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2014-03-20 12:06:33 AM  
What's so scary about an hand grenade? Don't pull the pin out and you'll be fine.

Hand it here, I'll show you what I mean.
 
2014-03-20 12:15:18 AM  
Her husband sure had balls
 
2014-03-20 12:16:59 AM  
CSB

I was stationed in Germany from 2003-2005. I was in Wiesbaden. One day when I was in the barracks someone came around screaming "Evacuate the building". Turns out they found some unexploded WWII ordinance. They still are finding that crap 70 years after the fact.
 
2014-03-20 01:11:44 AM  
would a ww2 grenade even go off? it can't have any power left in it after all that time...
 
2014-03-20 02:07:44 AM  

some_beer_drinker: would a ww2 grenade even go off? it can't have any power left in it after all that time...


Yes. And the National Guard EOD teams still make a dozen or so responses in most states each year because someone finds a live arty shell or grenade from WWII.
 
2014-03-20 02:10:50 AM  

some_beer_drinker: would a ww2 grenade even go off? it can't have any power left in it after all that time...


As a follow-up, this is the Mark II Grenade, as used in WWII.

www.nusafm.org

There is nothing electrical about it. It's a mechanically actuated bomb with a five second fuze.

www.fas.org

MK3s were the same way.
 
2014-03-20 04:36:56 AM  
This all because she wouldn't let him go out fishing with his buddies often enough. He brought home 24 of them.
 
2014-03-20 04:40:28 AM  
What an idiot. Those would have sold for decent money.
 
2014-03-20 04:41:17 AM  
All my gramps brought home from WWII was a dufflebag of gold.

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//also some awesome nazi hats/helmets
 
2014-03-20 04:47:25 AM  
The grenades were estimated to be about 40 years old.
Did I live through WWII, and miss it?
 
2014-03-20 04:53:34 AM  
Oh boys and their toys...


//Good thing grandma found them and not the grandkids playing in the attic...
//Sure grandpa left behind lots of memories...
 
2014-03-20 04:55:19 AM  
I was expecting the "scary" part to be "It voz ze kamp kommandants uniform!"
 
2014-03-20 04:56:01 AM  
Scary is the right word. This happened yesterday near my place of birth.
 
2014-03-20 04:56:16 AM  

The One True TheDavid: What's so scary about an hand grenade? Don't pull the pin out and you'll be fine.

Hand it here, I'll show you what I mean.


I was sort of thinking the same thing - except for handing the grenade to you.  For some reason, I don't trust you around me with a live grenade.
 
2014-03-20 05:29:46 AM  
Makes sense.  Ze Germans are tricky and might have just been lying doggo all these years.
 
2014-03-20 05:30:12 AM  

cman: CSB

I was stationed in Germany from 2003-2005. I was in Wiesbaden. One day when I was in the barracks someone came around screaming "Evacuate the building". Turns out they found some unexploded WWII ordinance. They still are finding that crap 70 years after the fact.


Farmers in the East of France still uncover unexploded ordinances from WWI in their fields. And on January, high tides brought back to the surface an unexploded 250-pound shell from D-DAY on Oleran Island.
 
2014-03-20 05:31:07 AM  
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2014-03-20 05:36:23 AM  

cman: CSB

I was stationed in Germany from 2003-2005. I was in Wiesbaden. One day when I was in the barracks someone came around screaming "Evacuate the building". Turns out they found some unexploded WWII ordinance. They still are finding that crap 70 years after the fact.


Just yesterday some poor saps got blown to bits by some WW I ordnance, according to the blats.

/ Particular danger for Belgian farmers plowing. 'Clink', POW.
// I'm curious as to why they were considered 'unstable' (according to the news piece). Old explosives degrade?
 
2014-03-20 05:48:34 AM  
Belgian farmers can suck my big fat one.
 
2014-03-20 05:57:19 AM  

SpeedyBB: // I'm curious as to why they were considered 'unstable' (according to the news piece). Old explosives degrade?


I've heard they degrade, but I am by no means knowledgeable on the subject.  How would they degrade?  If anything I would think moisture and possibly other things would make them weaker, but stored carefully, I don't see how that would happen.

I wonder the same thing about drugs.  Is that expiration date on the label meaningful for anyone except the pharmaceutical company who expects you to buy a new bottle if you don't use them all up before that date?

Any explosives experts out there?
 
2014-03-20 06:02:10 AM  
All my grandpa brought home was a pregnant Polish chick. Love ya grandma
 
2014-03-20 06:08:55 AM  
My dad brought home malaria from WW2.
 
2014-03-20 06:09:23 AM  

mudmin: All my grandpa brought home was a pregnant Polish chick. Love ya grandma


Worst war souvenir ever.
 
2014-03-20 06:12:50 AM  

gfid: SpeedyBB: // I'm curious as to why they were considered 'unstable' (according to the news piece). Old explosives degrade?

I've heard they degrade, but I am by no means knowledgeable on the subject.  How would they degrade?  If anything I would think moisture and possibly other things would make them weaker, but stored carefully, I don't see how that would happen.

I wonder the same thing about drugs.  Is that expiration date on the label meaningful for anyone except the pharmaceutical company who expects you to buy a new bottle if you don't use them all up before that date?

Any explosives experts out there?


I mentioned that because I do recall reading that nitroglycerin in particular gets extremely sensitive to shock (and unstable) as it ages. Just the slightest tap and BLOOEY.
 
2014-03-20 06:19:52 AM  
Hong Kong's unexploded 2,000 pound American AN-M66 bomb which required 2,260 people to be evacuated  from a densely-populated area laughs at your puny grenades.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/hongkong/10623454/Pol ic e-dismantle-World-War-II-bomb-found-in-Hong-Kong.html

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2014-03-20 06:27:10 AM  

SpeedyBB: cman: CSB

I was stationed in Germany from 2003-2005. I was in Wiesbaden. One day when I was in the barracks someone came around screaming "Evacuate the building". Turns out they found some unexploded WWII ordinance. They still are finding that crap 70 years after the fact.

Just yesterday some poor saps got blown to bits by some WW I ordnance, according to the blats.

/ Particular danger for Belgian farmers plowing. 'Clink', POW.
// I'm curious as to why they were considered 'unstable' (according to the news piece). Old explosives degrade?


A century later, the Iron Harvest is still a thing.
 
2014-03-20 06:32:21 AM  

SpeedyBB: gfid: SpeedyBB: // I'm curious as to why they were considered 'unstable' (according to the news piece). Old explosives degrade?

I've heard they degrade, but I am by no means knowledgeable on the subject.  How would they degrade?  If anything I would think moisture and possibly other things would make them weaker, but stored carefully, I don't see how that would happen.

I wonder the same thing about drugs.  Is that expiration date on the label meaningful for anyone except the pharmaceutical company who expects you to buy a new bottle if you don't use them all up before that date?

Any explosives experts out there?

I mentioned that because I do recall reading that nitroglycerin in particular gets extremely sensitive to shock (and unstable) as it ages. Just the slightest tap and BLOOEY.


Nitroglycerin itself is extremely sensitive to shock.  What you recall is probably the fact that dynamite will "sweat" nitroglycerin as it ages.  So if you have a box of old sweaty dynamite, those drops can touch off the rest of the box.  That's a big reason why straight dynamite isn't used much anymore.
 
2014-03-20 06:35:34 AM  

gfid: I wonder the same thing about drugs.  Is that expiration date on the label meaningful for anyone except the pharmaceutical company who expects you to buy a new bottle if you don't use them all up before that date?


Yes. Some drugs are quite complex molecules and they will react with moisture in the air, or degrade with light exposure, or just degrade over time. Usually what they'll degrade to is inactive, so your drugs may lose potency over time.  Keeping them in a cool, dark place will help.

No idea on the explosives.


The stuff people have squirrelled away is interesting though. The British cops in Devon and Cornwall (real countryside counties) held an amnesty on illegal weapons a few years back. They got more handguns than they were expecting and a few more scary full-auto assault rifles. But the crowning jewel of the haul was a tankbuster rocket someone had had in their attic and had (evidently) just been waiting for a way to get rid of it without getting into trouble..
 
2014-03-20 06:45:11 AM  

Gothnet: Yes. Some drugs are quite complex molecules and they will react with moisture in the air, or degrade with light exposure, or just degrade over time. Usually what they'll degrade to is inactive, so your drugs may lose potency over time.  Keeping them in a cool, dark place will help.


Damn, and I was hoping my Tylenol would degrade into heroin.

Thing is, most people do keep their pills in cool dark places, so I'm not sure what the big deal is.  I've taken some pills after their expiration dates.  They still seemed to work.
 
2014-03-20 06:47:48 AM  
Stupid ex-soldier is stupid.
 
2014-03-20 06:58:26 AM  

monty666: mudmin: All my grandpa brought home was a pregnant Polish chick. Love ya grandma

Worst war souvenir ever.


Hey Monty, long time since I've tf'ed. How ya feeling? Also, I laughed.
 
2014-03-20 07:01:40 AM  
well if he was stationed in Japan I might not be packing like I am now
 
2014-03-20 07:04:31 AM  

gfid: Gothnet: Yes. Some drugs are quite complex molecules and they will react with moisture in the air, or degrade with light exposure, or just degrade over time. Usually what they'll degrade to is inactive, so your drugs may lose potency over time.  Keeping them in a cool, dark place will help.

Damn, and I was hoping my Tylenol would degrade into heroin.

Thing is, most people do keep their pills in cool dark places, so I'm not sure what the big deal is.  I've taken some pills after their expiration dates.  They still seemed to work.


Generally, they will work. If a company's specs are 95%-105% of the active ingredient, they'll generally aim for 105 and the expiration will be when (under a certain set of conditions) they expect it to hit 95%. Taking Motrin a month after its expression is no big deal. Taking your insulin two years after its expiration might be less wise.

/tl;dr The expiration dates tend to be reasonable. Don't be stupid.
 
2014-03-20 07:09:07 AM  

hardinparamedic: some_beer_drinker: would a ww2 grenade even go off? it can't have any power left in it after all that time...

Yes. And the National Guard EOD teams still make a dozen or so responses in most states each year because someone finds a live arty shell or grenade from WWII.


For bonus points, some of the older explosives use primers based on substances that become  more volatile over long periods.  Not really an issue when handing them to a soldier who would at worst turn them back in for disposal a year or two later, but after half a century some igniters can go from "totally safe if you don't pull the starter" to "don't even breathe in the direction of the bomb if you can help it".

The absolute worst is the now-obsolete mining explosive dynamite, where the nitroglycerine would weep and recrystallize outside of its substrate, going from something you could juggle without worry to something shock-sensitive enough that putting older sticks in a wagon was an incredibly bad idea.

Nitro was used in a lot of military applications all the way up to the Korean war, iirc.  Probably not grenades, but the overall acceptable safety level on design was pretty widespread.
 
2014-03-20 07:14:53 AM  
If you're interested in such things go to youtube and put in metal detecting europe wwII.  Finding mines, grenades, rifles, bombs, tanks,
 
2014-03-20 07:19:49 AM  

Ooba Tooba: monty666: mudmin: All my grandpa brought home was a pregnant Polish chick. Love ya grandma

Worst war souvenir ever.

Hey Monty, long time since I've tf'ed. How ya feeling? Also, I laughed.


Not bad, man, all things considered.

Good to see you again too bro.
 
2014-03-20 07:22:08 AM  
To be fair, a hand grenade is always a good thing to carry in this dimension.
/obscure?
 
2014-03-20 07:27:54 AM  
Have to take these stories with a grain of salt sometimes. There was recently a story in the news where an EOD team in Georgia blew up a "live" cannon ball from the Civil War. Problem was, it was clearly the broken off, solid iron, ball end of a steam engine counter-weight.  But it got the local EOD in the news and another "successful detonation" check in the box for future funding requests, so it wasn't all stupidity.
 
2014-03-20 07:28:40 AM  

hardinparamedic: There is nothing electrical about it. It's a mechanically actuated bomb with ABOUT a five second fuze.



Fixed. You have to be careful, because you might get suprised.

CSB:

Old neighbor was a ex (former?) Marine, and apparently left a smoke grenade (regular smoke, not WP) in his garage when he moved. I come home one day and the new neighbor is standing in the street with a bunch of cops. I ask what is going on, and the cop says they found a grenade (which is now sitting in the driveway) and they are waiting for EOD. I say "You guys know that's just read smoke, right?" One of the cops looks at me like I'm crazy and aks how I know. "Uh...because it's cylindrical, not round, it's got a red top, and it says smoke on the side. Also I'm in the Army."
The cop goes 'oh.' So I ask "can I have it?" Cop looks at me even crazier. "What??" 'Since it's not an explosive....can I have it?' Cop says "No!" like I asked a really stupid question or something. Then he gets on the radio for a minute, comes back, tosses the grenade in the trunk and they all leave.
 
2014-03-20 07:39:10 AM  

MythDragon: Cop says "No!" like I asked a really stupid question or something.


Well, you kind of did.

I mean, I didn't read the part where you presented your current credentials as an expert and had the department call out to verify them, so I'm not really sure why you were expecting them to hand some random passer-by ordinance, nonlethal or otherwise, just on the grounds that you sounded legit.
 
2014-03-20 07:44:22 AM  

MythDragon: hardinparamedic: There is nothing electrical about it. It's a mechanically actuated bomb with ABOUT a five second fuze.


Fixed. You have to be careful, because you might get suprised.

CSB:

Old neighbor was a ex (former?) Marine, and apparently left a smoke grenade (regular smoke, not WP) in his garage when he moved. I come home one day and the new neighbor is standing in the street with a bunch of cops. I ask what is going on, and the cop says they found a grenade (which is now sitting in the driveway) and they are waiting for EOD. I say "You guys know that's just read smoke, right?" One of the cops looks at me like I'm crazy and aks how I know. "Uh...because it's cylindrical, not round, it's got a red top, and it says smoke on the side. Also I'm in the Army."
The cop goes 'oh.' So I ask "can I have it?" Cop looks at me even crazier. "What??" 'Since it's not an explosive....can I have it?' Cop says "No!" like I asked a really stupid question or something. Then he gets on the radio for a minute, comes back, tosses the grenade in the trunk and they all leave.


I got treated the same way the last time I saw King Crimson.  I had to step outside for a cigarette and about the same time someone who worked there was removing the poster for the show from in front of the theater.  Before I could even ask for it she shot me down.  "Hell no, you can't have this poster."  Jesus farking Christ on a stick lady.  It's not like I asked if I could suck Robert Fripp's dick.

I really don't understand why I couldn't have the poster.  The biatch who told me I couldn't have it didn't really seem like much of a fan.  I think she just wanted to deny me.  10-1 odds it went straight into the trash.
 
2014-03-20 07:46:13 AM  

padraig: cman: CSB

I was stationed in Germany from 2003-2005. I was in Wiesbaden. One day when I was in the barracks someone came around screaming "Evacuate the building". Turns out they found some unexploded WWII ordinance. They still are finding that crap 70 years after the fact.

Farmers in the East of France still uncover unexploded ordinances from WWI in their fields. And on January, high tides brought back to the surface an unexploded 250-pound shell from D-DAY on Oleran Island.


I saw a documentary about bomb squads in Europe and they said they will have enough work from both wars to keep them busy for 1000 years. I have a "doorstop" made from a moter shell. Dad was in ordinance and he said its safe but not to drop it dunno if he was farking with me or not.........thanks dad.
 
2014-03-20 07:54:29 AM  

groppet: padraig: cman: CSB

I was stationed in Germany from 2003-2005. I was in Wiesbaden. One day when I was in the barracks someone came around screaming "Evacuate the building". Turns out they found some unexploded WWII ordinance. They still are finding that crap 70 years after the fact.

Farmers in the East of France still uncover unexploded ordinances from WWI in their fields. And on January, high tides brought back to the surface an unexploded 250-pound shell from D-DAY on Oleran Island.

I saw a documentary about bomb squads in Europe and they said they will have enough work from both wars to keep them busy for 1000 years.


Seems like self-serving bullshiat to me.

 I have a "doorstop" made from a moter shell. Dad was in ordinance and he said its safe but not to drop it dunno if he was farking with me or not.........thanks dad.

Yeah, lots of things are safe as long as you don't drop them.  The chances of it blowing up even with any impact it's likely to get are probably pretty small, but are you sure you want that in your home?

Donate it to the Salvation Army.  I hear they need to re-arm themselves anyway.
 
2014-03-20 08:11:51 AM  

Slaxl: I was expecting the "scary" part to be "It voz ze kamp kommandants uniform!"


Likewise.
 
2014-03-20 08:17:26 AM  

batlock666: Scary is the right word. This happened yesterday near my place of birth.


You were born in a leper colony?
 
2014-03-20 08:20:14 AM  
Would've kept the four grenades for shiatty neighbors.  Bottle rockets for squirrels.
 
2014-03-20 08:31:24 AM  

Jim_Callahan: MythDragon: Cop says "No!" like I asked a really stupid question or something.

Well, you kind of did.

I mean, I didn't read the part where you presented your current credentials as an expert and had the department call out to verify them, so I'm not really sure why you were expecting them to hand some random passer-by ordinance, nonlethal or otherwise, just on the grounds that you sounded legit.


Well it *was* pretty obvious it was a smoke grenade being that it said 'smoke' right on the side. I asked the cop if they were legal to have, and he didn't know. Besides, people have gotten away with a lot worse stuff by just sounding legit. Like Frank Abagnale  getting cockpit access or that sign language guy at Mandela's memorial. All I wanted was a smoke grenade. Is that really too much to ask for? The cop just wanted it for himself. You know they took it back to the station and played with it.
 
2014-03-20 08:40:51 AM  
Shortly after the end of the Viet Nam war there was a report (how valid, I do not know) that a warehouse bunker in Guam had gone "live" with mines that were in plastic bags which were designed to be self-arming after being aerially dropped in the jungles.  No one figured out what to do with the things as the idea of them not being used hadn't come up in anyone's mind at the time.  They may still be there as no one had a clue how to dispose of a bunker full of live ordnance that exploded with a slight bit of applied pressure.

Reminds me of the story about the OSS in WW2 developing a self arming grenade that armed itself after being thrown 15 feet.  On the way out to test it and show it off to the press, a sgt. was throwing it up in the air like a baseball and catching it to show how safe it was...you guessed it...one throw was a bit over 15 feet straight up...he caught it on the way down and...boom!  The project was dropped after that.
 
2014-03-20 08:42:51 AM  
What's the problem? It's not like TNT sweats as it ages becoming less stable over time.
 
2014-03-20 08:46:27 AM  

MythDragon: Jim_Callahan: MythDragon: Cop says "No!" like I asked a really stupid question or something.

Well, you kind of did.

I mean, I didn't read the part where you presented your current credentials as an expert and had the department call out to verify them, so I'm not really sure why you were expecting them to hand some random passer-by ordinance, nonlethal or otherwise, just on the grounds that you sounded legit.

Well it *was* pretty obvious it was a smoke grenade being that it said 'smoke' right on the side. I asked the cop if they were legal to have, and he didn't know. Besides, people have gotten away with a lot worse stuff by just sounding legit. Like Frank Abagnale  getting cockpit access or that sign language guy at Mandela's memorial. All I wanted was a smoke grenade. Is that really too much to ask for? The cop just wanted it for himself. You know they took it back to the station and played with it.


I don't think Mr. Sign Language Guy sounded legit on any level.  It was truly a failure on both the part of the South African government and the US Secret Service.

I really wouldn't expect a cop to give me anything that a neighbor had called about because he thought it was dangerous though...I'm sure you could have had a whole 45 seconds of fun with that smoke grenade.

I'm no expert, but they probably are legal to own - I'm just guessing.  I just don't see much demand for them.  Maybe you could use smoke grenades instead of throwing rice at weddings.
 
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