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2014-03-20 07:38:05 AM  
How?
 
2014-03-20 07:38:19 AM  
tells teachers to mark in green instead

Green is not a creative color.
 
2014-03-20 07:38:33 AM  
The snowfalking continues
 
2014-03-20 07:40:19 AM  
cbscwbayarea.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-03-20 07:40:27 AM  
Can we ban grades and just be done with this?
 
2014-03-20 07:42:31 AM  
I thought black was a negative color?
 
2014-03-20 07:44:47 AM  
Because everyone's a winner and gets a trophy!!!!


Quit coddling kids, failure can make them stronger.
 
2014-03-20 07:44:57 AM  
I always thought it was correct.  As in, let me correct this for you.

/I made people cry editing.
 
2014-03-20 07:45:32 AM  

ChrisDe: I thought black was a negative color?


Black is zero color. To be negative, you'd need less color than black.
 
2014-03-20 07:46:00 AM  
Again? This was a fringe thing when I was in high school about 15 years ago.
 
2014-03-20 07:46:02 AM  
Oh FFS....
 
2014-03-20 07:46:23 AM  
Daily Fail shrieking about something being 'banned'? I'm sensing large quantities of BS in the vicinity.
 
2014-03-20 07:46:40 AM  
Yup. You can't grade in red at the elem schools in my district. Most teachers use green or purple instead.

Then we'll have to change it in a couple years for the same reason.
 
2014-03-20 07:47:01 AM  
My accountant agrees.
 
2014-03-20 07:47:36 AM  
The importance of a bad education is that you can become a school board administrator.
 
2014-03-20 07:48:14 AM  

steamingpile: Because everyone's a winner and gets a trophy!!!!


Quit coddling kids, failure can make them stronger.


Yeah, look at you. You're a modern day Hercules!
 
2014-03-20 07:49:11 AM  

ChrisDe: I thought black was a negative color?


Blacks don't work. Reds are aggressive.

I think we need a rainbow pen.
 
2014-03-20 07:49:59 AM  
From the comments:

BeerDrinkingKangaroo, Sydney, Australia, 35 minutes ago

What's with the teacher marking? Is that a red tick for Question B? I'm a kangaroo and even I know 90 x 58 CANNOT equal 5267


Gold.
 
2014-03-20 07:53:09 AM  
Teaching college students I used to use a color-coding system where red was for things that were actually wrong, green was notations on incomplete answers, and point deductions were in red.  Albeit that was an upper-division engineering course so they got what I was doing immediately, even if I lost a pen and used a different three colors occasionally.

In other courses there would sometimes be multiple graders and we'd use different color pens and then not tell the students which TA used which color just to fark with them.

GoldSpider: Can we ban grades and just be done with this?


There are places that have tried doing this outright, but it's usually found that it doesn't work very well, since the core function of grades isn't a commentary on the value of the student so much as feedback for the teacher on how well the lesson is sinking in.

A couple of the lower-level places I've taught have done something a lot sillier with sort of the same effect, flooring final grades at 70/100 or adding points arbitrarily to some classes to make the scale go to 110, etc.  I've always found those kinds of "intentionally subvert the grading to make things look better" much, much more annoying than not grading at all.  But then, most of the times I've gone with "fark it, just do the homework because you need the practice, I'm only grading the exams" it's been college undergraduates, which is a different type of teaching.

// Honestly, the % grading scale is absolutely retarded to begin with if you aren't intentionally designing your tests such that the average falls relatively near to 50% in a normal distribution.  I you're not willing to deal with 20% of your students scoring under 30 points just use the letter-STD system, sheesh.
// For someone that doesn't enjoy it much I've done a lot of damned teaching.  I wish we'd fix the bloody primary/secondary school system so that constant goddamned volunteers weren't necessary.
 
2014-03-20 07:56:37 AM  
Well, how else are you supposed to see it?  I lived.
 
2014-03-20 07:56:46 AM  
Meh.
 
2014-03-20 07:58:13 AM  

nunyadang: The snowfalking continues


It's worse than you think.  It's been going on for years.  I remember reading about the negative effects of red ink at least 20 years ago.
 
2014-03-20 08:00:15 AM  
*color
 
2014-03-20 08:00:27 AM  

steamingpile: Because everyone's a winner and gets a trophy!!!!


Quit coddling kids, failure can make them stronger.


Actually, It does.
 
2014-03-20 08:02:04 AM  

vudukungfu: steamingpile: Because everyone's a winner and gets a trophy!!!!


Quit coddling kids, failure can make them stronger.

Actually, It does.


Good for you mister.
 
2014-03-20 08:02:59 AM  
 
2014-03-20 08:03:00 AM  

Cold_Sassy: vudukungfu: steamingpile: Because everyone's a winner and gets a trophy!!!!


Quit coddling kids, failure can make them stronger.

Actually, It does.

Good for you mister.


Let me mention, NO sarcasm whatsoever.
 
2014-03-20 08:03:54 AM  
I still grade everything in red ink when I can. It is visible, and it is obvious what it typically means.

/most of my "red ink" was the A at the top of the page
//public school is way, way too easy
 
2014-03-20 08:04:49 AM  
Delicate human psyches develop allergic-like reactions to red. Switch colour to green, all fixed now. We'll never look at green the same way as we looked at red, because green means go!

This is Golgafrinchan logic. Fantastic.
 
2014-03-20 08:05:30 AM  

Cold_Sassy: Good for you mister.


You look like Jane Curtain.
/That's a good thing.
 
2014-03-20 08:05:49 AM  
Oh boy, it's another "one school is doing a stupid thing, therefore ALL schools are doing it" article.
 
2014-03-20 08:05:55 AM  
My teachers usually marked in blue or green anyways,  they either couldn't be bothered to get a red pen or had lost it I suppose.

Red rooms have been known to increase heart rate and blood pressure.
http://www.psychologistworld.com/perception/color.php

What's there to mark anyway?  They don't correct spelling anymore,  that might stifle the little snowflake's creativity.

/goeng to collage to get me a jib
 
2014-03-20 08:06:27 AM  
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-03-20 08:07:17 AM  
NItzche and Darwin weap.

Where is your evolution and survival of the fittest now Neil DeGrasse Tyson?
 
2014-03-20 08:07:47 AM  

vudukungfu: Cold_Sassy: Good for you mister.

You look like Jane Curtain.
/That's a good thing.


Why thank you, I'm blushing!

/You've been a favorite of mine for a long time.  Because you make me laugh.  A lot.
 
2014-03-20 08:09:08 AM  

Cold_Sassy: vudukungfu: Cold_Sassy: Good for you mister.

You look like Jane Curtain.
/That's a good thing.

Why thank you, I'm blushing!

/You've been a favorite of mine for a long time.  Because you make me laugh.  A lot.


Another Fark connection is made.  I wish you both many manly children together.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-03-20 08:09:52 AM  
 
2014-03-20 08:11:15 AM  

ZAZ: Quick search on Fark finds:

2003: PC school bans red pens to make pupils feel better

2005: Teachers told to stop grading papers in stressful red ink. In related news, rejected TotalFark headlines to appear in kinder, gentler aquamarine

2008: Government education study says using "aggressive" red pens to mark student's work could be harming the precious little snowflakes' psyches, suggest a hot pink or passionate mauve instead

And more I'm too lazy to copy.


Shhh!  Someone in this has already said this is the only school ever to do it.  Aren't you paying attention?
 
2014-03-20 08:11:24 AM  
Back when I taught at a certain ACC school, we were given green pens for grading.  This has been going on for about a decade, and is the result of actual research.   When asked, my students replied: "Meh."
 
2014-03-20 08:11:57 AM  
Fark off, weener.
 
2014-03-20 08:12:25 AM  
She said that the system will see teachers make 'two or three positive comments' about homework.

Ok, the results of this test make it look like you're a f*cking idiot, but there's a very slim chance that you're not.  You can probably do better if you try really really hard next time.
 
2014-03-20 08:13:17 AM  

thesbis: Back when I taught at a certain ACC school, we were given green pens for grading.  This has been going on for about a decade, and is the result of actual research.   When asked, my students replied: "Meh."


ACC?   Anyone Can Come Community College?
 
2014-03-20 08:13:58 AM  

Sybarite: tells teachers to mark in green instead

Green is not a creative color.


Thank you for this.
 
2014-03-20 08:14:03 AM  

Chris Ween: I wish you both many manly children together.


We'll be getting a room, now.
got any of those magic fingers beds?
 
2014-03-20 08:15:57 AM  
"She told the paper: 'I think it was felt that red ink was a very negative colour.'"

Passive-aggressive egalitarian douchebaggery at its finest.
 
2014-03-20 08:16:55 AM  
And the meek weak shall inherit the earth, and promptly die of a stubbed toe.

AMF wimps, the planet won't remember you.
 
2014-03-20 08:17:02 AM  
This was discussed decades ago and probably once or twice before then. I'm sure the original intent came from accounting and your essay wanted to avoid being "in the red."

The color is not as important as the comment.
 
2014-03-20 08:19:25 AM  

socoloco: The importance of a bad education is that you can become a school board administrator.


Especially if you lack the cognitive and critical thinking skills to be a walmart greeter.
 
2014-03-20 08:20:49 AM  
Isn't that the whole point..?

What you got wrong is supposed to stand out?
 
2014-03-20 08:23:12 AM  
Congrats libs, you've won.  What other brilliant idea do you have to spare our youths shame, embarrassment, or hurt feelings?  Perhaps you can find the fountain of youth and keep them children forever
 
2014-03-20 08:23:21 AM  

Sybarite: tells teachers to mark in green instead

Green is not a creative color.


And once kids get used to green as the color in which they receive bad grades, they'll start to think that green is a "very negative color."  Then they'll have to go back to red, or maybe move to purple.  The color itself is irrelevant; the association in students' minds between red and bad grades is the issue.  Anyone smarter than a school administrator would know that.
 
2014-03-20 08:23:23 AM  

ChrisDe: I thought black was a negative color?


i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2014-03-20 08:24:19 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Teaching college students I used to use a color-coding system where red was for things that were actually wrong, green was notations on incomplete answers, and point deductions were in red.  Albeit that was an upper-division engineering course so they got what I was doing immediately, even if I lost a pen and used a different three colors occasionally.

In other courses there would sometimes be multiple graders and we'd use different color pens and then not tell the students which TA used which color just to fark with them.

GoldSpider: Can we ban grades and just be done with this?

There are places that have tried doing this outright, but it's usually found that it doesn't work very well, since the core function of grades isn't a commentary on the value of the student so much as feedback for the teacher on how well the lesson is sinking in.

A couple of the lower-level places I've taught have done something a lot sillier with sort of the same effect, flooring final grades at 70/100 or adding points arbitrarily to some classes to make the scale go to 110, etc.  I've always found those kinds of "intentionally subvert the grading to make things look better" much, much more annoying than not grading at all.  But then, most of the times I've gone with "fark it, just do the homework because you need the practice, I'm only grading the exams" it's been college undergraduates, which is a different type of teaching.

// Honestly, the % grading scale is absolutely retarded to begin with if you aren't intentionally designing your tests such that the average falls relatively near to 50% in a normal distribution.  I you're not willing to deal with 20% of your students scoring under 30 points just use the letter-STD system, sheesh.
// For someone that doesn't enjoy it much I've done a lot of damned teaching.  I wish we'd fix the bloody primary/secondary school system so that constant goddamned volunteers weren't necessary.


You're talking about a median student only absorbing half of a lesson's material.
 
2014-03-20 08:24:40 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: And once kids get used to green as the color in which they receive bad grades, they'll start to think that green is a "very negative color."


Yep, the whole idea is just developmentally disabled.
 
2014-03-20 08:24:42 AM  
Excellent. Let's deprive kids of negative feedback when they make mistakes or don't even try. That way the real world will be a complete surprise later and it will be hilarious.
 
2014-03-20 08:26:06 AM  

Chris Ween: NItzche and Darwin weap.

Where is your evolution and survival of the fittest now Neil DeGrasse Tyson?


You of all people should not be championing natural selection.
 
2014-03-20 08:27:02 AM  

vudukungfu: steamingpile: Because everyone's a winner and gets a trophy!!!!


Quit coddling kids, failure can make them stronger.

Actually, It does.


Indeed. People should be ashamed of their ignorance. Forced to wallow in it, forced to suffer the slings and arrows of their betters. That way it feels like an actual accomplishment when you crush them.

That said, I don't trust anyone who has never failed. It means they've never been challenged.
 
2014-03-20 08:27:23 AM  
These kids are gonna be great additions to the work force.
 
2014-03-20 08:27:55 AM  

Delta1212: ChrisDe: I thought black was a negative color?

Black is zero color. To be negative, you'd need less color than black.


It's like "how much more black could this be?" and the answer is none. None more black.
 
2014-03-20 08:28:52 AM  
LOL. Get used to it kid. If your job involves writing, you're going to see more of that red pen after you leave school. I'm actually sitting here right now looking at the copy of the report I'm writing that's just come back from my editor, and it's all marked up in red. So much red. Apparently my co-authors and I suck at teh writing.
 
2014-03-20 08:28:57 AM  

Whatchoo Talkinbout: And the meek weak shall inherit the earth, and promptly die of a stubbed toe.

AMF wimps, the planet won't remember you.


The meek shall inherit nothing.

In case that's obscure....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4npOEUMQoss&feature=kp

Some take the Bible for what it's worth
when it says that the meek shall inherit the earth
I heard that some sheik bought your country last week and you suckers ain't getting nothing.

and so on....

You know what they do in Washington
they just takes care of number one
and number one ain't you
you ain't even number 2
 
2014-03-20 08:32:49 AM  

SpectroBoy: Excellent. Let's deprive kids of negative feedback when they make mistakes or don't even try. That way the real world will be a complete surprise later and it will be hilarious.


More or less. I can understand the basic philosophy that pleasure is the root of all good and pain is the root of all evil, so exposing children to anything that feels bad is doing them evil: in other words, child abuse. It's utterly worthless as a philosophy, due to its fatally flawed initial assumptions, but the reasoning is nothing if not consistent.

But the fact is, people need to be able to cope with the negativity that ultimately affects every life to some degree, and the only way to develop those abilities is practice. Childhood, with its accompanying psychological resilience and low consequences, is the perfect time to get that practice. Kids do need protection from some things, but we do them a grave disservice by indiscriminately sweeping all negativity out of the way, because we deprive them of the opportunity to practice in a safe and controlled environment. Robbing them of that practice, in turn, deprives them of the ability to take care of themselves in the face of negative situations: the basic root of all human dignity.
 
2014-03-20 08:33:39 AM  

Chris Ween: NItzche and Darwin weap.

Where is your evolution and survival of the fittest now Neil DeGrasse Tyson?


Hang around until the Chinese take over engineering and science.
 
2014-03-20 08:33:43 AM  

SpectroBoy: ChrisDe: I thought black was a negative color?

[i3.kym-cdn.com image 150x134]


What's wrong with being racy?

img.fark.net
 
2014-03-20 08:34:57 AM  

SpectroBoy: Excellent. Let's deprive kids of negative feedback when they make mistakes or don't even try. That way the real world will be a complete surprise later and it will be hilarious.


This is the perfect news piece on education. It is an experience shared by most and trolls many. It is fun to talk about.

The more important issues like aliteracy or cognitive function on an empty stomach are not so compact.
 
2014-03-20 08:36:11 AM  

GodComplex: I don't trust anyone who has never failed.


Yeah, they might get some kind of a god compl....
ah wait.
 
2014-03-20 08:40:38 AM  
It's the DailyFail so I shall take it with a teaspoon of salt.

But if your answer is wrong then a 'negative' (lol) colour is needed.  By their logic, in a few years they will be saying green is a negative colour.

Also red is not a negative colour - it is a highlighting colour - else coke has wasted a lot of money.

(I just noticed that fark bands at the top and bottom of the pages ... terrible.)
 
2014-03-20 08:44:48 AM  
Weirdly enough, the reason we use red is because it's easily seen.  Green and purple tend to blend in a bit more.  So, I guess people don't want students to see all their mistakes at once?

Anyway, whenever we have professional development, we're usually told not to use red and to never ever use sarcasm in the classroom.  No educational theorist has _ever_ told me that having a sense of humor as a teacher is an extremely important quality to possess.  But that red ink and sarcasm are the devil -- that is something they all agree on.    ... and ending a sentence with a preposition, that's bad too.
 
2014-03-20 08:46:01 AM  
I've had a habit of avoiding red when marking my students' tests and papers for a number of years now, but it has nothing to do with it being "too negative".  It has more to do with my not liking to do the same damned thing all the time.
 
2014-03-20 08:53:07 AM  
The rise of the Eloi continues.

CSB - I had an employee file a hostile work environment complaint with me against another supervisor because the supervisor sent out a department-wide email that had words bolded in red.  "Red is an angry color, it comes from a place of hostility."
 
2014-03-20 08:53:38 AM  
I grade in whatever color of cheap-ass pen happens to work today and (amazingly) still be on my desk when I reach for one.
 
2014-03-20 08:55:56 AM  
Call Every 1 a winner and give them a cup of hot chocolate.
 
2014-03-20 08:58:39 AM  

Archie Goodwin: Call Every 1 a winner and give them a cup of hot chocolate.


What you did there, I sees it.

FLMountainMan: CSB - I had an employee file a hostile work environment complaint with me against another supervisor because the supervisor sent out a department-wide email that had words bolded in red. "Red is an angry color, it comes from a place of hostility."


Actually, red is a slow colour.
 
2014-03-20 08:59:13 AM  
The ginger hating has really gone too far.
 
2014-03-20 09:01:01 AM  
From my brief experience in the doomed American Education System, I can picture the buffoon who came up with this.  It's one idiot after the other in mid and upper management tripping over each other to come up with the latest hot new idea, but they're all too dimwitted to come up with an actual good, effective idea. 

Incidentally, I took a look at my old high school.  One of my old classmates is the principal now.  She wasn't bright, but she was one of those people who'd tattle on everyone.  She wasn't smart enough to be in our gifted program, or even the honors program, and she probably wasn't an exceptional student in the regular program, either. 

There's a lot more brains at the bottom of the education system where most people have degrees in a subject field and a certificate to teach (i.e., an engineer teaching math versus an education major teaching math).  People with teaching certificates seemed to rarely get promoted.

I guess the administrators are selected based on their aptitude at kissing ass.. who knows, because they sure are farking dumb.  I had superiors who could not even understand my own state requirements.. written in technical mathematical jargon that they might have been able to comprehend if they hadn't spent their four college years studying education theory.
 
2014-03-20 09:06:54 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: Chris Ween: NItzche and Darwin weap.

Where is your evolution and survival of the fittest now Neil DeGrasse Tyson?

You of all people should not be championing natural selection.


You didn't mark it in red so I win. Also stupid autocorrect.
 
2014-03-20 09:07:47 AM  

Cerebral Ballsy: Incidentally, I took a look at my old high school. One of my old classmates is the principal now. She wasn't bright, but she was one of those people who'd tattle on everyone. She wasn't smart enough to be in our gifted program, or even the honors program, and she probably wasn't an exceptional student in the regular program, either.


That right there says everything.
 
2014-03-20 09:08:17 AM  
PS..  I substituted before I taught and I met a lot of admins.. I'm trying hard but can't think of one that I thought was exceptionally smart or competent.  Maybe back in high school I knew a few.

I rarely met an incompetent teacher.  Most of them are desperately trying to get through insane workloads.. modern heroes for putting up with what they do.  Honestly, the pay was way too low for the insane amount of hours I was expected to work (you are expected to do many hours of planning and paperwork on your own time).
 
2014-03-20 09:13:47 AM  

Millennium: But the fact is, people need to be able to cope with the negativity that ultimately affects every life to some degree, and the only way to develop those abilities is practice. Childhood, with its accompanying psychological resilience and low consequences, is the perfect time to get that practice. Kids do need protection from some things, but we do them a grave disservice by indiscriminately sweeping all negativity out of the way, because we deprive them of the opportunity to practice in a safe and controlled environment. Robbing them of that practice, in turn, deprives them of the ability to take care of themselves in the face of negative situations: the basic root of all human dignity.



THIS
 
2014-03-20 09:16:53 AM  

Cerebral Ballsy: PS..  I substituted before I taught and I met a lot of admins.. I'm trying hard but can't think of one that I thought was exceptionally smart or competent.  Maybe back in high school I knew a few.

I rarely met an incompetent teacher.  Most of them are desperately trying to get through insane workloads.. modern heroes for putting up with what they do.  Honestly, the pay was way too low for the insane amount of hours I was expected to work (you are expected to do many hours of planning and paperwork on your own time).


^^^^^
THIS
 
2014-03-20 09:16:58 AM  
Isn't it about time that DailyMail has to pay fark for greenlighting their thousands of links, and gets stamped with a Sponsored Post tag?
 
2014-03-20 09:18:40 AM  

pxlboy: Cerebral Ballsy: Incidentally, I took a look at my old high school. One of my old classmates is the principal now. She wasn't bright, but she was one of those people who'd tattle on everyone. She wasn't smart enough to be in our gifted program, or even the honors program, and she probably wasn't an exceptional student in the regular program, either.

That right there says everything.


My old high school has the same thing.  However, with the exponential growth at our school in the past 20 years, I think she has done great.  The school is much friendlier than it has a right to be to kids of differing cliques.  My daughter is "different" and the environment works for her.  And at the elementary my son goes to, the principal has bent over backward for my son who has autism.  I'm delightfully surprised that these administrators are actually more helpful than harmful.
 
2014-03-20 09:20:37 AM  
Whatever color you choose will attain a negative connotation if you get bad grades.

Banning red as a color for grading is the dumbest thing ever.


Wouldn't the kids who are always getting A+ grades associate red ink with awesomeness?
 
2014-03-20 09:22:23 AM  

gfid: Whatchoo Talkinbout: And the meek weak shall inherit the earth, and promptly die of a stubbed toe.

AMF wimps, the planet won't remember you.

The meek shall inherit nothing.

In case that's obscure....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4npOEUMQoss&feature=kp

Some take the Bible for what it's worth
when it says that the meek shall inherit the earth
I heard that some sheik bought your country last week and you suckers ain't getting nothing.

and so on....

You know what they do in Washington
they just takes care of number one
and number one ain't you
you ain't even number 2


Word, bro.
 
2014-03-20 09:26:22 AM  
When I was teaching in Taiwan we had a similar policy. We could check or x out or make corrections in red, but any long comments such as "Dear Jenny, please make sure put a space between the words 'pen' and 'is'" had to be in another color.
 
2014-03-20 09:27:45 AM  

daha: Isn't it about time that DailyMail has to pay fark for greenlighting their thousands of links, and gets stamped with a Sponsored Post tag?


But then no one would click on them.
 
2014-03-20 09:30:34 AM  
Does it matter if the wrong answer is marked in red or in pink glittery ink? The answer is still WRONG! YOU GET NOTHING!
 
2014-03-20 09:30:58 AM  

HailRobonia: When I was teaching in Taiwan we had a similar policy. We could check or x out or make corrections in red, but any long comments such as "Dear Jenny, please make sure put a space between the words 'pen' and 'is'" had to be in another color.


Does that happen often in Taiwan?  Because that sounds sort of hot.  I'd like to meet Jenny.
 
2014-03-20 09:31:09 AM  
What's wrong with red again?
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-03-20 09:35:09 AM  

manimal2878: Whatever color you choose will attain a negative connotation if you get bad grades.

Banning red as a color for grading is the dumbest thing ever.


Wouldn't the kids who are always getting A+ grades associate red ink with awesomeness?


Re: color association (X color is the new red)

I'm telling you, the people who come up with these ideas are not smart enough to get this.  In meetings, if you disagree, you are shot down, then we take a "vote". 

It's that bad.
 
2014-03-20 09:35:42 AM  
I just grade with whatever pen is at hand at the time. Assignments are typed so the writing always is mine.

An F is an F regardless of the ink.

I believe the transcripts are printed in black. Does this imbue transcripts with a postmodern bleakness, achievements and failure reduced to standard type face? Let's commission a big bullshiat research project so everyone can meet publication quota.
 
2014-03-20 09:37:49 AM  

Cerebral Ballsy: There's a lot more brains at the bottom of the education system where most people have degrees in a subject field and a certificate to teach (i.e., an engineer teaching math versus an education major teaching math).


Nearly every state (and I'm only saying nearly because I don't know definitively that it's all states, but every one I'm familiar with, certainly) requires a bachelor of science major (or equivalent in credits) in a subject area before they'll let you attempt the certification testing for that subject matter. Praxis II - Content is... lively. High school teachers are certified for that subject area only. If one wants more than one area of certification, they have to do additional tests. Elementary school requires the same number of credit hours, but the equivalent-to-major requirement is more generalized, as is the certification test.
 
2014-03-20 09:41:52 AM  

Deep Contact: What's wrong with red again?
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 640x360]


You pay $2M for it, and Ferrari still doesn't let you have it.
 
2014-03-20 09:41:54 AM  

Whodat: Does it matter if the wrong answer is marked in red or in pink glittery ink? The answer is still WRONG! YOU GET NOTHING!


Exactly.  How are they every supposed to lean anything if everything is "right?"  Asinine.
 
2014-03-20 09:43:10 AM  
Let's all have a pointless debate about color because if we just find the right one education is fixed, forever!  What gets marked should generally be a function of what's worthy of attention, and depends upon how your assignments are structured.

If you are doing math problems there is usually an unambiguous correct answer and anything else is wrong.  There isn't much room for creativity or elaboration.  Marking mistakes, in any color easily distinguishable from what's already on the page, is appropriate so long as the majority of responses are correct.  If, on the other hand, the assignment is particularly difficult (either by design or because the student is having difficulty) it may be more efficient, and potentially more useful for the student, to mark successes.  However, giving kudos for doing something that everyone is capable of doing is not helpful or motivating.  Congratulate a child for blinking and see how excited they get.

Other subjects provide a lot more room to play.  If a student provides a wrong answer (say by writing a sentence) you could just cross out the mistakes.  You could write in the correct answer for their reference.  You could ask them a question about their answer to try and guide them to the mistake - let them find, on their own, where their previous logic breaks down.  You can get all kinds of clever and elaborate with this stuff, but the more useful an idea is the more time it is likely to take to implement.

Homework and tests and marking and grades are all born out of the need to teach a group of people the same thing at the same time as efficiently as possible.  They also provide a handy way to measure and evaluate teachers and schools, but that's secondary (and is a big part of why standardized testing provides so little benefit to students anymore - this secondary use has taken priority).  No amount of money or extra administrators or legislation is going to improve education for everyone when the focus is on these constructs that do not exist to educate students but merely to make doing so in an assembly line fashion more efficient.

Parents are the only ones who can devote the time necessary to educate their children to the highest possible quality.  If all you do is send your child to school, and that's all the education they're going to get, they are going to be the human equivalent of a fast food meal - serviceable but nothing special, and not worth much.  Participating in your child's education is the only way to give them more.  Even if all you're doing is taking the fast food home and dressing it up a bit (yay steamed hams!), you're still adding value.  It's worth noting, of course, that not everyone can cook something on their own that is even up to fast food standards.  Schools do have their uses.
 
2014-03-20 09:46:19 AM  

MooseUpNorth: Cerebral Ballsy: There's a lot more brains at the bottom of the education system where most people have degrees in a subject field and a certificate to teach (i.e., an engineer teaching math versus an education major teaching math).

Nearly every state (and I'm only saying nearly because I don't know definitively that it's all states, but every one I'm familiar with, certainly) requires a bachelor of science major (or equivalent in credits) in a subject area before they'll let you attempt the certification testing for that subject matter. Praxis II - Content is... lively. High school teachers are certified for that subject area only. If one wants more than one area of certification, they have to do additional tests. Elementary school requires the same number of credit hours, but the equivalent-to-major requirement is more generalized, as is the certification test.


In Florida, you only need a B.A. and the cert. test.. plus a few other certifications that you can earn while you teach.
 
2014-03-20 09:46:58 AM  

Deep Contact: What's wrong with red again?
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Yeah, look at these terrible parents drowning their kids in negativity:
i796.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-20 09:49:08 AM  
Yeah, because that "F, you fail again you stupid dumbass!" is so much less harsh in purple.
 
2014-03-20 09:56:18 AM  

MooseUpNorth: Cerebral Ballsy: There's a lot more brains at the bottom of the education system where most people have degrees in a subject field and a certificate to teach (i.e., an engineer teaching math versus an education major teaching math).

Nearly every state (and I'm only saying nearly because I don't know definitively that it's all states, but every one I'm familiar with, certainly) requires a bachelor of science major (or equivalent in credits) in a subject area before they'll let you attempt the certification testing for that subject matter. Praxis II - Content is... lively. High school teachers are certified for that subject area only. If one wants more than one area of certification, they have to do additional tests. Elementary school requires the same number of credit hours, but the equivalent-to-major requirement is more generalized, as is the certification test.


CSB

I went to a private school.so the teachers didn't have to be certified by the state.  That doesn't mean they weren't held to high standards, but it did mean they didn't have to know everything about our state's history just so they could teach computer science.  I still remember a couple of teacher's biatching about it.  I guess they didn't get paid very well.  They wanted to teach in public schools.  Go figure.  At least in my school the delinquents got expelled.

Also, one of the biggest fark-ups I ever knew became a public school teacher.   He had a BS, but he was not only an idiot, but he was a drunken drug user who was probably half drunk when he started class every day - if he managed to show up.
 
2014-03-20 09:57:08 AM  
EggSniper:

If you are doing math problems there is usually an unambiguous correct answer and anything else is wrong.  There isn't much room for creativity or elaboration.


With Common Core, this is no longer the case.  Students no longer answer in simple numerical responses, they now are expected to explain how they arrived at their answer in essay form.
 
2014-03-20 10:01:09 AM  

Cerebral Ballsy: In Florida, you only need a B.A. and the cert. test.. plus a few other certifications that you can earn while you teach.


Er, sorry, I do have to correct one thing in my post that I didn't catch while proofreading. It doesn't have to be a science degree. A bachelor of arts degree is fine too for art content experts, so long as you have the major and certification test in the appropriate subject. Elementary school teachers get equivalent to a B.A. (the range of mandatory-ish credits for an elementary certification is easier to do from an arts degree (or an education degree) than it is from a BSc, although both are certainly possible if you know what the requirements are when you start.
 
2014-03-20 10:02:47 AM  
In other news: financial ledgers will now use green ink to show negative amounts.
 
2014-03-20 10:03:19 AM  
My most recent professor was clearly from the old camp as my first paper was marked from top to bottom with red ink. I had deja-vu from my 90's high school experience.

The main difference between then and now is that I appreciated the work she put into the grading. I could tell that she cared about her job and  actually read my paper.  It is a shame that kids in the future will not
 
2014-03-20 10:04:21 AM  
Ugh.. Copy and paste miss-clicks....

My last professor was clearly from the old camp as my first paper was marked from top to bottom with red ink. I had déjà vu from my 90's high school experience.

Unlike the past, I appreciated the work she put into the grading. I could tell that she cared about her job and actually took the time to read my paper.  The human experience is becoming completely digital.
 
2014-03-20 10:21:57 AM  
So its wrong then that I mark my tests in tonnes of red ink with unhappy faces and snarky comments near stupid mistakes?
Funny my students actually like it and get upset when i don't add some humour to their test marking.  They see I am not taking their marks personally so they don't either.
 
2014-03-20 10:27:33 AM  

socoloco: Blacks don't work. Reds are aggressive.


i2.kym-cdn.com
 
2014-03-20 10:29:39 AM  

Cerebral Ballsy: EggSniper:

If you are doing math problems there is usually an unambiguous correct answer and anything else is wrong.  There isn't much room for creativity or elaboration.


With Common Core, this is no longer the case.  Students no longer answer in simple numerical responses, they now are expected to explain how they arrived at their answer in essay form.


I have to argue this, too. Common Core aside, while there's an 'unambiguous correct answer', that really isn't enough. Math isn't about finding the right answer (although that is part of it). It's about convincing your reader (if only yourself) that you know what you're talking about.

This is usually done by 'showing your work' numerically (which one can peer-review or self-review), but for some concepts, it can be true that one's thinking is more easily clarified through a verbal or written explanation. This can expose flaws in one's understanding (to the student as well as to the teacher) and helps to know what needs further attention.

How one solves a problem is far more important to teaching math than is getting the right answer.

If a student chooses a less-than-optimal method for solving the problem, even if correct, it can indicate places where they're missing concepts for whatever reason.
 
2014-03-20 10:34:43 AM  
Plant taxonomy prof in college graded on content and grammar on his exams.
Red pen, it looked like he used red spray paint.
/Eric the red was his nickname
 
2014-03-20 10:37:16 AM  
img.fark.net

I remember this faux outrage from 5 or 10 years ago.
It's been so long ago I don't remember how long it's been.
Can't Daily Fail come up with new material anymore?  I know Fark can't.
 
2014-03-20 10:43:30 AM  

Cerebral Ballsy: EggSniper:

If you are doing math problems there is usually an unambiguous correct answer and anything else is wrong.  There isn't much room for creativity or elaboration.


With Common Core, this is no longer the case.  Students no longer answer in simple numerical responses, they now are expected to explain how they arrived at their answer in essay form.


What do you mean, "no longer"? I got points counted off for not showing my work on math problems back in the 80's, and even then, there were stories about being marked down for not following the teacher-sanctioned route to the solution. (I never had that happen myself, maybe because my math teachers actually knew math.)
 
2014-03-20 10:44:39 AM  
While the action is goofy, the intent makes sense to me. To learn, you need to not only know that you got something wrong, you need to know why it was wrong, and how to make it right. Obviously with multiple choice or true/false answers that's easy to communicate. With writing or multistep equations, it is more complex. You don't want to take the time to write out how an answer was wrong just for the kid to see that it was wrong and skip the why part. Changing the ink color may help that, but it seems like it was a "throw it at the wall and hope it sticks" decision, rather than based on anything empirical.
 
2014-03-20 10:45:30 AM  

Delta1212: ChrisDe: I thought black was a negative color?

Black is zero color. To be negative, you'd need less color than black.


Any non white colour is a negative colour, cause it excludes other colours.

Red is an ANGRY colour. I know.
 
2014-03-20 10:46:26 AM  

Cerebral Ballsy: MooseUpNorth: Cerebral Ballsy: There's a lot more brains at the bottom of the education system where most people have degrees in a subject field and a certificate to teach (i.e., an engineer teaching math versus an education major teaching math).

Nearly every state (and I'm only saying nearly because I don't know definitively that it's all states, but every one I'm familiar with, certainly) requires a bachelor of science major (or equivalent in credits) in a subject area before they'll let you attempt the certification testing for that subject matter. Praxis II - Content is... lively. High school teachers are certified for that subject area only. If one wants more than one area of certification, they have to do additional tests. Elementary school requires the same number of credit hours, but the equivalent-to-major requirement is more generalized, as is the certification test.

In Florida, you only need a B.A. and the cert. test.. plus a few other certifications that you can earn while you teach.


Why do you hate teachers and seek to diminish their qualifications?  The Koch Brothers paid you to write this gibberish, didn't they?
 
2014-03-20 10:51:10 AM  

gimlet: My most recent professor was clearly from the old camp as my first paper was marked from top to bottom with red ink. I had deja-vu from my 90's high school experience.

The main difference between then and now is that I appreciated the work she put into the grading. I could tell that she cared about her job and  actually read my paper.  It is a shame that kids in the future will not


I always find it more disturbing to get a low grade or disapproval for a task without knowing where the mistake was made.  In school or work, just telling someone that they did it wrong without explaining what was done wrong will not make a better productive student or worker.  Sure, people are smart enough to figure it out in time, but why waste time getting there.

We had two new people added to my department at work, one transferred from another department and the other is a new hire.  We are getting rid of the transfer, sending him back, and keeping the new hire.  The new hire listens, so we can work with that.  The transfer keeps lying about what he does and claiming to be taking all the blame, like we have no way of knowing who does what.  So he knows he is failing, but can't seem to understand he would need to change his actions to make it work.  For a guy more than 10 years younger than me, I would think he wouldn't be so set in his ways.
 
2014-03-20 10:55:31 AM  
vermillion it is.
 
2014-03-20 11:06:08 AM  
My yellow in this case is not so mellow
 
2014-03-20 11:07:27 AM  
I'm sure the crappy decision was written in brown ink or in #2 pencil.
 
2014-03-20 11:11:02 AM  
periwankle it is.
 
2014-03-20 11:11:16 AM  
Several very bright people who's job it is to think about these things have come up with some interesting ideas in regards to education.  Not one of them that I can remember has sat down and said that grades are a bad thing.

...

A more novel approach, I thought, was moving to a 100% computer proctored teaching, homework, and testing system, and school would be a place for students to discuss issues with other students and the teacher.  Each student would be at their own pace, and once you had completed enough assignments with a high enough mark, you'd have the ability to take the test and continue down that learning track.

That allows for those who excel to excel, and those who need extra help to have individualized tutoring.  School would be where you DO your 'homework', because the teacher would be there to help you with each problem if you needed it. In this scenario, the teacher is there to monitor progress and provide literal one-on-one tutoring.

There's also an interesting shift;  a failed test just means that you haven't prepared well enough for that subject yet, and has no negative stigma.  You can just take it again tomorrow.  You don't have to worry about a whole class building on previous assignments when you're still grasping the basics.  In fact the closest thing to having a grade would be a comparison of your individual progress vs. the average or expected progress rate, and that'd be the teacher's primary responsibility to help correct.

Sure, this doesn't work for every type of class - creative writing is one that comes to mind - but it does for all the core competency classes we deem to be necessary.
 
2014-03-20 11:14:11 AM  

Gerald Tarrant: So its wrong then that I mark my tests in tonnes of red ink with unhappy faces and snarky comments near stupid mistakes?
Funny my students actually like it and get upset when i don't add some humour to their test marking.  They see I am not taking their marks personally so they don't either.


example, please?  I assume you don't just put a frowny face  and write "you're so stupid" if they spell something wrong.  I'm just trying to figure out the right amount of snark and humor to put into correcting a student.
 
2014-03-20 11:21:44 AM  
Red has always been the color for correction in editing.  Reason being is that no one actually does the work in red ink.  It's always black or blue.  The red is a stark contrast, and therefore very easy to see.  Green, eh, not so much.

This has always been the case.

For some idiot to perceive this as negative is simply idiotic.
 
2014-03-20 11:21:47 AM  

gfid: Gerald Tarrant: So its wrong then that I mark my tests in tonnes of red ink with unhappy faces and snarky comments near stupid mistakes?
Funny my students actually like it and get upset when i don't add some humour to their test marking.  They see I am not taking their marks personally so they don't either.

example, please?  I assume you don't just put a frowny face  and write "you're so stupid" if they spell something wrong.  I'm just trying to figure out the right amount of snark and humor to put into correcting a student.


frowny face and "your so stupid" or "your a looser"
 
2014-03-20 11:22:31 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Teaching college students I used to use a color-coding system where red was for things that were actually wrong, green was notations on incomplete answers, and point deductions were in red. Albeit that was an upper-division engineering course so they got what I was doing immediately, even if I lost a pen and used a different three colors occasionally.


Like orange, green, and orange?
 
2014-03-20 11:24:53 AM  
I had a teacher in my middle school gifted program (great teacher actually) who marked papers with green checks because she thought red x's were too negative.

The first day we got an assignment back, everyone in the class was happy with their results... Until I raised my hand and asked her why a wrong answer had a green check next to it on my paper.

The sudden panic on everyone else's face followed by instant crushing disappointment when they took a second look at their assignment was priceless. I only wish I had been born in a time with phone video cameras.
 
2014-03-20 11:27:15 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-20 11:27:32 AM  
whatever color you choose becomes negative when you attach it to failure

if red was good and green bad, they'd be talking about banning green

get over it
 
2014-03-20 11:33:44 AM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-03-20 11:44:31 AM  

durbnpoisn: Red has always been the color for correction in editing.  Reason being is that no one actually does the work in red ink.  It's always black or blue.  The red is a stark contrast, and therefore very easy to see.  Green, eh, not so much.


Well, they don't really want the snowflakes to see how badly they did or that they did something incorrectly.

I write my to do lists and things like that at work in different colors so I don't get bored looking at black or blue ink, but if someone asks me to proofread a letter (and it's not online) I use red. Because that's the color that equals corrections and changes.

When I worked as a proofreader, if I corrected copy in green, I'd have been biatched out. And if I did it again after that, I'd have been fired.
 
2014-03-20 11:45:26 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Archie Goodwin: Call Every 1 a winner and give them a cup of hot chocolate.

What you did there, I sees it.

FLMountainMan: CSB - I had an employee file a hostile work environment complaint with me against another supervisor because the supervisor sent out a department-wide email that had words bolded in red. "Red is an angry color, it comes from a place of hostility."

Actually, red is a slow colour.


I call BS - everyone knows Red Ones Go Faster
 
2014-03-20 11:46:05 AM  

socoloco: The importance of a bad education is that you can become a school board administrator college professor of education with little to no classroom experience.


FTFY
 
2014-03-20 11:53:13 AM  

Chris Ween: Cold_Sassy: vudukungfu: Cold_Sassy: Good for you mister.

You look like Jane Curtain.
/That's a good thing.

Why thank you, I'm blushing!

/You've been a favorite of mine for a long time.  Because you make me laugh.  A lot.

Another Fark connection is made.  I wish you both many manly children together.


Too bad they'll be having girls.
 
2014-03-20 11:53:33 AM  

ChrisDe: I thought black was a negative color?


Black is beautiful. Black is empowering. Black is defining.
 
2014-03-20 11:56:13 AM  
Hey, western world.  Your grandkids are gonna be mud f*ck stupid and the people dismantling the joint are very pleased with this.
 
2014-03-20 11:56:28 AM  

Cerebral Ballsy: EggSniper:

If you are doing math problems there is usually an unambiguous correct answer and anything else is wrong.  There isn't much room for creativity or elaboration.


With Common Core, this is no longer the case.  Students no longer answer in simple numerical responses, they now are expected to explain how they arrived at their answer in essay form.


Common core appears to be how I do mental math: 18+18 is 20+20 -4. But it's still dumb when you have paper and pencil.
 
2014-03-20 11:59:34 AM  

Delta1212: ChrisDe: I thought black was a negative color?

Black is zero color. To be negative, you'd need less color than black.


Dro*in*the*Wind is watching you closely.
 
2014-03-20 12:00:05 PM  

AdamK: whatever color you choose becomes negative when you attach it to failure

if red was good and green bad, they'd be talking about banning green

get over it


Just like every time they change what they call the speds or tards, it's not like kids don't catch on instantly.
 
2014-03-20 12:07:38 PM  

bunner: Hey, western world.  Your grandkids are gonna be mud f*ck stupid and the people dismantling the joint are very pleased with this.


hey man, at least we aren't like stiffening their creativity and making them feel all bummed out and stuff.
 
2014-03-20 12:13:06 PM  
Great idea.  Make sure they never experience disappointment until they're old enough to kill lots of people.
 
2014-03-20 12:14:37 PM  
black is such a negative color that  blacks african americans do not want to be called it.

so why doesn't crayola start calling that crayon african ?
 
2014-03-20 12:18:43 PM  

WTP 2: black is such a negative color that  blacks african americans do not want to be called it.

so why doesn't crayola start calling that crayon african ?


That'd go over about as well as "Flesh" and "Indian Red" crayolas did.
 
2014-03-20 12:25:40 PM  

Ruiizu: I still grade everything in red ink when I can. It is visible, and it is obvious what it typically means.

/most of my "red ink" was the A at the top of the page
//public school is way, way too easy


Set the bat for an A higher?

I'm guessing you taught elementary or middle school?
 
2014-03-20 12:32:29 PM  

MooseUpNorth: Cerebral Ballsy: There's a lot more brains at the bottom of the education system where most people have degrees in a subject field and a certificate to teach (i.e., an engineer teaching math versus an education major teaching math).

Nearly every state (and I'm only saying nearly because I don't know definitively that it's all states, but every one I'm familiar with, certainly) requires a bachelor of science major (or equivalent in credits) in a subject area before they'll let you attempt the certification testing for that subject matter. Praxis II - Content is... lively. High school teachers are certified for that subject area only. If one wants more than one area of certification, they have to do additional tests. Elementary school requires the same number of credit hours, but the equivalent-to-major requirement is more generalized, as is the certification test.


No Child left behind replaced the credit requirement with a standardize test instead.

If for some odd reason your state required credits before taking the test you could just get certified in a state without that requirement and then transfer your certification.
 
2014-03-20 12:34:24 PM  

MooseUpNorth: Cerebral Ballsy: EggSniper:

If you are doing math problems there is usually an unambiguous correct answer and anything else is wrong.  There isn't much room for creativity or elaboration.


With Common Core, this is no longer the case.  Students no longer answer in simple numerical responses, they now are expected to explain how they arrived at their answer in essay form.

I have to argue this, too. Common Core aside, while there's an 'unambiguous correct answer', that really isn't enough. Math isn't about finding the right answer (although that is part of it). It's about convincing your reader (if only yourself) that you know what you're talking about.

This is usually done by 'showing your work' numerically (which one can peer-review or self-review), but for some concepts, it can be true that one's thinking is more easily clarified through a verbal or written explanation. This can expose flaws in one's understanding (to the student as well as to the teacher) and helps to know what needs further attention.

How one solves a problem is far more important to teaching math than is getting the right answer.

If a student chooses a less-than-optimal method for solving the problem, even if correct, it can indicate places where they're missing concepts for whatever reason.


So much this
 
2014-03-20 12:35:51 PM  

Mithiwithi: Cerebral Ballsy: EggSniper:

If you are doing math problems there is usually an unambiguous correct answer and anything else is wrong.  There isn't much room for creativity or elaboration.


With Common Core, this is no longer the case.  Students no longer answer in simple numerical responses, they now are expected to explain how they arrived at their answer in essay form.

What do you mean, "no longer"? I got points counted off for not showing my work on math problems back in the 80's, and even then, there were stories about being marked down for not following the teacher-sanctioned route to the solution. (I never had that happen myself, maybe because my math teachers actually knew math.)


No it isn't just showing work. They have to write in complete sentences how they solved the problem.
 
2014-03-20 12:48:24 PM  
Red is a negative color?  Bullshiat.  I just made this building section sheet BLEED.  I love making redlines.  It gives me a reason to give the project managers and drafters their daily dose of shiat talking

/one red pencil per 2 sheets
//BLEED
 
2014-03-20 01:03:06 PM  

shtychkn: Mithiwithi: Cerebral Ballsy: EggSniper:

If you are doing math problems there is usually an unambiguous correct answer and anything else is wrong.  There isn't much room for creativity or elaboration.


With Common Core, this is no longer the case.  Students no longer answer in simple numerical responses, they now are expected to explain how they arrived at their answer in essay form.

What do you mean, "no longer"? I got points counted off for not showing my work on math problems back in the 80's, and even then, there were stories about being marked down for not following the teacher-sanctioned route to the solution. (I never had that happen myself, maybe because my math teachers actually knew math.)

No it isn't just showing work. They have to write in complete sentences how they solved the problem.


Do you have a source for this that doesn't begin with FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:"? Because while I can believe that there may be one or two or even half a dozen questions like that  - which is not necessarily a bad thing - the idea that all (or most) of them are like that smells like unmitigated bullshiat to me.
 
2014-03-20 02:07:40 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: shtychkn: Mithiwithi: Cerebral Ballsy: EggSniper:

If you are doing math problems there is usually an unambiguous correct answer and anything else is wrong.  There isn't much room for creativity or elaboration.


With Common Core, this is no longer the case.  Students no longer answer in simple numerical responses, they now are expected to explain how they arrived at their answer in essay form.

What do you mean, "no longer"? I got points counted off for not showing my work on math problems back in the 80's, and even then, there were stories about being marked down for not following the teacher-sanctioned route to the solution. (I never had that happen myself, maybe because my math teachers actually knew math.)

No it isn't just showing work. They have to write in complete sentences how they solved the problem.

Do you have a source for this that doesn't begin with FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:"? Because while I can believe that there may be one or two or even half a dozen questions like that  - which is not necessarily a bad thing - the idea that all (or most) of them are like that smells like unmitigated bullshiat to me.


It's just a standard that students need to be able to do that. How it is implemented is up to individual districts, schools, and teachers.


I agree that a few problems were you explain the process is good.

I can't believe that a teacher would give 30 problems like that.
 
2014-03-20 02:13:08 PM  
3 to 5 problems explaining and then 5 to 10 show your work questions for practice would be more educationally sound then the 30 to 45 questions students tend to do now.
 
2014-03-20 02:22:11 PM  
Think about the children's self-esteem!
 
2014-03-20 03:38:27 PM  
I started marking up my civil construction plans (for the CAD tech) in green about a year or so ago after reading about red=bad or some such.  Blue and black don't stand out enough and are easily missed.  I still don't think he likes me any more than he did when I was using red.  I've probably just re-associated the green=bad for him at this point.
 
2014-03-20 04:03:39 PM  
I was always a good student, but three decades later I still remember my 4th grade teacher.  She would make everyone's papers bloody with red ink.  It was farking demoralizing.  I hope the coont is burning in hell today.
 
2014-03-20 04:24:46 PM  
"He's flunking social studies"

/obscure?
 
2014-03-20 04:30:48 PM  

socoloco: ChrisDe: I thought black was a negative color?

Blacks don't work. Reds are aggressive.

I think we need a rainbow pen.


That's just ghey
 
2014-03-20 04:46:44 PM  

bunner: Hey, western world.  Your grandkids are gonna be mud f*ck stupid and the people dismantling the joint are very pleased with this.


Who is John Galt?
 
2014-03-20 04:55:40 PM  

shtychkn: No Child left behind replaced the credit requirement with a standardize test instead.


The credits requirements from the bachelor's degree were to let me begin the education program at my college. (Folks doing the 4 year 'from scratch' version began the education courses only in their third year once the other credit requirements were complete.) Being on the final year of the education component was a (college) requirement to be allowed to attempt Praxis II - PLT and Praxis II - Content Area (which were typically attempted on the same grueling day.)

shtychkn: 3 to 5 problems explaining and then 5 to 10 show your work questions for practice would be more educationally sound then the 30 to 45 questions students tend to do now.


I'm also going to need a citation for this as well. It definitely reads like a scare-the-teahadists email propaganda. We might do _one_ 'explain your reasoning' question in a question set, but certainly never 30-45.
 
2014-03-20 05:10:02 PM  

MooseUpNorth: shtychkn: No Child left behind replaced the credit requirement with a standardize test instead.

The credits requirements from the bachelor's degree were to let me begin the education program at my college. (Folks doing the 4 year 'from scratch' version began the education courses only in their third year once the other credit requirements were complete.) Being on the final year of the education component was a (college) requirement to be allowed to attempt Praxis II - PLT and Praxis II - Content Area (which were typically attempted on the same grueling day.)

shtychkn: 3 to 5 problems explaining and then 5 to 10 show your work questions for practice would be more educationally sound then the 30 to 45 questions students tend to do now.

I'm also going to need a citation for this as well. It definitely reads like a scare-the-teahadists email propaganda. We might do _one_ 'explain your reasoning' question in a question set, but certainly never 30-45.


Like I said. The is no citation outside of the standards cause I'm not making a claim as to how many they will need to do.

The standard just says they need to do them. Districts, schools, and teachers will set how they fulfill the standard.
 
2014-03-20 05:13:26 PM  

shtychkn: Like I said.

[...] "would be more educationally sound then the 30 to 45 questions students tend to do now."

shtychkn: [...] cause I'm not making a claim as to how many they will need to do.


The bolded bit might need clarification or retraction, don't you think?
 
2014-03-20 05:14:13 PM  

MooseUpNorth: shtychkn: No Child left behind replaced the credit requirement with a standardize test instead.

The credits requirements from the bachelor's degree were to let me begin the education program at my college. (Folks doing the 4 year 'from scratch' version began the education courses only in their third year once the other credit requirements were complete.) Being on the final year of the education component was a (college) requirement to be allowed to attempt Praxis II - PLT and Praxis II - Content Area (which were typically attempted on the same grueling day.)

shtychkn: 3 to 5 problems explaining and then 5 to 10 show your work questions for practice would be more educationally sound then the 30 to 45 questions students tend to do now.

I'm also going to need a citation for this as well. It definitely reads like a scare-the-teahadists email propaganda. We might do _one_ 'explain your reasoning' question in a question set, but certainly never 30-45.


The 30 to 45 they do now isn't the explain type, as the new standards are not adopted yet.

That was in reference to the normal homework math teachers have been giving for 50 plus years. And my belief that with the new standards teachers would reduce the number of homework problems because of the longer time it would take to complete the problems assigned with the new standards
 
2014-03-20 05:17:34 PM  

MooseUpNorth: shtychkn: Like I said. [...] "would be more educationally sound then the 30 to 45 questions students tend to do now."

shtychkn: [...] cause I'm not making a claim as to how many they will need to do.

The bolded bit might need clarification or retraction, don't you think?


See previous post.

30 to 45 was about how homework is given now and Historically, not a prediction of the new system.
 
2014-03-20 08:48:22 PM  

Cold_Sassy: Fark off, weener.


And he's a moderator. That's unseemly behavior for a mod, doncha think?
 
2014-03-20 10:33:33 PM  

shtychkn: Ruiizu: I still grade everything in red ink when I can. It is visible, and it is obvious what it typically means.

/most of my "red ink" was the A at the top of the page
//public school is way, way too easy

Set the bat for an A higher?

I'm guessing you taught elementary or middle school?


I meant on my own papers, not the graded ones. Was being elitist/arrogant, playing out how easy I felt school was.

Trying to have a moment of "yes, I remember school being a breeze because I was awesome" moment, gosh.

/I've been to all 3 levels of school as a teacher though
 
2014-03-21 01:25:59 AM  
How come they don't any frowny face stickers?
 
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