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(The Atlantic)   If you watch NCIS, you love Big Brother   (theatlantic.com) divider line 119
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2014-03-20 12:21:30 PM  
No, but big sister does get a rise out of me

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2014-03-20 12:29:43 PM  
Never watched it, any CSI show, Person of Interest, etc. Hate big brother.
 
2014-03-20 12:33:07 PM  
I just think Michael Weatherly is hot
 
2014-03-20 12:41:15 PM  
Yeah, so what if I like Big Brother. Think Amanda and McCrae will last?
 
2014-03-20 01:04:14 PM  
To be fair, it's probably partially accurate. NCIS is really popular with people over the age of 55, which seems to politically skew...is fascist the right term nowadays?
 
2014-03-20 01:09:59 PM  
why does Hollywood seem so enthusiastic about promoting the notion that the innocent have nothing to fear from Fourth Amendment violations and ubiquitous electronic surveillance?

It's called a plot device. Technology that might be a little ahead of our own to get the story moving. As for the Fourth Amendment and surveillance, tv shows or not, better start getting used to it.
 
2014-03-20 01:11:14 PM  
....Oh and I heart Abby.
 
2014-03-20 01:50:30 PM  

Walker: Never watched it, any CSI show, Person of Interest, etc. Hate big brother.


At least Person of Interest doesn't show the "good" that is supposedly coming of the surveillance (i.e. stopping criminals, terrorists, etc), It's just a plot device to enable vigilante justice.
 
2014-03-20 02:04:21 PM  

bdub77: To be fair, it's probably partially accurate. NCIS is really popular with people over the age of 55, which seems to politically skew...is fascist the right term nowadays?


While being forced to watch this show years ago at a cousin's house, I mentioned how I wish they had money for writing, acting, directing and mirrors (because come ON, who walks out of the house like that every day, ponytailed dolt?) and the reaction I got from the mouth-breathers was insane.

/Their favorite show.
 
2014-03-20 02:12:15 PM  
I don't know about Big Brother but I do know (based on 30 minutes of total viewing) that if you watch NCIS you love hilariously generic clichéd crime drama.
 
2014-03-20 02:13:08 PM  
The writer of that article has their head firmly up their ass. People don't watch the show because they somehow support the idea of comprehensive spying on the U.S. public. They watch it because of the chemistry of the cast. And while it's not the greatest cop show of
all time, it is certainly far better than a lot of shows that have come and gone.

Admittedly, my experience with the show is a few years old. But when I watched it, it was enjoyable light TV entertainment.
 
2014-03-20 02:13:42 PM  
FTA But in today's political climate, why does Hollywood seem so enthusiastic about promoting the notion that the innocent have nothing to fear from Fourth Amendment violations and ubiquitous electronic surveillance?


For the same reason Hollywood in general loves the military: speak poorly of a group you occasionally want cooperation from and you're unlikely to get it.
 
2014-03-20 02:16:30 PM  
Right, and by this logic, if you read The Atlantic, you are supporting the Obama administration's real life surveillance and drone strikes, since The Atlantic has been a Democratic Party cheerleader for decades.
 
2014-03-20 02:17:57 PM  

notatrollorami: I don't know about Big Brother but I do know (based on 30 minutes of total viewing) that if you watch NCIS you love hilariously generic clichéd crime drama.


Slightly off topic, but only slightly.
My former father-in-law's new wife insisted that watching MacGyver was educational and good for children because it would teach them about science.
 
2014-03-20 02:23:38 PM  
or you could just watch a show that involves the outrageous technology of bugging pay phones, constant search warrant and probable cause problems, manual surveillance, and letting the bad guys get away

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2014-03-20 02:25:30 PM  

bdub77: To be fair, it's probably partially accurate. NCIS is really popular with people over the age of 55, which seems to politically skew...is fascist the right term nowadays?


Authoritarian or statist is probably more apt, fascist is kinda vague and overused. But I don't think anyone wants to watch a realistic show about crime, waiting 3 months for DNA results only to find them contaminated wouldn't be exciting.
 
2014-03-20 02:25:43 PM  
My antenna has twitched more than once watching this show and the various Law and order shows when the writers are clearly tying to get you to cheer for things like torture of prisoners, intrusive surveillance or Federal authorities wildly violating the 4th amendment (the Bullet headed detective on SVU has more than once told some crime suspect that if he didn't confess he'd turn the case over to the feds, get the guy declared a terrorist and whisked away to some foreign hellhole  be held without charges-and he's supposed to be the GOOD guy)

At first I figured it was sloppy writing, but remember the payola the National Drug Control Policy office used to dole out to tv shows in the 90's if they incorporated anti-drug story lines and NDCP-approved messages into their shows, I've long stopped thinking this is an accident.

Still better than listening to old-time radio shows from the 40's like   Dragnet when apparently "Miranda" was just the name of their favorite stripper, and "illegal search and seizure" was apparently not a thing.
 
2014-03-20 02:26:03 PM  
NCIS is no good without Ziva. I tried to watch an episode a month or two back and lost interest. The new character (s?) bore me.

That being said, when Ziva was still around, it was a fun ensemble show with entertaining characters. And yeah, some cliches, but a lot of good humor too. DiNozzo is hilarious.

I am uncertain, however, why Sean Murray is currently shilling for some alarm company. After that many years on a popular show he can't possibly need the money.
 
2014-03-20 02:26:38 PM  
media.zenfs.com

But first....
 
2014-03-20 02:30:47 PM  

notatrollorami: I don't know about Big Brother but I do know (based on 30 minutes of total viewing) that if you watch NCIS you love hilariously generic clichéd crime drama.


This. These shows are horrible.
 
2014-03-20 02:31:39 PM  

Gunboat: notatrollorami: I don't know about Big Brother but I do know (based on 30 minutes of total viewing) that if you watch NCIS you love hilariously generic clichéd crime drama.

Slightly off topic, but only slightly.
My former father-in-law's new wife insisted that watching MacGyver was educational and good for children because it would teach them about science.


Lived for a few months with my sister and her husband. HE insisted that reading at the dinner table was rude; instead, he forced us to watch reruns of "Six Million Dollar Idiot" every evening, instead.

/Ya know, I used to think it was me.
 
2014-03-20 02:32:33 PM  

Magorn: My antenna has twitched more than once watching this show and the various Law and order shows when the writers are clearly tying to get you to cheer for things like torture of prisoners, intrusive surveillance or Federal authorities wildly violating the 4th amendment (the Bullet headed detective on SVU has more than once told some crime suspect that if he didn't confess he'd turn the case over to the feds, get the guy declared a terrorist and whisked away to some foreign hellhole  be held without charges-and he's supposed to be the GOOD guy)

At first I figured it was sloppy writing, but remember the payola the National Drug Control Policy office used to dole out to tv shows in the 90's if they incorporated anti-drug story lines and NDCP-approved messages into their shows, I've long stopped thinking this is an accident.

Still better than listening to old-time radio shows from the 40's like   Dragnet when apparently "Miranda" was just the name of their favorite stripper, and "illegal search and seizure" was apparently not a thing.


The Miranda warning didn't become law until 1964 or 1965. It was still brand new when Dragnet 1967 was being filmed.
 
2014-03-20 02:36:03 PM  

Gig103: Walker: Never watched it, any CSI show, Person of Interest, etc. Hate big brother.

At least Person of Interest doesn't show the "good" that is supposedly coming of the surveillance (i.e. stopping criminals, terrorists, etc), It's just a plot device to enable vigilante justice.

Person of Interest

has the hotter women.
 
2014-03-20 02:36:46 PM  

notatrollorami: I don't know about Big Brother but I do know (based on 30 minutes of total viewing) that if you watch NCIS you love hilariously generic clichéd crime drama.


I do actually. Pretty much any procedural crime show, though I enjoy the original CSI the most, followed by Criminal Minds and NCIS, and probably law and order somewhere way down on the list. And I can't stand the other CSI shows.

But I admit I just enjoy the mystery procedural, I love seeing a mystery laid out and then solved cleanly, and one of my favorite book genres is urban fantasy.

So I won't say it's good reading or watching, but I enjoy it.
 
2014-03-20 02:36:58 PM  
Of all the things I've fought about w/ my mother over the years, her loving NCIS has gotta be top three.
 
2014-03-20 02:37:06 PM  
I've switched from NCIS to Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Skyler is hawt.
 
2014-03-20 02:37:37 PM  

Gunboat: notatrollorami: I don't know about Big Brother but I do know (based on 30 minutes of total viewing) that if you watch NCIS you love hilariously generic clichéd crime drama.

Slightly off topic, but only slightly.
My former father-in-law's new wife insisted that watching MacGyver was educational and good for children because it would teach them about science.


When I was in like...mmmmm...sixth/seventh grade maybe, I used to enjoy MacGyver. Whenever my dad tried to watch with my tho, I had to leave the room. He's a retired engineer now, but at the time, well, he ruined every episode for me by explaining how the science was close...but not all that accurate. Like watching Gravity with Degrasse-Tyson (sp?) I imagine.
 
2014-03-20 02:37:51 PM  
Done in one.
More ass shots of Ziva, please.
 
2014-03-20 02:38:00 PM  

GentlemanJ: The Atlantic has been a Democratic Party cheerleader for decades.


David G. Bradley has been the owner of The Atlantic for nine years. He is a self-described Neocon who cheerleaded for the Iraq invasion. During those nine years, his most prominent hires were libertarian Andrew Sullivan and Jeffrey "liberals are fascists" Goldberg.
 
2014-03-20 02:41:13 PM  
Lemme see:

1. Anorexic policewomen
2. Unprofessional CSI staff
3. Soap Opera plots
4. No intelligent criminals
5. Completely ludicrous plots
6. Futuristic technology
7. Zero police budget constraints
8. Station looks like an international smuggler's fark pad
9. Every crime location is exotic and gorgeous
10. Everyone on the show is a stereotype, most annoying of which is the goth CSI chick
11. These police procedurals rarely ever follow real procedure.

I am forced to watch bits of these shows by proxy.
 
2014-03-20 02:42:17 PM  
Only good stuff on TV is the English shows on PBS.
 
2014-03-20 02:43:27 PM  

mama2tnt: bdub77: To be fair, it's probably partially accurate. NCIS is really popular with people over the age of 55, which seems to politically skew...is fascist the right term nowadays?

While being forced to watch this show years ago at a cousin's house, I mentioned how I wish they had money for writing, acting, directing and mirrors (because come ON, who walks out of the house like that every day, ponytailed dolt?) and the reaction I got from the mouth-breathers was insane.

/Their favorite show.


You were "forced" to watch the show? How were you forced, exactly? Did someone dressed as Abby tie you to a chair and crouch behind you holding your eyes open with her hands while nestling your head between her boobs to keep you pointed toward the TV?

'Cause that'd be hot.
 
2014-03-20 02:45:55 PM  
FTFA: A closer look reveals that both series are uncomfortably akin to a cheering section for the NSA

Oh, fark right off. I enjoyed Dexter, am I cheering for serial killers?
 
2014-03-20 02:48:07 PM  

Walker: Never watched it, any CSI show, Person of Interest, etc. Hate big brother.


Person of Interest is terrifying because it's actually plausible.

More and more cities are using surveillance tech like Trapwire to monitor citizen behavior. We've now surpassed the paranoid dystopias of 1984 and A Scanner Darkly by leaps and bounds.
 
2014-03-20 02:49:28 PM  

Gig103: Walker: Never watched it, any CSI show, Person of Interest, etc. Hate big brother.

At least Person of Interest doesn't show the "good" that is supposedly coming of the surveillance (i.e. stopping criminals, terrorists, etc), It's just a plot device to enable vigilante justice.


I think that's a little simplistic.  They were very careful to explain that the people they were "saving" were too unimportant to warrant the Gub'ment stepping in (i.e.accountant embezzling  money from the mob), so they would fall into "after they're dead, the police will investigate" category.  So, they are not vigilantes per se, they are saving people who otherwise would have been killed - so more pre-crime than vigilante.

Police don't stop crime, they solve past crimes.

/of course, that was before the Root character...now it's full-on spy thriller
 
2014-03-20 02:50:35 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: No, but big sister does get a rise out of me

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This!
 
2014-03-20 02:50:35 PM  

Dragonflew: FTFA: A closer look reveals that both series are uncomfortably akin to a cheering section for the NSA

Oh, fark right off. I enjoyed Dexter, am I cheering for serial killers?


There's a scene at the end of season 3? Where they show Dexter imagining a crowd of people cheering him. The crowd of people is supposed to be us, the audience. That is the writer(s) being cheeky and saying yes, you do support the character's killing habits.
 
2014-03-20 02:52:32 PM  
texdent
Yeah, so what if I like Big Brother. Think Amanda and McCrae will last?

For McCrae's benefit, I surely hope not.  But then Brenden and Rachel are still together and seem happy so what do I know?

The only copy show I watch is Law & Order SVU, and kind of like how Pawn Stars is getting, I mostly only watch it for the character interaction and not necessarily for the content....
 
2014-03-20 02:54:27 PM  
If they got warrants that would take up the entire hour. One episode would take an entire season.

/Duh
 
2014-03-20 02:55:38 PM  

author1701: Did someone dressed as Abby tie you to a chair and


go on...
 
2014-03-20 02:58:04 PM  
Shows like this allow me to enjoy working on the car and listening to my stereo in peace. I've essentially stopped watching TV on Tuesdays. As soon as the basement is finished, I'll be reading and playing video games down there as well.

I know the Captain's Wife won't disturb me for hours.
 
2014-03-20 02:59:22 PM  
Cerebral Ballsy


notatrollorami: I don't know about Big Brother but I do know (based on 30 minutes of total viewing) that if you watch NCIS you love hilariously generic clichéd crime drama.


This. These shows are horrible.


You forgot to add the person whom does research for the Information Technology banter was fired from Dell for not knowing a farking thing about technology.
 
2014-03-20 03:00:28 PM  
i gave up openly mocking these shows, i was talking more then the show and my girlfriend wanted to hear more techno-babble. when a show makes an obvious mistake i laugh and remind her that the people watching it are used to hearing that a blade of grass stuck in the edge of a sneaker convicts the guy but if they find just a finger they know race, height, sex and hair color and that they were in dance 10 years prior to death. ok maybe too far on that but not by much.
and remember if thepolice scanner they are using says 911 for a frequency then they are listening to all 911 calls....did not make that up
 
2014-03-20 03:05:32 PM  

haolegirl: Gunboat: notatrollorami: I don't know about Big Brother but I do know (based on 30 minutes of total viewing) that if you watch NCIS you love hilariously generic clichéd crime drama.

Slightly off topic, but only slightly.
My former father-in-law's new wife insisted that watching MacGyver was educational and good for children because it would teach them about science.

When I was in like...mmmmm...sixth/seventh grade maybe, I used to enjoy MacGyver. Whenever my dad tried to watch with my tho, I had to leave the room. He's a retired engineer now, but at the time, well, he ruined every episode for me by explaining how the science was close...but not all that accurate. Like watching Gravity with Degrasse-Tyson (sp?) I imagine.


I seem to recall reading that everything was almost right for a reason. Whenever he built a bomb or something, they left out one ingredient so dumb kids wouldn't go blow themselves up. So there was always one item missing, intentionally.

I enjoyed the show for a while, and I hate big brother. It's a TV show. I also don't think fake psychics are the best detectives in the world (Psych) or that James Spader can catch any criminal in the world (the Blacklist) or that you can put a chip into a crazy lady's head and she'll turn into a great country singer (Archer). So what, I apparently like crappy TV.
 
2014-03-20 03:06:47 PM  
They really missed the point on Lockheed sponsorship.  Lockheed probably doesn't expect the show to sway anyone's actual views on policy, just be generally pro-military.

If the military is supported, the spending is supported and therefore Lockheed-Martins bottom line.
 
2014-03-20 03:08:49 PM  

bdub77: To be fair, it's probably partially accurate. NCIS is really popular with people over the age of 55, which seems to politically skew...is fascist the right term nowadays?


They don't care if they're being wiretapped...as long as a good 'Murcan non-blah 'Publican is doin' it!
 
2014-03-20 03:08:57 PM  
I was the same way - used to be somewhat entertaining, but especially in NCIS: LA, it's just over the top.

First there's the techies who often say things like "It's impossible to break into this system/bypass this encryption, but I'm good" and does it in 10 seconds.  Then of course there's the ridiculous surveillance that can find anyone anywhere as mentioned in the article.


The worst part is the agents.  At least in NCIS, they bring them to a normal building and sometimes even have a lawyer present.  In NCIS: LA, they bring them to a sketchy boat house, where the agents aren't identified as such, then proceed to interrogate and even torture people in order to get the results they need.  Of course lawyers are never involved and what lawyer is going to show up at the sketchy boat house?
 
2014-03-20 03:13:40 PM  
DNRTFA, but it sounds like another one of those things where the writer assumes that the people who watch things are incapable of critical thought. Which may be true in specific cases, and even a LOT of specific cases, but is not universally true. My mom watches NCIS constantly and has no love for the surveillance state. The actual problem- the idea that the people making these shows are hoping you will think this way after watching enough of them -sounds as though it got buried under some worst-case-scenario fearmongering.

Evil Librul Hollywood pushing a super-conservative pro-establishment agenda is still noteworthy, but not news. Hollywood is firmly part of the establishment, and is owned by the same moneymen who are distorting every other aspect of our culture whenever possible.
 
2014-03-20 03:14:30 PM  

Okieboy: texdent
Yeah, so what if I like Big Brother. Think Amanda and McCrae will last?

For McCrae's benefit, I surely hope not.  But then Brenden and Rachel are still together and seem happy so what do I know?

The only copy show I watch is Law & Order SVU, and kind of like how Pawn Stars is getting, I mostly only watch it for the "character interaction" and not necessarily for the content....


You know, where Chumlee has to sell all of the garbage pail kid cards before the Old Man finishes his annual nap coma?
 
2014-03-20 03:16:00 PM  

WTP 2: i gave up openly mocking these shows, i was talking more then the show and my girlfriend wanted to hear more techno-babble. when a show makes an obvious mistake i laugh and remind her that the people watching it are used to hearing that a blade of grass stuck in the edge of a sneaker convicts the guy but if they find just a finger they know race, height, sex and hair color and that they were in dance 10 years prior to death. ok maybe too far on that but not by much.
and remember if thepolice scanner they are using says 911 for a frequency then they are listening to all 911 calls....did not make that up


I know! What is this, a work of fiction or something?
 
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