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(Some Guy)   Remember those G.W. predictions about record number of massive tornadoes? Reality checks in with the U.S. in its third straight year of Record Low Tornado Activity   (stevengoddard.wordpress.com) divider line 98
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2014-03-20 12:16:04 AM
And the record of unsuccessful prognostication continues unbroken.
 
2014-03-20 07:12:15 AM
What does George Washington have to do with any of this?
 
2014-03-20 07:17:08 AM
Since this thread won't be do anything but rehash the same arguments and change exactly no one's mind on the topic, here is a picture of a hot redhead, just to help every chill the fark out and maybe derail the stupidity right from the start:

thechive.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-03-20 07:21:19 AM
The prediction I heard from conservatives like Susanne Atanus is that God was going to punish us for homosexuality and abortion with tornadoes. Obviously, this is a sign that God approves of gay marriage and abortion.
 
2014-03-20 07:27:25 AM
What are you on about, subby?  have you been into the cooking wine again?
 
2014-03-20 07:57:06 AM
It's Global Climate Change, part of which is Global Warming.

As the climate changes, we'll see fluctuating levels of weather events, both in frequency and intensity. The number of events will go up and down. And the intensity of events will increase and decrease.

A slow patch of tornados is what you'd expect as the climate changes.

Study it out, subby.
 
2014-03-20 08:01:41 AM

www.globalmed.com



Moore Okla says that one is more than enough.

 
2014-03-20 08:02:13 AM

snocone: And the record of unsuccessful prognostication continues unbroken.


well it also predicted extreme weather events like very cold weather and lots of snow.

also we've had 2 seasons of low activity. that's not enough to make a determination.
look at the last 30 years. there a steady incline.
 
2014-03-20 08:02:29 AM
Tornadoes are low-frequency events stemming from activity related to turbulent compressible flow (want to give a scientist an instant migrane?  just walk up to one and say "turbulent compressible flow" and you'll get instant undergrad-PTSD flashbacks).

So anyone that claimed they could predict the trend from year to year is farking stupid, and anyone claiming this lull has much of anything to do with overall climate modeling is also farking stupid.

Looooot of stupid going around on this story before the thread even started.

// In fairness, the scientist involved was probably making an intentionally speculative what-if comment with all the appropriate caveats about end-factors and model limitations, and it just got filtered out by journalist stupid.
 
2014-03-20 08:07:42 AM
Making a prediction as to the accuracy of a predicted trend based on one data point (i.e. 2013 data) is stupid.

Let's look at the other years:

www.holborn.com

thecelestialconvergence.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-03-20 08:08:33 AM
Meanwhile, in Canada...

also USA ≠ Global
 
2014-03-20 08:11:46 AM
The CO2 is winning.
 
2014-03-20 08:11:55 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: It's Global Climate Change, part of which is Global Warming.

As the climate changes, we'll see fluctuating levels of weather events, both in frequency and intensity. The number of events will go up and down. And the intensity of events will increase and decrease.

A slow patch of tornados is what you'd expect as the climate changes.

Study it out, subby.


It is generally considered poor form to generate your entire hypothesis post-hoc based on the observed data.
 
2014-03-20 08:12:25 AM
quality over quantity i guess
 
2014-03-20 08:15:37 AM

sno man: Meanwhile, in Canada...

also USA ≠ Global


yeah the globe isn't just the northwestern quad.
 
2014-03-20 08:20:25 AM
Gentlemen... The data is clear. To prevent tornadoes, we need to increase CO2 production.

Another triumph for science!

/(unfortunately.... this needs to be said: I am kidding.)
 
2014-03-20 08:23:20 AM

twistedmetal: [www.globalmed.com image 850x636]

Moore Okla says that one is more than enough.


Not to mention the massive Illinois/Indiana tornado outbreak in farking NOVEMBER, ferchrissake.
 
2014-03-20 08:27:39 AM
Also, evolution is false because monkeys aren't spontaneously changing into humans, Obamacare is a failure because its purported benefits weren't immediately apparent on the very first day, and my oven is broken because it wasn't immediately 350 degrees inside the second I pressed Power.

The fact that there are many things that cannot be proven or disproven with a single data point is something that some people will never seem to grasp.

Get back to us when your data covers a comparable timeframe to the data you're trying to disprove.
 
2014-03-20 08:30:18 AM
Weather does not equal climate. But what do I know, I just studied climate for four years.
 
2014-03-20 08:30:22 AM
It'll be back ... it always comes back.
 
2014-03-20 08:30:30 AM
We need to accelerate climate change so that we can move tornado alley to Africa.
 
2014-03-20 08:32:08 AM
Insert anigif of Algore with turds dropping out his mouth here.
 
2014-03-20 08:32:31 AM

Bunny Deville: Weather does not equal climate. But what do I know, I just studied climate for four years.


Four years of studying the climate isn't enough to establish a trend! We can't know your real experience on the topic until it goes back a few iceball Earth cycles.
 
2014-03-20 08:34:30 AM
Climate change, man made or not, is a fact of life on Earth. Cutting CO2 or buying indulgences from the Pope, er, I mean carbon credits from Al Gore, isn't going to change that. And no, the science is not settled. Even if we accept that we are currently undergoing a period of anthropomorphic climate change, the exact causes and effects are move varied and complicated than "SUV bad, Prius good". Our use of ground water reserves, deforestation, urban and sub-urban development and a host of other man made and natural factors influence the environment and weather beyond carbon.

We cannot hope to stop global climate change, even if we truly had a global consensus and will to try (we don't and it's far from just the USA that's resistant). What we can hope to do is better understand what's coming and prepare for it.

Or not.
 
2014-03-20 08:34:47 AM

Bunny Deville: Weather does not equal climate. But what do I know, I just studied climate for four years.


Four years is not enough time to know anything!

/Get it ... never mind
 
2014-03-20 08:35:27 AM

Feepit: Bunny Deville: Weather does not equal climate. But what do I know, I just studied climate for four years.

Four years of studying the climate isn't enough to establish a trend! We can't know your real experience on the topic until it goes back a few iceball Earth cycles.


Now I don't feel so bad. Although, yours was more elaborate.
 
2014-03-20 08:39:12 AM

GameSprocket: Now I don't feel so bad. Although, yours was more elaborate.


Now we only need wait for a zealot on either side to take our comments seriously!

/popcorn
 
2014-03-20 08:44:34 AM
blogs.vso.org.uk
 
2014-03-20 08:48:54 AM

p89tech: We cannot hope to stop global climate change


So do nothing! DO NOTHING!!!

/the cry of the denier!
 
2014-03-20 08:50:13 AM
Commonly referred to as RLTA
 
2014-03-20 08:52:32 AM
whatifitsallabighoaxandwecreateabetterworldfornothing.jpg
 
2014-03-20 08:53:09 AM
Damn, that filter is sensitive
 
2014-03-20 08:53:21 AM
Because if there is no global warming, it magically becomes intelligent for a species that builds thinking machines and traveled to the Moon to make their energy by digging shiat up and burning it, like cavemen.
 
2014-03-20 08:56:52 AM

AverageAmericanGuy [TotalFark]
2014-03-20 07:57:06 AM


It's Global Climate Change, part of which is Global Warming.

As the climate changes, we'll see fluctuating levels of weather events, both in frequency and intensity. The number of events will go up and down.

ah ah ah, that wasn't the prediction the church of global warming gave, any more than doomsday cults claim that "some day" the world will end. The specific prediction was that the U.S. would in the next year or two be ravaged by massive and more frequent tornadoes. You can't go back in time and change those claims now.
 
2014-03-20 09:03:35 AM
Hobodeluxe [TotalFark]
2014-03-20 08:02:13 AM

snocone: And the record of unsuccessful prognostication continues unbroken.

well it also predicted extreme weather events like very cold weather and lots of snow.

Welll yes and no
Yes the church of global warming predicted extreme weather, specificly massive tornadoes.

No, they didn't predict "lots of snow" they specifically claimed...
"Snow is a thing of the past,"
--Marc Morano of Climate Depot, quoting research scientist David Viner

"Children just aren't going to know what snow is,"
-- David Viner

Michael Oppenheimer of Princeton University, a UN scientist, once said he bought his daughter a sled but she wouldn't get to use it "because there is no more snow."

"Facts are stubborn things"
--John Adam

And that's the problem the church runs into. You have to deal with the claims your cardinals and bishops have made... or lie about them.
 
2014-03-20 09:07:41 AM

Hobodeluxe: snocone: And the record of unsuccessful prognostication continues unbroken.

well it also predicted extreme weather events like very cold weather and lots of snow.

also we've had 2 seasons of low activity. that's not enough to make a determination.
look at the last 30 years. there a steady incline.


Have there been more tornados or have we improved our technology for spotting and cataloging tornados?
 
2014-03-20 09:09:28 AM
Jim_Callahan

So anyone that claimed they could predict the trend from year to year is farking stupid, and anyone claiming this lull has much of anything to do with overall climate modeling is also farking stupid.
An interesting point, but single events (Katrina for example) are oft sited by the church as proof of global warming.

So on one hand 3 years of far fewer storms != any trend or proof.
Yet on the other hand a single one off example = An Inconvenient Truth.
Record snowfall and concession that glaciers claimed to be retreating have lost 0 ice = weather not climate
One record hot day in B.F.E = proof positive global warming is "cooking the planet".

Like all organized religions the church tries to have it both ways.
 
2014-03-20 09:09:37 AM
America, where the value of the opinions of experts in a field is inversely related to the amount of training and intelligence a career requires.

Scientist? Infectious disease doc? Stfu!
Televangelist? Professional homophobe? Fox news anchor? Your word is golden!

What a bunch of insecure jackasses.
 
2014-03-20 09:18:55 AM

quo vadimus: America, where the value of the opinions of experts in a field is inversely related to the amount of training and intelligence a career requires.

Scientist? Infectious disease doc? Stfu!
Televangelist? Professional homophobe? Fox news anchor? Your word is golden!

What a bunch of insecure jackasses.


The land of Dunning-Kruger. "Scientists are all liars and cheats ... let's all listen to my gut!!!"
 
2014-03-20 09:22:27 AM

OnlyM3: Yes the church of global warming predicted extreme weather, specificly massive tornadoes.


Why is it that the same people who tend to look to religion as the superior source of knowledge are the ones who are quick to label any opposing view as being a "religion" as a means to discredit it?

Is it some attempt to convince yourself that your opponents are working with the exact same level of unfounded, wishful-thinking BS as you are, and therefore you can claim your sides to have equal merit?
 
2014-03-20 09:26:27 AM

Jim_Callahan: (want to give a scientist an instant migrane?  just walk up to one and say "turbulent compressible flow" and you'll get instant undergrad-PTSD flashbacks).


Dammit. And I have a meeting with my old Fluid Mechanics professor today as well.
 
2014-03-20 09:27:08 AM
Remember those G.W. predictions about record number of massive tornadoes?

No, I don't. I remember there being a great deal of uncertainty about the future of tornadogenesis in a warming world due to the competing effects of changes in CAPE and wind shear, failmitter.
 
2014-03-20 09:28:54 AM

Fast Moon: OnlyM3: Yes the church of global warming predicted extreme weather, specificly massive tornadoes.

Why is it that the same people who tend to look to religion as the superior source of knowledge are the ones who are quick to label any opposing view as being a "religion" as a means to discredit it?

Is it some attempt to convince yourself that your opponents are working with the exact same level of unfounded, wishful-thinking BS as you are, and therefore you can claim your sides to have equal merit?


I've wondered this myself.

If we extend this line of thinking I believe it goes like this:

- get your medical advice from a doctor = Religion!
- get automotive advice from an auto mechanic = Religion!
- get culinary advice from a chef = Religion!
- get your science from the leading scientists working in that field = Religion!
 
2014-03-20 09:29:31 AM

OnlyM3: AverageAmericanGuy [TotalFark]
2014-03-20 07:57:06 AM


It's Global Climate Change, part of which is Global Warming.

As the climate changes, we'll see fluctuating levels of weather events, both in frequency and intensity. The number of events will go up and down.
ah ah ah, that wasn't the prediction the church of global warming gave, any more than doomsday cults claim that "some day" the world will end. The specific prediction was that the U.S. would in the next year or two be ravaged by massive and more frequent tornadoes. You can't go back in time and change those claims now.


How does it feel to not be able to distinguish between user comment posts on a random blog and scientific journals?  I'm just curious.
 
2014-03-20 09:45:13 AM
Is there like an entire community of idiots posting as pro-GW just to make asinine predictions to discredit GW a few years down the road, or do we blame the hippies for this one?

I really don't care.  Just because stupidity is less discriminate than evil doesn't make it any less damaging.
 
2014-03-20 09:53:06 AM

quo vadimus: America, where the value of the opinions of experts in a field is inversely related to the amount of training and intelligence a career requires.

Scientist? Infectious disease doc? Stfu!
Televangelist? Professional homophobe? Fox news anchor? Your word is golden!

What a bunch of insecure jackasses.


Yes - because it isn't like that in any other country in the world.
(except all of them)
((and I'm from the EU))
 
2014-03-20 09:54:49 AM

dragonchild: Is there like an entire community of idiots posting as pro-GW just to make asinine predictions to discredit GW a few years down the road, or do we blame the hippies for this one?

I really don't care.  Just because stupidity is less discriminate than evil doesn't make it any less damaging.


Everything is happening more because television and internet tell us so. That is why, in the past two weeks, seventeen different Malaysian flights have gone missing, nine out of ten female teachers are having sexual contact with your children, and police officers can only ejaculate when beating a helpless -- likely in diabetic shock, too old to move, too young to understand, or too furry to be human -- person to death.
 
2014-03-20 10:01:48 AM

Feepit: Everything is happening more because television and internet tell us so. That is why, in the past two weeks, seventeen different Malaysian flights have gone missing, nine out of ten female teachers are having sexual contact with your children, and police officers can only ejaculate when beating a helpless -- likely in diabetic shock, too old to move, too young to understand, or too furry to be human -- person to death.


Yep.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_world_syndrome
 
2014-03-20 10:03:13 AM

Feepit: Everything is happening more because television and internet tell us so. That is why, in the past two weeks, seventeen different Malaysian flights have gone missing, nine out of ten female teachers are having sexual contact with your children, and police officers can only ejaculate when beating a helpless -- likely in diabetic shock, too old to move, too young to understand, or too furry to be human -- person to death.


It's a combination of it being easier to find information, easier to disseminate false information, harder to tell the two apart, and easier to find circle-jerk communities to validate whatever delusion you happen to subscribe to.
 
2014-03-20 10:11:29 AM
Has nothing to do with global warming and everything to do with frustrating tornado chasers. It's the same phenomenon as thwarted you from finding that one particular shape and color lego.
 
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