with Degrasse-Tyson (sp?) I imagine.

I seem to recall reading that everything was almost right for a reason. Whenever he built a bomb or something, they left out one ingredient so dumb kids wouldn't go blow themselves up. So there was always one item missing, intentionally.

I enjoyed the show for a while, and I hate big brother. It's a TV show. I also don't think fake psychics are the best detectives in the world (Psych) or that James Spader can catch any criminal in the world (the Blacklist) or that you can put a chip into a crazy lady's head and she'll turn into a great country singer (Archer). So what, I apparently like crappy TV.


I think that's SOP for all shows. I remember hearing about them having to edit the dialogue in Fight Club so that they weren't actually telling people how to make napalm.
 
2014-03-20 03:34:34 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Cerebral Ballsy


notatrollorami: I don't know about Big Brother but I do know (based on 30 minutes of total viewing) that if you watch NCIS you love hilariously generic clichéd crime drama.


This. These shows are horrible.


You forgot to add the person whom does research for the Information Technology banter was fired from Dell for not knowing a farking thing about technology.


LOL I didn't know that.. I'm off to go look that up!
 
2014-03-20 03:34:37 PM  

incawarrior: Then of course there's the ridiculous surveillance that can find anyone anywhere as mentioned in the article.


Oh my gods! It's as if the non-documentary show favors entertainment over realistic accuracy!

Trocadero: Of all the things I've fought about w/ my mother over the years, her loving NCIS has gotta be top three.


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AngryPanda: I'm pretty sure most people thought that the govt had some sort of eye into our private lives all along. Now we just have some proof that they do.


This.

Random Anonymous Blackmail: You forgot to add the person whom does research for the Information Technology banter was fired from Dell for not knowing a farking thing about technology.


"Who".
 
2014-03-20 03:34:57 PM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: The writer of that article has their head firmly up their ass. People don't watch the show because they somehow support the idea of comprehensive spying on the U.S. public. They watch it because of the chemistry of the cast. And while it's not the greatest cop show of
all time, it is certainly far better than a lot of shows that have come and gone.


Agreed, and they mostly avoid getting bogged down in stupid sub-plots.  So often these days it feels like it's a matter of how screwed up a personal life can we give character's families.

Queensowntalia: NCIS is no good without Ziva. I tried to watch an episode a month or two back and lost interest. The new character (s?) bore me.


Losing Ziva was bad but it's not enough to make me quit watching.
 
2014-03-20 03:39:39 PM  
I don't mind NCIS even though it's silly and over the top but NCIS:LA is way too silly and over the top.  My wife watches a lot of TV though so usually it's just a matter of finding something that I will tolerate if she wants to watch something with me.

Shows I tolerate;
NCIS
Criminal minds
Big Bang Theory

Shows I actually enjoy and would watch even if my wife were not around;
Adventure Time
Archer
Top Chef
 
2014-03-20 03:40:58 PM  
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Given the right circumstances, I'm pretty sure a lot of guys wouldn't mind being surveiled.
 
2014-03-20 03:44:43 PM  

Clutch2013: I think that's SOP for all shows. I remember hearing about them having to edit the dialogue in Fight Club so that they weren't actually telling people how to make napalm.


I heard that the line, "I haven't been farked like that since grade school." is actually a 'less controversial' line that was edited in because the original line, "I want to have your abortion." was way too filthy.
 
2014-03-20 03:45:38 PM  
It really is a lousy excuse for entertainment
 
2014-03-20 03:48:19 PM  
Cerebral Ballsy


Random Anonymous Blackmail: Cerebral Ballsy


notatrollorami: I don't know about Big Brother but I do know (based on 30 minutes of total viewing) that if you watch NCIS you love hilariously generic clichéd crime drama.


This. These shows are horrible.


You forgot to add the person whom does research for the Information Technology banter was fired from Dell for not knowing a farking thing about technology.


LOL I didn't know that.. I'm off to go look that up!


I don't know if this person actually worked in technology, I was trying to say they don't know shiat and in the eyes of a person who works in the field looks like a farking moron.
 
2014-03-20 03:48:41 PM  
Its a TV show.

Its entertainment

I watch pro-wrestling. Does that mean I like watching people beating the shiat out of each other? Well, maybe, but where did I park my car...
 
2014-03-20 03:50:31 PM  

notatrollorami: cig-mkr: Only good stuff on TV is the English shows on PBS.

Now you reminded me Downton Abbey is over again and I am sad.

///Disappointed with this season but far from giving up.


Somebody 'shop CSI Abby into "Downton Abby" ....
 
2014-03-20 03:56:47 PM  
I was hoping that shot of Ziva in the backless blue dress would show up. That was the best part of NCIS - the 0.5-second clip of that in the intro.
 
2014-03-20 03:58:14 PM  

Gunboat: My former father-in-law's new wife insisted that watching MacGyver was educational and good for children because it would teach them about science.


More-so than the Real Housewives of Atlanta, anyway.
 
2014-03-20 04:03:22 PM  
I was more interested in the article about over-protected kids, and the small efforts that are being made to recreate the kinds of unstructured unhelicoptered childhoods that so many of us belt-onion wearers had.
 
2014-03-20 04:05:27 PM  

Egoy3k: Clutch2013: I think that's SOP for all shows. I remember hearing about them having to edit the dialogue in Fight Club so that they weren't actually telling people how to make napalm.

I heard that the line, "I haven't been farked like that since grade school." is actually a 'less controversial' line that was edited in because the original line, "I want to have your abortion." was way too filthy.


Supposedly David Fincher got someone to sign off on keeping whatever the replacement line was, no matter how bad.

So he came up with that one.

That being said, abortion isn't mentioned on TV or in movies.  Like, at all.  Other than the occasional Very Special Episode (or movie equivalent).  Nobody gets an abortion without it being the big topic of the episode/film.  Think about how many shows and movies use "X didn't want to get pregnant but did anyway!" as a plot device.
 
2014-03-20 04:08:47 PM  

cig-mkr: Only good stuff on TV is the English shows on PBS.


Coronation St. Rocks.
/I keed.
 
2014-03-20 04:09:16 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Cerebral Ballsy


Random Anonymous Blackmail: Cerebral Ballsy


notatrollorami: I don't know about Big Brother but I do know (based on 30 minutes of total viewing) that if you watch NCIS you love hilariously generic clichéd crime drama.


This. These shows are horrible.


You forgot to add the person whom does research for the Information Technology banter was fired from Dell for not knowing a farking thing about technology.


LOL I didn't know that.. I'm off to go look that up!


I don't know if this person actually worked in technology, I was trying to say they don't know shiat and in the eyes of a person who works in the field looks like a farking moron.


The way you wrote the sentence, it looked so literal.


I am not sure what they're going for on these shows but the tech is so bullshiat it blows my mind. Not only that, but if you've ever been to a real police station they look like a cross between a thrift shop's technology section and a warehouse's decorating budget.
 
2014-03-20 04:12:57 PM  

Dafatone: Egoy3k: Clutch2013: I think that's SOP for all shows. I remember hearing about them having to edit the dialogue in Fight Club so that they weren't actually telling people how to make napalm.

I heard that the line, "I haven't been farked like that since grade school." is actually a 'less controversial' line that was edited in because the original line, "I want to have your abortion." was way too filthy.

Supposedly David Fincher got someone to sign off on keeping whatever the replacement line was, no matter how bad.

So he came up with that one.

That being said, abortion isn't mentioned on TV or in movies.  Like, at all.  Other than the occasional Very Special Episode (or movie equivalent).  Nobody gets an abortion without it being the big topic of the episode/film.  Think about how many shows and movies use "X didn't want to get pregnant but did anyway!" as a plot device.


And all pregnancies become babies on TV (except for the VERY rare miscarriage),* because abortion does not exist, ya know. And no woman EVER dies in childbirth unless she's on a medical drama and it's written that way.

* Katey Sagal and "Married with Children" became the exception to this rule. After she had a stillbirth/miscarriage, they made her character's pregnancy on the show become imaginary.
 
2014-03-20 04:15:22 PM  
One thing that does always bother me about those cop shows like NCIS, is no one ever bothers with a warrant. They just bash down any old door they want. I find that troubling.

on the other hand....

maybe if she wore an eye patch!

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2014-03-20 04:20:40 PM  
uknotatrollorami: Gunboat: notatrollorami: I don't know about Big Brother but I do know (based on 30 minutes of total viewing) that if you watch NCIS you love hilariously generic clichéd crime drama.

Slightly off topic, but only slightly.
My former father-in-law's new wife insisted that watching MacGyver was educational and good for children because it would teach them about science.

My mom was convinced Dukes of Hazzard would make my brothers and I think poorly of police.


After a few years of sheriff Joe, I've come to the conclusion that Dukes of Hazard was based on real life.
 
2014-03-20 04:22:31 PM  

mama2tnt: Dafatone: Egoy3k: Clutch2013: I think that's SOP for all shows. I remember hearing about them having to edit the dialogue in Fight Club so that they weren't actually telling people how to make napalm.

I heard that the line, "I haven't been farked like that since grade school." is actually a 'less controversial' line that was edited in because the original line, "I want to have your abortion." was way too filthy.

Supposedly David Fincher got someone to sign off on keeping whatever the replacement line was, no matter how bad.

So he came up with that one.

That being said, abortion isn't mentioned on TV or in movies.  Like, at all.  Other than the occasional Very Special Episode (or movie equivalent).  Nobody gets an abortion without it being the big topic of the episode/film.  Think about how many shows and movies use "X didn't want to get pregnant but did anyway!" as a plot device.

And all pregnancies become babies on TV (except for the VERY rare miscarriage),* because abortion does not exist, ya know. And no woman EVER dies in childbirth unless she's on a medical drama and it's written that way.

* Katey Sagal and "Married with Children" became the exception to this rule. After she had a stillbirth/miscarriage, they made her character's pregnancy on the show become imaginary.


Maude.

Maude had an abortion. And that was in the mid-70s. On a sitcom.

Of course, the producers just wanted to make you think of Bea Arthur having sex, so it was a punishment episode.
 
2014-03-20 04:26:12 PM  
I could not get into Person of Interest. I understand that it's some kind of warning about Big Brother but the actual story part just seemed stupid.

Personally I don't mind Big Brother. I wouldn't watch if my wife didn't but I'll watch it with her. It's mildly entertaining and some of the women folks are easy on the eyes.
 
2014-03-20 04:28:50 PM  

Okieboy: The only copy show I watch is Law & Order SVU, and kind of like how Pawn Stars is getting, I mostly only watch it for the character interaction and not necessarily for the content....


I'm on a Hulu-drive L&O:SVU bender and have watched the first 9 seasons.  All I do is go "yep, that's how that works" on a regular basis.

An FBI agent can pop a CD into an NYPD computer sitting in a precint office and connect to every cell phone company NOC.

Encryption is something you can easily turn off to get at the contents.

CSU/CSI employees are allowed to tag along on raids and even interrogate suspects/subjects and regularly engage in open gross unprofessionalism.

The Medical Examiner basically works for the police and is as interested in helping the case as they are presenting an objective picture of what happened.

SWAT teams don't methodically clear an area, but rather do a cursory runthrough before leaving the detectives completely alone.  NJ SWAT teams will happily leave two NYPD detectives completely alone in a blatant crime scene after searching the area for 30 seconds.

There's no need to radio into control/command/base when entering abandoned buildings or potential hot crime scenes.
 
2014-03-20 04:32:49 PM  

oxnard_montalvo: maybe if she wore an eye patch!

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Eye patch? I find heterochromia incredibly attractive.
 
2014-03-20 04:43:38 PM  

oxnard_montalvo: One thing that does always bother me about those cop shows like NCIS, is no one ever bothers with a warrant. They just bash down any old door they want. I find that troubling.


And no one asks for a lawyer until they're totally caught.
 
2014-03-20 05:04:00 PM  

Spanky McStupid: [th02.deviantart.net image 850x478]

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Given the right circumstances, I'm pretty sure a lot of guys wouldn't mind being surveiled.


Yes, please.
 
2014-03-20 05:15:05 PM  

Mugato: oxnard_montalvo: One thing that does always bother me about those cop shows like NCIS, is no one ever bothers with a warrant. They just bash down any old door they want. I find that troubling.

And no one asks for a lawyer until they're totally caught.


Watch any episode of The First 48. You have no idea how many idiots outright rat themselves out on murder charges.
 
2014-03-20 05:15:37 PM  
I always thought people watched these shows because the mysteries are always solved quickly,  justice prevails and the bad guy always gets caught.  Crime shows like CSI or NCIS aren't not my cup of tea but I really enjoy 24 and Burn Notice.. If I have to suspend my disbelief for those action type shows then what's wrong with folks who suspend disbelief for crazy technology and surveillance in NCIS?  Despite enjoying 24 I am hardly a supporter of torture for interrogation. I doubt Miami is a hotbed for international intrigue and car chases either!

I assume people recognise that TV, as a medium, has to do things to make things exciting and move the story especially in crime of the week type shows.  A procedural crime drama has to have the main characters prevail, that means using things like surveillance or crazy science or breaking legal procedures to get them results to move the story quickly. They often only have one day to solve the crime!

People also fall in love with characters in TV shows and you gotta give them adventures every week where they prevail and justice is served.   It is completely impossible to make these types of show realistic.   Do criminals really admit everything conveniently when they are caught? Are there really that many convoluted murder plots in a city?  Can a crime writer really insinuate himself into the NYPD and go on crime adventures exchanging wisecracks with a hot detective? Not likely. Thats why its called FICTION and escapist fiction to boot.   It is what it is.

Real crime would be boring as hell to watch. hours of writing reports, waiting months for forensic results,  undercover ops taking 5 years to expose a killer, boring co-workers and no witty banter.

(CSI and NCIS is still boring as hell)
 
2014-03-20 05:24:04 PM  

AngryPanda: Also, while we're on the topic-  the fact of the matter is, some of you are talking about how you don't like Big Brother or the govt prying on your life using technological surveillance.

On the internet, which as we've learned, is being monitored by the US govt.

Is this a thing where you just say it bothers you?



What, we should never speak anywhere where they might hear us again in protest? I refuse to become a mime to conform to your ideal of morality, sir.

Seriously, is this supposed to be one of those "protesting income inequality WITH YOUR SMARTPHONE LOL" kind of gotcha things?
 
2014-03-20 05:35:45 PM  

CruJones: haolegirl: Gunboat: notatrollorami: I don't know about Big Brother but I do know (based on 30 minutes of total viewing) that if you watch NCIS you love hilariously generic clichéd crime drama.

Slightly off topic, but only slightly.
My former father-in-law's new wife insisted that watching MacGyver was educational and good for children because it would teach them about science.

When I was in like...mmmmm...sixth/seventh grade maybe, I used to enjoy MacGyver. Whenever my dad tried to watch with my tho, I had to leave the room. He's a retired engineer now, but at the time, well, he ruined every episode for me by explaining how the science was close...but not all that accurate. Like watching Gravity with Degrasse-Tyson (sp?) I imagine.

I seem to recall reading that everything was almost right for a reason. Whenever he built a bomb or something, they left out one ingredient so dumb kids wouldn't go blow themselves up. So there was always one item missing, intentionally.

I enjoyed the show for a while, and I hate big brother. It's a TV show. I also don't think fake psychics are the best detectives in the world (Psych) or that James Spader can catch any criminal in the world (the Blacklist) or that you can put a chip into a crazy lady's head and she'll turn into a great country singer (Archer). So what, I apparently like crappy TV.


Hey hey hey....slow ur roll!! Shawn & Gus are the real deal. Everything else is fake Hollywood bs, but I believe in Mr. Spencer and his sidekick Nicknack Paddywhack, and I won't hear another bad thing about them!

/sticks fingers in ears
 
2014-03-20 05:35:54 PM  
agh, I can't even watch that stuff. I gave 1 episode a fair shot.....nope, I can't do it.
 
2014-03-20 05:45:52 PM  

my herniated disc: Crime shows like CSI or NCIS aren't not my cup of tea but I really enjoy 24 and Burn Notice.


Never saw CSI or Burn Notice. I watch NCIS sometimes because of Abby. Love 24 though. I've heard people call it fascist or pro-torture whatever but if you actually watch the show, torture never actually works, not institutionalized torture anyway. And Chloe can institutionalize torture me any time.
 
2014-03-20 05:51:40 PM  

my herniated disc: I assume people recognise that TV, as a medium, has to do things to make things exciting and move the story especially in crime of the week type shows.


I sued to be really annoyed with TV shows and movies when the characters didn't solve the issues in the most logical way until it was brought to my attention that if they did everything I thought they should, the movie would be short and boring.

I've stopped analyzing and just enjoy the story.
 
2014-03-20 06:35:33 PM  
I just wanted to say (to no one in particular) that I cannot STAND that unmelodic NCIS theme music. Starts off with a decent enough reeooowoowowowwrrrrrrrrrr, but then it's about as edgy as wet bread.
 
2014-03-20 06:49:49 PM  

Anonymous Bosch: AngryPanda: Also, while we're on the topic-  the fact of the matter is, some of you are talking about how you don't like Big Brother or the govt prying on your life using technological surveillance.

On the internet, which as we've learned, is being monitored by the US govt.

Is this a thing where you just say it bothers you?


What, we should never speak anywhere where they might hear us again in protest? I refuse to become a mime to conform to your ideal of morality, sir.

Seriously, is this supposed to be one of those "protesting income inequality WITH YOUR SMARTPHONE LOL" kind of gotcha things?


There's a difference between people actually believing in a cause and then the #Kony2012 type crap that people tend to do online now.

If you don't want to be monitored, don't utilize services that are monitored or find other methods. There are enough people who don't protest over people who do that this stuff is unlikely to change unless something drastic happens.
 
2014-03-20 07:36:08 PM  
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Lost me when she was gone.

Hummana...
 
2014-03-20 08:02:54 PM  
Law and Order (the original) WAS the best show on TV! Why--20 SEASONS! The only reason it was cancelled was because Gunsmoke was also on for 20 years. (The producers and NBC basically want a crime drama and a western remembered as the best TV shows) Why was Law and Order so successful? Because it was able to make cast changes without any trouble. One actor's contract didn't work; they found another actor. They realized they needed women on the show; they wrote in one police officer and one Asst. DA. One very popular actor (Jerry Orbach) dies; so did the character (Lenny Briscoe) and the show went on... They tried writing about characters personal lives; it didn't work. They never did it again. The writing and acting on this show was GREAT!

//Law & Order: Criminal Intent was better. But Vincent D'Onforio didn't want to continue...
//Law & Order: SVU is okay...
 
2014-03-20 09:27:17 PM  

fugeeface: [xbradtc.files.wordpress.com image 504x768]

Lost me when she was gone.

Hummana...


Yeah....way hotter than Ziva.


My wife will not watch NCIS with me anymore. I ruined it for her. It pretty much boiled down to me complaining about:

Gibbs talking to everyone he encounters like they fell out of his arse. I don't care how tough you are, you're not talking to the head of your agency and the flipping Secretary of the Navy the way he does.

How easy it was to predict the bad guy once the businessperson or defense contractor showed up

 Ziva could beat up the entire world. It was almost like an early Steven Seagal movie.

I've only see the pilot of NCIS:La and didn't like it at all, so I can't speak about anything in TFA about that show, but I'd say that however many things to pick on NCIS about, it'd be patently false to say the show goes after Muslims all the time. They seem to have as many problems with the Mossad as anybody else.


allylloyd: Law and Order (the original) WAS the best show on TV! Why--20 SEASONS! The only reason it was cancelled was because Gunsmoke was also on for 20 years. (The producers and NBC basically want a crime drama and a western remembered as the best TV shows) Why was Law and Order so successful? Because it was able to make cast changes without any trouble. One actor's contract didn't work; they found another actor. They realized they needed women on the show; they wrote in one police officer and one Asst. DA. One very popular actor (Jerry Orbach) dies; so did the character (Lenny Briscoe) and the show went on... They tried writing about characters personal lives; it didn't work. They never did it again. The writing and acting on this show was GREAT!

//Law & Order: Criminal Intent was better. But Vincent D'Onforio didn't want to continue...
//Law & Order: SVU is okay...


I always thought Jay Leno got the blame for the departure of the L&O flagship.


NBC should have moved mountains to keep the original on the air, IMHO.
 
2014-03-20 09:29:58 PM  
AngryPanda:don't utilize services that are monitored

And those services that aren't monitored would be...?

And you don't know what else anyone may be doing about this besides complaining about it. The notion that we should hide from public life out of misguided protest because the government is monitoring all aspects of public life is, quite frankly, farking retarded. That lets the government quash all dissent by default while we hide from our own Goddamn democratically elected government.

tl;dr: I'm not going to go live in a shack in the woods because my government is crooked. Don't be an idiot.
 
2014-03-20 09:31:46 PM  

AngryPanda: Anonymous Bosch: AngryPanda: Also, while we're on the topic-  the fact of the matter is, some of you are talking about how you don't like Big Brother or the govt prying on your life using technological surveillance.

On the internet, which as we've learned, is being monitored by the US govt.

Is this a thing where you just say it bothers you?


What, we should never speak anywhere where they might hear us again in protest? I refuse to become a mime to conform to your ideal of morality, sir.

Seriously, is this supposed to be one of those "protesting income inequality WITH YOUR SMARTPHONE LOL" kind of gotcha things?

There's a difference between people actually believing in a cause and then the #Kony2012 type crap that people tend to do online now.

If you don't want to be monitored, don't utilize services that are monitored or find other methods. There are enough people who don't protest over people who do that this stuff is unlikely to change unless something drastic happens.


Also, since by your own logic you're okay with being monitored: *favorited!*
 
2014-03-20 09:54:17 PM  
I watch NCIS even though I'm not in favor of Big Brother. This season's addition of an NSA agent, extolling their virtues was completely over the top.

The original didn't start off that bad though so I've sort of kept watching it out of inertia. I don't think it will last much longer.

NCIS:LA on the other hand has always been atrocious.
 
2014-03-20 10:37:45 PM  
Like watching Big Bang Theory, dose that make me a Theoretical Physicist?
 
2014-03-20 10:52:17 PM  
Gee, you think?  Did the author never watch FOX's "24"?  That show was absolutely blatant in promoting; Federal authority over individual rights, the end justify the means, and guilty until proven innocent.
 
2014-03-20 11:04:08 PM  

Walker: Never watched it, any CSI show, Person of Interest, etc. Hate big brother.


How edgy.

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2014-03-20 11:37:48 PM  

Your_Huckleberry: fugeeface: [xbradtc.files.wordpress.com image 504x768]

Lost me when she was gone.

Hummana...

Yeah....way hotter than Ziva.


My wife will not watch NCIS with me anymore. I ruined it for her. It pretty much boiled down to me complaining about:

Gibbs talking to everyone he encounters like they fell out of his arse. I don't care how tough you are, you're not talking to the head of your agency and the flipping Secretary of the Navy the way he does.

How easy it was to predict the bad guy once the businessperson or defense contractor showed up

 Ziva could beat up the entire world. It was almost like an early Steven Seagal movie.

I've only see the pilot of NCIS:La and didn't like it at all, so I can't speak about anything in TFA about that show, but I'd say that however many things to pick on NCIS about, it'd be patently false to say the show goes after Muslims all the time. They seem to have as many problems with the Mossad as anybody else.


allylloyd: Law and Order (the original) WAS the best show on TV! Why--20 SEASONS! The only reason it was cancelled was because Gunsmoke was also on for 20 years. (The producers and NBC basically want a crime drama and a western remembered as the best TV shows) Why was Law and Order so successful? Because it was able to make cast changes without any trouble. One actor's contract didn't work; they found another actor. They realized they needed women on the show; they wrote in one police officer and one Asst. DA. One very popular actor (Jerry Orbach) dies; so did the character (Lenny Briscoe) and the show went on... They tried writing about characters personal lives; it didn't work. They never did it again. The writing and acting on this show was GREAT!

//Law & Order: Criminal Intent was better. But Vincent D'Onforio didn't want to continue...
//Law & Order: SVU is okay...

I always thought Jay Leno got the blame for the departure of the L&O flagship.


NBC should have moved mountains to keep the original on the air, IMHO.


Damn right.

L&O Classic had its best cast since Jerry Orbach died when they cancelled the show. And season 21 would have brought in a new Lieutenant to liven things up a bit.

But, Leno and stupid schedule changes killed the show.
 
2014-03-21 12:38:26 AM  

Your_Huckleberry: I've only see the pilot of NCIS:La and didn't like it at all, so I can't speak about anything in TFA about that show, but I'd say that however many things to pick on NCIS about, it'd be patently false to say the show goes after Muslims all the time. They seem to have as many problems with the Mossad as anybody else.


Yeah, if anything it bends over backwards to favor Muslims.  Muslim terrorists have good reasons to have gotten involved, basically any episode with Israelis (except Ziva herself) includes at least one who is behaving badly.

NCIS:LA--I watched part of one episode.  No thanks.
 
2014-03-21 01:12:36 AM  

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: incawarrior: First there's the techies who often say things like "It's impossible to break into this system/bypass this encryption, but I'm good" and does it in 10 seconds. Then of course there's the ridiculous surveillance that can find anyone anywhere as mentioned in the article.

you must have HATED Star Trek, when Sotty told Kirk that he can nae do it in under 6 hours, Kirk said he had 30 minutes, and Scotty made it work.


The "impossible" time limits Kirk gave him were well within Scotty's abilities; he just grossly overinflated his own estimates so as to look like a miracle worker.

/ This is canon
 
2014-03-21 03:42:34 AM  

mama2tnt: Gunboat: notatrollorami: I don't know about Big Brother but I do know (based on 30 minutes of total viewing) that if you watch NCIS you love hilariously generic clichéd crime drama.

Slightly off topic, but only slightly.
My former father-in-law's new wife insisted that watching MacGyver was educational and good for children because it would teach them about science.

Lived for a few months with my sister and her husband. HE insisted that reading at the dinner table was rude; instead, he forced us to watch reruns of "Six Million Dollar Idiot" every evening, instead.

/Ya know, I used to think it was me.


I feel so incredibly lucky right now. Went to visit a friend's parents and the nightly dinnertime TV programming was Big Bang Theory--which may be the only network program worth watching. God knows it's the only one I can sit through.
 
2014-03-21 03:56:43 AM  

Cerebral Ballsy: Dragonflew: FTFA: A closer look reveals that both series are uncomfortably akin to a cheering section for the NSA

Oh, fark right off. I enjoyed Dexter, am I cheering for serial killers?

There's a scene at the end of season 3? Where they show Dexter imagining a crowd of people cheering him. The crowd of people is supposed to be us, the audience. That is the writer(s) being cheeky and saying yes, you do support the character's killing habits.


To be fair to Dexter, as I understand it (I have the DVDs but haven't had time to watch them yet), he generally only killed people that, as we say in the South, "needed killin." It's not like he ran around killing the squeaky cleanest, kindest, gentlest souls whom even <insert deity of your choice> would have trouble finding fault with.

I mean, think about it: how many of us Farkers were gutted over Fred Phelps' death? How many of us would be gutted if jihadis attacked Westboro or a serial killer chose his victims from Westboro or some other bunch of shiatstains on humanity like them? Not saying I'd be jumping for joy over a bunch of people getting murdered, but I wouldn't exactly be crying in my merlot, either. Fact is, if you cheered at the news that bin Laden was dead, while you might not cheer or tacitly approve of a serial killer who killed terrible people, you probably wouldn't be overcome with moral objections to it, either. Just something to think about.
 
2014-03-21 11:31:03 AM  
I gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken me to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of my nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. I had won the victory over myself. I love Big Brother.
 
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