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(Baltimore Sun)   Maryland Transportation Authority will post "do not tailgate" sign to keep trucks from launching more cars into Chesapeake Bay. Even though it was just a Chrysler   (baltimoresun.com) divider line 79
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2014-03-20 09:22:04 AM
"The new NTSB report found that between 2008 and 2010, the highest concentration of accidents on the bridge occurred in the area where Lovasz hit Lake's vehicle, after the eastbound toll plaza and entering the leftward curve.
Between 2002 and 2012, according to MdTA accident reports, 624 crashes occurred on the bridge's two spans. Five people were killed in three accidents."

I'm not sure new signage is going to help with that.
 
2014-03-20 09:33:46 AM

ginandbacon: "The new NTSB report found that between 2008 and 2010, the highest concentration of accidents on the bridge occurred in the area where Lovasz hit Lake's vehicle, after the eastbound toll plaza and entering the leftward curve.
Between 2002 and 2012, according to MdTA accident reports, 624 crashes occurred on the bridge's two spans. Five people were killed in three accidents."

I'm not sure new signage is going to help with that.


Furthermore, "tailgating" was not even remotely the cause of this accident. Dude was going 50, wasn't paying attention, came up on traffic going 4, and slammed on the brakes at the very last second (only managed to slow to 47).
 
2014-03-20 09:55:25 AM
I never thought that area was bad.  The two tunnels though.. they scare the shiat out of me when I drive on through the bay bridge.  Every scenario possible seems to go through my brain during the short time you're underwater.  "Why isn't that guy going at least 45?"  "What the hell happens if an accident occurs"  "Oh shiat, is that water I see leaking from the walls"  And then.. daylight.  *whew*
 
2014-03-20 10:39:48 AM
I drive over the Bay Bridge 3 or 4 times a year, its only scary when you are in that one lane that goes opposite on the other side, i don't like that, and I'm always in that lane because of easy pass.
 
2014-03-20 10:40:51 AM
Another crisis caused by people going to the left.
 
2014-03-20 11:23:00 AM
How about some of these:

criticsofeverything.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-03-20 11:23:58 AM
Did it seat about 20, subs?
 
2014-03-20 11:28:02 AM
Trying to get Maryland drivers not to tailgate? Good luck with that. Might as well try to convince birds not to fly.
 
2014-03-20 11:28:26 AM

ginandbacon: I'm not sure new signage is going to help with that.


How I'm uhpposed to be readinz a sign when Imma on the phone and trying to pass?
 
2014-03-20 11:30:27 AM
Why the fark was she doing only 4 mph?  We can't even get people to drive less than 15 mph in parking lots around here, hell, they're doing at least 25-30 like they were on a surface road.
 
2014-03-20 11:31:49 AM

Gecko Gingrich


Furthermore, "tailgating" was not even remotely the cause of this accident. Dude was going 50, wasn't paying attention, came up on traffic going 4, and slammed on the brakes at the very last second (only managed to slow to 47).


True, but "Don't drive 40+ mph faster than the car ahead of you" doesn't fit on the sign very well.

A "No accidents allowed" sign would be equally effective.
 
2014-03-20 11:31:53 AM
Oh, a sign. Well, that"ll work. People always obey sings.
 
2014-03-20 11:33:17 AM
Idiot guy wasn't paying attention. None of their "solutions" would have prevented this accident.
 
2014-03-20 11:33:27 AM
fark the Bridge and all the traffic....

i.imgur.com

Go over the top. With an E-Z Pass it's like $10 but I can do the run in about 2 1/2 hours...I just generalized from the Mid Baltimore/ DC way point.

With all the other Bridge suckers in the last, we've burned about a tank of gas and taken about 3 1/2 hours over the bridge.

/more than one way to skin a cat.
 
2014-03-20 11:34:31 AM
I've got your "Do Not Tailgate" sign right here:

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com


/Seriously, stay off of my bumper.
 
Biv
2014-03-20 11:35:14 AM

lokis_mentor: Did it seat about 20, subs?


*shakes tiny fist*

/Big as a whale.
 
2014-03-20 11:35:47 AM

BunkyBrewman: I never thought that area was bad.


I grew up on the island on the east end of the bridge, so crossing was a daily occurrence. 90% of people are fine and treat it like the highway it is. But the rest are mortally terrified of it. Driving 30 mph, white knuckling the whole way. I know people that have lived their life in Queen Anne's County and have never crossed the bridge. If they need to get to the western shore they go up around the bay. It's inane.

Plus there's no reason for the traffic. None. People see a highway cone or a flashing light and it's time to creep. That bridge is maddening. So glad to be far, far away.

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Trying to get Maryland drivers not to tailgate? Good luck with that. Might as well try to convince birds not to fly.


You sound slow.
 
2014-03-20 11:36:42 AM

danno_to_infinity: Why the fark was she doing only 4 mph?  We can't even get people to drive less than 15 mph in parking lots around here, hell, they're doing at least 25-30 like they were on a surface road.


Presumably traffic ahead of her was congested and also traveling at about 4 mph.  In such cases it is usually advisable to match their speed rather than proceed at 50 mph, at least if your vehicle is small enough that you're not able to launch the other cars out of the way.
 
2014-03-20 11:38:12 AM
Way to waste another half million dollars, assholes
 
2014-03-20 11:38:50 AM

DROxINxTHExWIND: I've got your "Do Not Tailgate" sign right here:

[encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 262x193]


/Seriously, stay off of my bumper.


Yeah, but you know around here that's just gonna make the person behind you rage out and try to run you off the road.

/why yes this did happen to me on 395
//going 5 over in wall to wall traffic in the right lane with no where to go just isn't good enough for some cockfaces
 
2014-03-20 11:39:36 AM

BunkyBrewman: I never thought that area was bad.  The two tunnels though.. they scare the shiat out of me when I drive on through the bay bridge.  Every scenario possible seems to go through my brain during the short time you're underwater.  "Why isn't that guy going at least 45?"  "What the hell happens if an accident occurs"  "Oh shiat, is that water I see leaking from the walls"  And then.. daylight.  *whew*


the bridge in the article is the bay bridge in Maryland, it has no tunnels.

but I agree with you about the Bay bridgŧunnel. My biggest issue with it is that for the tunnels, the funnel four lanes of traffic down to two lanes (one going either direction) for the tunnels.

of course, the bridge was a hundred times more freaky before they expanded it, why they didnt build two more tunnels is beyond me.
 
2014-03-20 11:41:54 AM
Tailgating is a sport here in Maryland. I often have to brake check at least one driver on my way to and from work.

// Don't even get me started on all the farktards on University Boulevard near Langley Park, MD.
 
2014-03-20 11:43:29 AM
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2014-03-20 11:43:42 AM

vernonFL: I drive over the Bay Bridge 3 or 4 times a year, its only scary when you are in that one lane that goes opposite on the other side, i don't like that, and I'm always in that lane because of easy pass.


This.

The wife and I go downy ocean for a couple of days around Labor Day, and we're invariably in that lane. Simply terrifying.
 
2014-03-20 11:45:26 AM

eyemarten: Oh, a sign. Well, that"ll work. People always obey sings.


Depends on what they're singing, I think.
 
2014-03-20 11:47:29 AM

robertus: Simply terrifying.


Cheaper than disney world rides.
 
2014-03-20 11:49:53 AM
Is there anything more American then America? How about a Italian company that purchased a subsidiary of a German company that used to be an American company?


Chrysler.
 
2014-03-20 11:51:54 AM
I'll be the first to admit I hate that bridge.  Driving it in a car isn't so bad, but in a pickup truck, I just see myself going in the drink if someone tags me, and I just don't trust most of the aersholes out there on the road today.

One of the spans of the De. Memorial is like that too.  like ZERO guardrail.  The second span built (incidentally, I can see the Del Mem Br from my office window) has Jersey barriers on it.  Same thing with the Walt Whitman Bridge (both were designed by the same engineer, and share many characteristics).

The Ben Franklin bridge is a pleasure to cross.  The girders shield the roadway, so if some dope tags you, you're not going in the river.

It's not so much the idea of heights, it's the design of the span in conjunction with the traffic.  Here, you had an individual who drives for a living (you would hope, a "professional") and he caused a crash that put someone in the drink.
 
2014-03-20 11:52:10 AM

Scrotastic Method: BunkyBrewman: I never thought that area was bad.

I grew up on the island on the east end of the bridge, so crossing was a daily occurrence. 90% of people are fine and treat it like the highway it is. But the rest are mortally terrified of it. Driving 30 mph, white knuckling the whole way. I know people that have lived their life in Queen Anne's County and have never crossed the bridge. If they need to get to the western shore they go up around the bay. It's inane.

Plus there's no reason for the traffic. None. People see a highway cone or a flashing light and it's time to creep. That bridge is maddening. So glad to be far, far away.

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Trying to get Maryland drivers not to tailgate? Good luck with that. Might as well try to convince birds not to fly.

You sound slow.


Actually, the reason this happens isn't because Marylanders like to tailgate, it's that they like to cut people off.  Let's say I'm Mr. Good Driver and I leave a nice gap between myself and the car in front of me.  Some jackass is going to dive into that gap and slam on their brakes.  Then when I rear-end that jackass, I'm cited for tailgating.  It's happened.  So to prevent that, you have to keep that gap too small to get a car into it, hence tailgating.

/so glad I moved away from the city
//now in PA, whole different set of problems
 
2014-03-20 11:56:07 AM
I've never seen a situation where following the vehicle in front of you closely accomplishes anything.
Even when stopped at a light, leaving space is a good idea.
Sometimes, someone in front of you has car trouble, and, if you leave space, you can change lanes and get around it.

With no space, you can try to back up or you can honk your horn.
 
2014-03-20 11:56:47 AM
I used to drive over the bridge every day. It's not scary.
The biggest issue is the free for all merge that happens right before and after the toll plaza.
3 lanes to  something like 18 down to 2 makes for some interesting maneuvers.

For a while before the accident they were feeding traffic through 4-6 zones to control the merging.

And even though the accident that sparked this wasn't caused by tailgating, tailgating does cause most of the accidents.
 
2014-03-20 11:57:46 AM

Meatschool: Actually, the reason this happens isn't because Marylanders like to tailgate, it's that they like to cut people off. Let's say I'm Mr. Good Driver and I leave a nice gap between myself and the car in front of me. Some jackass is going to dive into that gap and slam on their brakes. Then when I rear-end that jackass, I'm cited for tailgating. It's happened. So to prevent that, you have to keep that gap too small to get a car into it, hence tailgating.


I've noticed that MD drivers are THE WORST at staying out of a blind spot. When they see you signal for a lane change, they'll get right up in it, for no good reason at all.

// and the sooner they put a bounty on DC cabbies, the better
// but that's just my pet peeve
 
2014-03-20 11:58:31 AM
CTRL + F "Kornheiser".

He's gonna freak out.
 
2014-03-20 12:00:15 PM
I have a friend over 50 who goes to the eastern shore quite frequently. He's one of those police wannabe macho types, however, when he gets to the bay bridge he turns into a total pussy. He can't drive over that bridge and has to have a passenger take over or when there's no one with him he has to have someone who works there drive him over. A couple times the police would drive him over.

/just saying
//only time I got iffy was going over in high winds
///can't wait for next trip
////fark the polar vortex
 
2014-03-20 12:02:01 PM
Maryland drivers just barely beat out Virginia drivers for the worst. Also, when you drive into the District for work, and you get stuck in traffic, and then honk a bunch, just remember, you made that terrible decision to live in the burbs and drive. At least go to a park and ride you suburban scum.
 
2014-03-20 12:05:36 PM

Cerebral Knievel: BunkyBrewman: I never thought that area was bad.  The two tunnels though.. they scare the shiat out of me when I drive on through the bay bridge.  Every scenario possible seems to go through my brain during the short time you're underwater.  "Why isn't that guy going at least 45?"  "What the hell happens if an accident occurs"  "Oh shiat, is that water I see leaking from the walls"  And then.. daylight.  *whew*

the bridge in the article is the bay bridge in Maryland, it has no tunnels.


Came here to say this, glad I read forward.

but I agree with you about the Bay bridgŧunnel. My biggest issue with it is that for the tunnels, the funnel four lanes of traffic down to two lanes (one going either direction) for the tunnels.

of course, the bridge was a hundred times more freaky before they expanded it, why they didnt build two more tunnels is beyond me.


The tunnels give me a slight case of the willies, but it's kind of cool to realize I've just driven under a farking cargo ship!
 
2014-03-20 12:06:17 PM
Solution:

carlistmy-blogcdn.s3.amazonaws.com

Mandate it and include early braking in anticipation of accidents. No matter how hard you hit that skinny pedal it won't let you get too close. Require it to be retrofit on commercial vehicles.
 
2014-03-20 12:15:03 PM

Cerebral Knievel: BunkyBrewman: I never thought that area was bad.  The two tunnels though.. they scare the shiat out of me when I drive on through the bay bridge.  Every scenario possible seems to go through my brain during the short time you're underwater.  "Why isn't that guy going at least 45?"  "What the hell happens if an accident occurs"  "Oh shiat, is that water I see leaking from the walls"  And then.. daylight.  *whew*

the bridge in the article is the bay bridge in Maryland, it has no tunnels.

but I agree with you about the Bay bridgŧunnel. My biggest issue with it is that for the tunnels, the funnel four lanes of traffic down to two lanes (one going either direction) for the tunnels.

of course, the bridge was a hundred times more freaky before they expanded it, why they didnt build two more tunnels is beyond me.


FYI, these tunnels are buried into the ground, not "underwater" per say. There has been very few occurrences of tunnels collapsing, but no occurrences of tunnels flooding (aside from storm flooding), that I can find. Being in one of these tunnels is the same as being in the metro subway essentially.
 
2014-03-20 12:16:12 PM

robertus: vernonFL: I drive over the Bay Bridge 3 or 4 times a year, its only scary when you are in that one lane that goes opposite on the other side, i don't like that, and I'm always in that lane because of easy pass.

This.

The wife and I go downy ocean for a couple of days around Labor Day, and we're invariably in that lane. Simply terrifying.


Yup the ole "suicide" lane. Last week it was closed due to high winds. Took forever at the damn toll plaza it was back up all the way to the National Guard Armory in Annapolis. I almost got run over twice by the same truck after the toll. Farker cut me off .....twice. I want to slap the person that has the tolls go from 10 lanes to 2 in 200 feet.
 
2014-03-20 12:16:26 PM
It's a shiat bridge. I'll say that again, it's. a. shiat. bridge.

They're always doing construction. Always. It's poorly designed. When the 'main span' is closed, the other side, which is just two lanes, switches to oncoming traffic mode.

Whoever thought that having a narrow, two lane bridge with ONCOMING TRAFFIC in the other lane was an acceptable solution should be shot. Dumb, dumb, dumb. And heading east, you get the further kick in the balls of a $6 toll.

Moved down here from New England to help out my parents. The drivers in the tri-state area (PA/VA/DC/MD) make Massholes look like surgeons. Innate driver idiocy + stupidly designed bridge = people dying. Last year a teenager was texting, drifted into the oncoming traffic lane in front of a truck.

Trucker swerved to avoid her, successfully missed her and went over the bridge to his death.

It's a giant satanic prayerwheel of suck.
 
2014-03-20 12:17:27 PM
If you want freaky bridges to drive on the Chesapeake Bay Bridge has nothing on the Pulaski Skyway.  CBB you at least have water to land in.  Pulaski?  you fly off that you're hitting industrial buildings.
 
2014-03-20 12:20:29 PM

Cdr.Murdock: I'll be the first to admit I hate that bridge.  Driving it in a car isn't so bad, but in a pickup truck, I just see myself going in the drink if someone tags me, and I just don't trust most of the aersholes out there on the road today.

One of the spans of the De. Memorial is like that too.  like ZERO guardrail.  The second span built (incidentally, I can see the Del Mem Br from my office window) has Jersey barriers on it.  Same thing with the Walt Whitman Bridge (both were designed by the same engineer, and share many characteristics).

The Ben Franklin bridge is a pleasure to cross.  The girders shield the roadway, so if some dope tags you, you're not going in the river.

It's not so much the idea of heights, it's the design of the span in conjunction with the traffic.  Here, you had an individual who drives for a living (you would hope, a "professional") and he caused a crash that put someone in the drink.


I'll bet you'd just love the Harry W. Nice bridge!  (Rte 301, crosses the Potomac between MD and VA).  I'm not bridge-phobic (unlike my sister, who will cringe down to the floorboards if she's not driving) but that bridge gives me the Willies.

soupisnotafingerfood.files.wordpress.com

Narrow lanes, no shoulder at all, just jersey barriers and a lovely view of the waters to either side.

And just for emphasis:

cdn.blogs.fredericksburg.com
 
2014-03-20 12:21:48 PM
Nothing will get drivers to pull there heads out and pay attention like a sign.
 
2014-03-20 12:35:33 PM

Carn: DROxINxTHExWIND: I've got your "Do Not Tailgate" sign right here:

[encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 262x193]


/Seriously, stay off of my bumper.

Yeah, but you know around here that's just gonna make the person behind you rage out and try to run you off the road.

/why yes this did happen to me on 395
//going 5 over in wall to wall traffic in the right lane with no where to go just isn't good enough for some cockfaces



*Sigh*

Yes, I'm aware that it will probably go badly. Fortunately (or unfortunately) I'm as crazy as they are so it doesn't shock me.


/I'm trying to cool it behind the wheel
//Got flipped off this morning and smiled, so I'm doing better
///Pray for me
 
2014-03-20 12:50:21 PM

Deucednuisance: Cdr.Murdock: I'll be the first to admit I hate that bridge.  Driving it in a car isn't so bad, but in a pickup truck, I just see myself going in the drink if someone tags me, and I just don't trust most of the aersholes out there on the road today.

One of the spans of the De. Memorial is like that too.  like ZERO guardrail.  The second span built (incidentally, I can see the Del Mem Br from my office window) has Jersey barriers on it.  Same thing with the Walt Whitman Bridge (both were designed by the same engineer, and share many characteristics).

The Ben Franklin bridge is a pleasure to cross.  The girders shield the roadway, so if some dope tags you, you're not going in the river.

It's not so much the idea of heights, it's the design of the span in conjunction with the traffic.  Here, you had an individual who drives for a living (you would hope, a "professional") and he caused a crash that put someone in the drink.

I'll bet you'd just love the Harry W. Nice bridge!  (Rte 301, crosses the Potomac between MD and VA).  I'm not bridge-phobic (unlike my sister, who will cringe down to the floorboards if she's not driving) but that bridge gives me the Willies.

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Narrow lanes, no shoulder at all, just jersey barriers and a lovely view of the waters to either side.

And just for emphasis:

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Yeah that's a fun one.
 
2014-03-20 12:52:15 PM
i used to drive over the Bay Bridge 3-4 times a week each direction.

PAVE THE BAY
 
2014-03-20 01:03:38 PM
I'm surprised no one has been punted off the Tydings bridge either.

When you're driving over it, it looks like a normal road with standard jersey walls on the side.

backcountrytranquility.files.wordpress.com
You're actually this high up over the water.

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I think it does help it's a straight pass over the water and the toll plaza is up the road from it.
 
2014-03-20 01:12:36 PM

mjones73: I'm surprised no one has been punted off the Tydings bridge either.

When you're driving over it, it looks like a normal road with standard jersey walls on the side.

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You're actually this high up over the water.

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I think it does help it's a straight pass over the water and the toll plaza is up the road from it.


I sort of wish the first one was animated, so you could see cars get buffeted from one lane to the other. It might be calm passing Havre de Grace, but as soon as you come out of that pass onto the bridge (northbound; southbound, it might be calm coming out of the DE toll), it's like a date with your mom - you get blown all over the road.
 
2014-03-20 01:16:54 PM
Dr Dreidel:

I sort of wish the first one was animated, so you could see cars get buffeted from one lane to the other. It might be calm passing Havre de Grace, but as soon as you come out of that pass onto the bridge (northbound; southbound, it might be calm coming out of the DE toll), it's like a date with your mom - you get blown all over the road.

I know exactly what you are talking about. :)

I've has the pleasure of being stuck on that bridge at night during construction, it shakes and sways nicely with all the traffic passing the other direction also.
 
2014-03-20 01:30:44 PM
Not a fan of the Tydings bridge either.  Sometimes, when I'm going to Havre de Grace I'll get off the highway and go down to the RT 40 bridge.  Much more to my liking.

Havre de Grace has some nice antique shops.  Made a few additions to my neon beer sign collection down there.

If memory serves, there's a nice bar that used to be a bank in town has a decent view of the water and good food.  It's down the street from a pawn shop.

And who DOESN'T like a pawn shop?
 
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