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(The Atlantic)   If you watch NCIS, you love Big Brother   (theatlantic.com) divider line 119
    More: Interesting, NCIS, The Rockford Files, political climate, surveillance, Oliver North  
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2014-03-20 05:45:52 PM  

my herniated disc: Crime shows like CSI or NCIS aren't not my cup of tea but I really enjoy 24 and Burn Notice.


Never saw CSI or Burn Notice. I watch NCIS sometimes because of Abby. Love 24 though. I've heard people call it fascist or pro-torture whatever but if you actually watch the show, torture never actually works, not institutionalized torture anyway. And Chloe can institutionalize torture me any time.
 
2014-03-20 05:51:40 PM  

my herniated disc: I assume people recognise that TV, as a medium, has to do things to make things exciting and move the story especially in crime of the week type shows.


I sued to be really annoyed with TV shows and movies when the characters didn't solve the issues in the most logical way until it was brought to my attention that if they did everything I thought they should, the movie would be short and boring.

I've stopped analyzing and just enjoy the story.
 
2014-03-20 06:35:33 PM  
I just wanted to say (to no one in particular) that I cannot STAND that unmelodic NCIS theme music. Starts off with a decent enough reeooowoowowowwrrrrrrrrrr, but then it's about as edgy as wet bread.
 
2014-03-20 06:49:49 PM  

Anonymous Bosch: AngryPanda: Also, while we're on the topic-  the fact of the matter is, some of you are talking about how you don't like Big Brother or the govt prying on your life using technological surveillance.

On the internet, which as we've learned, is being monitored by the US govt.

Is this a thing where you just say it bothers you?


What, we should never speak anywhere where they might hear us again in protest? I refuse to become a mime to conform to your ideal of morality, sir.

Seriously, is this supposed to be one of those "protesting income inequality WITH YOUR SMARTPHONE LOL" kind of gotcha things?


There's a difference between people actually believing in a cause and then the #Kony2012 type crap that people tend to do online now.

If you don't want to be monitored, don't utilize services that are monitored or find other methods. There are enough people who don't protest over people who do that this stuff is unlikely to change unless something drastic happens.
 
2014-03-20 07:36:08 PM  
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Lost me when she was gone.

Hummana...
 
2014-03-20 08:02:54 PM  
Law and Order (the original) WAS the best show on TV! Why--20 SEASONS! The only reason it was cancelled was because Gunsmoke was also on for 20 years. (The producers and NBC basically want a crime drama and a western remembered as the best TV shows) Why was Law and Order so successful? Because it was able to make cast changes without any trouble. One actor's contract didn't work; they found another actor. They realized they needed women on the show; they wrote in one police officer and one Asst. DA. One very popular actor (Jerry Orbach) dies; so did the character (Lenny Briscoe) and the show went on... They tried writing about characters personal lives; it didn't work. They never did it again. The writing and acting on this show was GREAT!

//Law & Order: Criminal Intent was better. But Vincent D'Onforio didn't want to continue...
//Law & Order: SVU is okay...
 
2014-03-20 09:27:17 PM  

fugeeface: [xbradtc.files.wordpress.com image 504x768]

Lost me when she was gone.

Hummana...


Yeah....way hotter than Ziva.


My wife will not watch NCIS with me anymore. I ruined it for her. It pretty much boiled down to me complaining about:

Gibbs talking to everyone he encounters like they fell out of his arse. I don't care how tough you are, you're not talking to the head of your agency and the flipping Secretary of the Navy the way he does.

How easy it was to predict the bad guy once the businessperson or defense contractor showed up

 Ziva could beat up the entire world. It was almost like an early Steven Seagal movie.

I've only see the pilot of NCIS:La and didn't like it at all, so I can't speak about anything in TFA about that show, but I'd say that however many things to pick on NCIS about, it'd be patently false to say the show goes after Muslims all the time. They seem to have as many problems with the Mossad as anybody else.


allylloyd: Law and Order (the original) WAS the best show on TV! Why--20 SEASONS! The only reason it was cancelled was because Gunsmoke was also on for 20 years. (The producers and NBC basically want a crime drama and a western remembered as the best TV shows) Why was Law and Order so successful? Because it was able to make cast changes without any trouble. One actor's contract didn't work; they found another actor. They realized they needed women on the show; they wrote in one police officer and one Asst. DA. One very popular actor (Jerry Orbach) dies; so did the character (Lenny Briscoe) and the show went on... They tried writing about characters personal lives; it didn't work. They never did it again. The writing and acting on this show was GREAT!

//Law & Order: Criminal Intent was better. But Vincent D'Onforio didn't want to continue...
//Law & Order: SVU is okay...


I always thought Jay Leno got the blame for the departure of the L&O flagship.


NBC should have moved mountains to keep the original on the air, IMHO.
 
2014-03-20 09:29:58 PM  
AngryPanda:don't utilize services that are monitored

And those services that aren't monitored would be...?

And you don't know what else anyone may be doing about this besides complaining about it. The notion that we should hide from public life out of misguided protest because the government is monitoring all aspects of public life is, quite frankly, farking retarded. That lets the government quash all dissent by default while we hide from our own Goddamn democratically elected government.

tl;dr: I'm not going to go live in a shack in the woods because my government is crooked. Don't be an idiot.
 
2014-03-20 09:31:46 PM  

AngryPanda: Anonymous Bosch: AngryPanda: Also, while we're on the topic-  the fact of the matter is, some of you are talking about how you don't like Big Brother or the govt prying on your life using technological surveillance.

On the internet, which as we've learned, is being monitored by the US govt.

Is this a thing where you just say it bothers you?


What, we should never speak anywhere where they might hear us again in protest? I refuse to become a mime to conform to your ideal of morality, sir.

Seriously, is this supposed to be one of those "protesting income inequality WITH YOUR SMARTPHONE LOL" kind of gotcha things?

There's a difference between people actually believing in a cause and then the #Kony2012 type crap that people tend to do online now.

If you don't want to be monitored, don't utilize services that are monitored or find other methods. There are enough people who don't protest over people who do that this stuff is unlikely to change unless something drastic happens.


Also, since by your own logic you're okay with being monitored: *plonk*
 
2014-03-20 09:54:17 PM  
I watch NCIS even though I'm not in favor of Big Brother. This season's addition of an NSA agent, extolling their virtues was completely over the top.

The original didn't start off that bad though so I've sort of kept watching it out of inertia. I don't think it will last much longer.

NCIS:LA on the other hand has always been atrocious.
 
2014-03-20 10:37:45 PM  
Like watching Big Bang Theory, dose that make me a Theoretical Physicist?
 
2014-03-20 10:52:17 PM  
Gee, you think?  Did the author never watch FOX's "24"?  That show was absolutely blatant in promoting; Federal authority over individual rights, the end justify the means, and guilty until proven innocent.
 
2014-03-20 11:04:08 PM  

Walker: Never watched it, any CSI show, Person of Interest, etc. Hate big brother.


How edgy.

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2014-03-20 11:37:48 PM  

Your_Huckleberry: fugeeface: [xbradtc.files.wordpress.com image 504x768]

Lost me when she was gone.

Hummana...

Yeah....way hotter than Ziva.


My wife will not watch NCIS with me anymore. I ruined it for her. It pretty much boiled down to me complaining about:

Gibbs talking to everyone he encounters like they fell out of his arse. I don't care how tough you are, you're not talking to the head of your agency and the flipping Secretary of the Navy the way he does.

How easy it was to predict the bad guy once the businessperson or defense contractor showed up

 Ziva could beat up the entire world. It was almost like an early Steven Seagal movie.

I've only see the pilot of NCIS:La and didn't like it at all, so I can't speak about anything in TFA about that show, but I'd say that however many things to pick on NCIS about, it'd be patently false to say the show goes after Muslims all the time. They seem to have as many problems with the Mossad as anybody else.


allylloyd: Law and Order (the original) WAS the best show on TV! Why--20 SEASONS! The only reason it was cancelled was because Gunsmoke was also on for 20 years. (The producers and NBC basically want a crime drama and a western remembered as the best TV shows) Why was Law and Order so successful? Because it was able to make cast changes without any trouble. One actor's contract didn't work; they found another actor. They realized they needed women on the show; they wrote in one police officer and one Asst. DA. One very popular actor (Jerry Orbach) dies; so did the character (Lenny Briscoe) and the show went on... They tried writing about characters personal lives; it didn't work. They never did it again. The writing and acting on this show was GREAT!

//Law & Order: Criminal Intent was better. But Vincent D'Onforio didn't want to continue...
//Law & Order: SVU is okay...

I always thought Jay Leno got the blame for the departure of the L&O flagship.


NBC should have moved mountains to keep the original on the air, IMHO.


Damn right.

L&O Classic had its best cast since Jerry Orbach died when they cancelled the show. And season 21 would have brought in a new Lieutenant to liven things up a bit.

But, Leno and stupid schedule changes killed the show.
 
2014-03-21 12:38:26 AM  

Your_Huckleberry: I've only see the pilot of NCIS:La and didn't like it at all, so I can't speak about anything in TFA about that show, but I'd say that however many things to pick on NCIS about, it'd be patently false to say the show goes after Muslims all the time. They seem to have as many problems with the Mossad as anybody else.


Yeah, if anything it bends over backwards to favor Muslims.  Muslim terrorists have good reasons to have gotten involved, basically any episode with Israelis (except Ziva herself) includes at least one who is behaving badly.

NCIS:LA--I watched part of one episode.  No thanks.
 
2014-03-21 01:12:36 AM  

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: incawarrior: First there's the techies who often say things like "It's impossible to break into this system/bypass this encryption, but I'm good" and does it in 10 seconds. Then of course there's the ridiculous surveillance that can find anyone anywhere as mentioned in the article.

you must have HATED Star Trek, when Sotty told Kirk that he can nae do it in under 6 hours, Kirk said he had 30 minutes, and Scotty made it work.


The "impossible" time limits Kirk gave him were well within Scotty's abilities; he just grossly overinflated his own estimates so as to look like a miracle worker.

/ This is canon
 
2014-03-21 03:42:34 AM  

mama2tnt: Gunboat: notatrollorami: I don't know about Big Brother but I do know (based on 30 minutes of total viewing) that if you watch NCIS you love hilariously generic clichéd crime drama.

Slightly off topic, but only slightly.
My former father-in-law's new wife insisted that watching MacGyver was educational and good for children because it would teach them about science.

Lived for a few months with my sister and her husband. HE insisted that reading at the dinner table was rude; instead, he forced us to watch reruns of "Six Million Dollar Idiot" every evening, instead.

/Ya know, I used to think it was me.


I feel so incredibly lucky right now. Went to visit a friend's parents and the nightly dinnertime TV programming was Big Bang Theory--which may be the only network program worth watching. God knows it's the only one I can sit through.
 
2014-03-21 03:56:43 AM  

Cerebral Ballsy: Dragonflew: FTFA: A closer look reveals that both series are uncomfortably akin to a cheering section for the NSA

Oh, fark right off. I enjoyed Dexter, am I cheering for serial killers?

There's a scene at the end of season 3? Where they show Dexter imagining a crowd of people cheering him. The crowd of people is supposed to be us, the audience. That is the writer(s) being cheeky and saying yes, you do support the character's killing habits.


To be fair to Dexter, as I understand it (I have the DVDs but haven't had time to watch them yet), he generally only killed people that, as we say in the South, "needed killin." It's not like he ran around killing the squeaky cleanest, kindest, gentlest souls whom even <insert deity of your choice> would have trouble finding fault with.

I mean, think about it: how many of us Farkers were gutted over Fred Phelps' death? How many of us would be gutted if jihadis attacked Westboro or a serial killer chose his victims from Westboro or some other bunch of shiatstains on humanity like them? Not saying I'd be jumping for joy over a bunch of people getting murdered, but I wouldn't exactly be crying in my merlot, either. Fact is, if you cheered at the news that bin Laden was dead, while you might not cheer or tacitly approve of a serial killer who killed terrible people, you probably wouldn't be overcome with moral objections to it, either. Just something to think about.
 
2014-03-21 11:31:03 AM  
I gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken me to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of my nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. I had won the victory over myself. I love Big Brother.
 
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