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2014-03-20 03:17:37 PM  
Reading this thread, I had a neat idea for a crime drama.  The police investigate a crime and reach a point at the end of the show every episode where they have to choose between legal process and actually stopping the bad guy.  For example: do we get a warrant and put this drug dealer away forever, or do we intervene now when he'll walk a week later, but that high school kid won't try heroine?

Then you can throw in a toss-up for giggles and have something stop the bad guy without police rule violation and toss in a "To be continued..."
 
2014-03-20 03:18:13 PM  
Also, while we're on the topic-  the fact of the matter is, some of you are talking about how you don't like Big Brother or the govt prying on your life using technological surveillance.

On the internet, which as we've learned, is being monitored by the US govt.

Is this a thing where you just say it bothers you?

Also, why is any of this surprising? I'm pretty sure most people thought that the govt had some sort of eye into our private lives all along. Now we just have some proof that they do. I guess I just don't worry too much about that stuff.
 
2014-03-20 03:18:41 PM  

incawarrior: First there's the techies who often say things like "It's impossible to break into this system/bypass this encryption, but I'm good" and does it in 10 seconds. Then of course there's the ridiculous surveillance that can find anyone anywhere as mentioned in the article.


you must have HATED Star Trek, when Sotty told Kirk that he can nae do it in under 6 hours, Kirk said he had 30 minutes, and Scotty made it work.
 
2014-03-20 03:20:43 PM  
I think the author is on the right track.  I don't think that everyone who watches or enjoys the shows necessarily supports what Big Brother is doing in them, but the shows are certainly normalizing it, making people believe that what "they" can/will do is right, just, and legal.  My wife gets infuriated when I watch Law and Order (especially SVU) with her because I constantly remind her 90% of the stuff they do and say is completely un-Constitutional.
 
2014-03-20 03:21:31 PM  
TL, DR: TV dramas aren't real and often overstate things.
 
2014-03-20 03:21:55 PM  

Gunboat: notatrollorami: I don't know about Big Brother but I do know (based on 30 minutes of total viewing) that if you watch NCIS you love hilariously generic clichéd crime drama.

Slightly off topic, but only slightly.
My former father-in-law's new wife insisted that watching MacGyver was educational and good for children because it would teach them about science.


My mom was convinced Dukes of Hazzard would make my brothers and I think poorly of police.
 
2014-03-20 03:23:30 PM  

Queensowntalia: NCIS is no good without Ziva. I tried to watch an episode a month or two back and lost interest. The new character (s?) bore me.

That being said, when Ziva was still around, it was a fun ensemble show with entertaining characters. And yeah, some cliches, but a lot of good humor too. DiNozzo is hilarious.

I am uncertain, however, why Sean Murray is currently shilling for some alarm company. After that many years on a popular show he can't possibly need the money.


No idea about Murray, but I've met a few actors over the years.  Most of them were entertaining, fun to be around, etc, but some were astoundingly bad at managing money.  Just saying.
 
2014-03-20 03:26:00 PM  

Pick: I've switched from NCIS to Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Skyler is hawt.


I've heard that's gotten better, but the first couple episodes turned me off of it.  The guy who plays Colson isn't bad, but he's not enough to anchor a show, and the rest of the cast might as well have been RealDolls.
 
2014-03-20 03:26:17 PM  
mike_d85:  For example: do we get a warrant and put this drug dealer away forever, or do we intervene now when he'll walk a week later, but that high school kid won't try heroine?

It depends on who the heroine is.
 
2014-03-20 03:26:43 PM  

Cerebral Ballsy: Lemme see:

2. Unprofessional CSI staff
3. Soap Opera plots
5. Completely ludicrous plots
10. Everyone on the show is a stereotype, most annoying of which is the goth CSI chick
11. These police procedurals rarely ever follow real procedure.

 
2014-03-20 03:27:25 PM  

kroonermanblack: notatrollorami: I don't know about Big Brother but I do know (based on 30 minutes of total viewing) that if you watch NCIS you love hilariously generic clichéd crime drama.

I do actually. Pretty much any procedural crime show, though I enjoy the original CSI the most, followed by Criminal Minds and NCIS, and probably law and order somewhere way down on the list. And I can't stand the other CSI shows.

But I admit I just enjoy the mystery procedural, I love seeing a mystery laid out and then solved cleanly, and one of my favorite book genres is urban fantasy.

So I won't say it's good reading or watching, but I enjoy it.


That's not my bag (with the exception of original Law and Order) but I wasn't saying anything negative about the viewers. My dirty secret is that my wife and I watch actual Big Brother in the summer; we call it a brain vacation. It's wonderfully stupid and pointless manufactured fun.

///One of many shows I could never have tolerated before DVR allowed me to skip 2/5 of every hour without missing a single thing.
 
2014-03-20 03:29:00 PM  
Did you know this big brother conspiracy goes back fifty years? It's true!

doubleaardvarkmedia.com
/As if this wasn't a genre in the 60s.
//Watches NCIS for Abby and Ducky.
 
2014-03-20 03:29:06 PM  
vernonFL: I just think Michael Weatherly Mark Harmon is hot

/FTFY
 
2014-03-20 03:29:10 PM  

Pick: I've switched from NCIS to Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Skyler is hawt.


I watch that with my kids. I have to cover my lap tent when Skylar's on.
 
2014-03-20 03:29:54 PM  

incawarrior: I was the same way - used to be somewhat entertaining, but especially in NCIS: LA, it's just over the top.

First there's the techies who often say things like "It's impossible to break into this system/bypass this encryption, but I'm good" and does it in 10 seconds.  Then of course there's the ridiculous surveillance that can find anyone anywhere as mentioned in the article.


The worst part is the agents.  At least in NCIS, they bring them to a normal building and sometimes even have a lawyer present.  In NCIS: LA, they bring them to a sketchy boat house, where the agents aren't identified as such, then proceed to interrogate and even torture people in order to get the results they need.  Of course lawyers are never involved and what lawyer is going to show up at the sketchy boat house?


Me, but only because I sail a sketchy boat.
 
2014-03-20 03:31:02 PM  
Other things I wholeheartedly support and endorse, at least according to article's author:

Crooked cops
Meth heads
Condescending doctors
Serial killers
Zombies
Dragons
 
2014-03-20 03:31:25 PM  
Here's the truth: we ALL need Twinkies.

A Twinkie, as we all know, is nutritionally defunct, right? But sometimes, no matter how healthful your diet, you simply gotta have a Twinkie - once a week, or once a decade, whatever.

All TV shows are Twinkies for the brain - a way to give your consciousness a little nap while you're still awake - no matter what they are.

Remember, the television is optional, while air, water and food are not.

/I love me plenty of brain Twinkies. But even I draw the line at NCIS.
 
2014-03-20 03:31:32 PM  

cig-mkr: Only good stuff on TV is the English shows on PBS.


Now you reminded me Downton Abbey is over again and I am sad.

///Disappointed with this season but far from giving up.
 
2014-03-20 03:33:03 PM  
FTA:  " In the actual NYPD, 1 officer in 800 fired at a suspect in 2012"

The rest fired at civilians, dogs, streetlights, and the moon :)
 
2014-03-20 03:33:52 PM  

CruJones: haolegirl: Gunboat: notatrollorami: I don't know about Big Brother but I do know (based on 30 minutes of total viewing) that if you watch NCIS you love hilariously generic clichéd crime drama.

Slightly off topic, but only slightly.
My former father-in-law's new wife insisted that watching MacGyver was educational and good for children because it would teach them about science.

When I was in like...mmmmm...sixth/seventh grade maybe, I used to enjoy MacGyver. Whenever my dad tried to watch with my tho, I had to leave the room. He's a retired engineer now, but at the time, well, he ruined every episode for me by explaining how the science was close...but not all that accurate. Like watching Gravity with Degrasse-Tyson (sp?) I imagine.

I seem to recall reading that everything was almost right for a reason. Whenever he built a bomb or something, they left out one ingredient so dumb kids wouldn't go blow themselves up. So there was always one item missing, intentionally.

I enjoyed the show for a while, and I hate big brother. It's a TV show. I also don't think fake psychics are the best detectives in the world (Psych) or that James Spader can catch any criminal in the world (the Blacklist) or that you can put a chip into a crazy lady's head and she'll turn into a great country singer (Archer). So what, I apparently like crappy TV.


I think that's SOP for all shows. I remember hearing about them having to edit the dialogue in Fight Club so that they weren't actually telling people how to make napalm.
 
2014-03-20 03:34:34 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Cerebral Ballsy


notatrollorami: I don't know about Big Brother but I do know (based on 30 minutes of total viewing) that if you watch NCIS you love hilariously generic clichéd crime drama.


This. These shows are horrible.


You forgot to add the person whom does research for the Information Technology banter was fired from Dell for not knowing a farking thing about technology.


LOL I didn't know that.. I'm off to go look that up!
 
2014-03-20 03:34:37 PM  

incawarrior: Then of course there's the ridiculous surveillance that can find anyone anywhere as mentioned in the article.


Oh my gods! It's as if the non-documentary show favors entertainment over realistic accuracy!

Trocadero: Of all the things I've fought about w/ my mother over the years, her loving NCIS has gotta be top three.


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AngryPanda: I'm pretty sure most people thought that the govt had some sort of eye into our private lives all along. Now we just have some proof that they do.


This.

Random Anonymous Blackmail: You forgot to add the person whom does research for the Information Technology banter was fired from Dell for not knowing a farking thing about technology.


"Who".
 
2014-03-20 03:34:57 PM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: The writer of that article has their head firmly up their ass. People don't watch the show because they somehow support the idea of comprehensive spying on the U.S. public. They watch it because of the chemistry of the cast. And while it's not the greatest cop show of
all time, it is certainly far better than a lot of shows that have come and gone.


Agreed, and they mostly avoid getting bogged down in stupid sub-plots.  So often these days it feels like it's a matter of how screwed up a personal life can we give character's families.

Queensowntalia: NCIS is no good without Ziva. I tried to watch an episode a month or two back and lost interest. The new character (s?) bore me.


Losing Ziva was bad but it's not enough to make me quit watching.
 
2014-03-20 03:39:39 PM  
I don't mind NCIS even though it's silly and over the top but NCIS:LA is way too silly and over the top.  My wife watches a lot of TV though so usually it's just a matter of finding something that I will tolerate if she wants to watch something with me.

Shows I tolerate;
NCIS
Criminal minds
Big Bang Theory

Shows I actually enjoy and would watch even if my wife were not around;
Adventure Time
Archer
Top Chef
 
2014-03-20 03:40:58 PM  
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Given the right circumstances, I'm pretty sure a lot of guys wouldn't mind being surveiled.
 
2014-03-20 03:44:43 PM  

Clutch2013: I think that's SOP for all shows. I remember hearing about them having to edit the dialogue in Fight Club so that they weren't actually telling people how to make napalm.


I heard that the line, "I haven't been farked like that since grade school." is actually a 'less controversial' line that was edited in because the original line, "I want to have your abortion." was way too filthy.
 
2014-03-20 03:45:38 PM  
It really is a lousy excuse for entertainment
 
2014-03-20 03:48:19 PM  
Cerebral Ballsy


Random Anonymous Blackmail: Cerebral Ballsy


notatrollorami: I don't know about Big Brother but I do know (based on 30 minutes of total viewing) that if you watch NCIS you love hilariously generic clichéd crime drama.


This. These shows are horrible.


You forgot to add the person whom does research for the Information Technology banter was fired from Dell for not knowing a farking thing about technology.


LOL I didn't know that.. I'm off to go look that up!


I don't know if this person actually worked in technology, I was trying to say they don't know shiat and in the eyes of a person who works in the field looks like a farking moron.
 
2014-03-20 03:48:41 PM  
Its a TV show.

Its entertainment

I watch pro-wrestling. Does that mean I like watching people beating the shiat out of each other? Well, maybe, but where did I park my car...
 
2014-03-20 03:50:31 PM  

notatrollorami: cig-mkr: Only good stuff on TV is the English shows on PBS.

Now you reminded me Downton Abbey is over again and I am sad.

///Disappointed with this season but far from giving up.


Somebody 'shop CSI Abby into "Downton Abby" ....
 
2014-03-20 03:56:47 PM  
I was hoping that shot of Ziva in the backless blue dress would show up. That was the best part of NCIS - the 0.5-second clip of that in the intro.
 
2014-03-20 03:58:14 PM  

Gunboat: My former father-in-law's new wife insisted that watching MacGyver was educational and good for children because it would teach them about science.


More-so than the Real Housewives of Atlanta, anyway.
 
2014-03-20 04:03:22 PM  
I was more interested in the article about over-protected kids, and the small efforts that are being made to recreate the kinds of unstructured unhelicoptered childhoods that so many of us belt-onion wearers had.
 
2014-03-20 04:05:27 PM  

Egoy3k: Clutch2013: I think that's SOP for all shows. I remember hearing about them having to edit the dialogue in Fight Club so that they weren't actually telling people how to make napalm.

I heard that the line, "I haven't been farked like that since grade school." is actually a 'less controversial' line that was edited in because the original line, "I want to have your abortion." was way too filthy.


Supposedly David Fincher got someone to sign off on keeping whatever the replacement line was, no matter how bad.

So he came up with that one.

That being said, abortion isn't mentioned on TV or in movies.  Like, at all.  Other than the occasional Very Special Episode (or movie equivalent).  Nobody gets an abortion without it being the big topic of the episode/film.  Think about how many shows and movies use "X didn't want to get pregnant but did anyway!" as a plot device.
 
2014-03-20 04:08:47 PM  

cig-mkr: Only good stuff on TV is the English shows on PBS.


Coronation St. Rocks.
/I keed.
 
2014-03-20 04:09:16 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Cerebral Ballsy


Random Anonymous Blackmail: Cerebral Ballsy


notatrollorami: I don't know about Big Brother but I do know (based on 30 minutes of total viewing) that if you watch NCIS you love hilariously generic clichéd crime drama.


This. These shows are horrible.


You forgot to add the person whom does research for the Information Technology banter was fired from Dell for not knowing a farking thing about technology.


LOL I didn't know that.. I'm off to go look that up!


I don't know if this person actually worked in technology, I was trying to say they don't know shiat and in the eyes of a person who works in the field looks like a farking moron.


The way you wrote the sentence, it looked so literal.


I am not sure what they're going for on these shows but the tech is so bullshiat it blows my mind. Not only that, but if you've ever been to a real police station they look like a cross between a thrift shop's technology section and a warehouse's decorating budget.
 
2014-03-20 04:12:57 PM  

Dafatone: Egoy3k: Clutch2013: I think that's SOP for all shows. I remember hearing about them having to edit the dialogue in Fight Club so that they weren't actually telling people how to make napalm.

I heard that the line, "I haven't been farked like that since grade school." is actually a 'less controversial' line that was edited in because the original line, "I want to have your abortion." was way too filthy.

Supposedly David Fincher got someone to sign off on keeping whatever the replacement line was, no matter how bad.

So he came up with that one.

That being said, abortion isn't mentioned on TV or in movies.  Like, at all.  Other than the occasional Very Special Episode (or movie equivalent).  Nobody gets an abortion without it being the big topic of the episode/film.  Think about how many shows and movies use "X didn't want to get pregnant but did anyway!" as a plot device.


And all pregnancies become babies on TV (except for the VERY rare miscarriage),* because abortion does not exist, ya know. And no woman EVER dies in childbirth unless she's on a medical drama and it's written that way.

* Katey Sagal and "Married with Children" became the exception to this rule. After she had a stillbirth/miscarriage, they made her character's pregnancy on the show become imaginary.
 
2014-03-20 04:15:22 PM  
One thing that does always bother me about those cop shows like NCIS, is no one ever bothers with a warrant. They just bash down any old door they want. I find that troubling.

on the other hand....

maybe if she wore an eye patch!

cdn-images.9cloud.us
 
2014-03-20 04:20:40 PM  
uknotatrollorami: Gunboat: notatrollorami: I don't know about Big Brother but I do know (based on 30 minutes of total viewing) that if you watch NCIS you love hilariously generic clichéd crime drama.

Slightly off topic, but only slightly.
My former father-in-law's new wife insisted that watching MacGyver was educational and good for children because it would teach them about science.

My mom was convinced Dukes of Hazzard would make my brothers and I think poorly of police.


After a few years of sheriff Joe, I've come to the conclusion that Dukes of Hazard was based on real life.
 
2014-03-20 04:22:31 PM  

mama2tnt: Dafatone: Egoy3k: Clutch2013: I think that's SOP for all shows. I remember hearing about them having to edit the dialogue in Fight Club so that they weren't actually telling people how to make napalm.

I heard that the line, "I haven't been farked like that since grade school." is actually a 'less controversial' line that was edited in because the original line, "I want to have your abortion." was way too filthy.

Supposedly David Fincher got someone to sign off on keeping whatever the replacement line was, no matter how bad.

So he came up with that one.

That being said, abortion isn't mentioned on TV or in movies.  Like, at all.  Other than the occasional Very Special Episode (or movie equivalent).  Nobody gets an abortion without it being the big topic of the episode/film.  Think about how many shows and movies use "X didn't want to get pregnant but did anyway!" as a plot device.

And all pregnancies become babies on TV (except for the VERY rare miscarriage),* because abortion does not exist, ya know. And no woman EVER dies in childbirth unless she's on a medical drama and it's written that way.

* Katey Sagal and "Married with Children" became the exception to this rule. After she had a stillbirth/miscarriage, they made her character's pregnancy on the show become imaginary.


Maude.

Maude had an abortion. And that was in the mid-70s. On a sitcom.

Of course, the producers just wanted to make you think of Bea Arthur having sex, so it was a punishment episode.
 
2014-03-20 04:26:12 PM  
I could not get into Person of Interest. I understand that it's some kind of warning about Big Brother but the actual story part just seemed stupid.

Personally I don't mind Big Brother. I wouldn't watch if my wife didn't but I'll watch it with her. It's mildly entertaining and some of the women folks are easy on the eyes.
 
2014-03-20 04:28:50 PM  

Okieboy: The only copy show I watch is Law & Order SVU, and kind of like how Pawn Stars is getting, I mostly only watch it for the character interaction and not necessarily for the content....


I'm on a Hulu-drive L&O:SVU bender and have watched the first 9 seasons.  All I do is go "yep, that's how that works" on a regular basis.

An FBI agent can pop a CD into an NYPD computer sitting in a precint office and connect to every cell phone company NOC.

Encryption is something you can easily turn off to get at the contents.

CSU/CSI employees are allowed to tag along on raids and even interrogate suspects/subjects and regularly engage in open gross unprofessionalism.

The Medical Examiner basically works for the police and is as interested in helping the case as they are presenting an objective picture of what happened.

SWAT teams don't methodically clear an area, but rather do a cursory runthrough before leaving the detectives completely alone.  NJ SWAT teams will happily leave two NYPD detectives completely alone in a blatant crime scene after searching the area for 30 seconds.

There's no need to radio into control/command/base when entering abandoned buildings or potential hot crime scenes.
 
2014-03-20 04:32:49 PM  

oxnard_montalvo: maybe if she wore an eye patch!

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Eye patch? I find heterochromia incredibly attractive.
 
2014-03-20 04:43:38 PM  

oxnard_montalvo: One thing that does always bother me about those cop shows like NCIS, is no one ever bothers with a warrant. They just bash down any old door they want. I find that troubling.


And no one asks for a lawyer until they're totally caught.
 
2014-03-20 05:04:00 PM  

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Given the right circumstances, I'm pretty sure a lot of guys wouldn't mind being surveiled.


Yes, please.
 
2014-03-20 05:15:05 PM  

Mugato: oxnard_montalvo: One thing that does always bother me about those cop shows like NCIS, is no one ever bothers with a warrant. They just bash down any old door they want. I find that troubling.

And no one asks for a lawyer until they're totally caught.


Watch any episode of The First 48. You have no idea how many idiots outright rat themselves out on murder charges.
 
2014-03-20 05:15:37 PM  
I always thought people watched these shows because the mysteries are always solved quickly,  justice prevails and the bad guy always gets caught.  Crime shows like CSI or NCIS aren't not my cup of tea but I really enjoy 24 and Burn Notice.. If I have to suspend my disbelief for those action type shows then what's wrong with folks who suspend disbelief for crazy technology and surveillance in NCIS?  Despite enjoying 24 I am hardly a supporter of torture for interrogation. I doubt Miami is a hotbed for international intrigue and car chases either!

I assume people recognise that TV, as a medium, has to do things to make things exciting and move the story especially in crime of the week type shows.  A procedural crime drama has to have the main characters prevail, that means using things like surveillance or crazy science or breaking legal procedures to get them results to move the story quickly. They often only have one day to solve the crime!

People also fall in love with characters in TV shows and you gotta give them adventures every week where they prevail and justice is served.   It is completely impossible to make these types of show realistic.   Do criminals really admit everything conveniently when they are caught? Are there really that many convoluted murder plots in a city?  Can a crime writer really insinuate himself into the NYPD and go on crime adventures exchanging wisecracks with a hot detective? Not likely. Thats why its called FICTION and escapist fiction to boot.   It is what it is.

Real crime would be boring as hell to watch. hours of writing reports, waiting months for forensic results,  undercover ops taking 5 years to expose a killer, boring co-workers and no witty banter.

(CSI and NCIS is still boring as hell)
 
2014-03-20 05:24:04 PM  

AngryPanda: Also, while we're on the topic-  the fact of the matter is, some of you are talking about how you don't like Big Brother or the govt prying on your life using technological surveillance.

On the internet, which as we've learned, is being monitored by the US govt.

Is this a thing where you just say it bothers you?



What, we should never speak anywhere where they might hear us again in protest? I refuse to become a mime to conform to your ideal of morality, sir.

Seriously, is this supposed to be one of those "protesting income inequality WITH YOUR SMARTPHONE LOL" kind of gotcha things?
 
2014-03-20 05:35:45 PM  

CruJones: haolegirl: Gunboat: notatrollorami: I don't know about Big Brother but I do know (based on 30 minutes of total viewing) that if you watch NCIS you love hilariously generic clichéd crime drama.

Slightly off topic, but only slightly.
My former father-in-law's new wife insisted that watching MacGyver was educational and good for children because it would teach them about science.

When I was in like...mmmmm...sixth/seventh grade maybe, I used to enjoy MacGyver. Whenever my dad tried to watch with my tho, I had to leave the room. He's a retired engineer now, but at the time, well, he ruined every episode for me by explaining how the science was close...but not all that accurate. Like watching Gravity with Degrasse-Tyson (sp?) I imagine.

I seem to recall reading that everything was almost right for a reason. Whenever he built a bomb or something, they left out one ingredient so dumb kids wouldn't go blow themselves up. So there was always one item missing, intentionally.

I enjoyed the show for a while, and I hate big brother. It's a TV show. I also don't think fake psychics are the best detectives in the world (Psych) or that James Spader can catch any criminal in the world (the Blacklist) or that you can put a chip into a crazy lady's head and she'll turn into a great country singer (Archer). So what, I apparently like crappy TV.


Hey hey hey....slow ur roll!! Shawn & Gus are the real deal. Everything else is fake Hollywood bs, but I believe in Mr. Spencer and his sidekick Nicknack Paddywhack, and I won't hear another bad thing about them!

/sticks fingers in ears
 
2014-03-20 05:35:54 PM  
agh, I can't even watch that stuff. I gave 1 episode a fair shot.....nope, I can't do it.
 
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